Add to the list! What else can Protestants accept? And yes, yes, you as a Catholic think they should accept it all, but what I'm asking is what should they have no trouble accepting. There are many things that needlessly divide Protestants and Catholics. I offered 7 such things in the vid above. Would love your take!
Your purgatory talk you can also justify or proof with scripture that there is purgatory is Matthew 5:25,"Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny." And you know they are not talking about hell because it says you WILL get out. And we k ow that in Hell you do not come out of there
Purgatory as "final sanctification". Unless they believe that you keep on sinning in heaven and Jesus just covers your sin (would anyone really defend that), then they have to believe that you will no longer sin in heaven. And yet they believe (rightly in almost all cases) that you are a sinner right up to the moment of death. So what happens? Final Sanctification. Which is final purification. Which apparently God provides as one last favor ( you certainly don't purify yourself). Thus they should accept this basic element of the doctrine if not a few other elements (and there are very few to which we are obligated). And as for one of those other elements - the pain (however it is understood)- is it really hard to believe this sort of "healing" might not involve something "painful". Natural analogy #1 - Parent about to put some medicine on a wound of their child: "now this is going to hurt a little". #2 - For those who have had serious massage - as the professional massage therapists say - this is "good pain". It hurts but you feel much better afterwards.
I think adopting the Divine Office, the official prayer of the Church, is perfect, and some denominations like the Anglicans may even have a greater devotion than Catholics on the average do. 📖🙏🏼
CS Lewis said that you have to get to know your own tradition before you can get to know other ones. Because you need a reference point from which to understand things. I think a lot of Protestants are fairly clueless as to their own traditions. So it doesn’t really help to mix and match traditions into a Frankenstein church with no real understanding as to why your church rejected something in the first place. Perhaps it’s better to encourage Protestants to really dig deep into their own theologians and understand why they believe what they do about Catholic practices. If Catholicism is right, then there’s nothing to fear.
Matt, I’m not sure if this is something you do on your channel but I thought I’d ask anyway. As a former Calvinist and one who is looking more into Orthodoxy and Catholicism, I was utterly shocked by the amount of heresies embedded within Calvinist doctrine. These heresies are monothelitism, monoenergism, and nestorianism. What was also equally surprising to me is that some Protestants even accept the sixth ecumenical council despite being at odds with their belief of monergistic salvation. While Calvinism is one theological school which really centralizes monergism, I believe it is present in all Protestant denominations. So....with that being said...it would be very interesting and helpful if you went through the councils with Cameron and your audience. These are all things every Christian should believe, but as you get further into the council you quickly discover that Protestantism does not withstand these orthodox councils. You have done this before when you stated that Protestants should be able to call Mary “Theotokos,” yet many respond with Nestorian ideas of Christ’s two natures. The councils are essential to the faith and are the best evidence to show that the church cannot be the church with only sola scriptura.
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Actually I learned that Puritans/Methodists and Baptists in the USA originally refused to celebrate Christmas or even say the name of the holiday. When the Baptist Convention encouraged the use of the word Christmas in 2008, it would have shocked the earliest Protestants in the USA who decried the holiday and its ornaments before the Civil War.
My thought on a Catholic going to a Protestant church is like trying to eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without the bread. Pun intended 😉 I love my Protestant friends!
Thanks for the comment. When I was deep in prayer and scripture discerning if the Catholic church was true, that was an epiphany that struck me like a lightning bolt!
So he was a fully-functional transexual parthenogene, contrasting with Eve, who was a fully-functional transexual clone of Adam. Jesus fucked his mother spiritually, and Adam fucked his brother physically. The New Testament thus fulfills the promise of The Old.
I posted this on Cameron's version, but as a High Church Anglican I approve of these! I'm still wrestling with the idea of Purgatory as well, but "The Great Divorce" has really opened me up to the idea (or to something similar to it)!
Hey, great question! It's based on premise that "Nothing unclean may enter Heaven" (Rev 21,27). Now we enter Heaven if we have been justified, our sins forgiven. But when you sin, you not only cause the evil of the sin itself, but also habituate your soul to sin. It's like if you steal a bike; the guy may forgive you, but you still have to give back the bike. 1 Cor 3,15 talks about having your works tested and the unworthy fragments burnt or purged away. Our Lord Himself speaks of purgatory as a prison where you have to pay your debt (Matt 5,23-26).
I watch these videos and I see how we should dialogue with Protestants in these videos. You share your faith and not back down from what we believe and are willing to teach it when you can.
Cameron, just wanted to tell you something, the Old English Word for talk is ‘pray,’ so when we pray to Mary and the Saints, we actually talk to them to pray for us. Hope this helped.
I'm totally down with the idea of a new show with the both of you! With the ways things are these days it is nice to see two people calmly argue (which does not automatically mean fight) opposing points of view. This skill is something our world needs a lot more of. And heck....who can't like a guy that wears a Bob Ross shirt? I say you go for it guys!
@@JesusmySalvation Scripture says God saves us through faith (Eph. 2:8) and through Sanctification (2 Thes. 2:13). Salvation is therefore a process according to Scripture, not one-time event and not by faith alone as wrongly taught by Reformers. Sanctification is the work God (1 Thes 5:23, 2 Thes. 2:13) but we are not simply passive but work together with His grace (Rom. 8:28, 1 Cor. 15:10, Phil. 2:12). Thus we do work in our sanctification but our works are grace (through Christ) enabled works because apart from Him we can do nothing (John 15:5).
I would love to see a channel together. I'm a protestant (reformed Presbyterian) and do not want to become catholic, but I'm so broken over the divide in the Church, especially in the ever-increasing division and chaos in the world. We're all at Christ's table. There's a lot of value in the traditions and disciplines of the catholic church that many protestants could benefit from, and I think vice versa. I would love to see two people with different understandings coming together and respecting the other. Would love to see both of you do some reaction vids to Kings Kaleidoscope and discussion of theology. Edit/spelling
As far as Im concerned, death (for the forgiveness of sins), deity (trinitarian monotheism), and resurrection constitutes Christianity but you make yourself vulnerable when you attach falsehoods to those 3 core truths just as the Catholic church does
@@crobeastness They mean "the people and not the building". Which is weird because that would mean that Catholics are not part of "the church" as they define it. I was taught in my church (evangelical assemblies of God) that "Catholics don't know who Jesus is. They have a dead Jesus on their cross. That's why they pray to Mary because to them, Jesus is dead". I kidd you not. I was actually taught this by my Sunday school teacher.
I think it would be great if you would do a “7 things Protestants do that Catholics can accept” video with things you mentioned like Bible Studies and Contemporary music. Also, I like the idea of you guys doing the channel together and believe it would make it more interesting if you got political instead of trying to make it too lighthearted. I liked when you guys talked about Joe Biden. P.S. I like that you explained how when you make the sign of a cross in front of you, your fingers are held in certain positions representing the Trinity and Jesus’ two natures ext... The problem I run into is most Catholics having no idea what the theology behind all the rituals are which often lead to a dead faith. I often ask Catholic co-workers and friends what the meaning is behind making the sign of the cross, doing Hail Marys, or having statues of Saints in their homes, and all I get is blank stares and “I don’t know” or “I just do it because I’m Catholic and that’s what we do.” 🤷🏽♂️
my grandmother would say that, faith.. without works is dead, that thru Christ and we are saved, and thru repentance are sins are washed clean.. being Born Again and declaring our faith in God's word.. we must strive to be like Chirst, in our works.. how we treat others and how to walk out our faith.. in a nutshell, it's like this.. you say that you are saved, and a follower of Christ.. then act like and get your hands dirty..
Thank you Matt and Cameron for these instances you two share a platform together. Honestly it is so VERY NECESSARY for us to see more examples of people who believe differently and yet respect each other enough not to assume the other is stupid, ignorant, less than or just a project of conversion. I really like the way you both give each other room to push back, set the record straight, clear up anything confused or misleading, etc. What a holy and Godly example you two have been here! I'm sure God looked down on this and smiled. It nearly brings tears to my eyes to see true holiness on display.
Here is the thing, I’m not catholic. I’m not close to converting to Catholicism. However I love listening to Catholics, I find it very very interesting and there is much I appreciate.
From early centuries, this signing was taught as a remembrance of a basic Christian truth: God came down from heaven (hand from forehead to chest) as Jesus, to be in our hearts (moving your hand to your heart), who sent out the Holy Spirit (dragging hand from left to right).
Yes. Do it. You guys have a great dialogue together, and it is helpful to here this kind of interfaith dialogue so we can model our own dialogues from it. I would love to see a joint channel with you two.
I am protestant and let me say first that I love Matt Fradd!! He is my brother in Christ.Watch his videos all the time. He is doing important work. Love his heart! As a protestant I don't have a problem with some of these. Some I do, some I have questions about. Here we go....From my understanding of the Bible, Christ died for my sin and the sin of the world. He paid the price, He redeemed my soul. All I have to do is accept this beautiful, FREE gift by acknowledging my sin and my need for a Savior, ask Him into my heart to reign as Lord. I am saved (as we protestants say) but I am not perfect or sinless. But, after salvation the sanctification begins. That is what the rest of my days on this Earth consist of. He is continually sanctifying me. But, when I die I will still be a sinful person. My question for Matt is, the Bible says Jesus' blood is sufficient to forgive my sin, so why does something else need to happen after I die before I go to heaven? Your analogy about cleaning up before you go into someone's home seems to me that we as Christians are not truly covered by the blood of THE LAMB- The ULTIMATE sacrifice for our sins. Another question is about praying the rosary. I don't have a problem with holding the rosary. I think it's beautiful, those kind of things are very nice, just like making the sign of the cross, I think it is good. I think protestants need much more of this kind of thing. But, when you were talking about it helping you to pray because you are not very good at it or you are bored, I kinda winced at that. I believe praying and seeking God is part of our sacrifice and daily dying to ourselves, especially when we don't feel like it. (I am not saying this happens with me everyday but it is the goal all day long) The rosary making it easier would seem that one may just be going through the motions or even fulfilling an obligation to get prayer in everyday. I LOVE praying God's word back to Him and I love the idea of praying prayers that great people before us prayed. I love praying anything I feel praises God. But, for most protestants it seems like when the priest tells you to go and pray a certain number of hail Marys, that you are trying to pay for your own sin...that if you don't, you won't be forgiven. Protestants believe (as you probably know) that Jesus sent THE Helper, the Holy Spirit and He makes intercession for us. This deals with another question about praying to Saints or asking them to pray for us...why would we do that when we can go straight to the Lord ourselves? Hebrews 4:16 says, Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Sometimes we don't know how to pray and the Bible says in Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. I have always been confused when my mother-in-law prays to a certain Saint because she lost something and he is over lost things.... To a protestant it looks like others are elevated to the level of God. I know you said they are not and I believe your heart. I am not sure all Catholics believe the same. it is almost like they are superstitious. I have to say one thing to Cameron....are you really a protestant if you've never heard of Rick Warren????? Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! I hope all this comes across the way I meant it to....kind.... and in search of truth always. Thank you for your videos!!!
My understanding of praying to the saints is that it's like asking a friend to pray for you on this side of heaven. My problem with this is that prayer is a way for us to communicate with the Lord. Nowhere does the Bible say it can be used to communicate with each other. It's an act of worship, and should only be directed to Him as such. As a kid I'd ask the Lord to pass on a message to my great grandma after she passed, not the other way around! As a fellow protestant on this channel, your points are spot-on. But some day all these things will be sorted out by God himself and we will understand and be one body without divisions. The former things will have passed, and I think right worship will be clear. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. I'm convinced that applies to Catholics and Protestants alike. Not all protestants are born again however, neither Catholics. The wind blows where it pleases (John 3:8).
@@libbycatherine In Rev 5:5, 7:13-14 John was able to communicate with one of the elders in heaven, without going through God, as you wrote. Jesus Himself conversed with Moses and Elijah (Mat. 17:3). Saints in heaven are alive, just like saints on earth. Scripture says God saves us through faith (Eph. 2:8) and through Sanctification (2 Thes. 2:13). Salvation is therefore a process according to Scripture, not one-time event and not by faith alone as wrongly taught by Reformers. Scripture nowhere says that born again comes through saying "sinner prayer". Scripture does relate baptism with newness of life (Rom. 6:4)
A trivia - in the Latin Rite Church, I've heard before an exorcism is performed, the priest first prays the prayer " Litany of Saints" - which includes all the major saints, especially from the early era.
1- the holy eucharist (real presence) 2- appostalic succession 3- pope’s authority 4- praying for the dead 5- the apocrypha 6- mary ever virgin 7- acknowledgement of church traditions ( example is it gave us all the bible lol) 8 - role of the early church fathers
Hi Matt. I love your work so much. Peaceful dialogue is the right way to settling our differences and understanding ourselves. You are indeed a Thomas Aquinas of our time.
Glory to Jesus Christ! ... a different interpretation of (6:27), the direction of the sign of the cross ... In the earliest centuries, when everyone was under Roman rule, they did things culturally in the Greek way, (Eastern), so everyone made the sign of the cross from right to left. The order was according to the words said, which in Greek would have been ... "and of the Holy Spirit"..., as we do in English now. When the church was finally accepted in Rome, and Latin became the common language, the wording became "... and of the Spirit Holy..." (Try it in Latin... and in most Latin-based languages, this still holds, except I think French.) The point is, in most cultures, the right-hand side is equated with the holy, the good, the 'right', and the left-hand side is equated with evil, the bad,... you get the point. So when the word "holy" was said, you're touching your right shoulder. It became the norm, when all Catholic countries prayed in Latin. When the vernacular was encouraged, (Vat II), the form of movement remained the point of unity, whether or not the words swapped back. In the Eastern Churches, they still did the Greek way. (Ukrainian, too -- My background.)
My sense is that the sign of the cross is something protestants, historically, chose not to do in order to distinguish themselves from Catholics. I haven't researched it, so that may be wrong. But as a protestant myself, I've never heard any teaching against the sign of the cross. It was just simply something we didn't do. I see absolutely no reason protestants can't do it if they feel compelled to. I practice meditation to prepare my mind for prayer. I am on my knees for both but have slightly different hand positions for each. None of that is strictly necessary. But it works for me. It facilitates the practice, so I chose to make it a habit.
Everyone's here talking about how great the theological dialogue is, and I'm just having sympathy pains for poor, misguided Origen. But, seriously, great episode.
6.5/7. But then again, I am an Anglican, with a great respect for some aspects of Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theology and practice. I pray the Jesus prayer, and do the Rosary. I believe that all churches who believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist, e.g. Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican & Methodist, can work on ironing out their differences... and accept a small spectrum of dogma, within certain limits... to achieve full communion. (Not those churches who have embraced post-modernist moral relativism though mind.) E.g. most of the reasons for the North-South schism instigated by Luther (& Calivin & Zwingli) were misunderstandings... and also the Solas and faith vs. works are also often misunderstood. Faith leads to Works, and Faith without Works highlights either false or skin-deep 'faith'. Also faith and belief are not one and the same.
Trinitarian orthodoxy needs to be one universal church across the denominational traditions. One Triune God, one eternal Saviour, one saving and abiding faith.
Matt, great job on this adventure 👊🏻👊🏻I love the respect you have for each other...very Christ-like. Who knew...real dialogue! I’d like to see you guys do more. I’m a Catholic and appreciate your intelligent reasoning for the Hope within. Excited to share this with my Protestant good friends and continue the search for Truth, Beauty and Goodness together.
Come Holy Spirit, teach us Faith, Hope and Love. Ps 94:5, Mt 11:25 St. Christina, help us to see beyond the things of the world and to realize we are never alone with God and that we are surrounded by a “great cloud of witnesses that have gone before us.” 😇 St. Christina the Astonishing pray for us sinners
Come Holy Spirit, teach us Faith, Hope and Love. Ps 10:1, Mt 12:18 St. Christina, you caused many sinners to convert because they saw astonishing things that pointed to the existence of God. Continue to pray and intercede for the conversion of sinners. 😇 St. Christina the Astonishing thank you
Great discussion. Look Fwd to your new channel. So true single men are looked at like the wolf in the hen house in Protestant church. I saw that in my job search post seminary while single.
@36:00 - what about people in mixed marriages attending both? I entered the catholic church after already being married. Right now our arrangement is mass followed by the church we both went to before I "converted."
That’s very interesting to me! I grew up evangelical, had a period of doubt that I’m still wrestling with where I was attending a non-denominational evangelical church on and off, but I feel this growing call to the Catholic Church. The sacraments, the traditions, and the Eucharist appeal to me but I am not sure whether I will join, because I feel that I will lose much of my own faith tradition, like the beautiful Protestant hymns. I have a vision that I may marry a Catholic man, God willing.
Really enjoy your discussion. There could be an issue - "protestant" isn't a religion just like Europe isn't a country. You may be working toward mutual agreement in brotherly love, which is fine and good and helps your audience be able to do the same.
On the use of icons/images and sacramentals, Christ is the 'Logos' and the Ikonos or Image of the unseen God who became Incarnate, just justly sanctified all things to be used fir the glory of God. I'm sure Matt could have expanded on that to explain why gestures (kneeling, orans, etc), the use of prayer beads and scripture (as in a book form, rather than oral-mental), use of icons and incense, are all 'just' as long as these are used in a manner to glorify God.
The "Protestant" here is 1. Out of his league. 2. Not a Protestant, but rather a Neo-Montanist. No Protestant that knows anything about Christianity would ever endorse Hillsong. For that matter, the Catholic in this video knows better.
Hi Matt, a question on the concept of Purgatory that you brought up. At face value, it doesn't seem that Purgatory is actually ordered toward the pragmatic "straightening out" of the sinner but is punishment as a function of justice. 1) E.g. Baptism remits all temporal punishment, but it'd be a stretch to say that if an adult convert died *immediately* after his Baptism that he would be totally free from all attachment to sin, all defects, all vicious habits, etc.; however they would not have to endure Purgatory for any of the sins that they had committed pre-Baptism. 2) Purgatory is a place of punishment and healing; one does not receive any additional graces or merit there. So, it does not seem that one would there receive anything to remove vices (by the addition of the contrary virtues) or the breaking of these inordinate attachments as such things have no penal aspect. Thoughts on this?
1-5 are good 6 having a picture of what someone thinks Jesus looks like it and representation of Jesus and kissing it is Straight Unadulterated Idolatry. 7 is ok as long as it hold the right spot in ones mind. If you start to have peace because you have the beads that’s idolatry as well but as a reminder or guidance for prayer is great. Like the vids. Thanks y’all.
Wow! It's terrible theology for Ratzinger to say that purgatory is some kind of instant sanctification! 😳 The Church may not have a dogmatic definition on the doctrine but the Magisterium is clear and the cult of the saints (their mystical experiences) bears clear witness. The Ratzinger proposal suggests that the lifelong process of sanctification (which is completed in purgatory) is somehow skipped to the end. This ignores the role of free will which must be fully exercised without the burden of any attachments to sin. This is how Grace makes the soul perfect and worthy for Heaven. At Fatima our Lady spoke of different time periods for souls in purgatory. You can take that to the bank!
Is it the beginning of what some Catholic theologian describe very well as "Theological Promiscuity" Matt, with a humble opinion, read Fr Chad Ripperger FSSP, he explains very well the wrong of the false ecumenical movement. Just consider it.
What? Charicatures are great!... As long as they're tastefully and appropriately done, and well drawn or well stated, if you write like Lewis, or Chesterton.
To my understanding, it is possible. Not encouraged, but possible. The catholic one would have to get an exception from the parish (or something in the same line) and then both have to promise that they will educate their children under catholic beliefs. Not sure about the children's baptism though. The difficult part would probably be in deciding which church to go to, since the 2 might go to different churches. This may confuse the children and be a challenge to all of their faiths. All in all, it's possible.
My grandparents were protestant and catholic, my protestant grandmother advised against it even though my grandfather was perfectly lovely, he would not go to church with the family.
Add to the list! What else can Protestants accept? And yes, yes, you as a Catholic think they should accept it all, but what I'm asking is what should they have no trouble accepting. There are many things that needlessly divide Protestants and Catholics. I offered 7 such things in the vid above. Would love your take!
How bout everything else?
A fixed liturgy and a liturgical calendar
Your purgatory talk you can also justify or proof with scripture that there is purgatory is Matthew 5:25,"Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny." And you know they are not talking about hell because it says you WILL get out. And we k ow that in Hell you do not come out of there
Purgatory as "final sanctification". Unless they believe that you keep on sinning in heaven and Jesus just covers your sin (would anyone really defend that), then they have to believe that you will no longer sin in heaven. And yet they believe (rightly in almost all cases) that you are a sinner right up to the moment of death. So what happens? Final Sanctification. Which is final purification. Which apparently God provides as one last favor ( you certainly don't purify yourself). Thus they should accept this basic element of the doctrine if not a few other elements (and there are very few to which we are obligated). And as for one of those other elements - the pain (however it is understood)- is it really hard to believe this sort of "healing" might not involve something "painful". Natural analogy #1 - Parent about to put some medicine on a wound of their child: "now this is going to hurt a little". #2 - For those who have had serious massage - as the professional massage therapists say - this is "good pain". It hurts but you feel much better afterwards.
I think adopting the Divine Office, the official prayer of the Church, is perfect, and some denominations like the Anglicans may even have a greater devotion than Catholics on the average do. 📖🙏🏼
In a tragic twist, Cameron is a better and more faithful Catholic than almost all the kids i went to Catholic high school with.
I don’t know, he’s been posting blasphemous Eucharist memes lately. True colors coming out
@@Mkvine 1) welcome to “a year later”, where 2) Protestants still aren’t Catholic, and 3) my high school mates were still not very faithful
@@ArchetypeGotoh 😂 tell me about it
I don't know, Cameron looks like he's about to become catholic
@@Mkvine Pfft! A "charismatic" with an Italian surname who 2 years later is still debating converting?
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CS Lewis said that you have to get to know your own tradition before you can get to know other ones. Because you need a reference point from which to understand things.
I think a lot of Protestants are fairly clueless as to their own traditions. So it doesn’t really help to mix and match traditions into a Frankenstein church with no real understanding as to why your church rejected something in the first place. Perhaps it’s better to encourage Protestants to really dig deep into their own theologians and understand why they believe what they do about Catholic practices. If Catholicism is right, then there’s nothing to fear.
Right? I kinda want the false protestant to disprove Luther, Hus, Wyclife, etc then.
Exactly why CS Lewis was not a Roman Catholic 🙈
Matt,
I’m not sure if this is something you do on your channel but I thought I’d ask anyway. As a former Calvinist and one who is looking more into Orthodoxy and Catholicism, I was utterly shocked by the amount of heresies embedded within Calvinist doctrine. These heresies are monothelitism, monoenergism, and nestorianism. What was also equally surprising to me is that some Protestants even accept the sixth ecumenical council despite being at odds with their belief of monergistic salvation. While Calvinism is one theological school which really centralizes monergism, I believe it is present in all Protestant denominations.
So....with that being said...it would be very interesting and helpful if you went through the councils with Cameron and your audience. These are all things every Christian should believe, but as you get further into the council you quickly discover that Protestantism does not withstand these orthodox councils. You have done this before when you stated that Protestants should be able to call Mary “Theotokos,” yet many respond with Nestorian ideas of Christ’s two natures. The councils are essential to the faith and are the best evidence to show that the church cannot be the church with only sola scriptura.
@Jaw 1991 This is great that you're looking at being received into the Church! If you have any questions or would like any help, PLEASE feel free to email me. jjbauer15 (at) gmail (dot) com
Protestant....im i need to look up those words. I'm confused.
Alex Green Which words are so confusing?
@@davidfigueroa8188 take a wild guess
We both agree in nativity statue scenes at Christmas lol
Actually I learned that Puritans/Methodists and Baptists in the USA originally refused to celebrate Christmas or even say the name of the holiday. When the Baptist Convention encouraged the use of the word Christmas in 2008, it would have shocked the earliest Protestants in the USA who decried the holiday and its ornaments before the Civil War.
My thought on a Catholic going to a Protestant church is like trying to eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without the bread. Pun intended 😉
I love my Protestant friends!
Jesus DNA was Mary's.
Thanks for the comment. When I was deep in prayer and scripture discerning if the Catholic church was true, that was an epiphany that struck me like a lightning bolt!
If the eternal Trinity is the case, then Jesus inserted himself into his own mother.
So he was a fully-functional transexual parthenogene, contrasting with Eve, who was a fully-functional transexual clone of Adam. Jesus fucked his mother spiritually, and Adam fucked his brother physically. The New Testament thus fulfills the promise of The Old.
@@Scyllax God impregnating Mary with God's own incarnation I'll give you but the transexual stuff makes no sense
@@partydean17 Eve's DNA was Adam's.
I posted this on Cameron's version, but as a High Church Anglican I approve of these! I'm still wrestling with the idea of Purgatory as well, but "The Great Divorce" has really opened me up to the idea (or to something similar to it)!
Hey, great question! It's based on premise that "Nothing unclean may enter Heaven" (Rev 21,27). Now we enter Heaven if we have been justified, our sins forgiven. But when you sin, you not only cause the evil of the sin itself, but also habituate your soul to sin. It's like if you steal a bike; the guy may forgive you, but you still have to give back the bike. 1 Cor 3,15 talks about having your works tested and the unworthy fragments burnt or purged away. Our Lord Himself speaks of purgatory as a prison where you have to pay your debt (Matt 5,23-26).
Yeah or you die and reawaken on Judgement day, are judged, and are given a new body when you enter Heaven.
When Matt rubs his beard, his “patience meter” is running low! Lol!
I watch these videos and I see how we should dialogue with Protestants in these videos. You share your faith and not back down from what we believe and are willing to teach it when you can.
Cameron, just wanted to tell you something, the Old English Word for talk is ‘pray,’ so when we pray to Mary and the Saints, we actually talk to them to pray for us. Hope this helped.
Yes, please start a channel! 🙏
I'm totally down with the idea of a new show with the both of you! With the ways things are these days it is nice to see two people calmly argue (which does not automatically mean fight) opposing points of view. This skill is something our world needs a lot more of. And heck....who can't like a guy that wears a Bob Ross shirt? I say you go for it guys!
As a Catholic, I believe works are the fruit of our faith and relationship with Jesus Christ.
@@JesusmySalvation Scripture says God saves us through faith (Eph. 2:8) and through Sanctification (2 Thes. 2:13). Salvation is therefore a process according to Scripture, not one-time event and not by faith alone as wrongly taught by Reformers. Sanctification is the work God (1 Thes 5:23, 2 Thes. 2:13) but we are not simply passive but work together with His grace (Rom. 8:28, 1 Cor. 15:10, Phil. 2:12). Thus we do work in our sanctification but our works are grace (through Christ) enabled works because apart from Him we can do nothing (John 15:5).
Same as Protestants
@@stevenvelez1717 We're anti works even when we do them. 5 solas come on now, Catholics have monks and we don't for a reason.
@@stevenvelez1717 your reformer split the church and called Catholics heretics for teaching that
The idea for a new channel is awesome!! We second it😁😁😁
Originally, the beads were worked through as one prayed the Psalms: one bead per Psalm.
I would love to see a channel together. I'm a protestant (reformed Presbyterian) and do not want to become catholic, but I'm so broken over the divide in the Church, especially in the ever-increasing division and chaos in the world. We're all at Christ's table. There's a lot of value in the traditions and disciplines of the catholic church that many protestants could benefit from, and I think vice versa. I would love to see two people with different understandings coming together and respecting the other. Would love to see both of you do some reaction vids to Kings Kaleidoscope and discussion of theology.
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As far as Im concerned, death (for the forgiveness of sins), deity (trinitarian monotheism), and resurrection constitutes Christianity but you make yourself vulnerable when you attach falsehoods to those 3 core truths just as the Catholic church does
And by that I mean that if someone chips away at your false side beliefs then you may abandon the truths Christian faith is based on
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They mean "the people and not the building".
Which is weird because that would mean that Catholics are not part of "the church" as they define it. I was taught in my church (evangelical assemblies of God) that "Catholics don't know who Jesus is. They have a dead Jesus on their cross. That's why they pray to Mary because to them, Jesus is dead".
I kidd you not. I was actually taught this by my Sunday school teacher.
I think it would be great if you would do a “7 things Protestants do that Catholics can accept” video with things you mentioned like Bible Studies and Contemporary music.
Also, I like the idea of you guys doing the channel together and believe it would make it more interesting if you got political instead of trying to make it too lighthearted. I liked when you guys talked about Joe Biden.
P.S. I like that you explained how when you make the sign of a cross in front of you, your fingers are held in certain positions representing the Trinity and Jesus’ two natures ext... The problem I run into is most Catholics having no idea what the theology behind all the rituals are which often lead to a dead faith. I often ask Catholic co-workers and friends what the meaning is behind making the sign of the cross, doing Hail Marys, or having statues of Saints in their homes, and all I get is blank stares and “I don’t know” or “I just do it because I’m Catholic and that’s what we do.” 🤷🏽♂️
Prayer is communication. It's not the same thing as worship. Prayer beads, ropes, rosaries, help you keep count/track of the prayers you're praying.
my grandmother would say that, faith.. without works is dead, that thru Christ and we are saved, and thru repentance are sins are washed clean.. being Born Again and declaring our faith in God's word.. we must strive to be like Chirst, in our works.. how we treat others and how to walk out our faith.. in a nutshell, it's like this.. you say that you are saved, and a follower of Christ.. then act like and get your hands dirty..
I think the reason people don't like contemporary christian music is because it's not usually good, not because it's too "protestant" XD
Just my humble opinion
Fair
Thank you Matt and Cameron for these instances you two share a platform together. Honestly it is so VERY NECESSARY for us to see more examples of people who believe differently and yet respect each other enough not to assume the other is stupid, ignorant, less than or just a project of conversion. I really like the way you both give each other room to push back, set the record straight, clear up anything confused or misleading, etc. What a holy and Godly example you two have been here! I'm sure God looked down on this and smiled. It nearly brings tears to my eyes to see true holiness on display.
I wonder when will Cameron be a Catholic already 😁
In the end, all protestants will be Catholic.
Atheists too.
@@JesusmySalvation First come free from the delusions taught to you by your pastors, then claim to be fully dependant on Jesus and word alone.
Same
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If you use a King James Bible, then yes.
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Douay Rheims. Good choice there my man. You're coming along already.
Matt Fradd is such a blessing to the Church.
Here is the thing, I’m not catholic. I’m not close to converting to Catholicism. However I love listening to Catholics, I find it very very interesting and there is much I appreciate.
Yes! More collaborations!
From early centuries, this signing was taught as a remembrance of a basic Christian truth: God came down from heaven (hand from forehead to chest) as Jesus, to be in our hearts (moving your hand to your heart), who sent out the Holy Spirit (dragging hand from left to right).
Yes. Do it. You guys have a great dialogue together, and it is helpful to here this kind of interfaith dialogue so we can model our own dialogues from it. I would love to see a joint channel with you two.
Great video, shines light on the fact we are all brothers and sisters in Christ
I am protestant and let me say first that I love Matt Fradd!! He is my brother in Christ.Watch his videos all the time. He is doing important work. Love his heart! As a protestant I don't have a problem with some of these. Some I do, some I have questions about. Here we go....From my understanding of the Bible, Christ died for my sin and the sin of the world. He paid the price, He redeemed my soul. All I have to do is accept this beautiful, FREE gift by acknowledging my sin and my need for a Savior, ask Him into my heart to reign as Lord. I am saved (as we protestants say) but I am not perfect or sinless. But, after salvation the sanctification begins. That is what the rest of my days on this Earth consist of. He is continually sanctifying me. But, when I die I will still be a sinful person. My question for Matt is, the Bible says Jesus' blood is sufficient to forgive my sin, so why does something else need to happen after I die before I go to heaven? Your analogy about cleaning up before you go into someone's home seems to me that we as Christians are not truly covered by the blood of THE LAMB- The ULTIMATE sacrifice for our sins.
Another question is about praying the rosary. I don't have a problem with holding the rosary. I think it's beautiful, those kind of things are very nice, just like making the sign of the cross, I think it is good. I think protestants need much more of this kind of thing. But, when you were talking about it helping you to pray because you are not very good at it or you are bored, I kinda winced at that. I believe praying and seeking God is part of our sacrifice and daily dying to ourselves, especially when we don't feel like it. (I am not saying this happens with me everyday but it is the goal all day long) The rosary making it easier would seem that one may just be going through the motions or even fulfilling an obligation to get prayer in everyday. I LOVE praying God's word back to Him and I love the idea of praying prayers that great people before us prayed. I love praying anything I feel praises God. But, for most protestants it seems like when the priest tells you to go and pray a certain number of hail Marys, that you are trying to pay for your own sin...that if you don't, you won't be forgiven. Protestants believe (as you probably know) that Jesus sent THE Helper, the Holy Spirit and He makes intercession for us.
This deals with another question about praying to Saints or asking them to pray for us...why would we do that when we can go straight to the Lord ourselves? Hebrews 4:16 says, Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Sometimes we don't know how to pray and the Bible says in Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
I have always been confused when my mother-in-law prays to a certain Saint because she lost something and he is over lost things.... To a protestant it looks like others are elevated to the level of God. I know you said they are not and I believe your heart. I am not sure all Catholics believe the same. it is almost like they are superstitious.
I have to say one thing to Cameron....are you really a protestant if you've never heard of Rick Warren????? Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
I hope all this comes across the way I meant it to....kind.... and in search of truth always. Thank you for your videos!!!
My understanding of praying to the saints is that it's like asking a friend to pray for you on this side of heaven. My problem with this is that prayer is a way for us to communicate with the Lord. Nowhere does the Bible say it can be used to communicate with each other. It's an act of worship, and should only be directed to Him as such. As a kid I'd ask the Lord to pass on a message to my great grandma after she passed, not the other way around!
As a fellow protestant on this channel, your points are spot-on.
But some day all these things will be sorted out by God himself and we will understand and be one body without divisions. The former things will have passed, and I think right worship will be clear.
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. I'm convinced that applies to Catholics and Protestants alike. Not all protestants are born again however, neither Catholics. The wind blows where it pleases (John 3:8).
@@libbycatherine In Rev 5:5, 7:13-14 John was able to communicate with one of the elders in heaven, without going through God, as you wrote. Jesus Himself conversed with Moses and Elijah (Mat. 17:3). Saints in heaven are alive, just like saints on earth.
Scripture says God saves us through faith (Eph. 2:8) and through Sanctification (2 Thes. 2:13). Salvation is therefore a process according to Scripture, not one-time event and not by faith alone as wrongly taught by Reformers.
Scripture nowhere says that born again comes through saying "sinner prayer". Scripture does relate baptism with newness of life (Rom. 6:4)
A trivia - in the Latin Rite Church, I've heard before an exorcism is performed, the priest first prays the prayer " Litany of Saints" - which includes all the major saints, especially from the early era.
@@libbycatherine Yes, all these things will be sorted out by God! I am thankful for all fellow believers. ♥️
@@justfromcatholic Read John 3. Thanks!
1- the holy eucharist (real presence) 2- appostalic succession 3- pope’s authority 4- praying for the dead 5- the apocrypha 6- mary ever virgin 7- acknowledgement of church traditions ( example is it gave us all the bible lol) 8 - role of the early church fathers
If they just accept the Authority of the Church they have to accept everything else i am pretty sure
league of pingu -01 fair enough
Get the Orthodox in first because they say your Pope is a heretic.
This is important. The lord himself wanted the church to be one.
I'm Catholic with leanings toward my Protestant roots, combining from the two things that are biblical.
Really like yall's dynamic. I want to get into Apologetics more seriously myself. It's pretty intimidating, the role and cross to bear. Pray for me!
Hi Matt. I love your work so much. Peaceful dialogue is the right way to settling our differences and understanding ourselves. You are indeed a Thomas Aquinas of our time.
Great ecumenical idea. We are all the people of God.
@@ACF1901 where is it condemned can I ask?
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Glory to Jesus Christ! ... a different interpretation of (6:27), the direction of the sign of the cross ... In the earliest centuries, when everyone was under Roman rule, they did things culturally in the Greek way, (Eastern), so everyone made the sign of the cross from right to left. The order was according to the words said, which in Greek would have been ... "and of the Holy Spirit"..., as we do in English now. When the church was finally accepted in Rome, and Latin became the common language, the wording became "... and of the Spirit Holy..." (Try it in Latin... and in most Latin-based languages, this still holds, except I think French.) The point is, in most cultures, the right-hand side is equated with the holy, the good, the 'right', and the left-hand side is equated with evil, the bad,... you get the point. So when the word "holy" was said, you're touching your right shoulder. It became the norm, when all Catholic countries prayed in Latin. When the vernacular was encouraged, (Vat II), the form of movement remained the point of unity, whether or not the words swapped back. In the Eastern Churches, they still did the Greek way. (Ukrainian, too -- My background.)
A very well put together show. I loved the back and forth discourse. I would love to see more of this by the two of you.
Yes, would love to see the new idea you are considering.
My sense is that the sign of the cross is something protestants, historically, chose not to do in order to distinguish themselves from Catholics. I haven't researched it, so that may be wrong. But as a protestant myself, I've never heard any teaching against the sign of the cross. It was just simply something we didn't do. I see absolutely no reason protestants can't do it if they feel compelled to. I practice meditation to prepare my mind for prayer. I am on my knees for both but have slightly different hand positions for each. None of that is strictly necessary. But it works for me. It facilitates the practice, so I chose to make it a habit.
I think you're right.
Yet surely the cross is the symbol of Christ's sacrifice for all!
Everyone's here talking about how great the theological dialogue is, and I'm just having sympathy pains for poor, misguided Origen.
But, seriously, great episode.
Origen was merely subdued by politics.
Are we sure he really did that to himself? That is really sad
This is good, we as Christians need to openly discuss our shared God. It can only strengthen our beliefs, especially in these troubled times.
Calm down there champion!!! LOL!!!hahahaaa. thanks for the video
6.5/7. But then again, I am an Anglican, with a great respect for some aspects of Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theology and practice. I pray the Jesus prayer, and do the Rosary.
I believe that all churches who believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist, e.g. Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican & Methodist, can work on ironing out their differences... and accept a small spectrum of dogma, within certain limits... to achieve full communion. (Not those churches who have embraced post-modernist moral relativism though mind.) E.g. most of the reasons for the North-South schism instigated by Luther (& Calivin & Zwingli) were misunderstandings... and also the Solas and faith vs. works are also often misunderstood. Faith leads to Works, and Faith without Works highlights either false or skin-deep 'faith'. Also faith and belief are not one and the same.
Hopefully so!
Trinitarian orthodoxy needs to be one universal church across the denominational traditions. One Triune God, one eternal Saviour, one saving and abiding faith.
Matt, great job on this adventure 👊🏻👊🏻I love the respect you have for each other...very Christ-like. Who knew...real dialogue! I’d like to see you guys do more. I’m a Catholic and appreciate your intelligent reasoning for the Hope within. Excited to share this with my Protestant good friends and continue the search for Truth, Beauty and Goodness together.
Yeah, I'd watch your new TH-cam Channel. Keep us informed.
Come Holy Spirit, teach us Faith, Hope and Love. Ps 94:5, Mt 11:25
St. Christina, help us to see beyond the things of the world and to realize we are never alone with God and that we are surrounded by a “great cloud of witnesses that have gone before us.”
😇 St. Christina the Astonishing pray for us sinners
Late to the party but I'd love to see a channel with the two of you
I am a roman catholic, but I love all my christian brothers! Greetings from Brazil!
"That golden calf thing."🤣
You should try to get Dr. Jordan Cooper on Pints with Aquinas! I'd love to see your discussions with him.
I'm a former Lutheran converting to Catholicism, and I second this! I still love and appreciate Dr. Cooper.
He's a fair and charitable Lutheran
(Actually, most Lutherans are fair to talk with compared to other protestants like the Evangelicals)
This is great. Hope to see more videos from you all
Come Holy Spirit, teach us Faith, Hope and Love. Ps 10:1, Mt 12:18
St. Christina, you caused many sinners to convert because they saw astonishing things that pointed to the existence of God. Continue to pray and intercede for the conversion of sinners.
😇 St. Christina the Astonishing thank you
Lutheran rosary takes out Haily Mary and puts in Jesus prayer.
Fantastic video Matt!
Great video!!
Love to see you 2 do a TH-cam channel together I think you guys feed off each other very well!!
These are some of my favorite PWA videos!
Great idea to get together for a channel.
Yes please it would be great to see your shared channel
My thoughts on Bertuzzi’s thoughts on #1 are, do protestants only do what is necessary and the minimum required standard?
Great discussion. Look Fwd to your new channel. So true single men are looked at like the wolf in the hen house in Protestant church. I saw that in my job search post seminary while single.
Protestants can now INCREASE in Justification, that is, ADD to the righteousness of Christ credited to the believer - WAAAAIIIT A MINUTE NOW!
Yes! I want to know what protestant believes.
A combined show would be fantastic!!!
@36:00 - what about people in mixed marriages attending both? I entered the catholic church after already being married. Right now our arrangement is mass followed by the church we both went to before I "converted."
That’s very interesting to me! I grew up evangelical, had a period of doubt that I’m still wrestling with where I was attending a non-denominational evangelical church on and off, but I feel this growing call to the Catholic Church. The sacraments, the traditions, and the Eucharist appeal to me but I am not sure whether I will join, because I feel that I will lose much of my own faith tradition, like the beautiful Protestant hymns. I have a vision that I may marry a Catholic man, God willing.
Really enjoy your discussion. There could be an issue - "protestant" isn't a religion just like Europe isn't a country. You may be working toward mutual agreement in brotherly love, which is fine and good and helps your audience be able to do the same.
Great idea to have a show like this
Yes, yes, yes!
Hillsong ? Nooo please!
Catholics have Bible studies too
Anglicans make the sign of the cross too. I know we're closer to catholics than other christians, but I didn't even know other protestants don't.
❤️😘❤️ Go ahead
On the use of icons/images and sacramentals, Christ is the 'Logos' and the Ikonos or Image of the unseen God who became Incarnate, just justly sanctified all things to be used fir the glory of God. I'm sure Matt could have expanded on that to explain why gestures (kneeling, orans, etc), the use of prayer beads and scripture (as in a book form, rather than oral-mental), use of icons and incense, are all 'just' as long as these are used in a manner to glorify God.
Well done Mr Fradd
Great video. I like the idea of a channel together.
Make it happen, gentlemen; make it happen.
The "Protestant" here is 1. Out of his league. 2. Not a Protestant, but rather a Neo-Montanist. No Protestant that knows anything about Christianity would ever endorse Hillsong. For that matter, the Catholic in this video knows better.
Hi Matt, a question on the concept of Purgatory that you brought up. At face value, it doesn't seem that Purgatory is actually ordered toward the pragmatic "straightening out" of the sinner but is punishment as a function of justice.
1) E.g. Baptism remits all temporal punishment, but it'd be a stretch to say that if an adult convert died *immediately* after his Baptism that he would be totally free from all attachment to sin, all defects, all vicious habits, etc.; however they would not have to endure Purgatory for any of the sins that they had committed pre-Baptism.
2) Purgatory is a place of punishment and healing; one does not receive any additional graces or merit there. So, it does not seem that one would there receive anything to remove vices (by the addition of the contrary virtues) or the breaking of these inordinate attachments as such things have no penal aspect.
Thoughts on this?
Protestant, LCMS Lutheran to be exact but even I can see Cameron is soon to be Catholic. It's only a matter of time. :)
1-5 are good 6 having a picture of what someone thinks Jesus looks like it and representation of Jesus and kissing it is Straight Unadulterated Idolatry. 7 is ok as long as it hold the right spot in ones mind. If you start to have peace because you have the beads that’s idolatry as well but as a reminder or guidance for prayer is great. Like the vids. Thanks y’all.
Rome has enough cafeteria Catholic as it is without selling out to the Protestants! 🙏🌺☦️🌺🙏
@mattfradd love that thick Aussie accent.
Excuse me Dear Sir, but where can you buy that rosary in your thumbnail?
I did not get the Theotokos debate. Are any protestants claiming Mary was not the "mother of God"? Or do Catholics mean more by it then it seems?
Wow! It's terrible theology for Ratzinger to say that purgatory is some kind of instant sanctification! 😳 The Church may not have a dogmatic definition on the doctrine but the Magisterium is clear and the cult of the saints (their mystical experiences) bears clear witness.
The Ratzinger proposal suggests that the lifelong process of sanctification (which is completed in purgatory) is somehow skipped to the end. This ignores the role of free will which must be fully exercised without the burden of any attachments to sin. This is how Grace makes the soul perfect and worthy for Heaven.
At Fatima our Lady spoke of different time periods for souls in purgatory. You can take that to the bank!
It would be an excellent idea for a TH-cam channel w/ both of you!
How about all of the faith? Not just select parts.
That's what heresy means: 'picking and choosing.'
This is not picking and choosing.
"The steps you take don't need to be big, they just need to take you in the right direction."
If you have no idea, Bertuzzi is a protestant.
What's the time is it in the France sand domes
Yessss do it!!!
Is it the beginning of what some Catholic theologian describe very well as "Theological Promiscuity"
Matt, with a humble opinion, read Fr Chad Ripperger FSSP, he explains very well the wrong of the false ecumenical movement.
Just consider it.
How are they being falsely ecumenical?
That ending...
What? Charicatures are great!... As long as they're tastefully and appropriately done, and well drawn or well stated, if you write like Lewis, or Chesterton.
I want to see the channel!!
Yes do the channel
Sure make a new channel. Will watch.
wait, is this a reupload? i thought this already came out like 2 weeks ago
Talk about marriage. Is it possible to get married Catholic n protestant/Presbyterian?
To my understanding, it is possible. Not encouraged, but possible. The catholic one would have to get an exception from the parish (or something in the same line) and then both have to promise that they will educate their children under catholic beliefs. Not sure about the children's baptism though.
The difficult part would probably be in deciding which church to go to, since the 2 might go to different churches. This may confuse the children and be a challenge to all of their faiths.
All in all, it's possible.
My grandparents were protestant and catholic, my protestant grandmother advised against it even though my grandfather was perfectly lovely, he would not go to church with the family.
...Protestants can jettison the idea that Eternal Life and Justification in Christ is front-loaded at saving faith - NO WAIT, cannot do that