Edit: There are two versions of this card. This is the TUF-RTX3080-O10G-GAMING (OC - didn't mention that part of the SKU name, sorry), which has an MSRP of $730, but seems to be priced around $750... if it's ever available, anyway. Back-order a GN toolkit here: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gamersnexus-tear-down-toolkit Review of the Gigabyte RTX 3080 Eagle previously: th-cam.com/video/4ivWfdJs4BU/w-d-xo.html Here's our airflow photography of how the Founders Edition cooler behaves: th-cam.com/video/VVaGRtX80gI/w-d-xo.html Watch the RTX 3080 review here: th-cam.com/video/oTeXh9x0sUc/w-d-xo.html RTX 3080 FE Tear-Down: th-cam.com/video/OX9Eh_NaC5c/w-d-xo.html Previous 3080 review article: www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3618-nvidia-rtx-3080-founders-edition-review-benchmarks
Steve you can't just say the "ASUS RTX 3080 TUF is so badass we didn't even need to test it, and would be cool if used by the military. This is clearly built Tonka Tuf and that is all you need to know. 10/10" and call it a review.
Can you ask ASUS about the BIOS? The threshold for zero fan is 30W! And that means, that the fan wont stop if you connect two monitors (permanent over 30W). Other board partners have 50W. ASUS should fix that.
Well, ball bearings on the fans are actually a good selling point for me - I can't afford to buy a card every generation so it has to hold up for about 3-4 years without starting to sound like a freehub.
“... the product is actually not that bad performance wise,” translated from Stevelese, means “this is the best gpu to ever be released.” You’re welcome.
@@Katniss218 I mean I dunno, if Steve is saying that a product is "not that bad" that **at least** means it's the best price/performance on the market certainly.
Veteran here. Can confirm. Lowest bidder wins contract for mass production. The only thing that is missing is the flat, cracked and peeling green or tan paint.
Military grade when it comes to EEE components means that they can operate in a wider range of temperatures without failure. I don’t know if that actually matters for a GPU, but in my work developing componentry for spaceflight launch vehicles, Our resistors and caps must be certified back to the manufacturer with lot control information to ensure that it is indeed military grade and not generic or counterfeit
@@RobBCactive in marketing terms yes. The public veiws military grade equipment as heavy duty. But in actuality, as Kyle said it's made by who can make it for the least amount of money. So cheap. Military has a budget and they need to get as much as they can for as little as they can.
@@captvimes mine crashed twice before the new patch just like all the other cards. that theory that the tuf cards crashed less because of their diff caps was debunked a while ago.
Sure they are far from the actual military stuff which are built in crazy super tough boxes than can take a lot of punch, but they actually have a certificate for reliability where they test a lot of stuff which would be similar to military-grade stuff maybe, just not the way it's constructed for a normal PC would never be military grade, but they have many tests on a lot of stuff like salt spraying, solder bath and many, many other tests which have to pass so it means high reliability and it's usual to also come with a 5 year warranty on some of their stuff... Just an example of the TUF reliability certificate: itwriter.ru/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/004-1.png (tests depend on the hardware some have less tests than others). And Asus use this for quite a long years already, my PC is from 2011 and the motherboard is TUF (also has military-grade) and also comes with a reliability certificate, anyway my 2011 PC is still pretty alive even with super high OC on air and it's the only PC since the 90's that ever lasted me more than 5 years, nothing broke yet even with the I7 2600K max turbo 3.8 ghz OC to 4.9ghz with high voltage and the rams at 2133mhz which a lot of people had troubles using 2133mhz on other setups for DDR3... For last the military also have normal PC's in the offices and whatever and I'm sure they like reliable components as they are also just normal desktops and not the super tough crazy custom computers to take into battle in airplanes, tanks and so on which cost a damn lot and are fully custom to take a lot of punch... ps: It can all be a coincidence but this "reliable" board is lasting well...
Oh man, I was about to comment the same thing. Flimsier and cost 5 times as much as something you could buy at any store or something refurbished 10 times over already with no parts support.
To be fair Steve, the aluminum alloys used to build aircrafts have the Alclad treatment which is a layer of pure aluminum that's bonded to the surface to protect against corrosion. I work in a sheet metal company and we do not hold stocks of Alclad aluminum and coincidentally non of our clients are in the business of building aircrafts. So ''aircraft grade aluminum'' is a thing...
Aircraft grade aluminum refers to a specific aluminum alloy, of which there are many. 6061 is a common version that is used with inexpensive products and is easy to manufacture. The 7000 series aluminum is nearly as hard as steel while still being lighter than titanium. It’s fairly expensive by comparison. Titanium is similar in that there are various grades depending on the use/need.
@@Dangles1337 it's just a matter of style. What's more interesting in the comparison between different cards. The 3600 and cpu got a strong recommendation once: so yeah if you give 6 core reasonable performance at 200€ you get that :-)
As an owner of this card almost 8 months (since it’s release in October 2020), I can provide this review: it works and I’ve not had any trouble with it. I bought this card as they went with an all MLCC cap setup for the GPU, which probably doesn’t mean as much as some folks said it did (re: power and frequency transition), but it indicated that Asus went to some extra effort. And that’s my whole impression of both the TUF 3080 and my TUF x570… it seems like they put some effort in. Having done a lot of recapping of vintage hardware, they are using good quality components, and they are using high-quality surface mount automation, as everything is very uniformly soldered. I don’t think any of it is really mil-spec, but I do think Asus has (at least for this line and above) chosen a RMA mitigation strategy of using slightly higher quality components and tight manufacturing processes to reduce returns and servicing costs. I also have a PNY 3080, and while I’ve had no issues with that card either, it runs slightly hotter (especially memory), uses cheaper caps and, under magnification, is clearly not made with the same quality assembly equipment as the Asus board.
I have a tuf 3070 TI I bought for mining. Thermal pads they use are as thermally conductive as dirt you can find outside BUT if you change them yourself, it's the best design. I put copper shims on memories and since the memory has separate cooler, it had no effect on core temps yet reduced memory temps by 20c. Can't say the same thing about evga ftw3 as that one uses the main heatsink for everything. When I did the copper shim mod on ftw3 3070 TI and 3080, I ended up with higher core temps (no the copper isn't too thick to prevent core from touching the heatsink) Because of this better heatsink design, I recently bought a tuf 3080 and will replace the pads with a custom made copper plate soon.
@@Instead2 yess hv dropped the idea and I'm saving for 5070 at launch in 2024 . although if nvidia launches 16gb 4070 or 4070 ti as super series. i can pick that up to. my aim is 4070 ti or 4080 at discounted price wd no less than 16gb vram .
i have GTX 970 since 2014 and still runs evrything at max settings 1440p 30+ fps!. in 2016 ugpraded monitor and psu in 2017 cpu ram motherboard and hdd and just 3 months ago i got a high end SSD the MP 600 2TB. But gtx 970 still a monster! My pc now is CPU: RYZEN 7 1700 RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS GPU: GTX 970 G1 GAMING MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS MOTHERBOARD: ASUS PRIME X370 PRO HDD1: WD BLACK 4 TB HDD2: 1 TB SSD: MP 600 2TB In eed RTX 3080 for ray tracing and i wil lget one when price and avaliability of it becomes normal.
"NIST-traceable scanner": love the attention to detail here. You guys are bringing a scientific legitimacy to this testing content you simply dont see anywhere else. Keep it up yall. ....that being said, you really missed an opportunity to call it a "Military-Grade Scanner".
@@ionseven I would LOVE to see power plant reviews/teardowns dude. Its not like GN has any control over 3080 stock. And they slowed their review cycle because there is no stock. This content will be relevant to the consumer in the future when supply meets demand.
i have GTX 970 since 2014 and still runs evrything at max settings 1440p 30+ fps!. in 2016 ugpraded monitor and psu in 2017 cpu ram motherboard and hdd and just 3 months ago i got a high end SSD the MP 600 2TB. But gtx 970 still a monster! My pc now is CPU: RYZEN 7 1700 RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS GPU: GTX 970 G1 GAMING MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS MOTHERBOARD: ASUS PRIME X370 PRO HDD1: WD BLACK 4 TB HDD2: 1 TB SSD: MP 600 2TB In eed RTX 3080 for ray tracing and i wil lget one when price and avaliability of it becomes normal.
It depends. It probably means specced to survive prolonged storage at +85C, but that they left off the requirement to survive being handled by a minimum wage forklift jocky. Who knew that Yogscast really was more delicate than the average fork lift operator...
While I'm not always concerned with every aspect of the topics you cover (ex. overclocking an already high-end GPU with short ceiling) I don't think there's anywhere else I can find things like pressure map comparisons between card dyes. Thanks for all the hard work you and your team do to provide a thorough analysis of PC/Gaming products! It's immensely helpful for purchasing decisions.
"Military Grade" is code for "cheep enough to be blown up at no loss to the budget", what you want are "Medical Grade" or "Automotive Grade" parts, these are head and shoulders better than the ones slated for Military use.
Finally saw one of these in person the other day. This card is beautiful, one of the nicest looking AIB cards I have seen in a long time. And the thermals are incredible. And it's not power hungry like some of the other 3080's all the while offering the same if not better performance. Well done Asus.
Bro I was a cook in the Navy a few years ago, the ground beef we would receive was Grade D quality. Typically it was stamped with things like, "REJECTED BY FEDERAL PRISONS, or REJECTED BY THE ARMY." Lmao
@@TonyC2328 That makes you wonder why youre even bothering to defend a country with your life, that thinks its a justified appreciation to give you food that even prisoners wouldnt eat.
You know, Ive never really realized the actual value and effort that the GN guys go through to make these videos. From the "Chapters/Segments" throughout the timeline, to the "loading bar" on the right hand side of the screen showing how much longer is left in that segment, to the sheer amount of data collection and testing that goes on. Absolutely invaluable to the consumers.
Another one: "The Americans are bad at many things like they can't spell aluminium... or they can't win a war without our help but they are good at making boring sports entertaining."
Aluminum is an American invention. Americans (Charles Hall) formed the Alcoa company and manufactured it,making it usable as a material. Like everything good in the world Americans made it and brits complain about it.
@@andrewcharlton4053 butchering a language "because you can" is more an indictment of US superiority complex than a direct result of British choice of breakfast foods. If you need to feel superior maybe you could spawn a company that understands that science requires an understanding and active use of the metric system, something you showed you don't have a clue about when you ran a satellite into Mars. While you insist on using imperial units you are perpetuating British rule over your lives. Inches, pounds, ounces, gallons, miles etc who are you kidding? You are more English than the Canadians by far... You just can't see it because of said superiority complex. BTW a big army can make you powerful, it can also make you a bully. Which do you think you are perceived as?
22:41 There was a little oversight. There are two different types of fans installed on this card. The outer fans rotate counterclockwise, the inner fan clockwise. Therefore they should have different part numbers.
I like the ASUS lineup of 3080's, just for the fact that they have 2 HDMI outs. If you are using several monitors, the extra option for output is worth some of the downsides.
You can only use up to 4 display outs anyway. This card essentially is still a 4-display out. You can just use the extra HDMI in lieu of another port. Some people might find that useful.
that actually is very true i used to work armed security and the company would bid on goverment housing contracts and like you said lowest bidder wins, plus like someone else said military grade is just over paid parts
That was true for boots and packs but not at all true about main electrical distribution equipment. Australia may differ to other countries in this respect, i couldn't say.
Damn, within the first minute this GPU already earns the official "Not That Bad" Certification from GN. No need to watch the rest of the video I guess ;)
The military grade spec has literally nothing to do with equipment used by the military. It's a testing procedure to make sure it can withstand things like shock, vibration, extreme temps and overvoltage etc...
@@monkfishy6348 the MILSPEC standards determine the durability of the equipment in the field (water, dust, shock, temps, humidity, pressure, etc...). So yes, the standards have everything to do with "equipment used by the military". Maybe do a bit of research.
i have GTX 970 since 2014 and still runs evrything at max settings 1440p 30+ fps!. in 2016 ugpraded monitor and psu in 2017 cpu ram motherboard and hdd and just 3 months ago i got a high end SSD the MP 600 2TB. But gtx 970 still a monster! My pc now is CPU: RYZEN 7 1700 RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS GPU: GTX 970 G1 GAMING MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS MOTHERBOARD: ASUS PRIME X370 PRO HDD1: WD BLACK 4 TB HDD2: 1 TB SSD: MP 600 2TB In eed RTX 3080 for ray tracing and i wil lget one when price and avaliability of it becomes normal.
Military: We paid $50,000 for this product. **Product that broke while a Service Member was utilizing it.** Military: That's going to cost you $200,000.
Just thinking about those shitty up-armored humvees circa 2007 makes my butthole twitch. The sheer number of hours spent keeping those steel-shrouded shitboxes functional is humbling. I mean, I could have learned another language or picked up a PhD with less hours spent. Why I drive a Japanese car now. I want to stick the key in and turn it on. No daily, weekly, monthly, semi-annual, or annual PMCS. Never mind the battle rifles that jam when exposed to dust... Miss me with that "military grade" nonsense.
Look at the controversy over the new M17/18 pistols. Apparently the manufacturer (Sig) undercut the competition (Glock) by such a significant margin that they literally just stopped the trials early.
i have GTX 970 since 2014 and still runs evrything at max settings 1440p 30+ fps!. in 2016 ugpraded monitor and psu in 2017 cpu ram motherboard and hdd and just 3 months ago i got a high end SSD the MP 600 2TB. But gtx 970 still a monster! My pc now is CPU: RYZEN 7 1700 RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS GPU: GTX 970 G1 GAMING MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS MOTHERBOARD: ASUS PRIME X370 PRO HDD1: WD BLACK 4 TB HDD2: 1 TB SSD: MP 600 2TB In eed RTX 3080 for ray tracing and i wil lget one when price and avaliability of it becomes normal.
He had me until "aircraft grade aluminum" which unfortunately is an actual thing. True aircraft grade aluminum has certification that proves that it is below a certain threshold of cracks and defects.
I finally got a 3080 and it's this model, it comes it a few days and super excited. Been wanting it since launch, finally get to upgrade from my titan x pascal.
Considering how the Asus TUF is like 350$ more here.. i will be skipping it for sure. I wonder why people keep saying its cheaper in other regions. Here its the most expensive card you can buy, before the 3090 that is. Military grade price for sure lol.
I work in a truck building company and we made some for the Norwegian Army. For us, military grade electric components are definded like following: The components have to get tested under load for hours and hours. There is a certain rule that says, if a elecric part doesn't break after a certain amount of time under load, it will last forever. Those trucks normally got tested before shipped out, wich is of course a time and money consuming process. However i doubt ASUS did that treatment to their cards.
"aircraft grade" does actually means something, it's a specific and substantially different thing than just random aluminum. I don't know about "military grade" but i thought it did originally mean it met some durability/endurance criteria for military purchasing - not that it was a high bar or anything
No it doesn't, there is no aircraft grade aluminum. Different aluminum alloys are preferred because of their mechanical properties, one of them is 6061, but none are produced specifically for aircrafts. Many bike companies also use 6061 and call it "aircraft grade" for marketing, it is total bs. Cans also are made from 6061, no one calls it can grade aluminum
In Australia it does. As an electrician I personally worked with some very good gear. The worst, most-likely-to-fail component was the clear plastic/orange plastic Clipsal industrial 10 amp and 15 Amp 240VAC inline sockets and plugs. Dropping them on the concrete was enough to smash one. The "Military grade" plugs and sockets were machined billet aluminium (not aircraft grade as that is, although strong, quite brittle). They used effective strain relief for the armoured cables that entered said units and wires were soldered, not screwed or crimped. I wish my house was defence grade electrical!
My guess is the components meet the relevant MIL-STD for whatever specs are relevant to the function of the device, be it vibration, noise, acceptable interference, etc
Aircraft grade aluminum means that it’s either t5 or t6 aluminum which is drastically different than t1-4. They are strength ratings based on the same thickness. Modern 757’s wing span couldn’t exist without T6 aluminum.
Military grade usually refers to an extended temperature range where the component retains it's rated spec. Sometimes other issues, like radiation, are include. In tanks, planes, boats, etc, this is very important. Engineers should know all about this terminology, I don't see why it's a point of levity.
@@GamersNexus Whatever you say about the components it's just baseless conjecture until you get a M4 and take some shots at the caps. I always thought that you guys tested the manufacturer's claims on behalf of the audience, Steven.
When I used to work in fasteners "Military Grade" usually just meant the components were compliant with an MIL specification. It did not mean they passed some battery of grueling tests that only the best of the best could endure, and got some military certificate. It simply meant certain components or materials needed to meet or exceed standards laid out in MIL guidelines. However adherence to these guidelines is not strictly governed, unless you are selling to a Military entity or Subcontractor thereof. So long as a component mfg can produce a lab report that indicates that the tests meet or exceed the performance and physical characteristics, then it's "Mil-spec". The only real caveat is that in order to call a components or a material "Mil Spec" you have to maintain all the traceability documents as to where you go it from and what you did to it. For example, you might be contracted to produce a special Bolt. The bolt itself is unique and custom and will not match any existing off the shelf design specs. But the customer may wish for it to be constructed per the Mil-S-1222 specification. This simply means that it will need to have certain dimensional tolerances and based on its diameter, length, head style etc. As well as have certain minimum tensile, shear, and yield strengths, be able to apply certain clamping forces etc. But it is up to you for example to know that the customers desire for ..let's say there to only be 1/4 inch of threads for a bolt of a given length diameter, may no longer be capable of withstanding the specified tensile force, and recommend an alteration, or a different one of the materials allowed by the spec. As far as you being allowed to say your new bolt is "military grade" you merely need to provide certificates of origin for the actual material (traceability) and your diagram and any internal dimensional and physical property testing you did in house yourself, that show the end result adheres to the spec. No one comes calling to force you to "prove the integrity" unless a fastener catastrophically fails. So you go get that lowest possible quality material from a vendor which can provide lab reports as to the chemical composition of the material (proof it meets the spec) for the lowest possible price. Let's say there are 5 grades of material in the spec (making up a number) and the second to lowest grade will do the job...you don't go buy the top level grade just because the Mil Spec says it is the best one for a given application. Esp when you need to do a min run of like 1/4 million screws or whatever. You make your screws, you do the dimensional testing in house, verify tolerances, and then get a 3rd party lab to take like 100 screws for every batch of a million, and do destructive analysis. The lab says your parts failed at a 150000 psi of shear force and the spec (Again making up a number) calls for 145000 BOOM you are mil-spec. tl;dr, Mil Spec just means you met the minimum possible guidelines of performance for the lowest possible unit cost and have the docs to prove you took the 10 extra minutes to send a couple off to a lab, and scan the material cert to a computer. it does NOT mean these are the best possible components that you can possibly construct. So in terms of a capacitor if I were to extrapolate, I would say the component mfg they sourced from has certs on file showing where they got the tantalum from, and has a lab report that says that a batch of x per y went to a lab and verified those 0.00000000% of the lot, satisfied minimum tests for conductivity, output, heat etc. So if you ask me... Mil Spec does not necessarily indicate HIGH quality ,so much as it indicates MINIMUM VIABLE quality. That being said those min guidelines typically but not always, do exceed to normal commercial standard. But this is a case by case thing, not a guarantee.
For those curious what "Military Grade" (or Mil-Spec) is, it means it passes the testing spec set fourth by the DOD ... which I believe is still MIL-STD-202 ( everyspec.com/MIL-STD/MIL-STD-0100-0299/MIL-STD-202G_2397/ ). In terms of capacitors, it usually means they have a longer time to failure, tighter tolerances, and higher temperature until failure. The specs may also indicate shielding and/or mounting package requirements. Jokes aside about cheapest bidder, it's usually best to choose Mil-Spec components if you can as they're often among the highest quality and don't cost that much more. So contracts are the cheapest bidder using these components .. you don't want to know what they'd be like with consumer grade components.
Military grade: everyone who has ever worked with Military grade equipment knows it's crappy term, it means made by the lowest bidder and worse than most of the equipment on the civilian market
*TUF Marketing...* When I bought my Z77 Sabertooth motherboard I did research into what "TUF" meant at the time. It meant a 5-year Warranty. A sampling of motherboards underwent a rigorous, 4-week testing cycle for the CPU, GPU outputs, USB etc to provide feedback for addressing any manufacturing issues. Fast forward to NOW and it seems like they are trading in mindshare for what "TUF" means for short term gains. So "TUF" will basically stop meaning much. I believe it's 3-year Warranty for graphics cards with the TUF name so I'm not clear if "TUF" means anything at all now.
I have the O10G-GAMING one. I have been very happy with it, it stays cool and runs silent. The only huge problem I had with it, was that it just wouldn't run at 100% utilisation without the Asus GPU Tweak 2 installed. No matter what I tried, I got around 40-80% usage in both games and benchmarks. After trying every other normal fix, I installed the program and ran the auto overclock thingy. Only then I started seeing full usage and benchmarks/in game FPS numbers that I would expect from a 3080. I have no idea why that is, but that's how it went for me.
@Gamers Nexus What did you use for the frequency testing? I just tested my 3080 TUF OC with the 3DMark Time Spy Stress Test and the frequency is bouncing between 1850 and 1905 MHz, which is at least 100 MHz lower than your results. How is that possible? What is wrong with my card? Temps seems to be the same at 63 degrees as so is the power draw at 339W.
I don't want to sound like a nerd, even though I will and am, but aircraft grade aluminium actually means something. Aluminium is NEVER pure aluminium, it's always used as an alloy. Aircraft grade aluminium is 7075-T6 which is much, much stronger than the 6061 normally used.
Just today got a pre-order update for my Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF from Overclocker.co.uk informing me I'm at "queue position 1882"... So I expect to see it delivered sometime after the next US President is inaugurated and not for my birthday, today.
this card kicks. I upgraded to this one (up from a Sapphire 5700xt) the Tuf ran fine for hours with a 750w psu, but I swapped out for an 850 watt I had laying around just to be sure.
If electronics claim "Military Specifications", look for a "MIL-PRF-#####" specification. It it's actually up to a specification, they'll list it. Otherwise it's legally-questionable puffery.
Do you think you could fit an AIO on the TUF without removing the Memory/VRM cooler? I know the GDDR6X runs very hot, so it'd be great to have a solution that we know is sufficient for a hybrid mod
you forgot aesthetics,even if I was gonna buy an nVidia card I wouldnt buy the gigabyte card that thing is ugly af, worst, way worse than that evga lipstick thing. I will wait for AMD never bought an AMD product in my life. This launch and the shady nonsense surrounding nvidia business practices ,noty. They are stupid to think people would not notice. Instead of creating desire or desperation I lost all interest in nvidia for the foreseeable future. I have an option, I will wait, for AMD.
i bad speak english but i know your channel very best just say me this card is GOOD? i see temp is very good a components? a fans? why need strix? why need wtf3 ultra?
As a military member and someone who has had dealings with military contracts in the past, "Military Grade" means "lowest cost bid". So I am never impressed when that is used as a marketing term and wish they would stop using it. Tells me something is cheap not stronng.
Do you plan on reviewing the zotac 3080 trinity? I already ordered it when I had a shot but I'd love to know if I ended up with an higher quality of lower quality 3080 Thanks for the reviews btw
Oh lucky me .... ordered one yesterday and got it today ... it´s real T___T .... And the price was also normal! I wish all you guys out there the best of luck to get one!
I've been looking forward to this review, as this is one of the new 3080 cards that will fit within my 12.3" clearance in my case for a GPU. To be purchased the day after hell froze over.
Edit: There are two versions of this card. This is the TUF-RTX3080-O10G-GAMING (OC - didn't mention that part of the SKU name, sorry), which has an MSRP of $730, but seems to be priced around $750... if it's ever available, anyway.
Back-order a GN toolkit here: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gamersnexus-tear-down-toolkit
Review of the Gigabyte RTX 3080 Eagle previously: th-cam.com/video/4ivWfdJs4BU/w-d-xo.html
Here's our airflow photography of how the Founders Edition cooler behaves: th-cam.com/video/VVaGRtX80gI/w-d-xo.html
Watch the RTX 3080 review here: th-cam.com/video/oTeXh9x0sUc/w-d-xo.html
RTX 3080 FE Tear-Down: th-cam.com/video/OX9Eh_NaC5c/w-d-xo.html
Previous 3080 review article: www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3618-nvidia-rtx-3080-founders-edition-review-benchmarks
Steve you can't just say the "ASUS RTX 3080 TUF is so badass we didn't even need to test it, and would be cool if used by the military. This is clearly built Tonka Tuf and that is all you need to know. 10/10" and call it a review.
Can you ask ASUS about the BIOS? The threshold for zero fan is 30W! And that means, that the fan wont stop if you connect two monitors (permanent over 30W). Other board partners have 50W. ASUS should fix that.
@@H1zN Will pass it along to them.
Well, ball bearings on the fans are actually a good selling point for me - I can't afford to buy a card every generation so it has to hold up for about 3-4 years without starting to sound like a freehub.
@@GamersNexus thank u very much. U as GN have the power to reach someone by ASUS 👍
Are the Modmats military grade?? asking for a friend..
ULTRA TOUGH MILITARY DURABLE MODMAT WITH SEAL TEAM NAVY MARINE RUBBER TECHNOLOGY
@@GamersNexus I'll take your whole stock.
@@GamersNexus InVEsT
@@GamersNexus TUF***
@@kyapox So none?
“... the product is actually not that bad performance wise,” translated from Stevelese, means “this is the best gpu to ever be released.” You’re welcome.
Well, technially, 3090 is a bit better. Not worth by any mean, but it is better.
@@Katniss218 I mean I dunno, if Steve is saying that a product is "not that bad" that **at least** means it's the best price/performance on the market certainly.
As a note, "Military grade" basically just means As cheap as possible but still meeting minimum reqs.
Veteran here. Can confirm. Lowest bidder wins contract for mass production.
The only thing that is missing is the flat, cracked and peeling green or tan paint.
Does it? I think they might be referring to the operating temps: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_temperature
Honestly that's just all of capitalism
Cheap for the manufacturer you mean.
Military grade when it comes to EEE components means that they can operate in a wider range of temperatures without failure. I don’t know if that actually matters for a GPU, but in my work developing componentry for spaceflight launch vehicles, Our resistors and caps must be certified back to the manufacturer with lot control information to ensure that it is indeed military grade and not generic or counterfeit
As a former military member hearing military grade is terrifying.
Cheapest bidder.
Yeah probably not the best term to use for reliability...
Doesn't it mean it costs 10x as much as it should?
@@RobBCactive in marketing terms yes. The public veiws military grade equipment as heavy duty. But in actuality, as Kyle said it's made by who can make it for the least amount of money. So cheap.
Military has a budget and they need to get as much as they can for as little as they can.
@@RobBCactive It means don’t get it wet.
"Military-grade" in marketing is the easiest way to guarantee that military folks will avoid your product like the plague.
and it's made by the cheapest bidder.
that was a military grade comment you made Jared
@@rosewell1983 I come by it honest.
I honestly shuddered as I read it. Fuck that noise
I'm sure people in the military are queueing up to buy 3080 TUFs
Been beyond happy with my Tuf gaming 3080 OC so far, but I'm really tempted to take my 9mm to it to test the "military grade".
at least its capacitors didnt surrender at the first challenge like some other cards.
@@captvimes mine crashed twice before the new patch just like all the other cards. that theory that the tuf cards crashed less because of their diff caps was debunked a while ago.
@@PabzRoz Damn where'd you score one of these? Been looking everywhere.
@@dustinjd Microcenter, waited in line on launch day.
"Military Grade" is a phrase that only sounds good to people who have no clue about military hardware.
Was looking for this. Saw "military grade" and was like "nope".
"built by the cheapest bidder"
Sure they are far from the actual military stuff which are built in crazy super tough boxes than can take a lot of punch, but they actually have a certificate for reliability where they test a lot of stuff which would be similar to military-grade stuff maybe, just not the way it's constructed for a normal PC would never be military grade, but they have many tests on a lot of stuff like salt spraying, solder bath and many, many other tests which have to pass so it means high reliability and it's usual to also come with a 5 year warranty on some of their stuff...
Just an example of the TUF reliability certificate: itwriter.ru/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/004-1.png (tests depend on the hardware some have less tests than others).
And Asus use this for quite a long years already, my PC is from 2011 and the motherboard is TUF (also has military-grade) and also comes with a reliability certificate, anyway my 2011 PC is still pretty alive even with super high OC on air and it's the only PC since the 90's that ever lasted me more than 5 years, nothing broke yet even with the I7 2600K max turbo 3.8 ghz OC to 4.9ghz with high voltage and the rams at 2133mhz which a lot of people had troubles using 2133mhz on other setups for DDR3...
For last the military also have normal PC's in the offices and whatever and I'm sure they like reliable components as they are also just normal desktops and not the super tough crazy custom computers to take into battle in airplanes, tanks and so on which cost a damn lot and are fully custom to take a lot of punch...
ps: It can all be a coincidence but this "reliable" board is lasting well...
Military grade OS is basically Windows XP
@@guily6669 r/whoosh
“the product is actually not that bad performance wise”, the Steve seal of approval 😁
LMFAO as a military veteran I could promise you that "military grade" doesn't mean a whole lot LMFAO. Usually means we overpaid for old technology.
haha, always amusing to see how the "target audience" reacts to the marketing!
@@GamersNexus "the cheapest that barely works" is how i describe "military grade" things
Military grade = whatever contractor came in with the lowest bid
Oh man, I was about to comment the same thing. Flimsier and cost 5 times as much as something you could buy at any store or something refurbished 10 times over already with no parts support.
more like IDGAF grade tech
To be fair Steve, the aluminum alloys used to build aircrafts have the Alclad treatment which is a layer of pure aluminum that's bonded to the surface to protect against corrosion. I work in a sheet metal company and we do not hold stocks of Alclad aluminum and coincidentally non of our clients are in the business of building aircrafts. So ''aircraft grade aluminum'' is a thing...
It is indeed a thing that is not used on these consumer products 😂😂
I agree, as an aircraft engineer. there is big difference between aircraft grade aluminum and general use aluminum
Work in the field as well. If only people knew how many grades there is to mert ISO certification
@@anthonymarquez2542 He's making a point.
Aircraft grade aluminum refers to a specific aluminum alloy, of which there are many. 6061 is a common version that is used with inexpensive products and is easy to manufacture. The 7000 series aluminum is nearly as hard as steel while still being lighter than titanium. It’s fairly expensive by comparison. Titanium is similar in that there are various grades depending on the use/need.
actually not that bad = the highest award for any product on gamers nexus!
"not as bad as other cards!" "certainly a video card" GAMERS NEXUS SEAL OF APPROVAL
GN: "actually not that mad"
Me: *furiously refreshing store page*
Seriously this. Is he so jaded that actual positive reviews are just not possible?
@@Dangles1337 Welcome to modern capitalism, quality products are basically nonexistant and we have to settle for whoever cut the least corners.
@@Dangles1337 it's just a matter of style. What's more interesting in the comparison between different cards. The 3600 and cpu got a strong recommendation once: so yeah if you give 6 core reasonable performance at 200€ you get that :-)
As an owner of this card almost 8 months (since it’s release in October 2020), I can provide this review: it works and I’ve not had any trouble with it. I bought this card as they went with an all MLCC cap setup for the GPU, which probably doesn’t mean as much as some folks said it did (re: power and frequency transition), but it indicated that Asus went to some extra effort. And that’s my whole impression of both the TUF 3080 and my TUF x570… it seems like they put some effort in. Having done a lot of recapping of vintage hardware, they are using good quality components, and they are using high-quality surface mount automation, as everything is very uniformly soldered. I don’t think any of it is really mil-spec, but I do think Asus has (at least for this line and above) chosen a RMA mitigation strategy of using slightly higher quality components and tight manufacturing processes to reduce returns and servicing costs.
I also have a PNY 3080, and while I’ve had no issues with that card either, it runs slightly hotter (especially memory), uses cheaper caps and, under magnification, is clearly not made with the same quality assembly equipment as the Asus board.
shud i upgrade from nvidia 3070 8gb FE to asus tuf 3080 12gb . please suggest. i have benq 1440p 144hz 27inch monitor
I have a tuf 3070 TI I bought for mining. Thermal pads they use are as thermally conductive as dirt you can find outside BUT if you change them yourself, it's the best design. I put copper shims on memories and since the memory has separate cooler, it had no effect on core temps yet reduced memory temps by 20c. Can't say the same thing about evga ftw3 as that one uses the main heatsink for everything. When I did the copper shim mod on ftw3 3070 TI and 3080, I ended up with higher core temps (no the copper isn't too thick to prevent core from touching the heatsink) Because of this better heatsink design, I recently bought a tuf 3080 and will replace the pads with a custom made copper plate soon.
@@CaptainScorpio24 if I were you I would save up my money for 4080 or 4090
@@Instead2 yess hv dropped the idea and I'm saving for 5070 at launch in 2024 . although if nvidia launches 16gb 4070 or 4070 ti as super series. i can pick that up to. my aim is 4070 ti or 4080 at discounted price wd no less than 16gb vram .
Steve's monster truck rally announcer rendition of "TUF!" made me LOL.
sunday sunday sunday !!!
This is the first time i saw LOL used in a literal sentence
@@b0nanz9_inc.9 well it wont be the last... LOL where u bin the last 15 years bro?
@@hgibbons69 now that's not a literal sentence 😂
i have GTX 970 since 2014 and still runs evrything at max settings 1440p 30+ fps!. in 2016 ugpraded monitor and psu in 2017 cpu ram motherboard and hdd and just 3 months ago i got a high end SSD the MP 600 2TB. But gtx 970 still a monster! My pc now is CPU: RYZEN 7 1700
RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS
GPU: GTX 970 G1 GAMING
MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS PRIME X370 PRO
HDD1: WD BLACK 4 TB
HDD2: 1 TB
SSD: MP 600 2TB
In eed RTX 3080 for ray tracing and i wil lget one when price and avaliability of it becomes normal.
take a drink for every comment that has the word "military" in it.
I came for the comment section, and got liver failure.
"NIST-traceable scanner": love the attention to detail here. You guys are bringing a scientific legitimacy to this testing content you simply dont see anywhere else. Keep it up yall.
....that being said, you really missed an opportunity to call it a "Military-Grade Scanner".
What content? These cards don't exist for the public. Might as well be reviewing GE power plants.
@@ionseven I would LOVE to see power plant reviews/teardowns dude.
Its not like GN has any control over 3080 stock. And they slowed their review cycle because there is no stock. This content will be relevant to the consumer in the future when supply meets demand.
@@ionseven Would be nice if Nvidia just delayed the 3070 some more so they could catch up on all of these orders first
"Military grade" - we took normal components, slapped "military grade" on them and added a "0" to the price.
No you really didn’t, and if you did you belong in a federal prison.
As someone who served in the military, let me tell you, whenever we hear “Military grade”, we can only think ‘bare minimum’!
I would agree with this statement. Unless it is hardened against EMP I wouldn't expect anything special from "military grade".
i have GTX 970 since 2014 and still runs evrything at max settings 1440p 30+ fps!. in 2016 ugpraded monitor and psu in 2017 cpu ram motherboard and hdd and just 3 months ago i got a high end SSD the MP 600 2TB. But gtx 970 still a monster! My pc now is CPU: RYZEN 7 1700
RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS
GPU: GTX 970 G1 GAMING
MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS PRIME X370 PRO
HDD1: WD BLACK 4 TB
HDD2: 1 TB
SSD: MP 600 2TB
In eed RTX 3080 for ray tracing and i wil lget one when price and avaliability of it becomes normal.
Ballas bak - hurry up and wait = SANDF
It depends. It probably means specced to survive prolonged storage at +85C, but that they left off the requirement to survive being handled by a minimum wage forklift jocky.
Who knew that Yogscast really was more delicate than the average fork lift operator...
agreed
While I'm not always concerned with every aspect of the topics you cover (ex. overclocking an already high-end GPU with short ceiling) I don't think there's anywhere else I can find things like pressure map comparisons between card dyes. Thanks for all the hard work you and your team do to provide a thorough analysis of PC/Gaming products! It's immensely helpful for purchasing decisions.
It has tire marks on it because you will get run over by everyone else trying to finally buy a 3080.
Sitting on the toilet, LOLing
"Military Grade" is code for "cheep enough to be blown up at no loss to the budget", what you want are "Medical Grade" or "Automotive Grade" parts, these are head and shoulders better than the ones slated for Military use.
I was just watching JayzTwoCents say you would make a teardown and just a minute ago you delivered!
Finally saw one of these in person the other day. This card is beautiful, one of the nicest looking AIB cards I have seen in a long time. And the thermals are incredible. And it's not power hungry like some of the other 3080's all the while offering the same if not better performance. Well done Asus.
You're one of the only people I've seen say this. I personally find this ugly
I have military-grade constipation after all those government cheese sandwiches
Aren't you supposed to eat 2 crayons for flavor & nutritional value, plus ease of movement?
Bro I was a cook in the Navy a few years ago, the ground beef we would receive was Grade D quality. Typically it was stamped with things like, "REJECTED BY FEDERAL PRISONS, or REJECTED BY THE ARMY." Lmao
@@TonyC2328 That makes you wonder why youre even bothering to defend a country with your life, that thinks its a justified appreciation to give you food that even prisoners wouldnt eat.
@@Chuckiele fighting for oil is actually amazing
You know, Ive never really realized the actual value and effort that the GN guys go through to make these videos. From the "Chapters/Segments" throughout the timeline, to the "loading bar" on the right hand side of the screen showing how much longer is left in that segment, to the sheer amount of data collection and testing that goes on.
Absolutely invaluable to the consumers.
To quote Jeremy Clarkson: 'it's made form 'aluminum'.. whatever that is'
Aloominium !
Another one: "The Americans are bad at many things like they can't spell aluminium... or they can't win a war without our help but they are good at making boring sports entertaining."
Aluminum is an American invention. Americans (Charles Hall) formed the Alcoa company and manufactured it,making it usable as a material. Like everything good in the world Americans made it and brits complain about it.
@@blutkind9202 Unfortunately IUPACC agreed the name was Aluminium, Brits have to put up with Sulfur instead of Sulphur now.
@@andrewcharlton4053 butchering a language "because you can" is more an indictment of US superiority complex than a direct result of British choice of breakfast foods. If you need to feel superior maybe you could spawn a company that understands that science requires an understanding and active use of the metric system, something you showed you don't have a clue about when you ran a satellite into Mars. While you insist on using imperial units you are perpetuating British rule over your lives. Inches, pounds, ounces, gallons, miles etc who are you kidding? You are more English than the Canadians by far... You just can't see it because of said superiority complex. BTW a big army can make you powerful, it can also make you a bully. Which do you think you are perceived as?
22:41 There was a little oversight. There are two different types of fans installed on this card. The outer fans rotate counterclockwise, the inner fan clockwise. Therefore they should have different part numbers.
You should check the part numbers yourself anyways. Even if you're only replacing the middle fan.
Nvidia .. the 30 series will be "widely available" .. soon .. just as 40 series releases. 👍🤬
Military grade=does not explode when touched, but coughing in its vicinity is probably stretching it.
Can survive contact with the Earth's atmosphere.
Ex military, "military grade" usually means "the cheapest we could get away with".
I like the ASUS lineup of 3080's, just for the fact that they have 2 HDMI outs. If you are using several monitors, the extra option for output is worth some of the downsides.
these days hdmi is capable of a lot, like 4K 60Hz and more, which should be enough for most things
You can only use up to 4 display outs anyway. This card essentially is still a 4-display out. You can just use the extra HDMI in lieu of another port. Some people might find that useful.
Oh you mean just like the cheaper gigabyte Eagle?
@@janklaassen6404 Asus TUF is 699$ MSRP, how is the eagle cheaper?
As someone in the military I can safely say “Military Grade” equates to: just good enough, cheap, and widely available; not very remarkable.
please be advised, military contracts go to the lowest bidder... 🤦🏻♂️
that actually is very true i used to work armed security and the company would bid on goverment housing contracts and like you said lowest bidder wins, plus like someone else said military grade is just over paid parts
That was true for boots and packs but not at all true about main electrical distribution equipment. Australia may differ to other countries in this respect, i couldn't say.
That's just stupid. What really matters is if it was "Swiss Army Grade",
That's the real measurement of the mashta wace.
Ur forgetting the thermal paste 🤣
Damn, within the first minute this GPU already earns the official "Not That Bad" Certification from GN. No need to watch the rest of the video I guess ;)
Still best built and perfomance/temp wise RTX 3080. My Asus TUF 3080 OC is 1 year already, surviving New World at 4k Ez
Mine too. Amazing card. Happy I got it when it first came out at $750.
shud i upgrade from nvidia 3070 8gb FE to asus tuf 3080 12gb . please suggest. i have benq 1440p 144hz 27inch monitor
As a veteran, 'military grade' means crappy, old, overpriced equipment made by the lowest bidder.
Never buy 'military grade' anything.
The military grade spec has literally nothing to do with equipment used by the military. It's a testing procedure to make sure it can withstand things like shock, vibration, extreme temps and overvoltage etc...
@@monkfishy6348 the MILSPEC standards determine the durability of the equipment in the field (water, dust, shock, temps, humidity, pressure, etc...). So yes, the standards have everything to do with "equipment used by the military".
Maybe do a bit of research.
Specially “military condom...” unless you want a baby and your partner said no. Lmao
I was in the military and honestly anything deemed as “military grade” scares the shit out of me. Nothing in the military is high quality 😂😂😂
Except the caskets, sadly
Dual balls is better. Can confirm
i have GTX 970 since 2014 and still runs evrything at max settings 1440p 30+ fps!. in 2016 ugpraded monitor and psu in 2017 cpu ram motherboard and hdd and just 3 months ago i got a high end SSD the MP 600 2TB. But gtx 970 still a monster! My pc now is CPU: RYZEN 7 1700
RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS
GPU: GTX 970 G1 GAMING
MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS PRIME X370 PRO
HDD1: WD BLACK 4 TB
HDD2: 1 TB
SSD: MP 600 2TB
In eed RTX 3080 for ray tracing and i wil lget one when price and avaliability of it becomes normal.
Remember the time where GPUs of this caliber used to cost around 350 dollars/euros? I do.
I guess the gpu was that good when the nitpicks are mostly around the marketing and fan shroud.
The GPU was overhyped like crazy and totally not worth the buyout it is driving atm
@@anthonymarquez2542 Nothing either in this video no in real world benchmarks would lead to that conclusion.
So EVGA is a better GPU?
Military: We paid $50,000 for this product.
**Product that broke while a Service Member was utilizing it.**
Military: That's going to cost you $200,000.
Just thinking about those shitty up-armored humvees circa 2007 makes my butthole twitch. The sheer number of hours spent keeping those steel-shrouded shitboxes functional is humbling.
I mean, I could have learned another language or picked up a PhD with less hours spent.
Why I drive a Japanese car now. I want to stick the key in and turn it on. No daily, weekly, monthly, semi-annual, or annual PMCS.
Never mind the battle rifles that jam when exposed to dust...
Miss me with that "military grade" nonsense.
"military grade capacitors"
from my experience w/ military contracts, its gonna be the cheapest shit they could get and still overspend on
Look at the controversy over the new M17/18 pistols. Apparently the manufacturer (Sig) undercut the competition (Glock) by such a significant margin that they literally just stopped the trials early.
i have GTX 970 since 2014 and still runs evrything at max settings 1440p 30+ fps!. in 2016 ugpraded monitor and psu in 2017 cpu ram motherboard and hdd and just 3 months ago i got a high end SSD the MP 600 2TB. But gtx 970 still a monster! My pc now is CPU: RYZEN 7 1700
RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS
GPU: GTX 970 G1 GAMING
MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS PRIME X370 PRO
HDD1: WD BLACK 4 TB
HDD2: 1 TB
SSD: MP 600 2TB
In eed RTX 3080 for ray tracing and i wil lget one when price and avaliability of it becomes normal.
He had me until "aircraft grade aluminum" which unfortunately is an actual thing. True aircraft grade aluminum has certification that proves that it is below a certain threshold of cracks and defects.
I'd prefer capacitors from Nippon Chemi-Con, not this military-grade rubbish.
Nippon steel is the best steel...
"Military Grade" = we used the lowest bidder for these components. GOOD LUCK BOOTS! Be sure to drink some Monster and smoke some cigs!
I finally got a 3080 and it's this model, it comes it a few days and super excited. Been wanting it since launch, finally get to upgrade from my titan x pascal.
How is it? Mine arrives next week.
Considering how the Asus TUF is like 350$ more here.. i will be skipping it for sure. I wonder why people keep saying its cheaper in other regions.
Here its the most expensive card you can buy, before the 3090 that is. Military grade price for sure lol.
It was only 50 bucks more than founders msrp when I got one
Military grade = as cheap as possible...
paralaxa they use the expensive capacitors so....
Jonathan Soko - I think it’s just a joke bruh.
I work in a truck building company and we made some for the Norwegian Army. For us, military grade electric components are definded like following: The components have to get tested under load for hours and hours. There is a certain rule that says, if a elecric part doesn't break after a certain amount of time under load, it will last forever. Those trucks normally got tested before shipped out, wich is of course a time and money consuming process.
However i doubt ASUS did that treatment to their cards.
"aircraft grade" does actually means something, it's a specific and substantially different thing than just random aluminum. I don't know about "military grade" but i thought it did originally mean it met some durability/endurance criteria for military purchasing - not that it was a high bar or anything
No it doesn't, there is no aircraft grade aluminum. Different aluminum alloys are preferred because of their mechanical properties, one of them is 6061, but none are produced specifically for aircrafts. Many bike companies also use 6061 and call it "aircraft grade" for marketing, it is total bs. Cans also are made from 6061, no one calls it can grade aluminum
In Australia it does. As an electrician I personally worked with some very good gear. The worst, most-likely-to-fail component was the clear plastic/orange plastic Clipsal industrial 10 amp and 15 Amp 240VAC inline sockets and plugs. Dropping them on the concrete was enough to smash one. The "Military grade" plugs and sockets were machined billet aluminium (not aircraft grade as that is, although strong, quite brittle). They used effective strain relief for the armoured cables that entered said units and wires were soldered, not screwed or crimped. I wish my house was defence grade electrical!
My guess is the components meet the relevant MIL-STD for whatever specs are relevant to the function of the device, be it vibration, noise, acceptable interference, etc
Aircraft grade aluminum means that it’s either t5 or t6 aluminum which is drastically different than t1-4. They are strength ratings based on the same thickness. Modern 757’s wing span couldn’t exist without T6 aluminum.
Military grade usually refers to an extended temperature range where the component retains it's rated spec. Sometimes other issues, like radiation, are include. In tanks, planes, boats, etc, this is very important. Engineers should know all about this terminology, I don't see why it's a point of levity.
Because it's totally irrelevant in a video card when parts not marketed as "military grade" are often better or equivalent.
Yea I was going to say that but I dont think we need -60C to 150C components in GPU lol.
@@GamersNexus Whatever you say about the components it's just baseless conjecture until you get a M4 and take some shots at the caps. I always thought that you guys tested the manufacturer's claims on behalf of the audience, Steven.
It is not a panasonic tough book that is going in service. 😁
Now, that's a confirmation.
When Steve says, something "Not Bad", in reality, its actually,
"GREAT" !
That intro is the reason I hate marketing.... Lol.
When I used to work in fasteners "Military Grade" usually just meant the components were compliant with an MIL specification. It did not mean they passed some battery of grueling tests that only the best of the best could endure, and got some military certificate. It simply meant certain components or materials needed to meet or exceed standards laid out in MIL guidelines. However adherence to these guidelines is not strictly governed, unless you are selling to a Military entity or Subcontractor thereof. So long as a component mfg can produce a lab report that indicates that the tests meet or exceed the performance and physical characteristics, then it's "Mil-spec". The only real caveat is that in order to call a components or a material "Mil Spec" you have to maintain all the traceability documents as to where you go it from and what you did to it.
For example, you might be contracted to produce a special Bolt. The bolt itself is unique and custom and will not match any existing off the shelf design specs. But the customer may wish for it to be constructed per the Mil-S-1222 specification. This simply means that it will need to have certain dimensional tolerances and based on its diameter, length, head style etc. As well as have certain minimum tensile, shear, and yield strengths, be able to apply certain clamping forces etc. But it is up to you for example to know that the customers desire for ..let's say there to only be 1/4 inch of threads for a bolt of a given length diameter, may no longer be capable of withstanding the specified tensile force, and recommend an alteration, or a different one of the materials allowed by the spec.
As far as you being allowed to say your new bolt is "military grade" you merely need to provide certificates of origin for the actual material (traceability) and your diagram and any internal dimensional and physical property testing you did in house yourself, that show the end result adheres to the spec. No one comes calling to force you to "prove the integrity" unless a fastener catastrophically fails.
So you go get that lowest possible quality material from a vendor which can provide lab reports as to the chemical composition of the material (proof it meets the spec) for the lowest possible price. Let's say there are 5 grades of material in the spec (making up a number) and the second to lowest grade will do the job...you don't go buy the top level grade just because the Mil Spec says it is the best one for a given application. Esp when you need to do a min run of like 1/4 million screws or whatever. You make your screws, you do the dimensional testing in house, verify tolerances, and then get a 3rd party lab to take like 100 screws for every batch of a million, and do destructive analysis. The lab says your parts failed at a 150000 psi of shear force and the spec (Again making up a number) calls for 145000 BOOM you are mil-spec.
tl;dr, Mil Spec just means you met the minimum possible guidelines of performance for the lowest possible unit cost and have the docs to prove you took the 10 extra minutes to send a couple off to a lab, and scan the material cert to a computer. it does NOT mean these are the best possible components that you can possibly construct.
So in terms of a capacitor if I were to extrapolate, I would say the component mfg they sourced from has certs on file showing where they got the tantalum from, and has a lab report that says that a batch of x per y went to a lab and verified those 0.00000000% of the lot, satisfied minimum tests for conductivity, output, heat etc.
So if you ask me... Mil Spec does not necessarily indicate HIGH quality ,so much as it indicates MINIMUM VIABLE quality.
That being said those min guidelines typically but not always, do exceed to normal commercial standard. But this is a case by case thing, not a guarantee.
0:22😂
For those curious what "Military Grade" (or Mil-Spec) is, it means it passes the testing spec set fourth by the DOD ... which I believe is still MIL-STD-202 ( everyspec.com/MIL-STD/MIL-STD-0100-0299/MIL-STD-202G_2397/ ).
In terms of capacitors, it usually means they have a longer time to failure, tighter tolerances, and higher temperature until failure. The specs may also indicate shielding and/or mounting package requirements.
Jokes aside about cheapest bidder, it's usually best to choose Mil-Spec components if you can as they're often among the highest quality and don't cost that much more. So contracts are the cheapest bidder using these components .. you don't want to know what they'd be like with consumer grade components.
Military-grade? pfft. Waiting for the NASA certified rocket-grade capacitors.
So 20 years old that it can stand the real usage without getting broken while in space :)
I just purchased this gpu 3 weeks ago off ebay. It had horrible thermals but after a repad and repaste it's getting great temps.
My ASUS TUF OC reaches +195 on the core and +500 on memory, giving a clockboost stable on 2130-2145mhz!
Military grade: everyone who has ever worked with Military grade equipment knows it's crappy term, it means made by the lowest bidder and worse than most of the equipment on the civilian market
also easy to break and hard to repair
Makes fun of military grade capacitors marketing....doesn't mention the caps once? (Or did I miss something?)
I have always dreamed of being able to change gpu fans, can you imagine if we had a third party market where noctua sold their fans in this format?
*TUF Marketing...*
When I bought my Z77 Sabertooth motherboard I did research into what "TUF" meant at the time. It meant a 5-year Warranty. A sampling of motherboards underwent a rigorous, 4-week testing cycle for the CPU, GPU outputs, USB etc to provide feedback for addressing any manufacturing issues.
Fast forward to NOW and it seems like they are trading in mindshare for what "TUF" means for short term gains. So "TUF" will basically stop meaning much. I believe it's 3-year Warranty for graphics cards with the TUF name so I'm not clear if "TUF" means anything at all now.
I have the O10G-GAMING one. I have been very happy with it, it stays cool and runs silent. The only huge problem I had with it, was that it just wouldn't run at 100% utilisation without the Asus GPU Tweak 2 installed. No matter what I tried, I got around 40-80% usage in both games and benchmarks. After trying every other normal fix, I installed the program and ran the auto overclock thingy. Only then I started seeing full usage and benchmarks/in game FPS numbers that I would expect from a 3080. I have no idea why that is, but that's how it went for me.
what is your cpu bro
@Gamers Nexus What did you use for the frequency testing? I just tested my 3080 TUF OC with the 3DMark Time Spy Stress Test and the frequency is bouncing between 1850 and 1905 MHz, which is at least 100 MHz lower than your results. How is that possible? What is wrong with my card? Temps seems to be the same at 63 degrees as so is the power draw at 339W.
Review the Strix as well! I am most likely going to get that only because it would look better in my PC lol
this card is great.. but they should fire their marketing team
"military grade"? really? what is this, a razer keyboard?
“Military grade” in consumer products = Standard components with camo paint and “TOUGH” marketing
I don't want to sound like a nerd, even though I will and am, but aircraft grade aluminium actually means something. Aluminium is NEVER pure aluminium, it's always used as an alloy. Aircraft grade aluminium is 7075-T6 which is much, much stronger than the 6061 normally used.
I mean in fairness anyone who has seen anything actually "military grade" knows to stay far, FAR away.
Except for EEE
I get that it's a funny joke, but it actually means something when it comes to electronics
Just today got a pre-order update for my Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF from Overclocker.co.uk informing me I'm at "queue position 1882"... So I expect to see it delivered sometime after the next US President is inaugurated and not for my birthday, today.
Tech Jesus gives His wise words on "military-grade" marketing
this card kicks. I upgraded to this one (up from a Sapphire 5700xt) the Tuf ran fine for hours with a 750w psu, but I swapped out for an 850 watt I had laying around just to be sure.
That chemical paper pressure thing is amazing!! Thank you guys so much for adding it to your content.
If electronics claim "Military Specifications", look for a "MIL-PRF-#####" specification.
It it's actually up to a specification, they'll list it. Otherwise it's legally-questionable puffery.
Typically military-grade just means the lowest bidder for that particular component. So cheapest possible that still works.
Except for EEE. It actually does mean something substantial
Do you think you could fit an AIO on the TUF without removing the Memory/VRM cooler? I know the GDDR6X runs very hot, so it'd be great to have a solution that we know is sufficient for a hybrid mod
Military grade caps = better FPS in Battlefield. Or something like that.
you forgot aesthetics,even if I was gonna buy an nVidia card I wouldnt buy the gigabyte card that thing is ugly af, worst, way worse than that evga lipstick thing. I will wait for AMD never bought an AMD product in my life. This launch and the shady nonsense surrounding nvidia business practices ,noty. They are stupid to think people would not notice. Instead of creating desire or desperation I lost all interest in nvidia for the foreseeable future. I have an option, I will wait, for AMD.
Military grade: Hardened against nuclear blasts & EMP
2020: Lets put that to a test.
Yes I'm so excited another RTX 3080 video promoting something nobody can't get!
One of the best 3080s...good temperatures built like a tank. Still kicking afters 1000s of hours of gameplay
Your input really appreciated.
Thank you for sharing this.
I'll go with 3080 12g oc then
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i bad speak english
but i know your channel very best
just say me this card is GOOD?
i see temp is very good
a components?
a fans?
why need strix?
why need wtf3 ultra?
Nice work 😉👍
Even in Gamer Nexus 😂
And I am even in this channel
Military Grade = Lowest possible bidder, craptastic quality, and will probably break, burn, or blow up relatively quick. The 3 B's of Military Grade.
You should test the Gainward 3080 Phantom. Apparently that thing sounds like an F-104 Starfighter taking off at military power.
As a military member and someone who has had dealings with military contracts in the past, "Military Grade" means "lowest cost bid".
So I am never impressed when that is used as a marketing term and wish they would stop using it. Tells me something is cheap not stronng.
Do you plan on reviewing the zotac 3080 trinity? I already ordered it when I had a shot but I'd love to know if I ended up with an higher quality of lower quality 3080
Thanks for the reviews btw
TUF Bare Minimum OC Edition
Anyway, it's great if Asus comes back as it was
As someone who works in the military, I can assure you: military grade means it'll break in 3 weeks
Oh lucky me .... ordered one yesterday and got it today ... it´s real T___T .... And the price was also normal!
I wish all you guys out there the best of luck to get one!
I would love to see how the MSI RTX 3080 Ventus 3X OC would compare to the TUF and Eagle.
I wouldn't buy anything 'military-grade' just out of spite for that miserable excuse of marketing.
Can you guys do an actual recording of the noise levels? That would be super helpful compared to just a chart.
It's rumoured that the people who make MBTs tremble in fear when they hear 'military grade'
I spent the night at the Atlanta Micro Center and bought this card on launch day. Best purchase I've made!
How the heck do all these youtubers get some many video cards? I've been looking for weeks and not found one damn card in stock.
I've been looking forward to this review, as this is one of the new 3080 cards that will fit within my 12.3" clearance in my case for a GPU. To be purchased the day after hell froze over.