I agree in a way, though I think most people won’t take the effort to adjust it so I would appreciate them soft capping it. You’re right though, I’m glad it’s more dynamic and that people can have custom builds of sonic basically.
I'm also happy that its a slighter and not an on off toggle as I prefer Sonic to have some weight so I can only go down to like 25% and have a for my self far nicer control.
Yeah because 0 deceleration is way too fast for regular play. I think the definitive thing would also be to switch between power boost and regular boost with some kind of button press. Because there's many open zone challenges that feel too fast with the power boost on like some ring challenges, and on extreme you are permanently in power boost.
1:50-Do people just forget that Lost World brought back the spindash in a 3D game? To be fair the way levels were designed it barley felt like an actual one, but it was there
this is the fun kind of broken. the spindash is utterly insane. and i love it. it feels more like a sonic game when you make the physics bend to your will.
This kind of lossless/player freedom is necessary, it’s what people liked about the Adventure games and what we see in a lot of the fan games and it also has it’s roots in the Genesis games. Seeing as the spindash seems directly modeled after SA1 I think the director has committed to bringing this style of game design back where players can intuitively pull off crazy stuff, it was already partly in the game at launch but now it’s completely had its potential unlocked
@@islandboy9381 Why critique in the video what we all wanted. We want to get off the rails, do crazy stuff and go fast and have the zero velocity for all the crazy stuff. This is the SONIC we love. This is a risky move that paid off. NOW I WANT TO PLAY this game. I want bigger areas where I can skip, jump and risk a lot with these moves. Sonic is a racing game that we decide our course. This should be the NORM.
Yes I really don't get how the really old Genesis games got even this right where Sonic actually drops faster the longer he falls, my only guess is they don't want players complaining about Sonic having not enough control in the air in 3D to land on platforms.
This in particular is why Unleashed Sonic feels so good to control once you’ve mastered the button layout and systems. Every game since LW takes more from that game where Sonic has free lateral movement and low minimum takeoff, and it’s partially why the boost in Forces just felt like a retuned LW spindash
I think that’s how sonic canonically works aside from Archie sonic (Archie sonic basically can fly in base form) But I like the fact that sonic is slowly becoming like his Archie character (op)
I think it's intentional. Like Sonic is the fastest thing alive. If he went all out, he'd hurt a lot of things around him. So, him being light to me always felt like them showing that while he keeps getting stronger and faster, even while holding back, he still able to go at a speed that gravity can't stop him. Simply by using his acceleration technique, the boost and momentum to make up for how much he's holding back. Kinda gives perspective as to how it feels to be Sonic himself. It's not for everyone, but I always thought it was neat. Cause even in adventure, he was pretty crazy to move.
I love that they added so much customization and yeah I really hope they keep going with it because you can truly custom make your movement tailored for you. Next game can be so good if they put the time in.
Yes that i was looking for. The only way you'd be able to go fast is to constantly hit or hold the boost button. Maybe they did it this so you could have decent control over Sonic but having that option to increase base speed would be nice too.
I kinda like what Sonic Team did with the sliders, they heard all of the Soinc this, Sonic that, momentum, and they just said: Screw this, here, modify it as you want. I also like what they did with the Spindash, I would like it to be on Sonic's move as a base move in a balanced way, it is way too broken, but having it as an unlockeable powerful move for the endgame or New Game+ is not a bad idea.
That's something I always admired about Sonic Team, to acknowledge that some fans are right about some things. The fact that they also don't chase down Sonic-Fan games is great, but I wish they got more of those people in to make new Sonic Games.
This game truly revitalized the love for Sonic in the eyes of the public it seems. Finally a hit by them! Getting super hyped now that the biggest update is coming! Also, lmao the decel slider was really a "you can't handle the truth" play on their part and I loved that they made it possible to fully customize these gameplay elements because it's so bad to be stuck with a game that you like but the movement feels a bit weird every time you play, but now anyone can change that until they feel the controls to be just the way they like it, sick af.
Yeah and by the same logic as him viewing Generations as having spindash (asuming he didn't count drifting) forces' Classic Sonic also had spindash making that timeline graph completely wrong
The sliders are fantastic. Being able to choose if you wanna go nyoooming around the map is one of the best updates we could have gotten. Excited to see how the Any% run changes now and how low it'll go.
The only thing that bothers me about going fast is that when there are structures designed for closed platforms, Sonic has no brakes and unless you adjust it the only way to slow down is the sudden change of movement or the stomp (with the possibility of sliding by mistake)
Here's the thing about the idea of "too far" and "not made for it": The dev team, 100%, knows it. They they were patching big skips and other important stuff, and they definitely limited how far down deceleration can go. Them choosing not to, choosing to let the player break the physics engine if they wanted, seems like a deliberate choice. And frankly, more power to them--they're giving players options, and I am HERE for it.
You say generations was the last game that had the spindash with classic sonic, but lost world had the spin dash too; although being pretty different, and forces had classic sonic in it as well so it also has the spin dash.
It doesn't break the game. It makes the game BETTER. Now THIS IS a Sonic game where we could go off the rail and come up with amazing speed runs. THIS IS FUN.
this update is so good:: I, and some other runners were just completely burnt out on sonic frontiers but low deceleration + spindash is such a game changer. and I whille I think it's a little *too* broken at times, I think this update was for the better. genuinely super hyped for update 3! I cant wait to see all the stuff they add to the game. and great video as always :D
I like these settings better. Sonic is supposed to be fast and making him go fast should ALWAYS be a plus. and it's optional too, so if you can't control it or want a slower experience you can and the game never forces a certain speed to players which is honestly one of the best things a game can do.
Fun fact the spin dash can scale invincible walls. INVINCIBLE WALLS! ( I was missing around in 2-2 trying to find an incline that would lunch high up accidentally I spin dash into the invincible wall and I scaled it and died I took footage of it in the switch but couldn’t go through the wall in the footage)
i mean gens was literally made with the series history in mind. also they've explained in interviews how frontiers was changed for casuals, with weird stuff like the infinite parry and puzzles. in terms of the dlc though, yeah it's def a gift for us fans
3:06 the reason why it happens is because the spin dash is programmed to literally disable gravity for 0.35 seconds when it goes airborne and the ground angle tolerance for it to consider the player as grounded is just 15 degrees so going airborne with it is very easy, couple that with the low fall speed which is even lower in cyberspace and the floaty gravity in Frontiers and we get the all of those crazy skips that people are doing
the spindash is so broken fr! you can get absolutely flung off of small ramps and you can save speed by boosting out of a spindash mid-air! you basically get a buffed airdash. i managed to make it to the small islands past rhea with the spindash off of the first windmill. i noticed some dash rings and a ramp that launch you back onto rhea. the island was missing a couple of textures and you could see through chunks of it. i had alot of fun with the spindash!
I've never really taken speedrunning seriously, just doing casual sm64 and odyssey runs, but if frontiers ng+ become the main category, I might have to start running this game
"Allowing players to move this setting to zero is too far" I disagree. I LOVE a game with a good sense of speed and/or movement system. Seeing this footage of what's possible only makes me want the game more so I can experiment around with how far the game will let me go and how much freedom it gives with a bit of creativity (also something I love)
1:51 Erm, ackshually, the spindash last appeared in Sonic Forces, which released in 2017, through classic Sonic. But if we refer to its use by Modern Sonic, that would be lost world. ☝️🤓
I hope the next update smooths out the decorative terrain that constantly snags you and breaks your speed. Like those little stone triangles on the ground. They don't need collision for every crevasse please. Just make a general flat plane over them.
1:51 It's kind of wild that all those games on that list did have the spindash (Yep even Lost World)...Just it's been even longer since there was a game with an enjoyable spindash.
You want the crazy fast gameplay of no deceleration? Set the slider to 0. You want the simple slower more controlled gameplay of deceleration? Keep it max. You want somewhere in between? Set in somewhere in between.
Fact how I’m the first person to mention about NG+ lol and fact how the deceleration while jumping does a hell of a change to open zone especially great video dude
Yes it is. The way momentum works with it kinda snaps the entire game in twain depending on your game settings and lets you skip 70% of most Cyberspace levels by finding a decent speed bump and let me bluntly cheat 3 of the 5 Final Horizon towers by exploding upwards off a wall as if I was playing Sonic Adventure 2 and just kinda rolling 500 miles through the air to land on the summits.
I hate how they put spin dash in almost every other sonic game, but they lock spin dash in sonic frontiers behind a 40 S rank wall, in my eyes it’s not worth it to me.
I played with a physics revamp that removed air deceleration since my first playthrough, and having the option to do so without mods is so crazy to me. It feels amazing to play, I love it!! The only thing I would change now imo would be Sonic's terminal velocity, he does fall quite slow lol
The game is gonna be completely different once update 3 comes out with the supposed revamped ending. Speedrunning the game might be different now but its gonna be crazy different once the final update drops.
"spindash hasn't been in a mainline sonic game for quite some time" *shows all games that have a spindash in them* (generations and forces have classic sonic and lost world just straight up has a spindash)
Tbf the wyvern escape skip being patched doesn't effect anything as long as the play NG+ as they can just momentum spindash off a rock at a correct angle or surface in order to reach the rocky terrain around the wyvern arena, which there are no invisible walls. So, in theory, they could then just drop in and spawn the boss, making the second island a joke in NG+. Theoretically, they could also slingshot to the area on a fresh normal save and do the same process. I assume that maybe they had been planning to patch the escape for a while as i realized in the Christmas update there is literally no invisible walls surrounding the wyvern arena area and it remained that way ever since. So runners will just have to route the escape out of runs in favor of jumping right to the boss, similar to Kronos. Assuming they aren't going for 100% run, that is.
You seem pretty knowledgeable on the games ins and outs. Can you concur that Update 1 changed some of the island's geometry? I've recently seen two people on a forum claim there's been subtle geometry changes on islands. In general im trying to gather as much positive stealth changes as possible throughout the updates, especially since there REALLY ARE some great stealth changes being done that makes me tight is being overlooked and getting basically no attention/recognition.
You know I haven’t heard much about this but I would love to know more/help out in the search! I’ve noticed small stuff like camera trigger changes and stuff but nothing about collision. For example Tower 1 on Rhea the camera trigger is totally different where we used to HSP in the Speedrun.
These are all good changes Also there is a skip in aries that allows you to battle wyvern without completing the knuckles quests. You just need to be in the arena and have a star fall lato event happen.
These changes almost feels a bit Like Sonic Team is going beware of what you wish for. The original game was a controlled balanced experience that the community wasn't entirely happy with so Sonic team decided to give options that would address the complaints but took them to the extreme. Want momentum? What if we gave you all the momentum.
Honestly the sliders were the best way they could have done it.
If you want the default settings leave at defaut.
If you want to go nuts go nuts.
I agree in a way, though I think most people won’t take the effort to adjust it so I would appreciate them soft capping it. You’re right though, I’m glad it’s more dynamic and that people can have custom builds of sonic basically.
@@DawnSRC Mayde adding a series of "recommended settings" would be a good way to help more people find the gameplay style they like the most.
I'm also happy that its a slighter and not an on off toggle as I prefer Sonic to have some weight so I can only go down to like 25% and have a for my self far nicer control.
Yeah because 0 deceleration is way too fast for regular play. I think the definitive thing would also be to switch between power boost and regular boost with some kind of button press. Because there's many open zone challenges that feel too fast with the power boost on like some ring challenges, and on extreme you are permanently in power boost.
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 "Too fast" you forgot what franchise this was
1:50-Do people just forget that Lost World brought back the spindash in a 3D game? To be fair the way levels were designed it barley felt like an actual one, but it was there
Spin dash in LW was elite, I loved using it there. Also, technically, spin dash was in all of the games he said didn't have it.
Forces AsWell
Becose hardly was a proper spindash, was more of a boost lite without a tension bar
It also brought the drop dash. Do people know this?
@@robertoalexandermendezmore408 So... The Frontiers Spin-Dash...
this is the fun kind of broken.
the spindash is utterly insane. and i love it.
it feels more like a sonic game when you make the physics bend to your will.
So like Mario kart Wii
I like being able to skip stuff with Sonic but this is too broken atleast on max settings
like it should be
This kind of lossless/player freedom is necessary, it’s what people liked about the Adventure games and what we see in a lot of the fan games and it also has it’s roots in the Genesis games. Seeing as the spindash seems directly modeled after SA1 I think the director has committed to bringing this style of game design back where players can intuitively pull off crazy stuff, it was already partly in the game at launch but now it’s completely had its potential unlocked
@@islandboy9381 Why critique in the video what we all wanted. We want to get off the rails, do crazy stuff and go fast and have the zero velocity for all the crazy stuff.
This is the SONIC we love. This is a risky move that paid off. NOW I WANT TO PLAY this game. I want bigger areas where I can skip, jump and risk a lot with these moves. Sonic is a racing game that we decide our course. This should be the NORM.
You could say that the game is reaching new frontiers.
😂
IM HERE
@@ThatOneAltAccount143REACHING FAR ACROSS THESE NEW FRONTIERS
WITH MY LIFE I FIGHT THIS FEAR, IN MY HANDS I HOLD THE ONES I LOVE!!! WALK THROUGH AND THROUGH THE COLD DAWN
@@collisionrifts4718 ALWAYS TO NEW HORIZONS!
The problem is gravity. Sonic's terminal velocity is absurdly low, he's floating like a feather
Yeah a problem I’ve had since adventure Era is how Sonic’s weight feels. I think that’s actually a really good way to put it.
Yes I really don't get how the really old Genesis games got even this right where Sonic actually drops faster the longer he falls, my only guess is they don't want players complaining about Sonic having not enough control in the air in 3D to land on platforms.
This in particular is why Unleashed Sonic feels so good to control once you’ve mastered the button layout and systems. Every game since LW takes more from that game where Sonic has free lateral movement and low minimum takeoff, and it’s partially why the boost in Forces just felt like a retuned LW spindash
I think that’s how sonic canonically works aside from Archie sonic
(Archie sonic basically can fly in base form)
But I like the fact that sonic is slowly becoming like his Archie character (op)
I think it's intentional. Like Sonic is the fastest thing alive. If he went all out, he'd hurt a lot of things around him. So, him being light to me always felt like them showing that while he keeps getting stronger and faster, even while holding back, he still able to go at a speed that gravity can't stop him. Simply by using his acceleration technique, the boost and momentum to make up for how much he's holding back. Kinda gives perspective as to how it feels to be Sonic himself.
It's not for everyone, but I always thought it was neat. Cause even in adventure, he was pretty crazy to move.
I only need one more thing, a slider for base running speed. Because my God, it's like he's lightly jogging.
I love that they added so much customization and yeah I really hope they keep going with it because you can truly custom make your movement tailored for you. Next game can be so good if they put the time in.
Is this in action mode?
@@DawnSRC he's talking about running speed when not boosting
yeah it sucks, they really should've just had it be at around sa1 running speed
Yes that i was looking for. The only way you'd be able to go fast is to constantly hit or hold the boost button. Maybe they did it this so you could have decent control over Sonic but having that option to increase base speed would be nice too.
I kinda like what Sonic Team did with the sliders, they heard all of the Soinc this, Sonic that, momentum, and they just said: Screw this, here, modify it as you want.
I also like what they did with the Spindash, I would like it to be on Sonic's move as a base move in a balanced way, it is way too broken, but having it as an unlockeable powerful move for the endgame or New Game+ is not a bad idea.
And that was the best thing they did. Player expression and dip switches (Allowing you to play how you want) is one of the best things a game can have
That's something I always admired about Sonic Team, to acknowledge that some fans are right about some things. The fact that they also don't chase down Sonic-Fan games is great, but I wish they got more of those people in to make new Sonic Games.
This game truly revitalized the love for Sonic in the eyes of the public it seems. Finally a hit by them! Getting super hyped now that the biggest update is coming! Also, lmao the decel slider was really a "you can't handle the truth" play on their part and I loved that they made it possible to fully customize these gameplay elements because it's so bad to be stuck with a game that you like but the movement feels a bit weird every time you play, but now anyone can change that until they feel the controls to be just the way they like it, sick af.
As someone who hasn't played Frontiers, I really appreciate how you explained things in a way that even I can understand! Great video!
Spamming Spindash to get to super high speeds? I guess this truly is an Adventure-Formula game. It's as if it never left
1:51 Lost World had spindash too
Yeah and by the same logic as him viewing Generations as having spindash (asuming he didn't count drifting) forces' Classic Sonic also had spindash making that timeline graph completely wrong
Should have clarified that it was 3D Sonic movement only I was talking about as it is pretty different imo
@@DawnSRC I see I see
@@DawnSRC Lost World also let's you use it in 3D?
@@DawnSRC looks like someone didnt play Lost World
The sliders are fantastic. Being able to choose if you wanna go nyoooming around the map is one of the best updates we could have gotten. Excited to see how the Any% run changes now and how low it'll go.
My thoughts and feelings on this game have been a roller coaster first excited than happy than dissappinted and now extremely happy again.
When I first saw the thumbnail I thought this was a smash video
Haha I can see it
The only thing that bothers me about going fast is that when there are structures designed for closed platforms, Sonic has no brakes and unless you adjust it the only way to slow down is the sudden change of movement or the stomp (with the possibility of sliding by mistake)
Here's the thing about the idea of "too far" and "not made for it":
The dev team, 100%, knows it.
They they were patching big skips and other important stuff, and they definitely limited how far down deceleration can go.
Them choosing not to, choosing to let the player break the physics engine if they wanted, seems like a deliberate choice.
And frankly, more power to them--they're giving players options, and I am HERE for it.
1:53 In 2017, Classic Sonic had the spin dash and if you wanna go even further, the Spike wisp power up in Colors Ultimate has the spin dash.
You say generations was the last game that had the spindash with classic sonic, but lost world had the spin dash too; although being pretty different, and forces had classic sonic in it as well so it also has the spin dash.
This speedrun stuff for this game is mad entertaining
Another Dawn certified banger™
Great video, god I love how powerful the spindash and deceleration are they're making the game feel way more fun!
Great editing work Traitor! We only going to get better from here 😤
I absolutely love how much freedom this game gets by allowing sonic to zip endlessly across levels.
I'd love to see a speedrun category where you do the base game followed by NG +
It doesn't break the game. It makes the game BETTER. Now THIS IS a Sonic game where we could go off the rail and come up with amazing speed runs.
THIS IS FUN.
You could say these updates are a one-way dream.. Fantastic video as always, Dawn! You're a legend!.
I guess you can now do that skydive cutscene in game
this update is so good:: I, and some other runners were just completely burnt out on sonic frontiers but low deceleration + spindash is such a game changer. and I whille I think it's a little *too* broken at times, I think this update was for the better.
genuinely super hyped for update 3! I cant wait to see all the stuff they add to the game. and great video as always :D
These changes plus Update 3 is going to be so fun I swear. Ty for always pushing the runs! Been cool to watch you progress.
All we need is longer lasting sonic trails to look behind us and see exactly how we traversed in iconic to classic and modern sonic
Can't wait for tails ,knuckles and amy speedruns.
Super excited to see how Speedrunners handle the different gameplay styles! (Also just to play it as an adventure fan)
I see it as a win tbh, is like "Play the game in your own style"
So sonic finally moves in game as he does in canon. Thank god
"generations is the last game with the spindash"
...
It was in lost world and forces
I like these settings better. Sonic is supposed to be fast and making him go fast should ALWAYS be a plus. and it's optional too, so if you can't control it or want a slower experience you can and the game never forces a certain speed to players which is honestly one of the best things a game can do.
Fantastic video as always, Dawn! You're a legend!
Just so you remember, cuz you seem to have forgotten:
Spindash was in lost world
You could say these updates are a one-way dream.
Holy lord i did not know how broken this game was with spin dash involved now and the new patchs and up dates this is amazing
I just want a mode that allows me to replay boss fights without having to go through the entire game again
They made Battle Rush! It’s pretty cool!
Spindash hasnt been included in a mainline sonic game for a long time
*also proceeds to show sonic lost world* 1:53
Speed running in such a way is exactly what sonic would do...
They only gotta add Chao gardens back and the game is complete.
altho, spin dash was in lost world too, and it was kinda similar to frontiers spindash in the sense that you can just maintain it indefinitely
Fun fact the spin dash can scale invincible walls. INVINCIBLE WALLS! ( I was missing around in 2-2 trying to find an incline that would lunch high up accidentally I spin dash into the invincible wall and I scaled it and died I took footage of it in the switch but couldn’t go through the wall in the footage)
I feel like frontiers is the first 3D sonic game that was truly made for the fans
i mean gens was literally made with the series history in mind. also they've explained in interviews how frontiers was changed for casuals, with weird stuff like the infinite parry and puzzles. in terms of the dlc though, yeah it's def a gift for us fans
@@ctpp64 well sonic isn’t a fighting game so I can understand them not making the combat too hard. It’s a kids game not dark souls.
Adventure 1,2 and Generations:
3:06 the reason why it happens is because the spin dash is programmed to literally disable gravity for 0.35 seconds when it goes airborne and the ground angle tolerance for it to consider the player as grounded is just 15 degrees so going airborne with it is very easy, couple that with the low fall speed which is even lower in cyberspace and the floaty gravity in Frontiers and we get the all of those crazy skips that people are doing
"Happy birthday Sonic and Sonic fans. You wanted M-SPEED, WE FU|||||||||N LISTENED!!!"
the spindash is so broken fr! you can get absolutely flung off of small ramps and you can save speed by boosting out of a spindash mid-air! you basically get a buffed airdash.
i managed to make it to the small islands past rhea with the spindash off of the first windmill. i noticed some dash rings and a ramp that launch you back onto rhea. the island was missing a couple of textures and you could see through chunks of it. i had alot of fun with the spindash!
I've never really taken speedrunning seriously, just doing casual sm64 and odyssey runs, but if frontiers ng+ become the main category, I might have to start running this game
NG+ is very popular right now! Would recommend checking out Toddo’s runs!
Its really funny how completely breaking frontiers made it loads more fun, at least for me
1:51 spin dash was in both versions of lost world
I absolutely loved this update :D
I like how he goes “this was the Last time Spindash was a thing,” followed by 2 other Games with the Spindash 😂
its so funny sonic team can't decide how sonics momentum should be so they just said screw it you can break it yourself
Flying around is very un-Sonic.
"Allowing players to move this setting to zero is too far"
I disagree. I LOVE a game with a good sense of speed and/or movement system. Seeing this footage of what's possible only makes me want the game more so I can experiment around with how far the game will let me go and how much freedom it gives with a bit of creativity (also something I love)
1:51 Erm, ackshually, the spindash last appeared in Sonic Forces, which released in 2017, through classic Sonic. But if we refer to its use by Modern Sonic, that would be lost world. ☝️🤓
I like the that you can listen to previous sonic osts
Lore accurate sonic isn't real, he cant hurt you.
Lore accurate sonic:
I hope the next update smooths out the decorative terrain that constantly snags you and breaks your speed. Like those little stone triangles on the ground. They don't need collision for every crevasse please. Just make a general flat plane over them.
In chaos island I legit just boost jumped from the ground onto the floating platform with tails because I had the jump deceleration set to 0
1:51 It's kind of wild that all those games on that list did have the spindash (Yep even Lost World)...Just it's been even longer since there was a game with an enjoyable spindash.
You want the crazy fast gameplay of no deceleration? Set the slider to 0.
You want the simple slower more controlled gameplay of deceleration? Keep it max.
You want somewhere in between? Set in somewhere in between.
This is lore accurate Sonic.
Fact how I’m the first person to mention about NG+ lol and fact how the deceleration while jumping does a hell of a change to open zone especially great video dude
Yes it is. The way momentum works with it kinda snaps the entire game in twain depending on your game settings and lets you skip 70% of most Cyberspace levels by finding a decent speed bump and let me bluntly cheat 3 of the 5 Final Horizon towers by exploding upwards off a wall as if I was playing Sonic Adventure 2 and just kinda rolling 500 miles through the air to land on the summits.
Yeah I'm curious how they will balance it in the sequel to Frontiers/Open Zone gameplay.
Ay Dawn back at it again with another banger upload!
After ŕeading the scripts and leaks of update 3 BABY THIS GAME.....
PEAK JUST PEAK
Update 3 is going to be so crazy lol. Can’t get here soon enough
The ending to going to finally what it should be 🎉
it be really crazy if we saw hyper Sonic in 3 update
honestly this is just lore accurate sonic
sonic forces had spin dashes for the young sonic parts
I hate how they put spin dash in almost every other sonic game, but they lock spin dash in sonic frontiers behind a 40 S rank wall, in my eyes it’s not worth it to me.
"Sonic will never be able to fly"
Sonic flying:
Spindash was in Lost World, in fact, it is probably what this version of the spindash was based on
These updates is what keeps Sonic Frontiers from dying, I am so happy.
I played with a physics revamp that removed air deceleration since my first playthrough, and having the option to do so without mods is so crazy to me. It feels amazing to play, I love it!! The only thing I would change now imo would be Sonic's terminal velocity, he does fall quite slow lol
I think more than destroy it, breathes new life into it
No kidding. Now I can completely Spin Dash through 1-2 and get an S rank with ease.
I feel like next week is when a speed run war will break ou,t as from what I have seen, the final island will be exdended massively
I love the new sliders settings
The game is gonna be completely different once update 3 comes out with the supposed revamped ending. Speedrunning the game might be different now but its gonna be crazy different once the final update drops.
prehaps there planning to get rid of the boost mechanic and just use spin dash like the adventure games did
I’m not sure if I can see them getting rid of boost but I can see both being present from here on after Frontiers!
Boost is completely obsolote now, or only keep the air dash
Keep boost as air dash or have a stronger boost be Super Sonic exclusive ability.
"spindash hasn't been in a mainline sonic game for quite some time" *shows all games that have a spindash in them* (generations and forces have classic sonic and lost world just straight up has a spindash)
Tbf the wyvern escape skip being patched doesn't effect anything as long as the play NG+ as they can just momentum spindash off a rock at a correct angle or surface in order to reach the rocky terrain around the wyvern arena, which there are no invisible walls. So, in theory, they could then just drop in and spawn the boss, making the second island a joke in NG+.
Theoretically, they could also slingshot to the area on a fresh normal save and do the same process. I assume that maybe they had been planning to patch the escape for a while as i realized in the Christmas update there is literally no invisible walls surrounding the wyvern arena area and it remained that way ever since.
So runners will just have to route the escape out of runs in favor of jumping right to the boss, similar to Kronos. Assuming they aren't going for 100% run, that is.
1:44 The spindash has been in Generations, Lost world and Forces
Well, it may be a buggy mess, but it's a FUN buggy mess, so we let it slide. And roll. And gain speed off of its jumps, without decelerating it.
Hey, remember when Sonic games didn't need an update to feel good to control?
I do...
1:50 all of those games had the spindash. Lost World even allowed you to do it in 3D sections.
if there's one lesson from Frontiers Sonic Team & fangame makers need to take, is that Physic Sliders in 3D Sonic need to stay
You seem pretty knowledgeable on the games ins and outs. Can you concur that Update 1 changed some of the island's geometry? I've recently seen two people on a forum claim there's been subtle geometry changes on islands. In general im trying to gather as much positive stealth changes as possible throughout the updates, especially since there REALLY ARE some great stealth changes being done that makes me tight is being overlooked and getting basically no attention/recognition.
You know I haven’t heard much about this but I would love to know more/help out in the search! I’ve noticed small stuff like camera trigger changes and stuff but nothing about collision. For example Tower 1 on Rhea the camera trigger is totally different where we used to HSP in the Speedrun.
0:39 Ok I need to know HOW
This is a completely different game now and I’m all for it
These are all good changes
Also there is a skip in aries that allows you to battle wyvern without completing the knuckles quests. You just need to be in the arena and have a star fall lato event happen.
1:50 Lost World AND Forces both feature the Spin Dash lol
These changes almost feels a bit Like Sonic Team is going beware of what you wish for. The original game was a controlled balanced experience that the community wasn't entirely happy with so Sonic team decided to give options that would address the complaints but took them to the extreme. Want momentum? What if we gave you all the momentum.
Now I’m actuslly mildly tempted to buy Frontiers
I now understand why they ditched the spindash in favor of the boost
*It was too powerful*
Update 3 HYPE
Sonic frontiers birthday update I ignored💀
So in short...GOTTA GO FAST!
Wyvern skip will be missed
Me who never got that trick down:I'm actually thankful for this
maybe now I can finally get that 1-2 S rank