Don't be caught off guard by whataboutisms & strange topic changes. A maga can make a comment attempting to put their debater on defensive. I like to say, we'll get back to that, Joe. Meantime we're discussing this. Then Joe will say, he doesn't remember what we were discussing. Putting the burden on me to remind. I don't always remember, either. I bring up the next thing & the next.
The groups you're referring to don't need civilian casualties to point to in order to boost recruitment. Our very presence there is usually justification enough.
I love what Beau did there... "Don't get caught up in bad information when you're trying to make a good point." In other words, don't try to hit the target based on bad intel
Anedoctal story about Drone assasination in the first day of the 45 POTUS administration. The CIA took him for a tour that included a drone strike. There was a girl playing near the target, and the drone operator waited until she was far enough from the target before pulling the trigger. DT (Document Thief) was curious. Why did the operator wait for so long to do the kill? He didn't understand. My point? How many people pulling these triggers have the same mindset?
As someone who pulled that 'trigger' for a few years, only the REALLY dumb ones, and they usually end up doing clerical work not flying. Even stripping away the moral side of things and looking at it through pure utilitarian pragmatism, killing civilians is essentially printing recruitment posters for the enemy. It makes a war harder, not easier.
I think most of them do have that mindset, but it will depend on how good their view on the target area is too. If some kids are taking shade under the same tree as a target or some such, how would they know? But it's mostly speculation, you'd have to ask the drone operators themselves or some such, not sure they're too willing to talk, or if they're even allowed to.
Beau, thank you for being an exceptional teacher. I'm a 62 y/o woman who knows ZERO about guns, drones, or strategies used in war. Your explanations are incredibly easy to understand without dumbing it down. I appreciate all the the hard work that goes into each of your videos!
I love the way he presents this to us. You can tell that this mam really does care about not just the topic, but the people having these discussions as well. Respect.
From a land down under Beau, yours and Glenn Kirschner's are the first broadcasts I turn to each day. I really appreciate your intelligent and concise information, so thank you for throwing a spotlight on the dog's breakfast that is American Politics.
The surgeon is trying to save a life not take one. Before you respond with "they are saving American lives" please tell me who was assassinated, why they were assassinated and who made the decision.
When I was younger and went to parties more often, it was my hobby to call out those, who defended their position poorly, especially when I shared their position. I either made them change their mind or at least doubt their position. Once I managed to do that, I made a U-turn and explained to them why they were right.
The lack of precision of the intelligence reminds me of when we put a bomb precisely down a small hole in Iraq and blew up a bunch of refugees hiding in the basement of some sort of factory. The intelligence was bad but the weapon hit a 2' x 2' hole and and went to the bottom. It's in a documentary about how we got Iraq so wrong but i can't remember the name of it.
I prefer, above all, to focus on the things that show intent. Look at drone double taps. We _deliberately_ targeted first responders. Focus on THAT, first, and pulling that thread will likely lead you right to why the intelligence is so bad.
IIRC we bombed a building that had 500 or so refugees sheltering in it. May or may not have been a hospital building. I know Democracy Now covered it. That and so much else is why I'm against "liberating" countries through invasion. If the people themselves are willing to commit to revolution, they make the choice? If our military goes in, a lot of people who never assented, will die.
@@dynamicworlds1 Thank you. Double taps are hideous. I remember one case where an innocent father, driving his kids to school, tried to get an injured man in his van. Probably to take the wounded man to the hospital, as one would. I think the second missile killed them all.
@@liam3284 Isn't the perception nowhere is safe, that the USA are invulnerable gods that kill upon a whim and sit in the sky constantly judging, the terror of the people, part of the intended effect? The "shock and awe" strategies they've used for a very long time against people they feel beneath them? I don't think it's _effective_ , but I think it's at least a little intentional.
Perun refers to it (as I'm sure many others do) as "Warheads on foreheads". The US is very, VERY good at it. "Who's forehead" is another question entirely.
“What we have here son, is a failure to communicate”. The military seems to accept and defend collateral damage. Oversight maybe could enforce best practices and responsibilities. “It is just a thought”!!
Here's something we know without dispute: we used drone "double taps" to deliberately target first responders. We start the focus THERE and don't stop until we have those responsible held to account for their deliberate crimes. In the process, we'll probably figure out where a lot of the alleged "accidents" are coming from as well.
This shows the difficulty of real life situations, not everythings a perfect 1 for 1 or black & white picture with accidental deaths or incidents. Thanks for explaining this for us Beau
It has always been a question of having good information. Thanks for clarifying this and the hope you've given me that Biden has tried to improve things
I was just watching Brian Tyler Cohen interview with Adam Frisch. Great interview I hope the mail in votes go in his favor. His mom suggested a new party, the collation for normal people . A party for democrats, republicans and independents.
@Reformed Conservative No I am reading and what u said are all far right wing ppl. D's are far right just not as far right as R's and the few lindy's that would join would have to be right there with them on the far right. Remember u are not talking to anyone here u are writing to them so they have to read. The fun thing about the written word is u cant say that is not what i meant to say b/c u wrote it u didnt say it
75% of our govt already did that. They’re already in control of the federal govt, and not working FOR us… we’re run by a 1 party system. They choose the candidates, for the most part. It’s all political theater. If you want a little more about the dangers of a 3rd party candidates, look up “bull moose party”… Totally love the thought, had it many times myself…
There will never be perfect records of civilian casualties of war. Fog of war, motivations to misclassify, and sometimes just lack of concern guarantee inaccuracy. But I suspect there are better numbers which are classified, as well, for both good and bad reasons.
I've tried to explain this to people lots of times before, but haven't generally managed to make the point clearly. People get really fixated on drones as they seem like something out of a terminator movie, but it's not really the weapons that are the problem- it's the way they're used. If you took away all the drones tomorrow, but people were still fighting the same wars, they'd just go back to using jet bombers and would kill even more innocents. I just don't want people getting bombed.
"the worst thing you can do for an argument you support is present it poorly" yes, and I would love to point out how often the right presents our arguments for us - poorly. If someone is making a straw man, you might want to point it out. If they do it again at the next opportunity? You may want to consider them a bad faith actor.
I can't tell you the number of times that happened during my deployments... "SIGINT says HVT A is at {this specific 10 digit grid} right now... GO!" then you get there 45 minutes later and you are just barging in on a house at dinnertime or in the middle of the night scaring a family and HVT A is nowhere to be seen.
This is similar to a major issue in data science...Analysis without the proper business context unnecessarily burns money and resources. The proper context (intel) must be had for effective decision making.
I’m sure he will. Id expect a few, over the next month or 2… dude takes in a lot of info. He doesn’t have a whole staff tied up in the wood shed, doing research… Something like that is gonna take a bit. If you have a more specific topic, an issue or 2…
@@DairyAir Nothing specific, just maybe an overall take on why some things passed where they did and why they didn't pass elsewhere and possibly what the overall picture looks like from a zoomed out view in relation to historical results. Seeing which candidates won or lost gives one view, but looking at the issues that pass or fail, may give a slightly different view or focus that view.
Basically, it comes down to human deficiency versus technology. Computers, programs, and pieces of tech do exactly what they are designed to do... to the letter/number/symbol. What you put in is what you get out. So it's no surprise that it's not the drone accuracy causing issues, it's the human accuracy (of intelligence) causing problems.
There's a difference between collateral damage deaths and intended deaths. That's it in a nutshell. However, when we FIRST began using drones, we had a high collateral damage of deaths. To date, the weapons are better and we don't have the accidental deaths like we did 2 decades ago. As anything, drones have been improved over time.
Lot of the improvements boil down to realizing grainy black and white footage from 3 miles away really isn't reliable enough to confirm someone is a valid target and be the sole justification to blow up people.
You missed the point. The accuracy of the weapons, the drone strikes, were always accurate. It was the information that lead to the use of drone strikes that was flawed. The people in charge of deploying drone strikes either didn't care about "collateral damage" or else they were incompetent, either way it's a war crime.
lack of solid "man in the loop" removes human responsibility from kills being innocent or not. someone should ALWAYS be responsible for the death of a person...removing the man in the loop removes that responsible party. unmanned can be helpful if responsibility is maintained. be aware that removal of responsibility could very well be a policy decision. unmanned and artificial intelligence use must be regulated in such a way as to ensure responsible use...that regulation does not exist.
Just don’t deny justice and human rights to those that intelligence agencies, military leaders and or politicians wish to assassinate making themselves judge and executioner. Just because agents are incapable of gaining the trust and cooperation of locals doesn’t justify murdering some because of their location and proximity to the condemned.
I don’t think it’s entirely accurate that the problem is bad intelligence. I think it’s also a failure of policy or leadership. They may know that the target is a in a marketplace where Collins are present, but then decide that the benefit of eliminating the target is worth the risk of civilian casualties. To some degree in their policy calculus, they prioritize eliminating enemies and protecting US soldiers over preventing civilian casualties.
@@shantalynn I have no conclusive information to give you. It’s my conclusion based on the variety of expert discussions I’ve heard and read regarding drone strikes, the factors considered in the policy decision to use drones, and The practices and policies that inform the decisions in individual situations. These discussions involved military experts, including former DoD officials. However, I can’t point to any specific books, videos, podcasts, etc, so it’s fair for you to consider it speculation.
I mean, the attitude of callousness towards the lives of civilians in the middle east and Africa is pretty apparent. We're still selling arms to Saudi Arabia to continue a genocidal war in Yemen. Trump vetoed legislation that would halt that sale. AFAIK it should be illegal under our laws anyway.
Indeed. I know my (German) mother talked about how the televised assurances that "No _AMERICAN_ lives will be lost" in an operation where USA allies obviously would be (and who knows how many civilians) taught her that, when it comes to war, American leadership values only Americans. Even friendly civilians and allied soldiers are worth almost nothing to them, to say nothing about their attitude towards possibly-unfriendly civilians.
11 minutes and 3 seconds of pure gold. I love how he uses analogies and explains things and does his research and looks at the sources and is genuinely scientific and unbiased and explains things in a way that almost anyone can understand. Thanks Beau, from an internet person. :) x
How can anyone question the effectiveness of american troops and weaponry? Anyone remember the movie Off Limits, and the dialog "we are never outgunned"? America can never lose or the entire world loses. Congratulations Blue!
Far and away, Beau of the Gifth Column provides the most consistently compelling, cogent, insightful, passionate commentary on the internet. At the close if each segment I feel refreshed intellectually, broadened in my understanding of the issues of the day, including the moral questions involved, and conscious of the need to walk through this world ever aware of the basic humanity we all share and of the need to attempt, at the very least, to understand the perspectives of those who stand on the other side of issues...not that I succeed, but awareness is the first step, yeah?
Ahhhhh! So sometimes the collateral damage is bad guys. Gotcha. And yes, it's the surveillance, the intelligence prior to the strike that makes a shot good or bad. Not the weapons.
*Conspiracy Theory under the 'Making Sure Your Information is Sound' video:* Beau wears t-shirts that are less likely to give away his political leanings when he knows the video is likely going to be shared with a lot of Fox News-watching family members, as a gentle introduction to the rest of his content.
I have been trying to tell everyone this exact same thing 40 years. When I was in the Air Force our favorite saying was put warheads on foreheads. We knew we damn well could do it that accurately. Any casualties were always a tragedy or bad intelligence.
This is actually pretty brilliant messaging. If there is doubt about the effectiveness of the equipment, even if it's implicit, then it gives decision-makers an out if they get criticized down the road.
The number and location of all drone strikes should be public knowledge. The secrecy crap has got to go. Until we shine a bright light into the shadows, we will not know the truth.
problem has always been target identification and PID (positive identification). Doesn't matter what the weapon system you are using is you shouldn't pull that trigger unless you are damn sure who the target is and what unintended consequences you may cause in the people and area surrounding them.
I wish you’d talk about one of my messages hehe love your work thanks Beau.. my take is that it’s too easy to deploy a hellfire missile these days, these tend to have an impact radius larger than that of a bullet ya know
Mahde Darmo True, but the US is able to make precision strikes also. Remember they took out Al Zawahiri, the Al Qaeda leader who took over after Bin Ladin died? A precision drone strike took him out on his balcony while his family was there and they were unharmed. We had eyes on him for months but Biden gave the ok that day. Idk if Biden was presented with option to take out the whole house risking the lives of his family, or what, but this shows our capabilities. During wartime, more crude decisions are made though as we are seeing Ukraine war footage daily and drones are dropped on homes with Russians inside. Who knows if the Ukrainian homeowner was inside or if the homeowner fled before Russians took over? Biden also has to live with giving the ok for drone strike when we were in process of pulling out of Afghanistan. It turned out it was not the Taliban in the vehicle with bombs but an entire family with children in that vehicle. All died. The whole world saw that awful mistake on top of the “disastrous withdrawal” where a suicide attacker killed those Afghanis and American soldiers at the airport. Then again, it was bad intel that led Biden to believe the Taliban wouldn’t take over for 6mos. We fled Afghanistan like we were fleeing dinosaurs at Jurassic Park. Beau said Biden admin is doing better than the previous ones. I imagine Biden’s humiliating mistakes in Afghanistan has given him clarity and pause when it comes to these things. But then again he is criticized as not being tough and that could factor into him being too hawkish. We got horribly bad intel for going into Iraq. WMD’s. Colin Powell who I think was CIA head, he resigned when all we found were a few canning jars were found. If there was accountability for our presidents and govt leaders, these things would not be typical. The US has destroyed its reputation and we look like hypocrites calling out human rights violations in countries while we do them. We turn a blind eye when Israel does them. So the US is paying for our mistakes bc citizens no longer trust the govt, the country is divided, and we have lost stature as beacon on the hill. The nxt president could go right back to the hawkish bs, indiscriminate bombings and waterboarding, etc bc of partisans and the president is above the law. Very few govt officials actually pay for their corruption but the ones who point it out fled the country or were imprisoned.
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Words to live by: "Don't get caught up in bad information when you're trying to make a good point."
Don't be caught off guard by whataboutisms & strange topic changes. A maga can make a comment attempting to put their debater on defensive. I like to say, we'll get back to that, Joe. Meantime we're discussing this. Then Joe will say, he doesn't remember what we were discussing. Putting the burden on me to remind. I don't always remember, either. I bring up the next thing & the next.
Indeed, another perspective is: don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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The consequences are where the numbers matter.... A civilian casualty results in recruitment of new combatants....
The groups you're referring to don't need civilian casualties to point to in order to boost recruitment. Our very presence there is usually justification enough.
Someone knows the manual.
@@timothyball3144 Pepperidge farms remembers
I haven't seen a conflict since I've been alive where this isn't true.
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In which Beau defines the difference between ‘better’ and ‘less bad’.
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And does it so very very well
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I love what Beau did there... "Don't get caught up in bad information when you're trying to make a good point." In other words, don't try to hit the target based on bad intel
I came close to invoking Godwin's Law by mentioning Operation Valkyrie as a case of a remote attack affecting unintended targets.
Oooh...nested meanings. Nice. I hadn't caught that.
If there's only one take-away in all of my very nearly 51 years on this planet, it's this: 'knowing' really IS half the battle and at least that.
The other half is brutal violence, but, whatever.
I mean, we can still have fun, right?
I'm retired ... but I loved being a librarian. It's so important!
I've often found it to be a burden.
As a recon Marine I completely agree. It also works when making decisions in civilian life.
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The civilian adaptation being 'swift, sagacious, deft,' perhaps?
Anedoctal story about Drone assasination in the first day of the 45 POTUS administration.
The CIA took him for a tour that included a drone strike. There was a girl playing near the target, and the drone operator waited until she was far enough from the target before pulling the trigger. DT (Document Thief) was curious. Why did the operator wait for so long to do the kill? He didn't understand.
My point? How many people pulling these triggers have the same mindset?
This is my shocked face.😐
I can picture Trump asking this and being completely oblivious to how Montgomery Burns it sounds.
As someone who pulled that 'trigger' for a few years, only the REALLY dumb ones, and they usually end up doing clerical work not flying. Even stripping away the moral side of things and looking at it through pure utilitarian pragmatism, killing civilians is essentially printing recruitment posters for the enemy. It makes a war harder, not easier.
I think most of them do have that mindset, but it will depend on how good their view on the target area is too. If some kids are taking shade under the same tree as a target or some such, how would they know? But it's mostly speculation, you'd have to ask the drone operators themselves or some such, not sure they're too willing to talk, or if they're even allowed to.
There is a multi-stage, multi-level clearance checklist before they can go weapons hot and fire. A lot of people are involved in giving the final go.
Beau, thank you for being an exceptional teacher. I'm a 62 y/o woman who knows ZERO about guns, drones, or strategies used in war. Your explanations are incredibly easy to understand without dumbing it down. I appreciate all the the hard work that goes into each of your videos!
I love the way he presents this to us. You can tell that this mam really does care about not just the topic, but the people having these discussions as well.
Respect.
yep!
i can’t handle watching news on youtube anymore because they deal in nothing but bad information
yep!
i can’t handle watching news on youtube anymore because they deal in nothing but bad information
He’s training soldiers to combat misinformation, by arming us with the most powerful weapon system, truth and knowledge…
I was just thinking that. And he does it in a minimum of time. what an incredible resource
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From a land down under Beau, yours and Glenn Kirschner's are the first broadcasts I turn to each day. I really appreciate your intelligent and concise information, so thank you for throwing a spotlight on the dog's breakfast that is American Politics.
Lol
I am from Australia and do the same.
I can't deal with Glenn's intro.. I ffwd past those couple seconds
I also add professor Heather Cox Richardson and Meidas
Uncle Glenn🤗
Yup another from down under. First Beau, then Glenn Kirchner, then Meidas Touch.
It's like a great surgeon being handed the wrong X-rays just prior to surgery.
Good surgeons draw on spot to cut before you go under sedation.
The surgeon is trying to save a life not take one. Before you respond with "they are saving American lives" please tell me who was assassinated, why they were assassinated and who made the decision.
Hi from Europe. 2:30 am here, good morning, America.
Morning, Maarten!
When I was younger and went to parties more often, it was my hobby to call out those, who defended their position poorly, especially when I shared their position. I either made them change their mind or at least doubt their position. Once I managed to do that, I made a U-turn and explained to them why they were right.
Bet it's been a looonng times since you've been invited to a party.
Wow… you are so smart and wonderful and clearly benevolent.
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@@mymia731 😋
Even on a clear day, the fog of war persists.
"Those two groups get thrown into the same pile"
Word choice, Beau. Word choice.
Yeah I cringed just now hearing it
It does speak to the genau callousness of the cooking the numbers though.
@@greenspitfire17 Do you mean general or are you using the German word genau?
@@iskuhiboyadjian3495 Exactly :)
@@iskuhiboyadjian3495 Probably the former, the latter would make no sense in this context.
This is an eye opener.
Better Intel that is up to date by the minute is the only way we can solve this problem.
Not ever going to happen in real life.
They could also stop shooting… Yea, that’s unrealistic, but you can’t negotiate up…
Commanders can usually watch a live feed of the drone footage these days. It helps, but mistakes still get made and Intel isn't always correct.
I feel like I've been arguing in this correct way that Beau is showing here, but it feels nice to have it formalised in actual words.
Yep…This is a good place to learn how to use words as a weapon…
Drawing dot to dot still requires a degree of accuracy to get the whole picture in focus, the more the better.
Agreed, but civilians are rarely presented "unframed" statistics. Framing helps set "the narrative", there's rarely no underlying bias/starting point?
Those weapons hit exactly where they're pointed at. 👉 💥
The lack of precision of the intelligence reminds me of when we put a bomb precisely down a small hole in Iraq and blew up a bunch of refugees hiding in the basement of some sort of factory. The intelligence was bad but the weapon hit a 2' x 2' hole and and went to the bottom. It's in a documentary about how we got Iraq so wrong but i can't remember the name of it.
The problem with these kind of attacks is it creates a perception nowhere is safe. The effect of this terror on civilians is not appreciated.
I prefer, above all, to focus on the things that show intent. Look at drone double taps. We _deliberately_ targeted first responders. Focus on THAT, first, and pulling that thread will likely lead you right to why the intelligence is so bad.
IIRC we bombed a building that had 500 or so refugees sheltering in it. May or may not have been a hospital building.
I know Democracy Now covered it.
That and so much else is why I'm against "liberating" countries through invasion. If the people themselves are willing to commit to revolution, they make the choice?
If our military goes in, a lot of people who never assented, will die.
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Thank you. Double taps are hideous. I remember one case where an innocent father, driving his kids to school, tried to get an injured man in his van. Probably to take the wounded man to the hospital, as one would. I think the second missile killed them all.
@@liam3284 Isn't the perception nowhere is safe, that the USA are invulnerable gods that kill upon a whim and sit in the sky constantly judging, the terror of the people, part of the intended effect? The "shock and awe" strategies they've used for a very long time against people they feel beneath them?
I don't think it's _effective_ , but I think it's at least a little intentional.
Perun refers to it (as I'm sure many others do) as "Warheads on foreheads". The US is very, VERY good at it. "Who's forehead" is another question entirely.
Another Perunite. Love me some Sunday PowerPoint's.
@@JosephKano One of the most informative hours of my week!
“What we have here son, is a failure to communicate”. The military seems to accept and defend collateral damage. Oversight maybe could enforce best practices and responsibilities.
“It is just a thought”!!
Failure to communicate... Old cool hands
Here's something we know without dispute: we used drone "double taps" to deliberately target first responders. We start the focus THERE and don't stop until we have those responsible held to account for their deliberate crimes.
In the process, we'll probably figure out where a lot of the alleged "accidents" are coming from as well.
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Oh Yeah old school baby
Gorram! I´m guilty of falling in the same hole Beau did. Got to reassess my opinion now and get further information.
Shiny!
@@DennisMoore664 I don´t answer with a 5 minute rant in Chinese.now ;)
Better late than never…
This shows the difficulty of real life situations, not everythings a perfect 1 for 1 or black & white picture with accidental deaths or incidents. Thanks for explaining this for us Beau
Everyday is a good day after listening to your information
It has always been a question of having good information. Thanks for clarifying this and the hope you've given me that Biden has tried to improve things
"Basement effect" in stats...any good data is greatly exaggerated.
I learned this working as a grad student in early education.
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Thanks Beau.
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Great explanation of a bad situation
I was going to comment about a missing scenario, bad intelligence, but you covered it, of course, while I was typing….
"Knowing is half the battle."
porkchop sandwiches!
I was just watching Brian Tyler Cohen interview with Adam Frisch. Great interview I hope the mail in votes go in his favor. His mom suggested a new party, the collation for normal people . A party for democrats, republicans and independents.
U mean yet another far rightwing party
@Reformed Conservative No I am reading and what u said are all far right wing ppl. D's are far right just not as far right as R's and the few lindy's that would join would have to be right there with them on the far right.
Remember u are not talking to anyone here u are writing to them so they have to read.
The fun thing about the written word is u cant say that is not what i meant to say b/c u wrote it u didnt say it
@@frederickbays405 I'd argue Dems are center right. A far-right party would never allow socialists to caucus with them.
Don’t forget, we’ve got Libertarians out there. They got votes here in Alabama, because there were seats only they and republicans were running for.
75% of our govt already did that. They’re already in control of the federal govt, and not working FOR us…
we’re run by a 1 party system. They choose the candidates, for the most part. It’s all political theater.
If you want a little more about the dangers of a 3rd party candidates, look up “bull moose party”…
Totally love the thought, had it many times myself…
Thanks Beau - we always appreciate being guided to the good information and the use of good/bad information ________ we can't fix what we don't know
I'm sure our government profusely apologized to the people at the wedding, and made proper amends.
And, yes, the tooth fairy is real.
There will never be perfect records of civilian casualties of war. Fog of war, motivations to misclassify, and sometimes just lack of concern guarantee inaccuracy. But I suspect there are better numbers which are classified, as well, for both good and bad reasons.
I've tried to explain this to people lots of times before, but haven't generally managed to make the point clearly. People get really fixated on drones as they seem like something out of a terminator movie, but it's not really the weapons that are the problem- it's the way they're used. If you took away all the drones tomorrow, but people were still fighting the same wars, they'd just go back to using jet bombers and would kill even more innocents. I just don't want people getting bombed.
"the worst thing you can do for an argument you support is present it poorly" yes, and I would love to point out how often the right presents our arguments for us - poorly. If someone is making a straw man, you might want to point it out. If they do it again at the next opportunity? You may want to consider them a bad faith actor.
GIGO =Garbage (data) in, garbage (results) out
Such an important video
Our weapons are accurate we just happen to shoot at the wrong targets alot
I can't tell you the number of times that happened during my deployments... "SIGINT says HVT A is at {this specific 10 digit grid} right now... GO!" then you get there 45 minutes later and you are just barging in on a house at dinnertime or in the middle of the night scaring a family and HVT A is nowhere to be seen.
Hey Beau and internet folks.
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✌️❤️ Internet peeps 😁 Good evening 🌙🌛
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Wait...the earth ain't flat? 😜 ☺️
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Good night
You're right, bad intelligence. Could also be overkill. In other words you don't need a stick of dynamite when a firecracker will do the job.
This is similar to a major issue in data science...Analysis without the proper business context unnecessarily burns money and resources. The proper context (intel) must be had for effective decision making.
Both the person authorizing the drone strike and the person operating the drone ought to be accountable for the people they kill.
Find the source and go from there. ✌🏼🤓
Good evening.
@@shawnr771 Good evening Shawn. 😊 How are you doing?
It's a lot easier to pull the trigger when you don't have to see your enemy's eyes, that's got to be much worse when it's a remote drone.
It's not the metal, it's the meat that *aims* the metal.
Brass hats hate accountability when it is most needed.
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Beau, I'm wondering if you could go over some of the wins and losses in state measure results from the recent election.
"Split ticket Republicans" Axios reported, but not delimitative.
@@christopherfegley421 ?Maybe you replied to the wrong comment?
I’m sure he will. Id expect a few, over the next month or 2… dude takes in a lot of info. He doesn’t have a whole staff tied up in the wood shed, doing research… Something like that is gonna take a bit. If you have a more specific topic, an issue or 2…
@@DairyAir Nothing specific, just maybe an overall take on why some things passed where they did and why they didn't pass elsewhere and possibly what the overall picture looks like from a zoomed out view in relation to historical results.
Seeing which candidates won or lost gives one view, but looking at the issues that pass or fail, may give a slightly different view or focus that view.
Basically, it comes down to human deficiency versus technology. Computers, programs, and pieces of tech do exactly what they are designed to do... to the letter/number/symbol. What you put in is what you get out. So it's no surprise that it's not the drone accuracy causing issues, it's the human accuracy (of intelligence) causing problems.
GIGO - Garbage in, garbage out...
You should read bedtime stories, Beau. You've a relaxing voice.✨
MrBallen is the channel you are looking for. Warning: highly addicting
Just maybe not about drone strikes 😏
There's a difference between collateral damage deaths and intended deaths. That's it in a nutshell. However, when we FIRST began using drones, we had a high collateral damage of deaths. To date, the weapons are better and we don't have the accidental deaths like we did 2 decades ago. As anything, drones have been improved over time.
Lot of the improvements boil down to realizing grainy black and white footage from 3 miles away really isn't reliable enough to confirm someone is a valid target and be the sole justification to blow up people.
You missed the point. The accuracy of the weapons, the drone strikes, were always accurate. It was the information that lead to the use of drone strikes that was flawed. The people in charge of deploying drone strikes either didn't care about "collateral damage" or else they were incompetent, either way it's a war crime.
As I've been saying for years, it's not the weapon system, it's the policy.
The culture around the weapons in the US is so bad. Be it military or domestic policing, or be it civilian.
I don't know if they're hitting what they're supposed to. They're hitting what they're aimed at
Thank you for your videos & wisdom, Beau♡
Geez, it sounds like this war business is kind of messy.
More of a racket.
@@thatoneguyinthecomments2633 We need another Smedley Butler so badly and all I see are more Ollie Norths.
One K-12 civics teacher said the key to understanding politics was based in critical reading and listening skills.
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lack of solid "man in the loop" removes human responsibility from kills being innocent or not.
someone should ALWAYS be responsible for the death of a person...removing the man in the loop removes that responsible party.
unmanned can be helpful if responsibility is maintained.
be aware that removal of responsibility could very well be a policy decision.
unmanned and artificial intelligence use must be regulated in such a way as to ensure responsible use...that regulation does not exist.
Absolutely
Just don’t deny justice and human rights to those that intelligence agencies, military leaders and or politicians wish to assassinate making themselves judge and executioner. Just because agents are incapable of gaining the trust and cooperation of locals doesn’t justify murdering some because of their location and proximity to the condemned.
Give a boy a toy, and he is definitely going to want to try it out. 😪
I don’t think it’s entirely accurate that the problem is bad intelligence. I think it’s also a failure of policy or leadership. They may know that the target is a in a marketplace where Collins are present, but then decide that the benefit of eliminating the target is worth the risk of civilian casualties. To some degree in their policy calculus, they prioritize eliminating enemies and protecting US soldiers over preventing civilian casualties.
Is that an intuitive speculation on your part or do you have information I don't have that you're basing it on and you could share it?
@@shantalynn I have no conclusive information to give you. It’s my conclusion based on the variety of expert discussions I’ve heard and read regarding drone strikes, the factors considered in the policy decision to use drones, and The practices and policies that inform the decisions in individual situations. These discussions involved military experts, including former DoD officials. However, I can’t point to any specific books, videos, podcasts, etc, so it’s fair for you to consider it speculation.
Yes.
I mean, the attitude of callousness towards the lives of civilians in the middle east and Africa is pretty apparent.
We're still selling arms to Saudi Arabia to continue a genocidal war in Yemen.
Trump vetoed legislation that would halt that sale. AFAIK it should be illegal under our laws anyway.
Indeed. I know my (German) mother talked about how the televised assurances that "No _AMERICAN_ lives will be lost" in an operation where USA allies obviously would be (and who knows how many civilians) taught her that, when it comes to war, American leadership values only Americans. Even friendly civilians and allied soldiers are worth almost nothing to them, to say nothing about their attitude towards possibly-unfriendly civilians.
11 minutes and 3 seconds of pure gold. I love how he uses analogies and explains things and does his research and looks at the sources and is genuinely scientific and unbiased and explains things in a way that almost anyone can understand. Thanks Beau, from an internet person. :) x
I love and greatly appreciate the emphasis on nuance and accuracy. You're providing a valuable public service, Beau. 👍
Good point. How the tool is used depends on intelligence.
Proper marriage of correct SIGint and HUMint is so important.
Hi y’all. Hello Beau 🫡.
How can anyone question the effectiveness of american troops and weaponry? Anyone remember the movie Off Limits, and the dialog "we are never outgunned"? America can never lose or the entire world loses. Congratulations Blue!
We should continually question them to insure their actions are not creating more enemies.
Thank you, Beau, for giving us such important information. Your time researching and compiling this info is greatly appreciated.
Killing humans is ALWAYS complicated and always results in a moral quandry.
Far and away, Beau of the Gifth Column provides the most consistently compelling, cogent, insightful, passionate commentary on the internet. At the close if each segment I feel refreshed intellectually, broadened in my understanding of the issues of the day, including the moral questions involved, and conscious of the need to walk through this world ever aware of the basic humanity we all share and of the need to attempt, at the very least, to understand the perspectives of those who stand on the other side of issues...not that I succeed, but awareness is the first step, yeah?
Good information meet the internet, hello bad information.
Ahhhhh! So sometimes the collateral damage is bad guys.
Gotcha. And yes, it's the surveillance, the intelligence prior to the strike that makes a shot good or bad.
Not the weapons.
*Conspiracy Theory under the 'Making Sure Your Information is Sound' video:* Beau wears t-shirts that are less likely to give away his political leanings when he knows the video is likely going to be shared with a lot of Fox News-watching family members, as a gentle introduction to the rest of his content.
So much good information…I really appreciate the delivery.
So many people now caught up in bad information.
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It struck me while watching this that you're the Mr. Rogers of social and political awareness.
Wow - excellent description!! Ty 🤔
Gotta look for the helpers
Great reality check✅
I love how drills the truth down.
Thank you Sir for your common sense approach to your topics. I enjoy the sensible commentary enormously
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You are a riot Dude . Peace from California
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I have been trying to tell everyone this exact same thing 40 years. When I was in the Air Force our favorite saying was put warheads on foreheads. We knew we damn well could do it that accurately. Any casualties were always a tragedy or bad intelligence.
Hi everyone
There's a reason people say the term military intelligence as a joke.
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well done sir ! great dissection of the problem .. information has to be correlated into useable product .. well said ..
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Killing people is not the answer to public relations. Communication is more cost effective. America needs to provide Communication to the world.
This is actually pretty brilliant messaging. If there is doubt about the effectiveness of the equipment, even if it's implicit, then it gives decision-makers an out if they get criticized down the road.
The number and location of all drone strikes should be public knowledge.
The secrecy crap has got to go.
Until we shine a bright light into the shadows, we will not know the truth.
hitting where the are aimed not "where they are Suposed too!"
"Then I actually sat down and read the source."
That should be EVERYBODY'S motto.
Because I assumed we'd never get the full story, that these were from vendetta driven intel from less than honorable allies.
When I was in Vietnam in 1969, we were about half as likely to be hit by "friendly" fire as we were by enemy fire.
It was said long ago. War is hell. Don't make war. .✌️🙏
problem has always been target identification and PID (positive identification). Doesn't matter what the weapon system you are using is you shouldn't pull that trigger unless you are damn sure who the target is and what unintended consequences you may cause in the people and area surrounding them.
I wish you’d talk about one of my messages hehe love your work thanks Beau.. my take is that it’s too easy to deploy a hellfire missile these days, these tend to have an impact radius larger than that of a bullet ya know
Sticks and stones would be better yet, but taking down the internet for a month would kill more than a nuke…
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True, but the US is able to make precision strikes also. Remember they took out Al Zawahiri, the Al Qaeda leader who took over after Bin Ladin died? A precision drone strike took him out on his balcony while his family was there and they were unharmed. We had eyes on him for months but Biden gave the ok that day. Idk if Biden was presented with option to take out the whole house risking the lives of his family, or what, but this shows our capabilities. During wartime, more crude decisions are made though as we are seeing Ukraine war footage daily and drones are dropped on homes with Russians inside. Who knows if the Ukrainian homeowner was inside or if the homeowner fled before Russians took over?
Biden also has to live with giving the ok for drone strike when we were in process of pulling out of Afghanistan. It turned out it was not the Taliban in the vehicle with bombs but an entire family with children in that vehicle. All died. The whole world saw that awful mistake on top of the “disastrous withdrawal” where a suicide attacker killed those Afghanis and American soldiers at the airport. Then again, it was bad intel that led Biden to believe the Taliban wouldn’t take over for 6mos. We fled Afghanistan like we were fleeing dinosaurs at Jurassic Park.
Beau said Biden admin is doing better than the previous ones. I imagine Biden’s humiliating mistakes in Afghanistan has given him clarity and pause when it comes to these things. But then again he is criticized as not being tough and that could factor into him being too hawkish.
We got horribly bad intel for going into Iraq. WMD’s. Colin Powell who I think was CIA head, he resigned when all we found were a few canning jars were found. If there was accountability for our presidents and govt leaders, these things would not be typical. The US has destroyed its reputation and we look like hypocrites calling out human rights violations in countries while we do them. We turn a blind eye when Israel does them. So the US is paying for our mistakes bc citizens no longer trust the govt, the country is divided, and we have lost stature as beacon on the hill. The nxt president could go right back to the hawkish bs, indiscriminate bombings and waterboarding, etc bc of partisans and the president is above the law. Very few govt officials actually pay for their corruption but the ones who point it out fled the country or were imprisoned.