I always thought I would recognize a digital organ when I heard one, but this one fooled me. I listened to the whold demonstration thinking this was a pipe organ. The solo reeds I found to be especially lovely. I must say that I know next to nothing about digital organs, but this video opened my mind to possibilities.
What gave it away that you know nothing about digital organs was when you said this organ sounded just like pipes. Clearly it sounds nothing like pipe at all.
@@TheJakeman789 You are definitely one who likes to provoke conflict aren't you. When someone learns something new like Ray Wood there is no need to get up in arms when a fact is misunderstood. Life is a constant journey of learning. You, Ray, and even me will still be learning new things when we're seniors Im sure
@@TheJakeman789 You don’t understand that you are not able to hear a difference between sampled organs and real organ performances via TH-cam? They are both recorded with microphones from real organs. Only the mixing of the pipe sounds is done at a difference stage, of which i don’t believe you’ll notice the difference. Boils down to that you are just a silly troll. Looking at your comments history i see nothing else than trolling and hating.
So interesting instrument amazing songs Thank you Ian to give some specials french tops of this instrument with nice songs really tipical french improvisations!
Thanks for an interesting demonstration. What I'd relly like to see is maybe an hour-long 'Organ 101' introduction with lots of technical details and accompanying examples. One thing I've said for ages, is that the organ is the original synthesizer!
Some of the reeds and mixtures are a bit sloppy- shrill and unbalanced, and most should be under expression to control it, at least from my POV without headphones. Whenever I write a theoretical stoplist, I put every division at least partially under expression, even some of the the pedal, though there's no way to build it.
As a pipe organ tech, I find (and my only complaint really) is the tuning of this instrument is TOO spot on.......Pipe organs are rarely in such tune when they are this vast size.. Listen to a M and O instrument, they have that worked out to a 'T' ......
I was at the demonstration of this organ just after it was installed and I have to say I was so dissappointed in the tone of the instrument. It had a rather harsh piercing quality which became tiring to listen to. I'm sorry to be so negative. Having played mostly on electronic organs, I have always been very supportive of quality digital organs, but there are better instruments available for £150000, which is what this organ cost. I am aware that organ tone can be subjective and what appeals to one may not appeal to another, but some organs are just so much more musical than others. Have a listen to the demo of the Allen HO85 with Hector Olivera. It is only a 3-manual instrument but the sound is wonderful. Make sure you have a good audio system.
Alastair Graham thanks for your comments. Each to his own when it comes to a particular taste and indeed style of voicing and indeed specification design. Allen instruments are of course based on a totally different pallet and style based on American instruments. If this is indeed the style of organ sound you like, do try the latest instruments from Rodgers ...
@@ChurchOrganWorld Rodgers organs have a wonderful sound! I prefer them over Allen! Not saying Allen is bad,but to my ears,..and my ears alone,...Rodgers does indeed sound best. BUT,...this Copeman Hart had me fooled,...I thought it was a pipe instrument!
Wonderful demonstration....an organ builder's dream! As digital organs go, this is one of the best I've heard. I'm wondering why the GRCH opted for a digital instrument instead of pipes. Was it a space issue, or cost? In any event, it's always a pleasure to hear Prof. Tracey.
So how much did that new synthesizer you're playing there cost? Thousands of times more than a decent modern digital synthesizer and the amps, equalizer and speakers to go with it or just hundreds of times more? It goes without saying that its just a bunch of relatively cheap electronic equipment hiding in that "console" and probably behind the fake pipe ranks I imagine are also there to create the "pipe organ" vibe that's crucial to getting people to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for $10,000 worth of sound. The fake stops and the electronics behind them are probably $100 per "stop". I'm assuming those stops are connected to SOMETHING, but its equally possible and maybe more likely the electronics obviously built into the console have voice-recognition software going on. Either that or you're moving through a "demo" mode and the synthesizer is automatically changing modes after each little demo riff you play. There's a display in the console in front of you, and I suppose it could be telling you what's next and all you have to do is grab any old "stop" and it goes on to the next "instrument". or someone off-screen with a laptop or other control device is changing the synthesizer settings as you call out the stops and play with the knobs or maybe somebody offscreen is selecting the modes as you call them out. Technology is great, but if someone thinks they're buying or hearing amazing pipe organ wizardry but they're hearing what is pretty poor synthesizer software, some might say its just snake oil. As someone who is unbelievably NOT a carpenter or woodworker despite being really handy with anything mechanical, made of metal and capable of being torched, welded or machined, I'd say the cabinet work on the console at least partially justifies what I'm sure is a 6-figure pricetag. But by the look of that cheap, tinny little hinge on the door to your right and the way it looks like it might not even have countersunk screws and may not close, I'm pretty sure the console is at about the same level of craftsmanship as the "organ" itself. I picked up an old early-1950s Wurlitzer for the low price of FREE one day after somebody partked it on the curb for the garbage truck. It's got one or two internal electronic issues and a key that doesn't work and one more that's iffy, but other than that and a lot less "power" and "prestige" and infinitely less profit, I don't think it's far behind your high-end "pipe organ". And when it comes TO organs, its not surprising they gather dust, get sold "dirt cheap", are given away or are simply forgotten about and left "in situ" in the places where the big ones are built in to the building or they're rarely used and only by maybe a church piano player that is intrigued or challenged or committed to the church enough to become an organist. Because overall, they're not impressive instruments. When I picked up that Wurlitzer and saw "Percussion" on a section of stops or whatever, I thought it might actually be capable of some synthesizer-esque sound. And it IS since its literally a synthesizer itself. But it's not what I expected. Synthesizers may improve the "variety" or "individuality over what a pipe organ can produce, but that's not a big accomplishment. After all, a pipe organ is literally an oversized caliope, and although historic, interesting and "ingenious" for the mix of mechanical controls and steam or compressed air "power" where they've been converted, they get old pretty quickly. And unlike caliopes, pipe organs generally don't come with carnivals, carousels and crowds of people out for a fun day of play,
The sound generation has been updated from the Bradford system which CH used, but the Ch design principles of many speakers and ample bass drivers remain. And this is why this organ sits so well in that space. It probably has 4x more speaker than are absolutely required, but this makes a major impact on the sound quality.
ChurchOrganWorld Since they became part of "Church Organ World" it doesn't really matter what badge you put on it or the subtle differences in equipment. It's so frustrating that customers choose huge stoplists over a more realistic and satisfying sound.
Alex Fishburn customers choose what they want and what meets their needs. In this instance a large instrument was required for versatility and size of building with a matching audio system (64.8 from recollection) that would meet needs. With a possible exception if a US company nobody else does anything on a scale and versatility as this.
Sure does sound like a keen Giegen to me. Nice stop to have. Fits the romantic/symphonic scheme well. Overall, this is one of the very cleanest and clearest instruments I have heard. With full ensembles the upperwork does not screech at all, maybe almost too quiet. I LOVE the addition of the Harpsichord and the loud solo reeds, especially the French Horn which is usually way too soft to be accompanied by anything but the softest registrations. This particular one has some body, too.
Excellent presenter / presentation. One observation: a Gemshorn is NOT a string, it is an hybrid. As someone who remembers what a Skinner Solo Gross Gamba /Gamba sounds like, I despair the knowledge of creating true organ string tone is being lost.
No, it's a digital organ. When the hall was built there was, disgracefully, no provision for the installation of an organ. Installing a pipe organ of the necessary size and specification would have been a huge undertaking and might not even have been possible. Only the most hard-core pipe organ snob would deny that this instrument is an excellent substitute.
Why don't they give these organs are real fiery american trumpet? Maybe just one or two to splice out all the pomp and circumstance reeds of the english flavor.
Digital organs are really getting a foothold these days; even some real tube organs are using digital components to save $$. I own a digital - they can be very competitive (although still lacking somewhat) to the real thing. But many churches just don't have the ready cash to spend not just the 100's of thousands (or millions) on the installation, there is continuing expense maintaining them. A compelling argument in favor of the pretend pipe organs!
I tend to lean towards Allen when it comes to digital organs,..after all they pioneered the technology. I'm not an organist,but listening to both Allen and Rodgers,I again lean towards Allen! I'm not familiar with Copeman Hart or Makin!
Copeman Hart is vastly superiour to Allen. I wish we had them in the States. The two brands are not even in the same league. Allen = Wal-Mart. They (Allen) did introduce the first commercially-available digital organ, and way too early in my opinion. When competitors finally introduced their own digital instruments, they were superiour to Allen and employed PCM audio, years before Allen finally released an organ based on PCM audio. The MDS is a generation that should never have existed, in my not so humble opinion. It was horrible. The technology to make something essentally-similar to Renaissance existed in the late 1980's and definitely in the early 1990's. I've never heard an MDS I ever wanted to hear again (except in a recording). I have only heard two Allen organs that were very convincing. Both of them were Renaissance models. One was so good, I thought it was a real organ the first time I heard it.
You will be pleased to hear that these instruments are indeed available in the USA. If you wish, please send a message to keith@churchorganworld.co.uk to receive details and to discuss more fully.
Actually, Rodgers was going under and I believe Johannus bought them. I heard Rodgers, Allen, and Johannus at an AGO conference and the Johannus was clearly a better sounding instrument - especially the higher-end models. Check out their website. There are some samples of some music. I think Rodgers has nicer cabinetry, that is all.
Well . Ian Tracey is a lovely bloke. But...This is NOT Copeman Hart....but Johannes ( Dutch Company) who owns Church Organ World. The samples of sound are "British" in origin, but the Organ is made in Holland.. Copeman-Hart was british until taken over by Johannes ( Dr. Harrington as Agent). Their technology was proudly "Bradford System " based and then "voiced "(really voiced) by experts in this field. NOT just recorded Digital organ ranks ! How the Digital system now embraces the old Copeman Hart "analogue system" ..........I don't know. .Ask Hugh Banton who is the expert.
This instrument whilst having plenty of nice sounds seems to be extremely underwhelming when it comes to the chorus reeds. As for the so-called 32' reed, just sounds like a fat mans fart dying away on a distant wind. Why are they so weak for £150 k !!
Ian is a great artist, this digital organ tone is a disappointment however. Walker Technical in America makes a much nicer digital instrument. If those English samples could be executed by Walker, would be breathtaking!
Reading all the negative comments makes me wonder if these people have ever heard this in the flesh? Certainly your home computer speakers are not going to give you anything like the real sound of these amazing instruments. Additionally given the running costs ( compared to 'investment' in a pipe organ) please do not forget to factor in over time how much you will have spent maintaining your 'investment'. A new Copeman Hart would certainly cost less than a major clean and overhaul of your 'real' organ let alone the tuning costs in the intervening years. Also might i suggest the purists should dispense with electric blowers, console playing aids and lights. in favour of hand blowing, mechanical combination pedals and candles! Like it or not we live in the 21st century. By all means preserve heritage where it is worth preserving but other than that live in the present and embrace the future. please.
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A thoroughly advanced and enjoyable demonstration. Tracey is a joy to hear, both playing and explaining such a wonderful instrument.
I could listen to him play those chords all day. Especially in the division he was presenting!!
Good old Ian: brilliant player and one of the nicest blokes in the organ world.
grat instrument. and i love hearing professor tracey playing and presenting organs
I always thought I would recognize a digital organ when I heard one, but this one fooled me. I listened to the whold demonstration thinking this was a pipe organ. The solo reeds I found to be especially lovely. I must say that I know next to nothing about digital organs, but this video opened my mind to possibilities.
What gave it away that you know nothing about digital organs was when you said this organ sounded just like pipes. Clearly it sounds nothing like pipe at all.
@@TheJakeman789 You are definitely one who likes to provoke conflict aren't you. When someone learns something new like Ray Wood there is no need to get up in arms when a fact is misunderstood. Life is a constant journey of learning. You, Ray, and even me will still be learning new things when we're seniors Im sure
@@AirchimeLTDproductions174 I’m not afraid to say the truth and say what people don’t want to hear. Truth hurts. I’m sorry I hurt your feelings.
@@TheJakeman789 Oh no my feelings aren't hurt at all. :) And of course its perfectly fine to say the truth.
@@TheJakeman789 You don’t understand that you are not able to hear a difference between sampled organs and real organ performances via TH-cam? They are both recorded with microphones from real organs. Only the mixing of the pipe sounds is done at a difference stage, of which i don’t believe you’ll notice the difference. Boils down to that you are just a silly troll. Looking at your comments history i see nothing else than trolling and hating.
What a clever man Ian is.
Absolutely beautiful sounds ❤🎶🎵🎶
So interesting instrument amazing songs Thank you Ian to give some specials french tops of this instrument with nice songs really tipical french improvisations!
wonderful organ-demonstration on a great instrument.....
Really interesting demonstration by Ian Tracey, thanks for posting this!
Thank you sir for sharing this info with us.
Very interesting! I'd love to listen to your concert by being there in person!
Magnificent tonal finishing. Wow!
fnersch not really.
Thanks for an interesting demonstration. What I'd relly like to see is maybe an hour-long 'Organ 101' introduction with lots of technical details and accompanying examples.
One thing I've said for ages, is that the organ is the original synthesizer!
Great demonstration.
A wonderful recitalist and even a visitor to Torquay. N .Choveaux on his last visit.
Love the video please have a concert and share it here
Some of the reeds and mixtures are a bit sloppy- shrill and unbalanced, and most should be under expression to control it, at least from my POV without headphones.
Whenever I write a theoretical stoplist, I put every division at least partially under expression, even some of the the pedal, though there's no way to build it.
very cool!
Lovely instrument
kooking well fed
What piece is that "French Grand Jeu" in 6:50?
It's just an improvisation.
As a pipe organ tech, I find (and my only complaint really) is the tuning of this instrument is TOO spot on.......Pipe organs are rarely in such tune when they are this vast size.. Listen to a M and O instrument, they have that worked out to a 'T' ......
Ever made an organ tuned to unequal 'Well' temperment, or is that just a complete relic? I've always wondered if key-colors were useful.
I was at the demonstration of this organ just after it was installed and I have to say I was so dissappointed in the tone of the instrument. It had a rather harsh piercing quality which became tiring to listen to. I'm sorry to be so negative. Having played mostly on electronic organs, I have always been very supportive of quality digital organs, but there are better instruments available for £150000, which is what this organ cost. I am aware that organ tone can be subjective and what appeals to one may not appeal to another, but some organs are just so much more musical than others. Have a listen to the demo of the Allen HO85 with Hector Olivera. It is only a 3-manual instrument but the sound is wonderful. Make sure you have a good audio system.
Alastair Graham thanks for your comments. Each to his own when it comes to a particular taste and indeed style of voicing and indeed specification design. Allen instruments are of course based on a totally different pallet and style based on American instruments. If this is indeed the style of organ sound you like, do try the latest instruments from Rodgers ...
@@ChurchOrganWorld Rodgers organs have a wonderful sound! I prefer them over Allen! Not saying Allen is bad,but to my ears,..and my ears alone,...Rodgers does indeed sound best. BUT,...this Copeman Hart had me fooled,...I thought it was a pipe instrument!
I find all digital organs tiring to listen to
@@johnholmes912 Same but Hauptwerk is really nice for me at least.
Sorry Jerry, I don’t know. I will ask Professor Tracey when I see him
Professor of which music department at which University??
What is his Improv style? It is amazing!
The improv style is 'English cathedral organist.' Ian wrote the style manual for this!!
how much do these cost?
too much!
Wonderful demonstration....an organ builder's dream! As digital organs go, this is one of the best I've heard. I'm wondering why the GRCH opted for a digital instrument instead of pipes. Was it a space issue, or cost? In any event, it's always a pleasure to hear Prof. Tracey.
Both space and cost precluded a pipe organ when the hall was built 25 years ago and indeed now as well
So how much did that new synthesizer you're playing there cost? Thousands of times more than a decent modern digital synthesizer and the amps, equalizer and speakers to go with it or just hundreds of times more? It goes without saying that its just a bunch of relatively cheap electronic equipment hiding in that "console" and probably behind the fake pipe ranks I imagine are also there to create the "pipe organ" vibe that's crucial to getting people to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for $10,000 worth of sound.
The fake stops and the electronics behind them are probably $100 per "stop". I'm assuming those stops are connected to SOMETHING, but its equally possible and maybe more likely the electronics obviously built into the console have voice-recognition software going on.
Either that or you're moving through a "demo" mode and the synthesizer is automatically changing modes after each little demo riff you play. There's a display in the console in front of you, and I suppose it could be telling you what's next and all you have to do is grab any old "stop" and it goes on to the next "instrument". or someone off-screen with a laptop or other control device is changing the synthesizer settings as you call out the stops and play with the knobs or maybe somebody offscreen is selecting the modes as you call them out.
Technology is great, but if someone thinks they're buying or hearing amazing pipe organ wizardry but they're hearing what is pretty poor synthesizer software, some might say its just snake oil. As someone who is unbelievably NOT a carpenter or woodworker despite being really handy with anything mechanical, made of metal and capable of being torched, welded or machined, I'd say the cabinet work on the console at least partially justifies what I'm sure is a 6-figure pricetag.
But by the look of that cheap, tinny little hinge on the door to your right and the way it looks like it might not even have countersunk screws and may not close, I'm pretty sure the console is at about the same level of craftsmanship as the "organ" itself. I picked up an old early-1950s Wurlitzer for the low price of FREE one day after somebody partked it on the curb for the garbage truck.
It's got one or two internal electronic issues and a key that doesn't work and one more that's iffy, but other than that and a lot less "power" and "prestige" and infinitely less profit, I don't think it's far behind your high-end "pipe organ".
And when it comes TO organs, its not surprising they gather dust, get sold "dirt cheap", are given away or are simply forgotten about and left "in situ" in the places where the big ones are built in to the building or they're rarely used and only by maybe a church piano player that is intrigued or challenged or committed to the church enough to become an organist.
Because overall, they're not impressive instruments. When I picked up that Wurlitzer and saw "Percussion" on a section of stops or whatever, I thought it might actually be capable of some synthesizer-esque sound. And it IS since its literally a synthesizer itself. But it's not what I expected. Synthesizers may improve the "variety" or "individuality over what a pipe organ can produce, but that's not a big accomplishment.
After all, a pipe organ is literally an oversized caliope, and although historic, interesting and "ingenious" for the mix of mechanical controls and steam or compressed air "power" where they've been converted, they get old pretty quickly. And unlike caliopes, pipe organs generally don't come with carnivals, carousels and crowds of people out for a fun day of play,
Who cares. It STILL sounds fake.
P.E. Gottrocks like you dear
"organ builder's dream" ?? It's putting organ builders out of business...
Though my opinion may not mean much, I feel Copeman Hart has improved so much since the van de Weerd's bought the company.
I just noticed the expression pedals of this console. Virgil Fox would be proud!
The sound generation has been updated from the Bradford system which CH used, but the Ch design principles of many speakers and ample bass drivers remain. And this is why this organ sits so well in that space. It probably has 4x more speaker than are absolutely required, but this makes a major impact on the sound quality.
The swell diapason is rather keen sounding. Nice but I'd call it a violin diapason or geigen diapason. Very nice demo though, and organ.
Salmagundiii it's a Makin at the end of the day, and you're limited by the quality of equipment.
Alex Fishburn it's a Copeman Hart and does not use the same audio system, Software or Hardware as a Makin
ChurchOrganWorld Since they became part of "Church Organ World" it doesn't really matter what badge you put on it or the subtle differences in equipment.
It's so frustrating that customers choose huge stoplists over a more realistic and satisfying sound.
Alex Fishburn customers choose what they want and what meets their needs. In this instance a large instrument was required for versatility and size of building with a matching audio system (64.8 from recollection) that would meet needs. With a possible exception if a US company nobody else does anything on a scale and versatility as this.
Sure does sound like a keen Giegen to me. Nice stop to have. Fits the romantic/symphonic scheme well.
Overall, this is one of the very cleanest and clearest instruments I have heard. With full ensembles the upperwork does not screech at all, maybe almost too quiet. I LOVE the addition of the Harpsichord and the loud solo reeds, especially the French Horn which is usually way too soft to be accompanied by anything but the softest registrations. This particular one has some body, too.
I think this electronic instrument sounds much nicer than a pipe organ in a drier room.
The flues are very nice, but the reeds are horrible and set back the art of digital organ building 50 years.
Man, I want to hear this guy's compositions if he has recorded any.
Excellent presenter / presentation. One observation: a Gemshorn is NOT a string, it is an hybrid. As someone who remembers what a Skinner Solo Gross Gamba /Gamba sounds like, I despair the knowledge of creating true organ string tone is being lost.
so this is a real organ not a diggital one ? its nice but its nowhere near as nice as the organ in the cathedral.
No, it's a digital organ. When the hall was built there was, disgracefully, no provision for the installation of an organ. Installing a pipe organ of the necessary size and specification would have been a huge undertaking and might not even have been possible. Only the most hard-core pipe organ snob would deny that this instrument is an excellent substitute.
"necessary size and specification" is a rather dangerous and subjective phrase!
David Griffiths Based on this recording the sound is quite plastic, fake, and rather unconvincing.
David Griffiths Its terrible and I'm not a snob. Is everyone deaf there?
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Why don't they give these organs are real fiery american trumpet? Maybe just one or two to splice out all the pomp and circumstance reeds of the english flavor.
Digital organs are really getting a foothold these days; even some real tube organs are using digital components to save $$. I own a digital - they can be very competitive (although still lacking somewhat) to the real thing. But many churches just don't have the ready cash to spend not just the 100's of thousands (or millions) on the installation, there is continuing expense maintaining them. A compelling argument in favor of the pretend pipe organs!
I tend to lean towards Allen when it comes to digital organs,..after all they pioneered the technology. I'm not an organist,but listening to both Allen and Rodgers,I again lean towards Allen! I'm not familiar with Copeman Hart or Makin!
Copeman Hart is vastly superiour to Allen. I wish we had them in the States. The two brands are not even in the same league. Allen = Wal-Mart.
They (Allen) did introduce the first commercially-available digital organ, and way too early in my opinion. When competitors finally introduced their own digital instruments, they were superiour to Allen and employed PCM audio, years before Allen finally released an organ based on PCM audio.
The MDS is a generation that should never have existed, in my not so humble opinion. It was horrible. The technology to make something essentally-similar to Renaissance existed in the late 1980's and definitely in the early 1990's. I've never heard an MDS I ever wanted to hear again (except in a recording).
I have only heard two Allen organs that were very convincing. Both of them were Renaissance models. One was so good, I thought it was a real organ the first time I heard it.
You will be pleased to hear that these instruments are indeed available in the USA. If you wish, please send a message to keith@churchorganworld.co.uk to receive details and to discuss more fully.
What's your opinion of Rodgers organs? As far as American built digital organs go,they would be my second choice!
Actually, Rodgers was going under and I believe Johannus bought them. I heard Rodgers, Allen, and Johannus at an AGO conference and the Johannus was clearly a better sounding instrument - especially the higher-end models. Check out their website. There are some samples of some music. I think Rodgers has nicer cabinetry, that is all.
Well . Ian Tracey is a lovely bloke. But...This is NOT Copeman Hart....but Johannes ( Dutch Company) who owns Church Organ World. The samples of sound are "British" in origin, but the Organ is made in Holland.. Copeman-Hart was british until taken over by Johannes ( Dr. Harrington as Agent). Their technology was proudly "Bradford System " based and then "voiced "(really voiced) by experts in this field. NOT just recorded Digital organ ranks ! How the Digital system now embraces the old Copeman Hart "analogue system" ..........I don't know. .Ask Hugh Banton who is the expert.
It's digital- there was not enough space to install a real pipe organ.
Neil Williamson n
Just a big buzzer. They must have paid him a fortune.
humpty dumpty
This instrument whilst having plenty of nice sounds seems to be extremely underwhelming when it comes to the chorus reeds. As for the so-called 32' reed, just sounds like a fat mans fart dying away on a distant wind. Why are they so weak for £150 k !!
They are supposed to sound like a fat man's fart!
Ian is a great artist, this digital organ tone is a disappointment however. Walker Technical in America makes a much nicer digital instrument. If those English samples could be executed by Walker, would be breathtaking!
Reading all the negative comments makes me wonder if these people have ever heard this in the flesh? Certainly your home computer speakers are not going to give you anything like the real sound of these amazing instruments. Additionally given the running costs ( compared to 'investment' in a pipe organ) please do not forget to factor in over time how much you will have spent maintaining your 'investment'. A new Copeman Hart would certainly cost less than a major clean and overhaul of your 'real' organ let alone the tuning costs in the intervening years. Also might i suggest the purists should dispense with electric blowers, console playing aids and lights. in favour of hand blowing, mechanical combination pedals and candles! Like it or not we live in the 21st century. By all means preserve heritage where it is worth preserving but other than that live in the present and embrace the future. please.
No surprise the digital snobs are comparing apples and carrots.