Since you are so astounded and amazed at how well OCLP works, I surely hope you donated a buck or five to the OCLP team. After all, not only have they produced a product that left you astounded and amazed, and gave new life to an old product, but you are making TH-cam content with it. But sadly, 99.99% of folks just leave it at “amazed” and never think or care to support the teams that make the product.
Very fair comment, thanks for calling it out. Now I must say that I’ve tinkered with OCLP a few times over the years, though never remember the releases coming out as fast as they are at the moment, also never seemed quite as easy as it was on this Mac mini before. But from memory, there are no options to donate on their official website, as I recall they only ask for old hardware if you have some hanging around. I’ve never check for a discord channel etc so I’m relying on what’s on their webpage. Certainly don’t want to be dropping links for ‘buy me a coffee’ to someone who isn’t a legit person behind the scenes. If you are able to point me in the right direction I’d look at it and see if we can support them in any way(s). Truly grateful for people like those that build stuff like this. Happy to give back and I honestly appreciate the call out on this matter.
First thing first: I totally agree the OCLP team has done a great job on this, donate if you can. I upgraded my iMac 12 (i7 3.xGHz, 256/2T fusion, 16GB memory) from High Sierra to Sonoma just a day or so ago, using release 1.2.1. Process was straight forward (I even used my hard drive instead of USB stick). My take at this point is I think Sonoma takes a lot more graphics power than some of these older systems can handle. For example, the much-raved full motion screen saver and wallpaper simply do not work on my machine. Simple video on TH-cam feels "labored" (fine on High Sierra). I think I am going to fall back to may be Big Sur and see how that goes.
…’donate if you can’t… honestly, who cannot afford $1-$3 (or their local currency equivalent)?. It’s not like the software authors are demanding $500, or a subscription at $50 monthly …. If every person who actually used OCLP would donate $2, and every person who used it in a commercial money-making income way would subscribe for $3/monthly, the results would be most favorable for the Mac Community.
@techforlife91 OpenCore Legacy Patcher only works enough for a desktop screenshot; the only thing it does, is downgrade system libraries and drivers to shit, turning off system protection measures to achieve so. It is incredibly unstable from my observations. I advise against using your money on this, and instead buying a refurbished supported Mac, or building a hackintosh.
A few weeks ago, a neighbor doing a yard sale gave me a 2010 imac with a bad HDD. I put a 1tb SSD in there and gave the computer to my 7 year old son. He loves it. At first he was using it to play gamecube games. Now he's discovering games I own on steam that have Mac versions and started learning blender
I have a mac mini 2012 i5 16gb ram and ssd like the video. From my experience going through all the available version in oclp , Monterrey is the most equilibrated so far. Fast boot up and performance. Big Sur works pretty well too but too similar with Monterrey that is newer and more secure. I reccomend Monterrey so far
I think for me, even though I/we do use the MacMini a little more after Sonoma than we were before, we are still not working it very hard as there are other computers in the family that do more of the 'daily driver' things. For me, I have not noticed any drawbacks to using Sonoma on this but I appreciate your comments, perhaps I'll try to use it as a 'daily' for a week or so to see if I have a different opinion when it's actually my main device.
@@WhatTheFlash-cx6ox off course. Sonoma its beautiful and works amazing(incredible that a 2012 machine can handle a normal use) , but i noticed it a little bit laggy for example in things that has more gpu usage. Anyways all depends in the user needs , for browsing and office stuff its still amazing ! I hope see more of yours channel. See ya !
I just installed Sonoma on a 2014 mini the other day, it worked great and even though it's a dual core i5 with 8GB of ram and a M.2 SSD I installed in it runs like a champ! The OCLP guys are saviors of Mac's going to landfills in this world. Considering Apple could care less after 5 years if your Mac is in a landfill or not since they'd rather just sell you a new Mac!
what are you talking about you get the newest OS after 5 years every time, actually more. literally all macs are used more than 10 years and then still sold
Did you get any issues during the install? I am genuinely surprised how well it runs on mine, even started using it a bit more often than I did before the Sonoma install. So for me, I used the Mac mini as a host when building my OCLP install disk. Once in the recovery screen I wiped the existing disk as I didn’t need anything on it, so it was a clean install in my case. That said I do use a Fusion Drive at the moment, which I don’t rate, but I can’t complain about its performance. The OS is installed by default to the SSD part and like I say, it runs really well for me. If a clean install and no errors during installation doesn’t improve it, it might be worth trying a different SSD, even just a cheap one to see if that has a positive impact.
Dude, I have ventura installed by opencore on my Mac Mini late 2012, the opencore on the PC is updated, how do I update it to Sonoma? Do I have to do the whole process again or can I simply have the update installed via the system since I have opencore installed on the system?
i have a 2012 mac mini 2.3 i7 with ssd harddisk. Installed Sonoma 14.5 today. Works fine. opdatede from 14.4. Used OCLP as always and I have donated to the team because of their great work for all of us
I have the same device but replaced the HDD with a Samsung SSD 840 EVO 1TB. So that should even be better. Oeps I see you replaced the HDD, good move. Now that OpenCore patcher 1.5.0 is working so well..... You made my day :-)
I spent two days trying to see the EFI drive option. It turned out that I was using a hub. When I plugged the drive directly into the back of the mac mini (it may be port dependent), it worked like a charm, until . . . . A few days later, I upgraded my Office 365 (web version), sometime shortly thereafter, I got the "grey box" when I wanted to highlight (i.e. click) on something. As one of the features I use the most, if forced by to revert back to OS 10.15. That is a story in itself!
Updates are a point to be wary of. I don’t really think there are downsides, to be fair. But updates can cause issues, there was an issue with 14.1 recently that cause some problems for early adopters. I think this is one of those small print times where you probably shouldn’t be relying on OCLP on a computer that is your main source of income. So if you were a developer or something that is relying on that computer to help you churn out code in order to earn a paycheque, then you probably shouldn’t be relying on a free piece of software to keep you at the front of the update queue if that makes any sense at all. For me, I’ve been collecting older bits of Apple tech mostly as it falls out of official support, not yet retro and the prices crash. I was picking them up and throwing Linux on them and then using them as hobby machines or giving them to family members that might just want some web browsing in the kitchen but don’t really want a new iMac or something. I started experimenting with OCLP around, I don’t know, maybe v0.5.7 or something like that, at the time it felt like it needed videos for hand holding, it felt like there were things people needed to do to make it work well and even then, it could just fall over at any time - at least that’s how I felt about it, but I’m a long time Linux user so maybe I was just flexing on OCLP because the Linux experience on the same hardware was easy and rock solid. But these later OCLP versions are night and day better than my early experiences. So now I’m trying the latest macOS or within a couple of versions anyway to see how the hardware stands up, if it’s good and the experience isn’t jarring then that’s the OS I leave on that machine, like with this Mac mini, but if it’s a bit naff, like the problems I see on my Mac pro 3,1, then that’s more of a windows or Linux system in my eyes. If you have a Mac mini at a similar age to the one in this video, you should definitely try OCLP + sonoma. If you don’t like it, nothings broken, you can always go back to what you prefer.
@@WhatTheFlash-cx6ox Thanks for your reply and good advice not to rely on this for a computer you rely on. See my comments elsewhere about my experience trying to install Sonoma on my MacBook Air 2013. Didn’t work and now I can’t get any Mac OS installed on it.
@@markbullen OCLP 1.2.0 fixes the 14.1 screen bug issue by automatically installing KDKs for a new update you're installing which reduces the risk of running into issues. I recommend not installing any macOS update until someone reports an issue and an OCLP update fixes it.
Ι run Ventura on a MacBookPro late 2008... Works fine for daily tasks and on the plus side i can also boot into Win11 23H2 and Linux MX... OCLP is a superb piece of software!
Hi I have a Mac mini late 2012 i7 16Gb and I tried the OCP multiple times the issue I am having is that the boot options do not come Up when rebooting. Tried million times before after the chime different keys…through the recovery and disk selector but nothing… any suggestion please? I am using a keyboard wireless with dongle but I can enter the recovery at boot but not select the boot from…help!
I have a mac mini late 2012. My problem was i lost the wifi temporally and the bluetooth died completelly. i cant use the keybord or the mouse. i have to install big sur
I didn't, but I think for me, even though I/we do use the MacMini a little more after Sonoma than we were before, we are still not working it very hard as there are other computers in the family that do more of the 'daily driver' things. I saw another comment and think I will try to use the MacMini with Sonoma as my 'daily driver' for a week or so when I get back home to see if I have a different opinion when it is a computer I need on a daily basis.
I tried updating my 16GB 1TB SSD Mac Mini 2012 (6.2) with Sonoma - it was so sluggish I went back to Catalina within a day. Basic OS functionality like dragging windows and opening menus took a big hit in speed. Not recommended.
Do you know the model of your MacBook Pro? Supported models are here: dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.html#macbook-pro I think the main thing will be to make sure you have an SSD - it makes such a big difference. Of course depending on the age (model) of the MBP and which things can even be changed on that particular unit.
@@greenhorngameplays5743 I would, it does seem to be running less buggy than it did under ventura, notification center never worked under ventura works fine under sonoma
I’ve not stumbled into the DRM issue yet, but to be fair, the Mac mini in our house was mostly being used for batocera, until OCLP allowed sonoma to run and so effortlessly, now we do use it a lot more in its true macOS guise but perhaps not enough to find issues.
With Sonoma, I no longer have streams of my sports channel DAZN, Sky Sport and Magenta Sport. Neither on my Mac Mini 2012 nor on younger, no longer supported Macs. Too bad, but so Sonoma makes no sense to me. Unless someone has help to turn off my problem. Greetings from Germany , Thomas .
Currently on travel for work, when I get home, I will try to use the MacMini as my main computer for a week or so, I think my amazement with how well Sonoma works (thanks to OCLP) needs to be balanced against how often I rely on that machine, I will report back once I've had chance to get home and get my working life replicated to the MacMini and that should give me a real idea of what issues I face.
this is the worst! I added the link here, not sure if it will work, if not, I can upload latest version (at time of writing) to the Google drive if that will help. github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/releases/download/1.2.1/OpenCore-Patcher-GUI.app.zip
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Since you are so astounded and amazed at how well OCLP works, I surely hope you donated a buck or five to the OCLP team.
After all, not only have they produced a product that left you astounded and amazed, and gave new life to an old product, but you are making TH-cam content with it.
But sadly, 99.99% of folks just leave it at “amazed” and never think or care to support the teams that make the product.
Very fair comment, thanks for calling it out.
Now I must say that I’ve tinkered with OCLP a few times over the years, though never remember the releases coming out as fast as they are at the moment, also never seemed quite as easy as it was on this Mac mini before. But from memory, there are no options to donate on their official website, as I recall they only ask for old hardware if you have some hanging around.
I’ve never check for a discord channel etc so I’m relying on what’s on their webpage. Certainly don’t want to be dropping links for ‘buy me a coffee’ to someone who isn’t a legit person behind the scenes. If you are able to point me in the right direction I’d look at it and see if we can support them in any way(s).
Truly grateful for people like those that build stuff like this. Happy to give back and I honestly appreciate the call out on this matter.
First thing first: I totally agree the OCLP team has done a great job on this, donate if you can. I upgraded my iMac 12 (i7 3.xGHz, 256/2T fusion, 16GB memory) from High Sierra to Sonoma just a day or so ago, using release 1.2.1. Process was straight forward (I even used my hard drive instead of USB stick). My take at this point is I think Sonoma takes a lot more graphics power than some of these older systems can handle. For example, the much-raved full motion screen saver and wallpaper simply do not work on my machine. Simple video on TH-cam feels "labored" (fine on High Sierra). I think I am going to fall back to may be Big Sur and see how that goes.
…’donate if you can’t… honestly, who cannot afford $1-$3 (or their local currency equivalent)?. It’s not like the software authors are demanding $500, or a subscription at $50 monthly ….
If every person who actually used OCLP would donate $2, and every person who used it in a commercial money-making income way would subscribe for $3/monthly, the results would be most favorable for the Mac Community.
Monterey is the sweet spot for MM2012 imo - i'm avoiding that iOS-like preferences pane for as long as possible
excited for the new M4 2024 offering
MM2012 are perfect machines for casual users esp older folks
Good video bro. Now I'm thinking of buying one for my daughter.
@techforlife91 OpenCore Legacy Patcher only works enough for a desktop screenshot; the only thing it does, is downgrade system libraries and drivers to shit, turning off system protection measures to achieve so. It is incredibly unstable from my observations. I advise against using your money on this, and instead buying a refurbished supported Mac, or building a hackintosh.
A few weeks ago, a neighbor doing a yard sale gave me a 2010 imac with a bad HDD. I put a 1tb SSD in there and gave the computer to my 7 year old son. He loves it. At first he was using it to play gamecube games. Now he's discovering games I own on steam that have Mac versions and started learning blender
I have a mac mini 2012 i5 16gb ram and ssd like the video. From my experience going through all the available version in oclp , Monterrey is the most equilibrated so far. Fast boot up and performance. Big Sur works pretty well too but too similar with Monterrey that is newer and more secure. I reccomend Monterrey so far
I think for me, even though I/we do use the MacMini a little more after Sonoma than we were before, we are still not working it very hard as there are other computers in the family that do more of the 'daily driver' things. For me, I have not noticed any drawbacks to using Sonoma on this but I appreciate your comments, perhaps I'll try to use it as a 'daily' for a week or so to see if I have a different opinion when it's actually my main device.
@@WhatTheFlash-cx6ox off course. Sonoma its beautiful and works amazing(incredible that a 2012 machine can handle a normal use) , but i noticed it a little bit laggy for example in things that has more gpu usage. Anyways all depends in the user needs , for browsing and office stuff its still amazing ! I hope see more of yours channel. See ya !
I just installed Sonoma on a 2014 mini the other day, it worked great and even though it's a dual core i5 with 8GB of ram and a M.2 SSD I installed in it runs like a champ! The OCLP guys are saviors of Mac's going to landfills in this world. Considering Apple could care less after 5 years if your Mac is in a landfill or not since they'd rather just sell you a new Mac!
what are you talking about you get the newest OS after 5 years every time, actually more.
literally all macs are used more than 10 years and then still sold
I felt Sonoma was a bit laggy on my 2012 Mac Mini. Would you recommend Ventura instead? [i5/16/256]
I'm running sonoma via an ssd on my 2012 mac mini i7 with 16gb ram. Its very very slow so far, wondering if you found any workarounds.
Did you get any issues during the install?
I am genuinely surprised how well it runs on mine, even started using it a bit more often than I did before the Sonoma install.
So for me, I used the Mac mini as a host when building my OCLP install disk.
Once in the recovery screen I wiped the existing disk as I didn’t need anything on it, so it was a clean install in my case.
That said I do use a Fusion Drive at the moment, which I don’t rate, but I can’t complain about its performance. The OS is installed by default to the SSD part and like I say, it runs really well for me.
If a clean install and no errors during installation doesn’t improve it, it might be worth trying a different SSD, even just a cheap one to see if that has a positive impact.
My MacBook Pro is from the same year and has almost the same config but in a smaller package and runs good. Maybe an OS reinstall might help.
thanks for the tutorial. A question, can I use the Bluetooth keyboard and mouse during the procedure or could I have problems? thanks in advance
You can’t toggle the boot drive with Bluetooth keyboard during reboot.
Dude, I have ventura installed by opencore on my Mac Mini late 2012, the opencore on the PC is updated, how do I update it to Sonoma? Do I have to do the whole process again or can I simply have the update installed via the system since I have opencore installed on the system?
i have a 2012 mac mini 2.3 i7 with ssd harddisk. Installed Sonoma 14.5 today. Works fine. opdatede from 14.4. Used OCLP as always and I have donated to the team because of their great work for all of us
What is your graphics ?Mine Intel Hd Graphics 3000 512mb not working. It shows only 7 bytes
I have the same device but replaced the HDD with a Samsung SSD 840 EVO 1TB. So that should even be better. Oeps I see you replaced the HDD, good move.
Now that OpenCore patcher 1.5.0 is working so well..... You made my day :-)
I spent two days trying to see the EFI drive option. It turned out that I was using a hub. When I plugged the drive directly into the back of the mac mini (it may be port dependent), it worked like a charm, until . . . . A few days later, I upgraded my Office 365 (web version), sometime shortly thereafter, I got the "grey box" when I wanted to highlight (i.e. click) on something. As one of the features I use the most, if forced by to revert back to OS 10.15. That is a story in itself!
What about updates post-installation? Are those handled like they would be on an official Sonoma installation? Is there any downside to doing this?
Updates are a point to be wary of.
I don’t really think there are downsides, to be fair. But updates can cause issues, there was an issue with 14.1 recently that cause some problems for early adopters.
I think this is one of those small print times where you probably shouldn’t be relying on OCLP on a computer that is your main source of income. So if you were a developer or something that is relying on that computer to help you churn out code in order to earn a paycheque, then you probably shouldn’t be relying on a free piece of software to keep you at the front of the update queue if that makes any sense at all.
For me, I’ve been collecting older bits of Apple tech mostly as it falls out of official support, not yet retro and the prices crash. I was picking them up and throwing Linux on them and then using them as hobby machines or giving them to family members that might just want some web browsing in the kitchen but don’t really want a new iMac or something.
I started experimenting with OCLP around, I don’t know, maybe v0.5.7 or something like that, at the time it felt like it needed videos for hand holding, it felt like there were things people needed to do to make it work well and even then, it could just fall over at any time - at least that’s how I felt about it, but I’m a long time Linux user so maybe I was just flexing on OCLP because the Linux experience on the same hardware was easy and rock solid.
But these later OCLP versions are night and day better than my early experiences. So now I’m trying the latest macOS or within a couple of versions anyway to see how the hardware stands up, if it’s good and the experience isn’t jarring then that’s the OS I leave on that machine, like with this Mac mini, but if it’s a bit naff, like the problems I see on my Mac pro 3,1, then that’s more of a windows or Linux system in my eyes.
If you have a Mac mini at a similar age to the one in this video, you should definitely try OCLP + sonoma. If you don’t like it, nothings broken, you can always go back to what you prefer.
@@WhatTheFlash-cx6ox Thanks for your reply and good advice not to rely on this for a computer you rely on. See my comments elsewhere about my experience trying to install Sonoma on my MacBook Air 2013. Didn’t work and now I can’t get any Mac OS installed on it.
@@markbullen OCLP 1.2.0 fixes the 14.1 screen bug issue by automatically installing KDKs for a new update you're installing which reduces the risk of running into issues. I recommend not installing any macOS update until someone reports an issue and an OCLP update fixes it.
@@markbullenI have a 2013 MacBook Air running Big Sur. Thanks for your comment.
Ι run Ventura on a MacBookPro late 2008... Works fine for daily tasks and on the plus side i can also boot into Win11 23H2 and Linux MX... OCLP is a superb piece of software!
Do you know if this will work with an egpu and if so how do you get it to work?
Hi I have a Mac mini late 2012 i7 16Gb and I tried the OCP multiple times the issue I am having is that the boot options do not come Up when rebooting. Tried million times before after the chime different keys…through the recovery and disk selector but nothing… any suggestion please? I am using a keyboard wireless with dongle but I can enter the recovery at boot but not select the boot from…help!
You need a old keyboard via cable. After installation you can use your Bluetooth keyboard.
I think your monitor needs desperately to be cleaned. Apart this, thanks for the demo.
How large usb drive is recommended for installer?
At least 16 gigs is needed for the installer
32 GB. 16 GB is a tiny bit to small for sonoma
Help! My wifi and bluetooth doesnt work
I have a mac mini late 2012. My problem was i lost the wifi temporally and the bluetooth died completelly. i cant use the keybord or the mouse. i have to install big sur
did you experience thermal throttling with this machine?
I didn't, but I think for me, even though I/we do use the MacMini a little more after Sonoma than we were before, we are still not working it very hard as there are other computers in the family that do more of the 'daily driver' things.
I saw another comment and think I will try to use the MacMini with Sonoma as my 'daily driver' for a week or so when I get back home to see if I have a different opinion when it is a computer I need on a daily basis.
I tried updating my 16GB 1TB SSD Mac Mini 2012 (6.2) with Sonoma - it was so sluggish I went back to Catalina within a day. Basic OS functionality like dragging windows and opening menus took a big hit in speed. Not recommended.
Glad that we now need an M1 to accomplish tasks that could be done back in the 80s without lag...
macbook pro with 8gb ram is it enough for a start?
Do you know the model of your MacBook Pro?
Supported models are here: dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.html#macbook-pro
I think the main thing will be to make sure you have an SSD - it makes such a big difference. Of course depending on the age (model) of the MBP and which things can even be changed on that particular unit.
I have sonoma running on my 2012 i5 mini, woeks fine except apple Fairplay DRM does not work, started using Brave with Widevine for streaming
I have the same mac mini as you and it's running Ventura. Should I install Sonoma? Please share your thoughts!
@@greenhorngameplays5743 I would, it does seem to be running less buggy than it did under ventura, notification center never worked under ventura works fine under sonoma
I’ve not stumbled into the DRM issue yet, but to be fair, the Mac mini in our house was mostly being used for batocera, until OCLP allowed sonoma to run and so effortlessly, now we do use it a lot more in its true macOS guise but perhaps not enough to find issues.
With Sonoma, I no longer have streams of my sports channel DAZN, Sky Sport and Magenta Sport. Neither on my Mac Mini 2012 nor on younger, no longer supported Macs. Too bad, but so Sonoma makes no sense to me.
Unless someone has help to turn off my problem.
Greetings from Germany , Thomas .
Currently on travel for work, when I get home, I will try to use the MacMini as my main computer for a week or so, I think my amazement with how well Sonoma works (thanks to OCLP) needs to be balanced against how often I rely on that machine, I will report back once I've had chance to get home and get my working life replicated to the MacMini and that should give me a real idea of what issues I face.
no browser is opening the asset
this is the worst!
I added the link here, not sure if it will work, if not, I can upload latest version (at time of writing) to the Google drive if that will help.
github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/releases/download/1.2.1/OpenCore-Patcher-GUI.app.zip
doesn’t work
Try Apple TV + watch a movie