2nd anchor looked ok but first looked sketchy. 2 pieces in a shallow crack and 1 piece below the master point that was somehow integrated into anchor... maybe for an upwards pull I guess?
Yup, upward pull is definitely something to consider on multi’s when you’re belaying the second after changing over any pitch and your partner is already leading or about to come on belay. This is advantageous because if your partner falls and on the rare chance it’s actually a solid whip the climbers fall forces on the rope, gear and belay can have catastrophic implications, for example….. same situation my partner prepares to leave the ballet for the next pitch, and after clipping a quick draw to one of the anchor points, he clips his rope into that, and then comes off the Pelee and starts to climb up placing gear every 7 feet in the crack until he gets about 25 feet above me, he maxes out quick 7:42 ….FALLS!!!!!! Given that he didn’t expect to fall. He was about 10 feet above his last piece and landed even with me, but laying off to the side about 15 feet with the amount of force is put on the top piece of gear, the bottom four pieces were prevented from leveling out of the crack by the one piece as an outrigger For upward Pull saved the day as if it wasn’t for the upward directional the impact can zipper the bottom pieces all the way up to the piece that you just fell on, that would leave you hanging however far up a pitch with 1 piece of gear between you and your belayer……..I don’t know if you folks out there remember Goran Kopp but this exact type of zipper situation is what killed him at Frenchman Cooley in Washington state, he was climbing a crack system, but was using all sport style, draws to clip due his camping devices, when he fell not very far above his last piece, and the force of his fall created in a Normas impact and the bottom, six pieces zippered all the way up to his penultimate piece what he had fell on also failed under extreme impact forces leaving Goran 60+ feet off the deck to a ground fall that killed him, unfortunate circumstance that could have been absolutely avoided using one piece right near the base of the route, rigged for downward pull.
Liebe Grüße zu euch ins schöne Tirol! Inzwischen sind Achim und ich auch wieder in den Mixed Routen der Alpen unterwegs. Vielleicht läuft man sich ja einmal über den Weg. :)) LG, Markus
Maybe you can help me out, I'm trying to prepare myself mentally before taking any physical classes on trad climbing I've read several books and took an online course in the subject but I still have some questions - how did you protect yourself from the fall without a belayer? What I mean is how did you get enough slack for all the anchor points but still the rope saves you? Or maybe I'm completely wrong but perhaps you have some insight to offer?
Normally you would have a belayer. In this case, he was only climbing up high enough to build an anchor, then attach directly to the anchor to test it. Then when he led the entire route, he did have a belayer.
That low nut protects the anchor against an upward force. Without that low piece, the anchor could flip up during a long lead fall on the pitch above :) If the anchor is used for TR belaying only, you don't need that nut. When time is critical (e.g. in the alpine), one might omit the low piece at first, and then add it while belaying the follower, so once the follower passes and switches to leading, the anchor is protected against upward forces.
What about sport climbing outdoors on rock, free solo climbing, alpine climbing or aid climbing. Trad climbing is just one discipline so adding it in the title makes searching easier.
I have the feeling that - depending on the country - rock climbing is understood differently. So in Germany when you tell somebody you go "rock"-climbing, it is mostly associated with "sport"-climbing :) We made a video that explains the different styles of climbing, I'd be interested in what you think! th-cam.com/video/DxZbc6PJjHE/w-d-xo.html
If you take the can upside down on a flat rock, vigorously rub the can in said rock. After a bit the protruding rim will wear to the point of opening.
0:18 is the dude on the left a ventriloquist? 😂😂
Was wondering if this was legit. Then I saw you open a can with half your gear
2nd anchor looked ok but first looked sketchy. 2 pieces in a shallow crack and 1 piece below the master point that was somehow integrated into anchor... maybe for an upwards pull I guess?
Yup, upward pull is definitely something to consider on multi’s when you’re belaying the second after changing over any pitch and your partner is already leading or about to come on belay. This is advantageous because if your partner falls and on the rare chance it’s actually a solid whip the climbers fall forces on the rope, gear and belay can have catastrophic implications, for example….. same situation my partner prepares to leave the ballet for the next pitch, and after clipping a quick draw to one of the anchor points, he clips his rope into that, and then comes off the Pelee and starts to climb up placing gear every 7 feet in the crack until he gets about 25 feet above me, he maxes out quick 7:42 ….FALLS!!!!!! Given that he didn’t expect to fall. He was about 10 feet above his last piece and landed even with me, but laying off to the side about 15 feet with the amount of force is put on the top piece of gear, the bottom four pieces were prevented from leveling out of the crack by the one piece as an outrigger For upward Pull saved the day as if it wasn’t for the upward directional the impact can zipper the bottom pieces all the way up to the piece that you just fell on, that would leave you hanging however far up a pitch with 1 piece of gear between you and your belayer……..I don’t know if you folks out there remember Goran Kopp but this exact type of zipper situation is what killed him at Frenchman Cooley in Washington state, he was climbing a crack system, but was using all sport style, draws to clip due his camping devices, when he fell not very far above his last piece, and the force of his fall created in a Normas impact and the bottom, six pieces zippered all the way up to his penultimate piece what he had fell on also failed under extreme impact forces leaving Goran 60+ feet off the deck to a ground fall that killed him, unfortunate circumstance that could have been absolutely avoided using one piece right near the base of the route, rigged for downward pull.
Ok how the crap do you retrieve the anchor and gear though??? I’ve sport lead climbing for a few months and want to get into this eventually
You grab the gear and jump, obviously!
You know that if you rub the rim of the top of the can enough on a rock the top will literally come right off.
One of your best videos so far guys! :) Looks like a lot of fun!
I wonder how terrible the others are...
what a great exercise in rope management
Really great video and nice channel you got here! :D
Lesson number 2, how to secure your backpack lol
Aus welcher Gegend stammen diese Aufnahmen ? Sieht sehr schön aus.
LG
Das ist bei Ulorna in Bohuslän, Schweden
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Danke für die Antwort.
Ich werde das in nächster Zeit ausprobieren. Bei uns in Tirol werden auf diese Art Mixed-Routen abgesichert.
Liebe Grüße zu euch ins schöne Tirol!
Inzwischen sind Achim und ich auch wieder in den Mixed Routen der Alpen unterwegs. Vielleicht läuft man sich ja einmal über den Weg. :))
LG, Markus
the thug life was instant sub
Trad climbing is pretty rad
Maybe you can help me out, I'm trying to prepare myself mentally before taking any physical classes on trad climbing I've read several books and took an online course in the subject but I still have some questions - how did you protect yourself from the fall without a belayer? What I mean is how did you get enough slack for all the anchor points but still the rope saves you? Or maybe I'm completely wrong but perhaps you have some insight to offer?
Normally you would have a belayer. In this case, he was only climbing up high enough to build an anchor, then attach directly to the anchor to test it.
Then when he led the entire route, he did have a belayer.
So how do you get your gear back?
You learned something, we didn't.
Were they using cams? A camming device?
Important question inspired by your can oppening technique: you went trad climbing without a knife? Bro U mad? ;)
Sketchy anchors 😮 you not use lockers 😮
Why did you put one nut so low in the anchor
That low nut protects the anchor against an upward force. Without that low piece, the anchor could flip up during a long lead fall on the pitch above :)
If the anchor is used for TR belaying only, you don't need that nut.
When time is critical (e.g. in the alpine), one might omit the low piece at first, and then add it while belaying the follower, so once the follower passes and switches to leading, the anchor is protected against upward forces.
Dude. Why did you put such loud music over this? That whistling was ear piercing.
my guy, look at the lens, not the viewfinder
Wtf ? Helmet?
that music though. literally checked the year on this. yep. that music has always been awful.
Nobody carrying a knife in the woods? Shame on you.
Dude, get a pocket knife with a can opener...
Dislike.
"Trad" climbing is Rock climbing, just call it rock climbing. If you're not rock climbing you're either sport climbing or bouldering.
What about sport climbing outdoors on rock, free solo climbing, alpine climbing or aid climbing. Trad climbing is just one discipline so adding it in the title makes searching easier.
I have the feeling that - depending on the country - rock climbing is understood differently. So in Germany when you tell somebody you go "rock"-climbing, it is mostly associated with "sport"-climbing :)
We made a video that explains the different styles of climbing, I'd be interested in what you think!
th-cam.com/video/DxZbc6PJjHE/w-d-xo.html
@Dave Hause oKaY bR0