We’ve had our old one for over 15 years the same as the one you showed first and it suddenly stopped turning on. It’s remote controlled so we just thought that we’d get a new insert and the workings underneath but the gas man wouldn’t touch it. My daughter went to a showroom today and they said that we needed a new fire excluding the pale limestone surround which is similar to all of yours. It’s going to cost over 4,000.00 but after seeing this I can understand why, they all look so beautiful. I’ve found it unpleasant to sit in my lounge for a few years now. I actually bought a Carbon Monoxide monitor because I felt so ill and I thought it was the gas fire. Thank you for the incredible demonstration, I’ll be showing this to my husband tomorrow.
Hi. How do you clean the flu to these gas fires. As the test it had some smoke didn't all go up the flu. Som didn't all go up there. Is it best to clean the flu on the fire
Do we need to use the flu for.the gas fire then. As the gas man who we bought the fire and surround from has called it off for some reason. Do we actually need the flu. Where else could the fumes go from the fire
Very helpful video but I wouldn't touch Gazco with a bargepole after having to deal with the rubbish one that was (new) in my house when I bought it, having been installed by the previous owner. It almost always fails to light and even after calling out an engineer (several times) it almost immediately goes back to its old unreliable tricks after they've left. Some of the engineers didn't even really seem to understand what to do with it, and the one proper Gazco engineer who called was based in somewhere like Swindon (and I'm in Manchester). If this is British engineering at its best (and at the prices Gazco cost) then lord help us!!! The existing one is probably about 10% efficient anyway (lovely yellow flames of incomplete combustion but very little radiated heat and no convective heat but hey, for people with more money and blingmania than sense Gazco will happily heat the planet). SO I'm watching this video to fins a simple replacement (one that can be lit with a match if need be - it seems the old 1960s ones with ceramic candles can still be got and are claimed to be 82% efficient, so what's new!)
Just found out the 90 percent efficiency of he fires only applies to full output.. at minimum outpout( which is about half power or 2 kw the efficiency falls to 50 percent.. funny nobody ever points this out
Thank you for your video. We are not on mains gas but would like a gas fire/stove in our loft conversion. Could it be fuelled from an external pipe to bottled gas?
Gas fires are available for use on LPG but bear in mind bottled gas used to be very expensive (cost similar to on peak electricity) and probably still is. I would only consider LPG for a gas hob since gas is good to cook with.
It's a great shame that manufacturers for the UK market believe that it's OK to burn natural gas with a yellow flame (which every school girl / boy knows is inefficient), I would never buy a gas stove with a yellow flame burner. I've got an old 1970s Radiation Ascot SuperSaver 70 with a blue flame burner (the flames have tongues like a bunsen burner) with the old style ceramic radiants laid fairly flat and with ceramic `coals' laid on top and a glass front and a strong convector. This gives an orange heat (hotter than red hot) coke fire effect and I wish the manufacturers would design their fires along these lines. In (roughly) the 90s Glow-worm in the UK offered a condensing gas fire with 3 kW output & fan powered balanced flue but again made the mistake of thinking that a gas fire must mimick a coal fire with some yellow flame unfortunately. It was not a great commercial success probably due to it's cost for a relatively small heat output; however it did have an efficiency of I imagine around 80%.
the yellow flame is so the fire looks real, gas and air are mixed unlike in the old flame gas fires from the 70s which only burned gas and were not very warm and very expensive to run I wouldn't buy a flame gas fire which has blue flames as coal or log fires don't burn with blue flames, same as I wouldn't buy a fire with pebbles as pebbles don't burn in the real world
Hi - just need to correct a few myths here. A 1970s radiant fire will not be as efficient as a modern glass-fronted fuel-effect gas fire. The key to efficiency is in the convective component of the fire's output and the ability to control the excess air which is drawn into the flue. An old radiant fire will not control the excess air so well as a modern glass-fronted appliance (the glass front is to stop excess air being pulled into the flue). If the gas inset fire does not have a glass front then the efficiency will also be relatively low. Modern glass-fronted gas fires have efficiencies of 80% +
@@iancford Agree in general with you except for the efficiency of modern glass fronted gas fires, I would estimate their efficiency as max 70% depending on flue conditions bearing in mind that 1980s cast iron gas boilers with a fanned flue could only achieve 80% while the burner was firing (less when short cycling). Some UK log burner manufacturers claim up to 80%, again very hard to believe bearing in mind the flue temperature. N.B. In the USA the convection heat exchanger of a gas fire is sometimes fan assisted which is a great idea imo btw.
We’ve had our old one for over 15 years the same as the one you showed first and it suddenly stopped turning on. It’s remote controlled so we just thought that we’d get a new insert and the workings underneath but the gas man wouldn’t touch it. My daughter went to a showroom today and they said that we needed a new fire excluding the pale limestone surround which is similar to all of yours. It’s going to cost over 4,000.00 but after seeing this I can understand why, they all look so beautiful. I’ve found it unpleasant to sit in my lounge for a few years now. I actually bought a Carbon Monoxide monitor because I felt so ill and I thought it was the gas fire. Thank you for the incredible demonstration, I’ll be showing this to my husband tomorrow.
Beautiful fires ! Well done . They look great !!
Helpful video. Only wish you had showcased the open fronted convector fires as a middle ground option
So a gas fire not giving out much heat I have a small insert one bought second hand not sure if I should insert
Hi. How do you clean the flu to these gas fires. As the test it had some smoke didn't all go up the flu. Som didn't all go up there. Is it best to clean the flu on the fire
Hi id like to purchase the 2nd gas fire in the picture
What price am I looking at ? Thanks
So nice and cozy.
If air is drawn from room , you need vent , this compromises airtightness and der-rates the energy rating . Need a balanced flue in this case .
Do we need to use the flu for.the gas fire then. As the gas man who we bought the fire and surround from has called it off for some reason. Do we actually need the flu. Where else could the fumes go from the fire
Very helpful video but I wouldn't touch Gazco with a bargepole after having to deal with the rubbish one that was (new) in my house when I bought it, having been installed by the previous owner. It almost always fails to light and even after calling out an engineer (several times) it almost immediately goes back to its old unreliable tricks after they've left. Some of the engineers didn't even really seem to understand what to do with it, and the one proper Gazco engineer who called was based in somewhere like Swindon (and I'm in Manchester). If this is British engineering at its best (and at the prices Gazco cost) then lord help us!!! The existing one is probably about 10% efficient anyway (lovely yellow flames of incomplete combustion but very little radiated heat and no convective heat but hey, for people with more money and blingmania than sense Gazco will happily heat the planet). SO I'm watching this video to fins a simple replacement (one that can be lit with a match if need be - it seems the old 1960s ones with ceramic candles can still be got and are claimed to be 82% efficient, so what's new!)
Just found out the 90 percent efficiency of he fires only applies to full output.. at minimum outpout( which is about half power or 2 kw the efficiency falls to 50 percent.. funny nobody ever points this out
Thanks
Hi can you tell me if I get a glass front fireplace would it have a negative effective on a limestone fire surround
Thank you for your video. We are not on mains gas but would like a gas fire/stove in our loft conversion. Could it be fuelled from an external pipe to bottled gas?
Gas fires are available for use on LPG but bear in mind bottled gas used to be very expensive (cost similar to on peak electricity) and probably still is.
I would only consider LPG for a gas hob since gas is good to cook with.
Great information thanks
It's a great shame that manufacturers for the UK market believe that it's OK to burn natural gas with a yellow flame (which every school girl / boy knows is inefficient), I would never buy a gas stove with a yellow flame burner.
I've got an old 1970s Radiation Ascot SuperSaver 70 with a blue flame burner (the flames have tongues like a bunsen burner) with the old style ceramic radiants laid fairly flat and with ceramic `coals' laid on top and a glass front and a strong convector. This gives an orange heat (hotter than red hot) coke fire effect and I wish the manufacturers would design their fires along these lines.
In (roughly) the 90s Glow-worm in the UK offered a condensing gas fire with 3 kW output & fan powered balanced flue but again made the mistake of thinking that a gas fire must mimick a coal fire with some yellow flame unfortunately. It was not a great commercial success probably due to it's cost for a relatively small heat output; however it did have an efficiency of I imagine around 80%.
the yellow flame is so the fire looks real, gas and air are mixed unlike in the old flame gas fires from the 70s which only burned gas and were not very warm and very expensive to run
I wouldn't buy a flame gas fire which has blue flames as coal or log fires don't burn with blue flames, same as I wouldn't buy a fire with pebbles as pebbles don't burn in the real world
Hi - just need to correct a few myths here. A 1970s radiant fire will not be as efficient as a modern glass-fronted fuel-effect gas fire. The key to efficiency is in the convective component of the fire's output and the ability to control the excess air which is drawn into the flue. An old radiant fire will not control the excess air so well as a modern glass-fronted appliance (the glass front is to stop excess air being pulled into the flue). If the gas inset fire does not have a glass front then the efficiency will also be relatively low. Modern glass-fronted gas fires have efficiencies of 80% +
@@iancford Agree in general with you except for the efficiency of modern glass fronted gas fires, I would estimate their efficiency as max 70% depending on flue conditions bearing in mind that 1980s cast iron gas boilers with a fanned flue could only achieve 80% while the burner was firing (less when short cycling).
Some UK log burner manufacturers claim up to 80%, again very hard to believe bearing in mind the flue temperature.
N.B. In the USA the convection heat exchanger of a gas fire is sometimes fan assisted which is a great idea imo btw.
Inset gas fire swith a convector are not new, I had one as far back as 1996 [Cannon[ and replaced with a Valor with convector in 2010
What if you don’t have gas at the house ?
Seriously ?