This discussion of memes reminds me of why I'm so glad the Loki bans have been lifted, because he is such the god for the internet culture. No wonder he's so population with young converts
Split homes are a chore. I am the only practicing pagan witch (former christian) in my home. My teenage children are curious and ask questions but they do not participate. The oldest has more of an atheist mindset and my youngest is christian. My christian husband was NOT happy with my slow conversion over the years but he's become more tolerant and doesn't mess with my altar anymore.
I haven't met many Christians who have the capacity to be tolerant There are a few of them, but not a lot. Glad your husband came around even if it took a while!
Finally, some Discordian representation on the smartest person on youtube's channel. I've been waiting for the entire lifetime of the channel for this.
Ocean, I dont have social media platforms so this is kinda the only way I can make contact. Are you familiar with Walpurgisnacht? I'm sure you could make use of the story.
@@Levestire yes that's good idea aslo don't have other social media platforms.I'am a pagan witch from Germany we have now morning and tonight is Walpurgisnacht we are already preparing everything but we don't have luck.First we have again Lockdown and the weather is not good. We wanted to celebrate in the forrest of course but now🤷♀️.I love and respect also Nore Gods and mithology that's why i'am here.Keltoi is great i'am so happy that a friend recommended him to me
Community I think is so important. I'm currently looking at Druidry groups to join (the ones that are pagan druids) It's very hard to be a solitary pagan.
Someone asked for Heathen content for kids. It made me think. I don't know of any specific Ásatrú books for kids, but I personally grew up with books with the various Norse myths illustrated, and retold so children could understand them. Those sorta things are really great for younger children. Mind you, I'm Norwegian, so I dunno if things work differently here in Scandinavia. We also learned about the gods in school.
conan is also a figure within irish mythology. Conán mac Morna, also known as Conán Maol ("the bald"), is a member of the fianna and an ally of Fionn mac Cumhail in the Fenian Cycle of Irish mythology. He is usually portrayed as a troublemaker and a comic figure, fat, greedy and blustering, although he is loyal to Fionn and never runs from a fight. Crom Cruach was a pagan god of pre-Christian Ireland. According to Christian writers, he was propitiated with human sacrifice and his worship was ended by Saint Patrick. He is also referred to as Crom Cróich, Cenn Cruach/Cróich and Cenncroithi. He is related to the later mythological and folkloric figure Crom Dubh. The references in the dinsenchas ("place-lore") poem in the 12th century to sacrifice in exchange for milk and grain suggest that Crom had a function as fertility god. The description of his image as a gold figure surrounded by twelve stone or bronze figures has been interpreted as representing the sun surrounded by the signs of the zodiac, which would make him a solar deity. conan and crom have historical origins apart from robert e. howard's fiction.
Talking about a group that went a different way than intended, there's a local kindred where I live, that was originally inclusive, but most of the membership was not well educated in the ways of Norse polytheism. When the original gothi passed away, there was a new one selected after being selected he turned the kindred into a folkish group. The gothi is an AFA member, and pushes for all members to become AFA members. It's sad because that kindred is the only one I'm aware of in my area.
I'm going to put this out there Northwestern Iowa? Feel free to comment, I am desperately lonely out here. I'm eclectic pagan, lokean.... and tempted by Norse
Not a pagan. But I like the notion of Folk. But I think I’d apply it differently from Oz. I prefer to see my Folk (or the people I’m a part of) as every person in the world. (And since International Law exists, it’s not too hard to fit that. Though as a socialist, I’d change “Law” into “society”, and I don’t see society as divided by country).
Everyone on earth, or in your trade sphere is also effected by how well your harvest is going. You could probably extend the idea of folk even more broadly.
What i find amusing with the term Folk within pagan/heathen/etcetc circle, is that Folk is still a normal/common norwegian word for people, that can be used in sentences similar to "those people over there" or "our people"
@@crushinnihilism Unless you prove that your not a racist or member of the AFA. Considering that most people in the Norse pagan community who use the term Folk are either racist or are members of the AFA, Ocean and other Norse pagans have every right to question people.
@@crushinnihilismOh yes, "purity testing", a bunch of mixed blooded Americans testing to find out how much Scandinavian ancestry they have to prove that they are a superior race while gatekeeping a religion and attack queer individuals and anyone who is "not pure" couch... black!... cough. You support that bs, you get no support from me or anyone else! Next, I have no issue against working country people. Racists and nazi supporters who use religion to spread hate and bigotry, you get nothing but a middle finger from me. Third, yes, I am a cosmopolitan person. I try to be open and learn as much as I can from the world and its people, for one never stops learning, but as a rational human being, I also acknowledge and call out problems when I come across them, like I am now. Lastly, why are you assuming I'm a Christian? I'm an Omnist/agnostic/Christo-pagan. if your trying to mock me in some way, you'll have to try harder mate.
I personally will have my kids around different religions but Until they are old enough to comprehend I'm not going to influence them one way or another and they choose their own path
I was talking with my coworker today about some of the myths and I mentioned the thing you and Wolf mentioned about how ragnarok is likely a Christian addition. Having not yet been able to read through the edas and sagas where the myths come from, and knowing only Neil Gaiman's retellings, I've got two general lines of inquiry. First, how is it that Ragnarok is a Christian addition? Like in the story of the binding of Loki, isn't he supposed to be bound until ragnarok? And secondly, do you have any tips and tricks for reading between the christian lines so to speak when reading the source texts to see the original thoughts?
I'm curious about this, too, because other religions and philosophies have age endings (Kali's cycles, for example). Is it possible that we had Ragnarok or a destruction/creation cycle pre-Christianity?
@@nachobidness2553 Fenrir the wolf is a cause tell of binding a child's behavior to a point where when they become an adult they kill their abuser captor. So read into it as you want.
Hello! Looking for a little advice for any mixed religion households. I am a pagan witch and my husband is an atheist. We don't have kids yet but plan to raise them as open to all religions as we can as we don't want them to feel forced into anything. Does anyone have any advice to keep a good balance?
I moved to Newfoundland 4 years ago moved off the grid and been working towards a small village out here been out here alone for nearly the 4 years out here been alone for most of it. I’m from Carlton place outside of Ottawa
Hello. I am VERY new to Heathenry. I am part Swedish and part Norwiegian (I KNOW that is spelled wrong!), but know very little of my family before they came to the United States. I would LOVE to know more of this religious way of being. I have no family left alive and no way to connect with anyone easily. I am in Sacramento, California, USA. If I had a choice of where to live, I would be in Canada. I am not sure why, I have just always been drawn there.
@@veir1442 No. I know for a fact that my mother's grandfather came to the United States from Sweden and her grandmother came here from Norway. They both passed through Ellis Island. That was on her mother's side. Her father's mother was born in Germany and her other grandfather was 3rd generation Irish. That is all I know for sure. I cannot, right now, afford MyAncestory to check out any more.
Guys...being an atheist sucks....don’t get me wrong. I would love to have something to believe in and Paganism would probably be the closest thing to that. Paganism doesn’t offend anyone. The beliefs are what I would regard as rather pure. I’m just looking for the one thing that allows me, personally, to legitimize lending belief to it. If you don’t have anything legitimate to point to that’s fine. But if you do have something legitimate that can be evidenced empirically I would truly appreciate it. Just show something to support it scientifically....
Understood but where is the evidence to drive that action? There’s a difference between leaping with your eyes open and just walking blindfolded. I would prefer to see the map first...If these claims are legitimate there should be some type of empirical evidence out there to support them. Just something...just a crumb of evidence. How does this claim differentiate itself from all the other claims out there? What is this the correct answer and what about this proves the others wrong? They all can’t be correct because they contradict each other. Just please point to something that can be evidenced. I can put faith in anything but a faith untested is no faith at all if it can’t be substantiated. I did truly appreciate the chat and the content tonight. Thank you.
@@johnhonebein6851 Some things aren’t about correctness or evidence or material or being wrong. You can assign legitimacy to your heathenry through rituals, offerings, prayer etc and find value in it without empirical proof. That is what I mean by leap of faith, because as much as you can research and reconstruct paganism historically with a level of rationality and scientific thinking, you need to greet the unknown and explore the ethereal at some point too.
@Logan Wolf well, you’re presupposing the existence of a god there, instead of saying you don’t necessarily know where things came from. It just furthers the argument without providing any evidence at all. If anyone were able to provide that evidence in short term they would but up for consideration for several Nobel Prizes. You’re leading with an answer instead of just saying I don’t know. It’s like just saying I’m tired of asking the questions because I’ve settled for answers that can’t be legitimized. I gotta say, this is the best place to have this conversation in a open public forum. If there’s legitimacy behind your beliefs it should be really easy to counter any questions I may have raised. It would only bring you a stronger following. Or you could just silence them if you don’t have anything legitimate to bring to the conversation otherwise. I do appreciate the respectful approach to this conversation. And that’s sincere.
Believe it or not, I don’t want to disrespect your beliefs guys. I’m just not finding anything substantial to buy into. I’ll keep watching and I have no intention of being disruptive however, in an open discussion, reasonable, polite and on topic inquiries should be tolerated hopefully to further the conversation. Thinking critically is a good thing. Thanks again for the enjoyable and engaging content tonight. I hope your channel grows as you present your opinions in an intelligent manner.
i am thinking about leaving Christianity and becoming a Norse pagan do you know of any Norse scriptures or sources that can give me a better understanding of Norse faith
We don't really have scriptures in the same way as Christianity has the bible, but reading the Eddas and the Hávamál are a pretty good start for the stories we base our faith on. Otherwise, this channel gives a decent understanding of how the religion exists today.
@@garsgrimkhazad9343 thank you I just started reading the havamal but i have a question does the modern day Norse faith believe in the stories of the Norse such as ragnarock or the one about Loki disguising thor as a goddess to trick a giant or like does the Norse faith believe that dwarfs are real
@@trillixdoesyoutube Depends on the person. They're just myths to some people, others of us have blöts to honor wights and deities, and still others say they have direct, personal experiences with Norse entities. Heathenry is a diverse crowd- not everyone is specifically Asatru.
Hello Not too long ago I watched a video on 'Survive the Jive' positing that Odin is, in actual fact, Yaweh. I found it immensely irritating and - living in the theocracy that is the UK - it smacked hugely of religious imperialism -. Have you ever come across this view before (that Odin is Yaweh) and - if so - what is your response?
No, the link is in the bio I think. You will be put in a seperate chat where you'll talk with the people in the server. If you talk often it doesn't take a lot of time.
I'm sorry Ocean, but I have to ask.... it's this older man being political, without really admitting he's being political? Because he's speaking openly about going against "alt right" and things he thinks "mostly right" go against. I decry racism, I am inclusive, and I'm also a conservative heathen... So in a way, I'm asking would a conservative heathen not be accepted by this man?? 🤔 I will respectfully disagree that his folk are not all citizens, he's being more of a world guru of sorts, instead of Góði to a people and community. Like I said, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, just inquisitive and understand more of his/ your ideas of heathenry.
I dont know how he runs his community with respect to that. But in my community what matters with respect to politics is the inclusivity part. That results in the community broadly leaning to the left in politics. I’m not out here banning conservatives for fiscal policy or whatever. But hey, if you want to start a heathen org that is broadly conservative and inclusive, I’d love to see that exist, but I havent seen it yet myself.
@@OceanKeltoi thanks for the answer, I guess I can understand what you mean, knowing other conservatives... yeah, I like the guy and everything that was discussed was respectful and interesting. Is it overreaching on my part, perhaps to think of heathenry as a simple conservative based system, family, community, preserving/respecting and living with the natural world? Along with dealing with those that break the Frith or disrespect the Garth, all seems pretty middle-road politically... maybe there's hope for us to come together closer within heathenry and accept each other more respectfully, I'll drink to that! Thank you for all you do, your work, and the help you've brought to all our heathen communities.
@@dseelenmagie8811 so there’s nothing that you said that I disagree with necessarily except that I dont find those values to be inherently conservative. I’m a bit left of center and hold those same values. What I find frustrating about conservatism is that its often attacking those concepts if they are formed on inclusive grounds. Often I find with conservatism its not family and community they value, but their image of what a family and community should look like regardless of who is seeking out family and community. Its been a frustrating dynamic and i hope conservatives broadly figure this out and address the problem.
@@OceanKeltoi I grew up on a farm in Texas, so living with the animals/land is inherent to me, but I understand we do all share these same values. I've watched some "Christians" be more concerned with being "seen as Christian" much more than living a "Christian life"...its similar to your argument of the "right" shaping what family and community to some "looks like" rather than focusing on family/community. I hope to make a difference in my community and Folk, to forward the inclusive understanding of heathenry as we grow. Thanks again Ocean... you are a source of knowledge and inspiration.
@@dseelenmagie8811 There is a group for conservative Germanic polytheists. Its called the AFA and its infinitely more successful then the vast majority of desperate universalists.
Only Folkist's and AFA Nazis promote the "white's only" bs. Most Norse pagan communities, and pagan communities in general, are open to everyone. Just don't be a jerk to others and you will be fine.
This discussion of memes reminds me of why I'm so glad the Loki bans have been lifted, because he is such the god for the internet culture. No wonder he's so population with young converts
Wait... there were loki bans? What!?
Loki ban?
Referring to the troth ?
Split homes are a chore. I am the only practicing pagan witch (former christian) in my home.
My teenage children are curious and ask questions but they do not participate. The oldest has more of an atheist mindset and my youngest is christian. My christian husband was NOT happy with my slow conversion over the years but he's become more tolerant and doesn't mess with my altar anymore.
Hey another pagan witch (never christian)🤣Blessed be dear sister🌛🌕🌜May all Gods and Godesses bless you.Greetings from Germany 🙋♀️
I haven't met many Christians who have the capacity to be tolerant There are a few of them, but not a lot. Glad your husband came around even if it took a while!
@@DeepFriedKangaroo2 lol it's Voldemort!
The stream starts at around 2:50
You know there's an anthropologist present when you hear a Balinese cockfight reference!
This is a simply fantastic sentence to stumble across.
Finally, some Discordian representation on the smartest person on youtube's channel. I've been waiting for the entire lifetime of the channel for this.
Really need to step up my beard game to get in on this show ha ha.
Ocean, I dont have social media platforms so this is kinda the only way I can make contact. Are you familiar with Walpurgisnacht? I'm sure you could make use of the story.
@@Levestire yes that's good idea aslo don't have other social media platforms.I'am a pagan witch from Germany we have now morning and tonight is Walpurgisnacht we are already preparing everything but we don't have luck.First we have again Lockdown and the weather is not good. We wanted to celebrate in the forrest of course but now🤷♀️.I love and respect also Nore Gods and mithology that's why i'am here.Keltoi is great i'am so happy that a friend recommended him to me
@@marinakaiser7639 I will send a blessing your way through the wind. I hope you get to dance a little bit. :)
@@Levestire Thank you so much i hope also and you too have a lot of fun🌛🌕🌜
Community I think is so important. I'm currently looking at Druidry groups to join (the ones that are pagan druids) It's very hard to be a solitary pagan.
Would you ever consider having Arith Härger on as a guest?
YESSSSSSSSSSS
THAT WOULD BE FUCKING KICKASS
Marie Franz frome Heilung would be amazing too! 🙌🦌
Now I second, third and fourth having Arith Härger on.
amazing suggestion, this please for Arith!
Someone asked for Heathen content for kids. It made me think. I don't know of any specific Ásatrú books for kids, but I personally grew up with books with the various Norse myths illustrated, and retold so children could understand them. Those sorta things are really great for younger children.
Mind you, I'm Norwegian, so I dunno if things work differently here in Scandinavia. We also learned about the gods in school.
i loved this conversation so much. thank you for being a leader
Great chat. Had to re-watch today, I missed a few things. Auz, thank you for all you for us here in 🇨🇦 much respect.
conan is also a figure within irish mythology. Conán mac Morna, also known as Conán Maol ("the bald"), is a member of the fianna and an ally of Fionn mac Cumhail in the Fenian Cycle of Irish mythology. He is usually portrayed as a troublemaker and a comic figure, fat, greedy and blustering, although he is loyal to Fionn and never runs from a fight. Crom Cruach was a pagan god of pre-Christian Ireland. According to Christian writers, he was propitiated with human sacrifice and his worship was ended by Saint Patrick. He is also referred to as Crom Cróich, Cenn Cruach/Cróich and Cenncroithi. He is related to the later mythological and folkloric figure Crom Dubh. The references in the dinsenchas ("place-lore") poem in the 12th century to sacrifice in exchange for milk and grain suggest that Crom had a function as fertility god. The description of his image as a gold figure surrounded by twelve stone or bronze figures has been interpreted as representing the sun surrounded by the signs of the zodiac, which would make him a solar deity. conan and crom have historical origins apart from robert e. howard's fiction.
By far, the most intelligent comment on Celtic studies I've ever seen on a YT comment section.
Nerdy relationship goals?!
This has been a wonderful
introduction to all of this from Heathenry to this on my VERY recent journey into paganism.
Only seeing this now?! Auz was on Omnipotent Beard and I'm only hearing about this NOW?! Auz! Dude! Buddy!
Love your content and so awesome to see Auz on here!
These gentleman need to join forces to start their own Beautiful Beard care line of products. 🧔☺️
Now that is an excellent idea
Yes great idea lol👍🤣🤣
now i have a song stuck in my head :D "it goes against my catholic upbringing, but iam a sucker for that witch!" xD
@@Dloin lol😊
Like just call it Omnipotent Beard Heathen Facial Hair Care Products or something. Preferably less wordy than that lol.
I dream of the day when this is streamed at another time than 3 AM my local time! Would be awesome to watch this live sometime!
That will probably never happen haha. Sorry! Join the discord for mid day chats
just saying hi to my fellow pagans/ heathens out there, the community is growing and im going to start my own tribe up here in Chilliwack B.C. Canada.
Talking about a group that went a different way than intended, there's a local kindred where I live, that was originally inclusive, but most of the membership was not well educated in the ways of Norse polytheism. When the original gothi passed away, there was a new one selected after being selected he turned the kindred into a folkish group. The gothi is an AFA member, and pushes for all members to become AFA members. It's sad because that kindred is the only one I'm aware of in my area.
Hi! I'm new to Heathenism and was just wondering if you could maybe do a video on norse hollidays?
Yes! I would be interested, as well.
I'm going to put this out there Northwestern Iowa? Feel free to comment, I am desperately lonely out here. I'm eclectic pagan, lokean.... and tempted by Norse
Not a pagan. But I like the notion of Folk. But I think I’d apply it differently from Oz. I prefer to see my Folk (or the people I’m a part of) as every person in the world.
(And since International Law exists, it’s not too hard to fit that. Though as a socialist, I’d change “Law” into “society”, and I don’t see society as divided by country).
Auz speaks like someone from Ottawa and it's beautiful lol
Great i saw it only now,time difference a lot to do at work
Everyone on earth, or in your trade sphere is also effected by how well your harvest is going. You could probably extend the idea of folk even more broadly.
This doesn't have nearly enough views... so GOOD!
Hello there. My favorite Norsemen. I see your channel his grown.
What i find amusing with the term Folk within pagan/heathen/etcetc circle, is that Folk is still a normal/common norwegian word for people, that can be used in sentences similar to "those people over there" or "our people"
@@crushinnihilism Unless you prove that your not a racist or member of the AFA. Considering that most people in the Norse pagan community who use the term Folk are either racist or are members of the AFA, Ocean and other Norse pagans have every right to question people.
@@crushinnihilismOh yes, "purity testing", a bunch of mixed blooded Americans testing to find out how much Scandinavian ancestry they have to prove that they are a superior race while gatekeeping a religion and attack queer individuals and anyone who is "not pure" couch... black!... cough. You support that bs, you get no support from me or anyone else! Next, I have no issue against working country people. Racists and nazi supporters who use religion to spread hate and bigotry, you get nothing but a middle finger from me. Third, yes, I am a cosmopolitan person. I try to be open and learn as much as I can from the world and its people, for one never stops learning, but as a rational human being, I also acknowledge and call out problems when I come across them, like I am now. Lastly, why are you assuming I'm a Christian? I'm an Omnist/agnostic/Christo-pagan. if your trying to mock me in some way, you'll have to try harder mate.
greay, great video, very informative and interesting.
Floating around the channel, finding this.....
Rap battles. OK. I guess Freyr is the walking sex crime from Vanaheim?
Ocean at the time of writing being 88k subs and not knowing how to respond to 27k is great.
As i already said i'am a practicing witch.But i love Norse mithology and music and whant to learn something about it
I personally will have my kids around different religions but Until they are old enough to comprehend I'm not going to influence them one way or another and they choose their own path
I was talking with my coworker today about some of the myths and I mentioned the thing you and Wolf mentioned about how ragnarok is likely a Christian addition. Having not yet been able to read through the edas and sagas where the myths come from, and knowing only Neil Gaiman's retellings, I've got two general lines of inquiry. First, how is it that Ragnarok is a Christian addition? Like in the story of the binding of Loki, isn't he supposed to be bound until ragnarok? And secondly, do you have any tips and tricks for reading between the christian lines so to speak when reading the source texts to see the original thoughts?
I'm curious about this, too, because other religions and philosophies have age endings (Kali's cycles, for example). Is it possible that we had Ragnarok or a destruction/creation cycle pre-Christianity?
@@nachobidness2553 Fenrir the wolf is a cause tell of binding a child's behavior to a point where when they become an adult they kill their abuser captor.
So read into it as you want.
Well ragnorok does sound like the end times
What you all said just answer their questions and they'll go where they go
Much of this fits with Lora O'Brien's treatise on pagan priesthood.
You should do a tier list of the gods and mythical figures in norse mythology. Think it would be cool
Hello! Looking for a little advice for any mixed religion households. I am a pagan witch and my husband is an atheist. We don't have kids yet but plan to raise them as open to all religions as we can as we don't want them to feel forced into anything. Does anyone have any advice to keep a good balance?
I talk about it closer to the end of the stream.
Love this.
Id really like a video on the Norse God of the hunt
You mean Ullr ?
@@joannajett2524 yes indeed.
@@jimmystepp7204 Yes I'd love that too.
Ahh raised as an atheist... I heard racist and atheist the first few times and was a bit confused...
I moved to Newfoundland 4 years ago moved off the grid and been working towards a small village out here been out here alone for nearly the 4 years out here been alone for most of it. I’m from Carlton place outside of Ottawa
The length of the intro almost caused me to move to a different video.
Wait. Prudence Priest is still around? Sh*t. I remember them from back in the day. Good to hear they're still around!
30k subs!!!!!!!
Hello. I am VERY new to Heathenry. I am part Swedish and part Norwiegian (I KNOW that is spelled wrong!), but know very little of my family before they came to the United States. I would LOVE to know more of this religious way of being. I have no family left alive and no way to connect with anyone easily. I am in Sacramento, California, USA. If I had a choice of where to live, I would be in Canada. I am not sure why, I have just always been drawn there.
part swedish part norwegian? lemme guess - 5% scandinavian DNA from myancestory? xd
@@veir1442 No. I know for a fact that my mother's grandfather came to the United States from Sweden and her grandmother came here from Norway. They both passed through Ellis Island. That was on her mother's side. Her father's mother was born in Germany and her other grandfather was 3rd generation Irish. That is all I know for sure. I cannot, right now, afford MyAncestory to check out any more.
Greetings from Germany
I like your content. Are you on any other video platforms, alternatives to youtube?
I’m sometimes on twitch.
Guys...being an atheist sucks....don’t get me wrong.
I would love to have something to believe in and Paganism would probably be the closest thing to that. Paganism doesn’t offend anyone. The beliefs are what I would regard as rather pure.
I’m just looking for the one thing that allows me, personally, to legitimize lending belief to it. If you don’t have anything legitimate to point to that’s fine. But if you do have something legitimate that can be evidenced empirically I would truly appreciate it.
Just show something to support it scientifically....
Belief itself is a leap of faith. Only you can deem whether the time and effort you put into it is truly meaningful and valueable in the end.
Understood but where is the evidence to drive that action? There’s a difference between leaping with your eyes open and just walking blindfolded. I would prefer to see the map first...If these claims are legitimate there should be some type of empirical evidence out there to support them.
Just something...just a crumb of evidence.
How does this claim differentiate itself from all the other claims out there? What is this the correct answer and what about this proves the others wrong? They all can’t be correct because they contradict each other. Just please point to something that can be evidenced. I can put faith in anything but a faith untested is no faith at all if it can’t be substantiated.
I did truly appreciate the chat and the content tonight. Thank you.
@@johnhonebein6851 Some things aren’t about correctness or evidence or material or being wrong. You can assign legitimacy to your heathenry through rituals, offerings, prayer etc and find value in it without empirical proof. That is what I mean by leap of faith, because as much as you can research and reconstruct paganism historically with a level of rationality and scientific thinking, you need to greet the unknown and explore the ethereal at some point too.
@Logan Wolf well, you’re presupposing the existence of a god there, instead of saying you don’t necessarily know where things came from. It just furthers the argument without providing any evidence at all. If anyone were able to provide that evidence in short term they would but up for consideration for several Nobel Prizes. You’re leading with an answer instead of just saying I don’t know.
It’s like just saying I’m tired of asking the questions because I’ve settled for answers that can’t be legitimized.
I gotta say, this is the best place to have this conversation in a open public forum. If there’s legitimacy behind your beliefs it should be really easy to counter any questions I may have raised. It would only bring you a stronger following.
Or you could just silence them if you don’t have anything legitimate to bring to the conversation otherwise.
I do appreciate the respectful approach to this conversation. And that’s sincere.
Believe it or not, I don’t want to disrespect your beliefs guys. I’m just not finding anything substantial to buy into.
I’ll keep watching and I have no intention of being disruptive however, in an open discussion, reasonable, polite and on topic inquiries should be tolerated hopefully to further the conversation. Thinking critically is a good thing.
Thanks again for the enjoyable and engaging content tonight. I hope your channel grows as you present your opinions in an intelligent manner.
i am thinking about leaving Christianity and becoming a Norse pagan do you know of any Norse scriptures or sources that can give me a better understanding of Norse faith
We don't really have scriptures in the same way as Christianity has the bible, but reading the Eddas and the Hávamál are a pretty good start for the stories we base our faith on. Otherwise, this channel gives a decent understanding of how the religion exists today.
@@garsgrimkhazad9343 thank you I just started reading the havamal but i have a question does the modern day Norse faith believe in the stories of the Norse such as ragnarock or the one about Loki disguising thor as a goddess to trick a giant or like does the Norse faith believe that dwarfs are real
@@trillixdoesyoutube Depends on the person. They're just myths to some people, others of us have blöts to honor wights and deities, and still others say they have direct, personal experiences with Norse entities. Heathenry is a diverse crowd- not everyone is specifically Asatru.
Damn tf is Vaush doing in your chat
when does Vaush show up in chat?
we don't think it was him. Wasn't a verified account.
Probably wasnt the real guy but they do follow each other on twitter... weirdest crossover ever
@@OceanKeltoi Vaush would make a very interesting guest. I've always felt Heathery has a proletarian feel though that might just be my biases
@@crushinnihilism that was supposed to be referring to Heathenry as in the modern religion, not heathens of the past. I would agree with you otherwise
I’m glad Vaush showed up and is at least trying to learn something about us. Maybe he’s not as much of an r/atheism cringelord as I thought lol.
That wasn't the real vaush.
wish i could watch this (after the fact that it was live) but ads every 5 minutes is too much
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Hello
Not too long ago I watched a video on 'Survive the Jive' positing that Odin is, in actual fact, Yaweh. I found it immensely irritating and - living in the theocracy that is the UK - it smacked hugely of religious imperialism -.
Have you ever come across this view before (that Odin is Yaweh) and - if so - what is your response?
survive the jive is a bad channel. so your feelings of irritation are indeed, correct.
You talk of a discord server, is that a patreon only thing or not?
No, the link is in the bio I think. You will be put in a seperate chat where you'll talk with the people in the server. If you talk often it doesn't take a lot of time.
I know the link is in the description of the most recent video he did not counting this one.
I'm sorry Ocean, but I have to ask.... it's this older man being political, without really admitting he's being political? Because he's speaking openly about going against "alt right" and things he thinks "mostly right" go against. I decry racism, I am inclusive, and I'm also a conservative heathen... So in a way, I'm asking would a conservative heathen not be accepted by this man?? 🤔 I will respectfully disagree that his folk are not all citizens, he's being more of a world guru of sorts, instead of Góði to a people and community. Like I said, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, just inquisitive and understand more of his/ your ideas of heathenry.
I dont know how he runs his community with respect to that. But in my community what matters with respect to politics is the inclusivity part. That results in the community broadly leaning to the left in politics. I’m not out here banning conservatives for fiscal policy or whatever. But hey, if you want to start a heathen org that is broadly conservative and inclusive, I’d love to see that exist, but I havent seen it yet myself.
@@OceanKeltoi thanks for the answer, I guess I can understand what you mean, knowing other conservatives... yeah, I like the guy and everything that was discussed was respectful and interesting. Is it overreaching on my part, perhaps to think of heathenry as a simple conservative based system, family, community, preserving/respecting and living with the natural world? Along with dealing with those that break the Frith or disrespect the Garth, all seems pretty middle-road politically... maybe there's hope for us to come together closer within heathenry and accept each other more respectfully, I'll drink to that! Thank you for all you do, your work, and the help you've brought to all our heathen communities.
@@dseelenmagie8811 so there’s nothing that you said that I disagree with necessarily except that I dont find those values to be inherently conservative. I’m a bit left of center and hold those same values. What I find frustrating about conservatism is that its often attacking those concepts if they are formed on inclusive grounds. Often I find with conservatism its not family and community they value, but their image of what a family and community should look like regardless of who is seeking out family and community. Its been a frustrating dynamic and i hope conservatives broadly figure this out and address the problem.
@@OceanKeltoi I grew up on a farm in Texas, so living with the animals/land is inherent to me, but I understand we do all share these same values. I've watched some "Christians" be more concerned with being "seen as Christian" much more than living a "Christian life"...its similar to your argument of the "right" shaping what family and community to some "looks like" rather than focusing on family/community. I hope to make a difference in my community and Folk, to forward the inclusive understanding of heathenry as we grow. Thanks again Ocean... you are a source of knowledge and inspiration.
@@dseelenmagie8811 There is a group for conservative Germanic polytheists. Its called the AFA and its infinitely more successful then the vast majority of desperate universalists.
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So is this a whites and europeans only kind of deal? Or can anybody be a Norse Pegan?
Most would say it's open. Sadly some groups are closed off and hold terrible views on race that should be avoided.
Only Folkist's and AFA Nazis promote the "white's only" bs. Most Norse pagan communities, and pagan communities in general, are open to everyone. Just don't be a jerk to others and you will be fine.
Do you think we are going towards a new Dark Age????
I mean, maybe if we really care about the environment as pagans, we shouldn't be driving cars.
Woke heathens...funny
Look, a racist heathen... funny.