Great commentary, video and technique! Just found the your video and you can tell you’ve got all the ingredients to making a successful channel so keep up the uploads and you’ll go far
Great video, love the content. One thing I am curious about...how much of this bike's performance is attributed to the frame itself? Suspension is been completely upgraded, o-chain, angle set, dialed wheelset etc. Could you take these parts and with further tuning, have the same performance on another 150-170mm frame? I guess the same could be said about the Supreme, if you put the same parts on another (non-Norco) frame, would you expect better/worse performance?
Cheers Alex, that's a tough question to answer! I think there are a few enduro frames that would get similar performance with the same parts. And some much worse and some better! For the Supreme, I'm not sure anything else can really compare, mostly because of the axle path which is one of two bikes (Norco Aurum HSP) with a full rearward path which essentially mirrors the head angle.
100%. Got them free at a press camp years ago! I would never buy any extremely overpriced MTB-brand glasses. I would just go to a generic sports shop and get something cheap with a full frame - avoid glasses with an open edged lens at the bottom incase you faceplant and push that lens in to your face.
I think your problem with the headset/topcap is unrelated to Oneup. A topcap is only for preload, it should not provide any support once the stem bolts are tightened down properly. I had similar issues on each one of my Manitou forks (Mezzer, Mastodon, Circus) and apparently Manitou doesn't press in the steerer tube into the fork crown enough so it is creeping slowly more into the crown in the first months of riding for a total of around 3-5mm. My Mezzer and Mastodon already stopped creeping, Circus is a newer one so I have to readjust the stem every once in a while. All are fantastic forks, I wouldn't put them of for this singular issue. (btw. I have a oneup topcap in the Mezzer but the other two have ordinary star nuts)
Interesting points, Gergely, thanks. But I have also had the same happen on two bikes with Boxxers. In theory it shouldn't happen, but Im starting to think it does in reality.
@@astonmtb2428 yes that's interesting. I used OneUp caps in Pike, Lyrik, Wren and Motion forks without problems. Did you check the steerer inner diameter before threading? The OneUp tap kit includes a cylindrical starnut puller (no need to punch through the sterrer with a drift ;-) ) which also acts as a "go/no-go" check tool for steerer ID tolerance. My Mezzer checked out too loose but only a tiny bit so I threaded that anyway and using it like that. Mastodon and Circus were way too lose, the tap wouldn't engage so I left them alone. Other forks I mentioned above accepted the cap without issues, never got loose during riding. I had only one problem with the Motion E18+ where the bottom section of the steerer was too big and I lost two plastic bottom caps with that fork.
You can make it better by pulling them taught then clamping the cable ports, but this doesn't last so long. New Banshee frames are being shipped with foam lagging to wrap the cables in.
Me too, but suspension is really tough to get right, so I'm happy to keep running Kitsuma/Mezzer from Rulezman as he is only 30mins away. Or RS stuff with the NSR kits. I also don't agree with the dual crown Selva, I think people can just chuck on the NeroR (which has been available for years) and get on with riding a forget about the few hundred gram difference!
@@astonmtb2428But the crowns are polished aluminum, and everyone knows polished is super fast! I've been hearing good things about the single air version of the Selva compared to the Lyrik Ultimate 2.1 (which is what I'm running at the moment). The Mod is something I'm considering for my Stumpy Evo with a Cascade link. I like the idea of being able to change the kinematic with the CTS valves.
Awesome insight and a great overview! Building up a parts list for this one right now. Though, I want both 27.5's. I recently built a badass DT Swiss wheel set and switched to them over the 29's my Scott Genius came with. Any thoughts towards putting them on the Titan? I'm also 6'1" but with shorter legs and often wonder if medium would be better than a large
Hey Paul, Steve Mathews published some dyno plots comparing the RC2, Grip2 and Grip2 VVC dampers in his Tuesday Tunes Ep. 32 th-cam.com/video/lS-VzI2JbrI/w-d-xo.html I think he agrees with you regarding damping levels of today's single crown forks. Keep up the good honest testing and reviewing work, very appreciated.
Great commentary, video and technique! Just found the your video and you can tell you’ve got all the ingredients to making a successful channel so keep up the uploads and you’ll go far
Thanks very much! It's my life's work, haha. Plenty more interesting videos to come this year. Thanks for the support.
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Nice one! Thanks for the support!
Great video, love the content.
One thing I am curious about...how much of this bike's performance is attributed to the frame itself? Suspension is been completely upgraded, o-chain, angle set, dialed wheelset etc.
Could you take these parts and with further tuning, have the same performance on another 150-170mm frame? I guess the same could be said about the Supreme, if you put the same parts on another (non-Norco) frame, would you expect better/worse performance?
Cheers Alex,
that's a tough question to answer!
I think there are a few enduro frames that would get similar performance with the same parts. And some much worse and some better!
For the Supreme, I'm not sure anything else can really compare, mostly because of the axle path which is one of two bikes (Norco Aurum HSP) with a full rearward path which essentially mirrors the head angle.
Banshee the best bikes ever🥰
How tall are you to ride and xl? Because the reach is quite big (495mm)
Thank you for the nice video!
What glasses you got? Love that Titan
100%. Got them free at a press camp years ago! I would never buy any extremely overpriced MTB-brand glasses. I would just go to a generic sports shop and get something cheap with a full frame - avoid glasses with an open edged lens at the bottom incase you faceplant and push that lens in to your face.
I think your problem with the headset/topcap is unrelated to Oneup. A topcap is only for preload, it should not provide any support once the stem bolts are tightened down properly.
I had similar issues on each one of my Manitou forks (Mezzer, Mastodon, Circus) and apparently Manitou doesn't press in the steerer tube into the fork crown enough so it is creeping slowly more into the crown in the first months of riding for a total of around 3-5mm.
My Mezzer and Mastodon already stopped creeping, Circus is a newer one so I have to readjust the stem every once in a while.
All are fantastic forks, I wouldn't put them of for this singular issue.
(btw. I have a oneup topcap in the Mezzer but the other two have ordinary star nuts)
Interesting points, Gergely, thanks. But I have also had the same happen on two bikes with Boxxers. In theory it shouldn't happen, but Im starting to think it does in reality.
@@astonmtb2428 yes that's interesting. I used OneUp caps in Pike, Lyrik, Wren and Motion forks without problems. Did you check the steerer inner diameter before threading? The OneUp tap kit includes a cylindrical starnut puller (no need to punch through the sterrer with a drift ;-) ) which also acts as a "go/no-go" check tool for steerer ID tolerance. My Mezzer checked out too loose but only a tiny bit so I threaded that anyway and using it like that. Mastodon and Circus were way too lose, the tap wouldn't engage so I left them alone. Other forks I mentioned above accepted the cap without issues, never got loose during riding. I had only one problem with the Motion E18+ where the bottom section of the steerer was too big and I lost two plastic bottom caps with that fork.
Had the same issue on my mezzer.
Paul - It would be great to see a video on your cockpit setup - or specifically bar / stem / grips. What you use and where you have come from.
Hi Martin,
Yes I am planning on some videos like that. Hopefully I will have an in-house filmer soon so will be able to create a lot more content!
Thanks. How do you find the Progrip vs Renthal ultratacky?
So 31.8 bars or 35mm .
Non carbon
Waited ages for the video! Jesus!
There's a bit more content to come about this bike too. Did you see the full review on my website?
were u able to sort the cable rattle issue?
You can make it better by pulling them taught then clamping the cable ports, but this doesn't last so long. New Banshee frames are being shipped with foam lagging to wrap the cables in.
@@astonmtb2428 I complained to them about this too with my Rune frame 😂, just used Jagwire housing damper and it fixed the problem completely.
Would love to see a build with some Formula suspension. Maybe that new dual crown Selva.
Me too, but suspension is really tough to get right, so I'm happy to keep running Kitsuma/Mezzer from Rulezman as he is only 30mins away. Or RS stuff with the NSR kits.
I also don't agree with the dual crown Selva, I think people can just chuck on the NeroR (which has been available for years) and get on with riding a forget about the few hundred gram difference!
@@astonmtb2428But the crowns are polished aluminum, and everyone knows polished is super fast! I've been hearing good things about the single air version of the Selva compared to the Lyrik Ultimate 2.1 (which is what I'm running at the moment). The Mod is something I'm considering for my Stumpy Evo with a Cascade link. I like the idea of being able to change the kinematic with the CTS valves.
@@astonmtb2428 the big deal on DC Selva is the offset, not the weight. At least for me.
Awesome insight and a great overview!
Building up a parts list for this one right now. Though, I want both 27.5's. I recently built a badass DT Swiss wheel set and switched to them over the 29's my Scott Genius came with. Any thoughts towards putting them on the Titan? I'm also 6'1" but with shorter legs and often wonder if medium would be better than a large
Hey Paul,
Steve Mathews published some dyno plots comparing the RC2, Grip2 and Grip2 VVC dampers in his Tuesday Tunes Ep. 32 th-cam.com/video/lS-VzI2JbrI/w-d-xo.html
I think he agrees with you regarding damping levels of today's single crown forks.
Keep up the good honest testing and reviewing work, very appreciated.