Goddammit this writing... 1. Danny: No more traps. No arrests. Now we deal with Bakuto the way we should have from the beginning! Davos: *kills Bakuto* Danny and Colleen: What the hell, man? You can't just kill people! There are consequences!! 3 episodes later Hogarth to Danny and Colleen: You two are wanted criminals. Either turn yourselves in, or prove your innocence now. Danny: I have to kill Harold. I WILL kill him and end this. Colleen: No, Danny. It's too risky. I have to be the one to do it. Danny to Harold during finale when he can just kill him: It's over. You're going to prison. *Harold then proceeds to get to his gun and shoot Danny. Ward arrives and shoots, kills Harold...* 2. Danny: I trust this person! Why don't you?! Danny 2 episodes later: What? I've been lied to! I can't trust that person anymore! Danny 2 episodes later: What?! I trusted you! Danny 2 episodes later: I can't trust you, but I need your help. Danny 2 episodes later: You betrayed me?! Danny 2 episodes later: *cries* You lied?! My parents!!
Here's my HUGE rant about Iron Fist... The way I see it, there were THREE main problems with Netflix's Iron Fist. 1. A fundamental misreading of Danny Rand's character. As a trained master of kung-fu, Danny is not a confused, irrational, basket case, as depicted in the show, but centered, thoughtful, and even charismatic. The character as written and portrayed by Finn Jones is a whiny weirdo, whose motivations and strategies are ridiculously unclear. He's totally uncharismatic and almost painful to watch. 2. There's no THERE there. The previous three Netflix shows, Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, were all about something more than their superhero aspects. Among other things, Daredevil played upon Matt's inner-conflict between his religious faith and his desire for vengeance. Jessica Jones dealt very skillfully with the ideas of emotional abuse and manipulation. Luke Cage was heavily coded with themes about what it means to be a hero in the contemporary Black community. But what is Iron Fist about? Why did Danny decide to desert his post in K'unn L'unn and return to New York? Why should we care if he regains control of his father's company? 3. And finally, the biggest fail, and maybe the most important one, was the failure to present exciting or even convincing action. As a story about a kung-fu master, Iron Fist should have had the BEST action scenes of the Netflix series, instead, what we get is something on the level of a CW show, actually, Arrow's fight scenes are A LOT better. It seemed to me that the kung-fu was treated like an afterthought, in favor of endless boardroom drama. The skill level of Iron Fist himself was inconsistent to say the least - one minute he's taking on dozens of trained Hand fighters at a time, the next he's struggling against petty thugs and a totally untrained guy old enough to be his father. There were many more problems, I could go on and on. I could have forgiven EVERYTHING if the fighting was great, but it wasn't. I really wanted to like Iron Fist, I actually finished the whole thing, it was hard to look away from the train wreck.
100% correct. He struggles in things such as managing his emotions (hanging on to 15 year old trauma or hitting the kid in the dojo), diffusing situations (mental institution), and being respectful (chuckling at a homeless person). I thought for sure this show could easily be on par with Daredevil, but the action sequences, acting, and story line was just weak....
I kind of preferred Davos over Danny, he had stronger motivations, he didn't shove the religion down people's throats, he seemed more invested in the Iron Fist than Danny was and I think he was kind of a better actor. (Totally my opinion and I can't really explain what I'm trying to)
Didn't think he was Bullseye, but I was SUPER confused why he knocked out that innocent guy and stole his truck then threw foil ninja stars above an innocent mans unconscious head lol
I'm with you. Basically the writers made Danny out to be a bit of a dick, just angry all the time for someone who supposedly spent half his life meditating, and he got sucker punched by too many henchmen for someone who supposedly spent the other half of his life training to be a living weapon. Davos at least had a purpose for his moods and a motivation. Danny kept going from being a complete dick to sounding completely patronising when he was trying to sound wise. They need someone who understands chinese and/or buddhist philosophy to write the cosmic dialogue, they need an Asian stunt director to make those fight scenes better and they need to spend less time in the office and more time in the streets.
The Draconian Pilgrim It really baffles me: why did the they choose Danny? Just like you said, Davos was more invested; he not only had the motivation but he also seemed to understand the responsibility tied to the title of the Iron Fist. Danny just decided that he might as well train since it's not like he's getting home anytime soon. Granted, training may have helped him get over the loss of his family (then again, not so much, since it's still haunting him). Ultimately, Danny reaches his goal and isn't satisfied. Then he just leaves his responsibilities because he sees a freaking bird? I did enjoy the show, though.
I'm only 6 episodes in but some of the choices the show makes are baffling. I agree with Mason, Danny should have known to just say he maybe grew up in a monastery or something. And the Danny Rand character so far isn't very likable. I just started reading the current Marvel run on Iron Fist and Powerman, and that comic is great and alot of fun. Hopefully we get a Danny Rand that's more like the one depicted in the comic.
But he doesn't live in a world where the things he's saying are considered crazy. I mean this is the same universe where Aliens invaded New York and were fought off by a group of mostly Superhumans. You would think they would be more open minded towards people with Superpowers.
I totally agree but it's never really clear how much Danny knows of the world or current events. It's bit that I don't like the character,but I'm just not totally sold yet.
+Pranavanathan Yoganathan He might not have known about those events but the people of New York do. So it did feel like they were being a tad bit irrational by throwing him into a mental hospital. With Luke Cage and even Jessica Jones people were only mildly shocked by them(some more than others) but with Iron Fist people act like it's the craziest thing they've ever seen or heard. Claire won't even take him seriously when he tells her that he fought a Dragon yet Thor fought Magic elves in London.
@@TheBigTunaMunster You say he's not likeable. Nando v Movies did a video where he outlined how he would fix it; in short, he would've had him dream that the Hand infiltrated his family's company, that way his motivation for leaving is to stop the hand, not because he's an entitled prick. (The video has a lot more to it and is really good, but that's the short of it.) I think that would've been a huge improvement. th-cam.com/video/s8sew9RqGMw/w-d-xo.html
Maybe the reason James has hidden his face for so long is because he's like that paper bag guy from Futurama, and his appearance will cause our life force to be instantly sucked out upon first sight. Looking forward to seeing it!
Anyone else disappointed that Nelson & Murdock were not Danny's lawyers when Harold frames him. That could have led to an Iron Fist DareDevil team up to get the tablet back and clear his name that would have been amazing.
I wish they had just scrapped the corporate intrigues all together and set the first two-three episodes in K'un-Lun leading up to Danny facing the dragon. It would have made it more impactful when he lost the fist if we had seen his struggle to get it at all.
Internet: There's never any suggestion that Danny doesn't know what the internet is. He has no money and has no access to the internet -the other guy just happens to have a stolen one and offers to look something up for Danny. Lack of Mysticism: Maybe you guys didn't notice (!), but Madam Gao makes Danny fly across the room just by waving her hand in his direction, Harold comkes back from the dead, Gao talks about having been interrogated in the 17yh century, Gao is able to know what Colleen's grandfather used to tell her as a child, Gao is mysteriously able to see Danny when he sees her on a video monitor to his surprise. I think there just might be a little magic going on there.The climax of the show reveals that Danny experienced a foreshadowing of his encounter with Harold when he entered Shao-Lao's cave. Also Danny is being guided by the hawk (which also appears to be a manifestation of Shao-Lao) which has had a profound effect on his life. Seems to be a fair bit of mysticism going on there.
(Iron Fist Spoiler... kinda...) I expected the Iron Fist be the Marvel Universe's own version of all things Martial Arts. That said, do a comparison between fight scenes from the show with similar scenes from different Martial Art Movies and ask who you think did it better? Episode 4: Hallway Hatchet Fight --- The Transporter Axe Fight Episode 4: Elevator Fight Scene --- Ip Man 3 Elevator Fight Scene Episode 5: Cargo Truck CQC --- Kiss of the Dragon vs Boxer scene Episode 6: Russian 2 vs 1 fight --- Prince of the Sun Cynthia Rothrock (Park Fight Scene) Episode 6: Weapons Master fight --- Ip Man vs Cheung Tin Chi Episode 8: vs Drunk Guy --- Drunken Master final fight Episode 10: Office Fight Scene --- Kiss of the Dragon, Taekwondo Twins fight Episode 10: Courtyard Escape scene --- Enter the Dragon Lee and Roper vs Han's Men Episode 12: Elevator Lobby Fight scene --- The Raid Machete Fight The examples I pointed out are usable search phrases. Even in those videos, while you can see where the physics defying wire stunts were happening, there's still a huge difference in fight choreography quality when comparing it to the Netflix show. I have no qualms with the Finn Jones race casting, nor the problems with the script (like severed fingers inexplicably regenerating after a resurrection and people just forgetting about it), but would it be wrong of me to feel underwhelmed by the action choreography shown in the episodes?
I enjoyed Iron Fist more than Luke Cage, but I'd like to have had a bit more Defenders set up in this one. There was also a Game of Thrones reference near the start, in the hospital, "Ward Meachum sends his regards"
I'm surprised Claire never said "we can get Daredevil to help". Even if Iron Fist declined, Claire says he can't do it alone. So c'mon Claire what the heck.
Also, fight scenes were like that because of the style they used. It's traditional Kung Fu, and is mostly concentrated on defensive approach, that's why it's slow, character doesn't fiercely go against enemies like Daredevil, his fighting style isn't as aggressive. Actually show was pretty faithful to this style of martial arts and it really impressed me, you don't usually get old traditional Kung Fu in media.
Barry Jordan Which, in my opinion, is an interesting dynamic. People are complaining that Danny is dumb, and I think that was the point. He only had contact with the real world for like 10 years before he ended up in K'un Lun, so he shouldn't be street smart and he shouldn't understand betrayal, things like that. He's different from the other Defenders and I hope this trend is continued and perhaps broken throughout his character arc in the Defenders,
Well that is also debunked by Danny's memories of playing games with Ward. Rules are for Pussies, remember. Danny clearly understands betrayal, when the guys who "saved him" start beating him with sticks. etc.
I feel like Danny was told not to get too much into Kunlun by the Meachums because people would think he's crazy. Ward believes rules are "for pussies", not Danny. When he was beaten by the Kunlun guys, it was punishment not betrayal. He can understand punishment, but he hasn't actually experienced it. I like that Danny is not the street smart cynical guy like Jessica Jones or Daredevil. Makes him different and I can't wait to see the characters clash. Prior to watching the show, I expected him to act like Arrow, expecting that he's figured out everything and he's got a plan knowing what he's doing... buuut he doesn't. And it makes it way more interesting.
Iron Fist was a good series... could have been paced a little faster... but as a whole... it was equal, maybe even slightly better, to Luke Cage (mainly because Iron Fist is more consistent and Luke Cage ended in a bit of a train wreck). It's definitely strong enough to prove that all the negative critics were wrong about their analysis of this show. It was very watchable... very enjoyable. Very re-watchable the closer we get to The Defenders being released.
Danny was written as a complete idiot. And it's not just the whole thing with him being naive and not understanding American culture. He has no idea what he's doing about anything. He keeps saying that he's an enemy of the Hand and how the Iron Fist is destined to destroy the Hand but he doesn't bother to learn anything about the Hand's goals, who their real leaders are, what their powers are, why they want to sell heroin, why they want to destroy K'un Lun, what their weaknesses are, etc. He just randomly fights some Hand goons but it doesn't achieve anything since he doesn't kill them or get them arrested so they'll be back on the streets after their bruises heal. And he destroys like two Hand drug labs, except he knows that they have operations all over the world so two drug labs would barely dent their drug sales. In the end, all Danny does is inconvenience the Hand. There's absolutely nothing stopping the Hand from coming back and taking Rand over again. It made no sense why Danny thought he defeated the Hand.
That's because they were different groups of the Hand. The Hand operating in New York are basically doing their own thing and the Hand attacking K'un Lun have their separate motives. His friend also didn't know about their operation in New York so i doubt anybody in K'un Lun does. And without the Meachums funding them and the support of Rand enterprise they have no operation anymore. Kingpin is in jail and Madame Gao has to start from scratch just to find a way to even distribute.
My point is that Danny never even tries to learn about the Hand, which makes no sense because he's supposed to have been trained to fight the Hand. As for the different factions of the Hand, they still tell you nothing about them. Do they really have different goals or do they have the same goal but just have different way to achieve it? Also, how do you know the Hand attacking K'un Lun have different motives? Danny says that the Iron Fist is supposed to protect K'un Lun from the Hand. But since Danny went around telling everyone that he's the Iron Fist, the Hand learned that K'un Lun was unprotected. So maybe the whole reason why the Hand attacked K'un Lun is because they knew it wasn't protected and it was the perfect opportunity. As for stopping the Meachums from funding the Hand, so what? Why would the Hand have to start from scratch? None of the Hand's operations were really hurt. Most of the Hand's people are still around. Gao's men didn't go anywhere. The assassins from the tournament are still alive. Bakuto's students could have just moved to a different compound. They could immediately start everything back up again. And what's stopping the Hand from forcing the Meachums to help them again?
they should have done something like in the first Thor movie. When Thor got banished he just kept telling people he's from "far away" and only told people once he got their trust
I expected this show to be on same level as Daredevil season 1, just with lot of amazing kung fu fight scenes and focused more on asian culture. Something like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon meets superhero origin TV show. It was still decent but it could have been so much better.
I really enjoyed the Meachum corporate and family drama that I watched. The Iron Fist stuff seemed oddly irrelevant to the bulk of the character development. I would happily watch a Ward Meachum and Hogarth centric corporate/legal cinspiracy anti-hero show
Sooooooo does coming back from the dead inexplicably regenerate severed fingers and magically make people ever forget it happened? That's quite a step up from Daredevil since Nobu was burned in season 1, but when he came back in season 2, the burn scars were all over his face.
The Iron Fist series is, at best, 6 episodes of narrative material stretched out to 13, and done in the clunkiest way. It was so obvious that many scenes in every episode exist purely to kill screen-time. The film-making adage that one should "go in [to a scene] late, and get out early" sure has hell isn't applied in these Marvel Netflix series. Just horrible.
He's not dumb, he's just naive. That's actually understandable, guy spent 15 years in a monastery. He doesn't necessarily understand people. But he learns, remember the Hand compound, he starts seeing through lies. His anger and twitches are understandable too, his parents died and he was raised mostly by training, he has psychological issues.
I think that there's somewhere in the neighborhood of a dozen main series Jack Ryan novels before it shifts characters. in the books he has a clearly defined character, just not in the movies.
I agree, if they make a Matrix sequel it HAS to be set in 1999. HAS TO BE. Also Iron First was fine. Wasn't great. wasn't terrible. It was fine. Got better as it went along.
Darth Mau and the Obi-Wan Kenobi fight was kind of like an old western. when the antagonist and protagonist finally meet the drama and the tension was in the build-up to the fight not necessarily the flight itself. kind of like The Good The Bad and The Ugly or they stare at each other for like 25 minutes LOL and the fight is over in 5 seconds it's all about the build-up mate.
The worst part about the show is that it never gets better..... Madame Gao is great as always along with Claire, but we had to dig deep to get through the whole series.
I can agree that Danny Rand wasn't cast very well, but I disagree with the narrative that his character is written too "dumb". He was a 10 year old, coddled, sheltered, rich momma's-boy when he's thrown out of our world (after watching both of his parents die) and sent to live in a feudal era civilization that did literally nothing but prepare him to be a living weapon. That's not a recipe for a well adjusted, functioning member of society in our world. I don't really like Finn Jones' portrayal, but I think he did convey that sense of childlike naivety, and reasoning of just smash your face at it to try and solve a problem, pretty well. I think the character work, acting and story were actually solid, and the action sequences and pacing were the real glaring flaws.
I just finished the show. I gave it a 2/5 stars. Its a really really huge step down from the quality of the other shows. Daredevil is nearly flawless for both its seasons. Jessica Jones is great, Luke Cage is kinda boring and a meh character portrayal but serviceable. And Iron Fist is just a terrible show with terrible acting and worst of all terrible fight choreography. Theres really no excuse for an organization that made such amazing low budget scenes like Daredevil's that are iconic now. There's no attempt at danny wearing a costume throughout the entire show. He's shown as whiney and a coward and an idiot for a guy who according to just the show's logic has been training and meditating his whole life. His "center" should be a lot more centered even if he's a 25 year old naive guy.
How was Blade: Trinity not David Goyer's fault? He directed and wrote it! And besides, Wesley Snipes behavior may have been a bit off-to be charitable-but what you don't ask is WHAT caused that behavior (I've read it was essentially a passive-aggressive response to Goyer's ham-fisted directing)?
Iron fist is fine, it's not the best Netflix marvel show. Also they didn't do any of those patented villain or hero flashback to childhood scenes to see how they tick
DEAD AGAINST a MATRIX prequel ..... but originally, the Wachowski' had the world of THE MATRIX 'reload' back to 1984 because the machines only really knew the reality of 1984 to 1999 so human kind lived the same years over and over (so I guess this means they were re-writing the memories of the pod people to have different birthdays every 16 years or something)
Iron fist is clearly a better kung fu guy than daredevil imo because he has no real problem at beating a load of the Hand's best fighters, where as daredevil has had many a problem with fighting them. That being said, the kung fu in this was no where near as entertaining as in daredevil.
please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't comic Danny Rand a joker, and funny character. if so people defended the decision to keep the Netflix character true to the race of the original but if that's the case why didn't they keep his personality also
Ungreatful Duck well on the pod cast they thought he said he was the first white guy which is totally wrong. But I am fairly sure he said he was the first outsider. I could be wrong though.
I really like Iron Fist. I don't understand most of the criticisms it has received. It seems like people don't pay attention to the details. Danny was 10 when he was effectively killed in our world, and then he was taken against his will to a repressive monastery where the monks beat him and he never had the time to mourn his family. Of course he'd be naive in our world. The last time he was in it he was a little boy. And as for the action, they tried to shoot in like comic panels but it doesn't quite work until the challenges. And the drunken master fight and gate fight are both great. And as for him not being as good as Daredevil at fighting, Daredevil gets hammered to shit in fights against Russians and biker gangs, yet Danny barely even gets hit by the hatchet mob. I felt all the fights showed how OP he was against street level thugs, even if they were a bit schizophrenic in their execution. I also found Danny to be quite believable in the situation he was put in. His naivete and trust is to be expected as he hasn't seen these people since he was a child and has no idea of their actual intentions. But you see him grow and figure that out. I also want to add as a martial arts film afficionado and a fan of hong kong cinema in general, the fights are no where near as bad as people are making out. I get that some of them are subpar, but some of them are very entertaining. Hatchet men. The challenges. Drunken Master. Bakuto in the bunker. The daughter of the dragon. The gate fight. Davos. I think people are just parroting what they have heard from others with regards to the fights.
ironfist is unlikable. He does not seem very smart. If something seems to steer people away then why does he keep telling people things they dont believe. Plus it clear the monks he was trained by were not the warmest or the most decent but they give him some discipline but he seems very lacking in it and he seems to have zero self control. Was fighting the only criteria for the ironfist? Plus the cameos in the other seires seem way more natural, in this show claire just being there is kinda stupid. Dare devil and jessica jones met her at a hospital which makes sense and luke cage knew her through jessica but he just happens to meet her and the lawyer just happened to work for his father.
Just so they could kill off Maul. It was throwing out all the character development Maul had in Clone wars because Rebels is close to ending and Maul can't be around for ANH.
I hated that Danny would talk about something absolutely crazy and would get frustrated when they don't believe him. "Yeah, I'm from an unknown monastery that's only seen for a short period every fifteen years." OF COURSE THEY DONT BELIEVE YOU! YOU SOUND INSANE!
Thank god someone else picked up on that sarahsue. I some times wonder if people actually pay attention when they watch these shows. This is compounded when you see Davos and he is completely indoctrinated.
I LOVED Iron Fist! It's as good as Daredevil. I love that it had more character and wasn't just punching like Luke Cage. I loved every character especially Danny. He is definitely my favorite defender. The Meachams were a very interesting family. And I loved all of the Hand storyline. I'm glad they didn't have all that race crap like in Luke Cage. It was so annoying and made it divisive. He was raised by monks what does his race have to do with it? Man yall are hating so hard on it. It was so good though.
Luke Cage wasn't divisive. The reviews were almost universally positive and they have the second best villain behind Kingpin with Cottonmouth. Iron Fist was pretty dope though, i like how they didn't over complicate things with the hand because that was kind of an issue for me with Daredevil season 2(It was still great though).
I hope you've grown as a person in the four years since you left this comment. This comment heavily suggests that you're pretty racist. If you've grown since, that's great. If not, there's no time like the present to start.
Well it's also because he's been living with monks for 15 years his social skills aren't exactly at their peak when he's living in a bubble and pretty much doing nothing but training. So he's pretty much kept that 10 year old mentality.
Are you serious? 25 years old and it's okay to be naive? This indicates serious brain trauma or just plain stupidity. I didn't hate the show, but that was the most serious problem with the show imo. It's like he did not mature one bit in the 15 years he was stranded in K'un Lun. The second biggest problem with the show is that he was barely the Iron Fist in it. 99% of the time he was just a guy who knew martial arts, and even then the action could have been a lot better.
That's kind of the point... He didn't mature in that sense. His life was stuck in the mentality of a 10 year old once the plane crashed and he was taken in by monks. He's never had to deal with the emotions he's going through, the closest thing he's had to a friend is more akin to a rival and his closest thing to a family regularly beat him to turn him into a weapon and ingrained in his head that he'd have to fight the hand. So yes in Danny's case I'd say it makes perfect sense that the character is naive at 25. And no he isn't instantly Iron Fist just like Matt wasn't instantly Daredevil it's called growth. This season is very much about who Danny Rand is with hints of the greater mystical world that surrounds him. It's obvious he didn't finish his training and left when he realized he could. So just like Matt is shaping out to be the Daredevil we know Danny will take that same journey to become Iron Fist that we know. Hell the only character that has been like their character in the comics pretty much from the start is Jessica Jones and that's mainly due to her not being a superhero but even then she's not a perfect fit.
I think the point is he was chosen as the Iron Fist, but clearly didn't complete his training. He didn't know how to use the Iron Fist properly, recharge his Chi, heal, etc. The Iron Fist in the 1940s could light up both hands, Danny only used one. He has a lot to learn. And street smarts is not a give with age, it is with experiences in the real world. but I loved the show, I def wanted more.
The problem is that we expect him to be more like Batman from Batman Begins or even Daredevil who also had similar training. Danny seems more like a guy that went to K'un Lun for a summer, got the Iron Fist and came back to New York.
Iron fist was disappointing, not 14% on RT bad but a disappointment never the less. The show has so many problems and said problems are consistent throughout every episode. Basic issues like establishing who your protagonist is and what they want are quite frankly still vague by episode 10. Danny as a lead is so frustrating because Finn Jones portrays him as either incredibly naive, or really stupid in almost every decision he makes. Also his inability to properly execute the fight choreo, arguably the most important aspect of the show, adds more fuel to that fire. Also while he's good looking and initially fit the role, Finn Jones was maybe to flat out the wrong choice but certainly not the best choice for DR. And before people get triggered I'm not talking race I'm talking acting ability. Finn has a very hard time selling certain emotional beats in the story and comes off as petulant quite a bit. There's some really bad dialogue, and as a writer myself, it could have been very easily fixed had one or two fresh sets of eyes glossed over the script. Honestly for anyone to say it's a good show is a stretch. It's enjoyable don't get me wrong and has some great moments especially when Hogarth and Claire show up but the rest for the most part is a mess. I actually found myself routing against Danny at a certain points because his decision that lead to him being in certain tricky spots were just fucking stupid and he completely deserved to get his ass beat. And that brings me to another point, he should not have had his ass beat nearly as much as he did by street level fighters if he's this mystical living weapon known as the iron fist. It just doesn't make sense.
The majority of previous Iron Fists were Asian, though I believe at least one was Middle Eastern...? Anyway, Danny always believed that he was the first "outsider" to take up the mantle, but that was because Orson Randall abandoned his duties and fled K'un-Lun (just like Danny did in this series) and those in charge of the mystical city basically tried to cover it up, hunt him down and erase him from their history.
The reason that Danny Rand is so naive is because Finn Jones said in an interview the trauma he went through in the plane crash and the death of his parents, and being hit with sticks, has stunted his mental growth. The reason he acts so immature and impolsively is because he's supposed to be a 10 year old boy mentally. Unfortunately, I don't think the show got that to come across well
I mean, making him a petulant child is not a great choice if you're trying to make your character likeable, relatable, and/or heroic. Also... Billy Batson (Captain Marvel) is a kid, but he's not immature and unlikeable. If one wants to make the protagonist young, or developmentally stunted, you can play up his child-like wonder and focus on making him generous and enthusiastic, not selfish and immature. Yes, many kids are selfish and immature... but those aren't kids you should be making superhero tv shows about.
Iron fist was good. the first 6 episodes dragged but I enjoyed Finn Jones as Danny (hopefully he gets a little more built in the fututre) and loved Jessica Henwick as Colleen. But the last 6 episodes were amazing! That Davos and Danny confrontation about the fist and why Danny left Kun Lun was great also Harold Meachum was great and I loved him!!! I'd say that this more Danny Rand... the show and not Iron Fist yet because he isnt THE Iron Fist yet and it makes sense why he doesn't have the costume
Making a venom movie that isnt in the MCU while a new spiderman is being introduced to the MCU is the fucking stupidest idea ever, we all want a great spiderman v venom movie. Urrgh.
I think that the only one that could beat him up maybe is daredevil because Luke cage and Jessica Jones can't fight that good without powers Luke cage could just have his powers useless cuz the iron fist daredevil has fighting abilities so it'd be a good fight
Wasn't interested in Luke Cage and I'm not interested in Iron Fist. I was gonna jump back on for the Defenders but that's apparently coming out midway through this year and as far as I know it's currently only a couple of episodes long so I have no hopes for it. There's also a Punisher thing happening at the end of the year so I have a very "ugh" and a *tug of the collar* feeling.
It's hilarious how misinformed James and Mason are sometimes. The Ancient One waswhite washed to appease China, because in the comics he's Tibetan and China doesn't acknowledge Tibet. Thankfully, Marvel came to their senses for Spider-Man NWH.
Honestly I'm done with live action Superhero shows and movies for the most part with exceptions for the good shit Been watching stuff like Young Justice and Teen Titans Having a way better time
Goddammit this writing...
1.
Danny: No more traps. No arrests. Now we deal with Bakuto the way we should have from the beginning!
Davos: *kills Bakuto*
Danny and Colleen: What the hell, man? You can't just kill people! There are consequences!!
3 episodes later
Hogarth to Danny and Colleen: You two are wanted criminals. Either turn yourselves in, or prove your innocence now.
Danny: I have to kill Harold. I WILL kill him and end this.
Colleen: No, Danny. It's too risky. I have to be the one to do it.
Danny to Harold during finale when he can just kill him: It's over. You're going to prison.
*Harold then proceeds to get to his gun and shoot Danny. Ward arrives and shoots, kills Harold...*
2.
Danny: I trust this person! Why don't you?!
Danny 2 episodes later: What? I've been lied to! I can't trust that person anymore!
Danny 2 episodes later: What?! I trusted you!
Danny 2 episodes later: I can't trust you, but I need your help.
Danny 2 episodes later: You betrayed me?!
Danny 2 episodes later: *cries* You lied?! My parents!!
This is gold hahahaha
Here's my HUGE rant about Iron Fist...
The way I see it, there were THREE main problems with Netflix's Iron Fist.
1. A fundamental misreading of Danny Rand's character. As a trained master of kung-fu, Danny is not a confused, irrational, basket case, as depicted in the show, but centered, thoughtful, and even charismatic. The character as written and portrayed by Finn Jones is a whiny weirdo, whose motivations and strategies are ridiculously unclear. He's totally uncharismatic and almost painful to watch.
2. There's no THERE there. The previous three Netflix shows, Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, were all about something more than their superhero aspects. Among other things, Daredevil played upon Matt's inner-conflict between his religious faith and his desire for vengeance. Jessica Jones dealt very skillfully with the ideas of emotional abuse and manipulation. Luke Cage was heavily coded with themes about what it means to be a hero in the contemporary Black community. But what is Iron Fist about? Why did Danny decide to desert his post in K'unn L'unn and return to New York? Why should we care if he regains control of his father's company?
3. And finally, the biggest fail, and maybe the most important one, was the failure to present exciting or even convincing action. As a story about a kung-fu master, Iron Fist should have had the BEST action scenes of the Netflix series, instead, what we get is something on the level of a CW show, actually, Arrow's fight scenes are A LOT better. It seemed to me that the kung-fu was treated like an afterthought, in favor of endless boardroom drama. The skill level of Iron Fist himself was inconsistent to say the least - one minute he's taking on dozens of trained Hand fighters at a time, the next he's struggling against petty thugs and a totally untrained guy old enough to be his father.
There were many more problems, I could go on and on. I could have forgiven EVERYTHING if the fighting was great, but it wasn't.
I really wanted to like Iron Fist, I actually finished the whole thing, it was hard to look away from the train wreck.
100% correct.
He struggles in things such as managing his emotions (hanging on to 15 year old trauma or hitting the kid in the dojo), diffusing situations (mental institution), and being respectful (chuckling at a homeless person).
I thought for sure this show could easily be on par with Daredevil, but the action sequences, acting, and story line was just weak....
"Green Lantern Corpse" would be an awesome Black Lantern movie title.
Did anyone else think Davos was Bullseye when he first showed up and threw tin foil throwing stars around?
I kind of preferred Davos over Danny, he had stronger motivations, he didn't shove the religion down people's throats, he seemed more invested in the Iron Fist than Danny was and I think he was kind of a better actor. (Totally my opinion and I can't really explain what I'm trying to)
Didn't think he was Bullseye, but I was SUPER confused why he knocked out that innocent guy and stole his truck then threw foil ninja stars above an innocent mans unconscious head lol
I'm with you. Basically the writers made Danny out to be a bit of a dick, just angry all the time for someone who supposedly spent half his life meditating, and he got sucker punched by too many henchmen for someone who supposedly spent the other half of his life training to be a living weapon. Davos at least had a purpose for his moods and a motivation. Danny kept going from being a complete dick to sounding completely patronising when he was trying to sound wise. They need someone who understands chinese and/or buddhist philosophy to write the cosmic dialogue, they need an Asian stunt director to make those fight scenes better and they need to spend less time in the office and more time in the streets.
Ya, I thought he was part of the hand initially.
The Draconian Pilgrim It really baffles me: why did the they choose Danny? Just like you
said, Davos was more invested; he not only had the motivation but he also seemed to understand the responsibility tied to the title of the Iron Fist. Danny just decided that he might as well train since it's not like he's getting home anytime soon. Granted, training may have helped him get over the loss of his family (then again, not so much, since it's still haunting him). Ultimately, Danny reaches his goal and isn't satisfied. Then he just leaves his responsibilities because he sees a freaking bird?
I did enjoy the show, though.
The weekly planet, the weekly planet!!!!
I'm only 6 episodes in but some of the choices the show makes are baffling. I agree with Mason, Danny should have known to just say he maybe grew up in a monastery or something. And the Danny Rand character so far isn't very likable. I just started reading the current Marvel run on Iron Fist and Powerman, and that comic is great and alot of fun. Hopefully we get a Danny Rand that's more like the one depicted in the comic.
But he doesn't live in a world where the things he's saying are considered crazy. I mean this is the same universe where Aliens invaded New York and were fought off by a group of mostly Superhumans. You would think they would be more open minded towards people with Superpowers.
I totally agree but it's never really clear how much Danny knows of the world or current events. It's bit that I don't like the character,but I'm just not totally sold yet.
+Pranavanathan Yoganathan He might not have known about those events but the people of New York do. So it did feel like they were being a tad bit irrational by throwing him into a mental hospital. With Luke Cage and even Jessica Jones people were only mildly shocked by them(some more than others) but with Iron Fist people act like it's the craziest thing they've ever seen or heard. Claire won't even take him seriously when he tells her that he fought a Dragon yet Thor fought Magic elves in London.
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You say he's not likeable. Nando v Movies did a video where he outlined how he would fix it; in short, he would've had him dream that the Hand infiltrated his family's company, that way his motivation for leaving is to stop the hand, not because he's an entitled prick. (The video has a lot more to it and is really good, but that's the short of it.)
I think that would've been a huge improvement.
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Maybe the reason James has hidden his face for so long is because he's like that paper bag guy from Futurama, and his appearance will cause our life force to be instantly sucked out upon first sight. Looking forward to seeing it!
I love it, the best, no podcast like it. Tried to donate, said it was expired, makes me sad. #Ironfiiist
Anyone else disappointed that Nelson & Murdock were not Danny's lawyers when Harold frames him. That could have led to an Iron Fist DareDevil team up to get the tablet back and clear his name that would have been amazing.
Not skipping ads because I'm to broke to donate! thanks for all the laughs so far!
I've been waiting for the "non censored" version of iron fist weekly planet review. Yooosss!
I wish they had just scrapped the corporate intrigues all together and set the first two-three episodes in K'un-Lun leading up to Danny facing the dragon. It would have made it more impactful when he lost the fist if we had seen his struggle to get it at all.
James watches Supernatural...like 9 seasons deep? Fuck yeah! I love these guys.
Bloody good stuff mate
Internet: There's never any suggestion that Danny doesn't know what the internet is. He has no money and has no access to the internet -the other guy just happens to have a stolen one and offers to look something up for Danny.
Lack of Mysticism: Maybe you guys didn't notice (!), but Madam Gao makes Danny fly across the room just by waving her hand in his direction, Harold comkes back from the dead, Gao talks about having been interrogated in the 17yh century, Gao is able to know what Colleen's grandfather used to tell her as a child, Gao is mysteriously able to see Danny when he sees her on a video monitor to his surprise. I think there just might be a little magic going on there.The climax of the show reveals that Danny experienced a foreshadowing of his encounter with Harold when he entered Shao-Lao's cave. Also Danny is being guided by the hawk (which also appears to be a manifestation of Shao-Lao) which has had a profound effect on his life.
Seems to be a fair bit of mysticism going on there.
i freaking loved Iron Fist. probably one of my top favorites
the Coleen Wing/Danny Rand relationships was one of my favorite parts of the show
Bryan Lara absolutely, really good chemistry
will the live event be up on the channel for all to see? or just for the contributors?
can you guys upload the previous episodes on youtube? I have problems listening them on itunes in my country.
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I expected the Iron Fist be the Marvel Universe's own version of all things Martial Arts. That said, do a comparison between fight scenes from the show with similar scenes from different Martial Art Movies and ask who you think did it better?
Episode 4: Hallway Hatchet Fight --- The Transporter Axe Fight
Episode 4: Elevator Fight Scene --- Ip Man 3 Elevator Fight Scene
Episode 5: Cargo Truck CQC --- Kiss of the Dragon vs Boxer scene
Episode 6: Russian 2 vs 1 fight --- Prince of the Sun Cynthia Rothrock (Park Fight Scene)
Episode 6: Weapons Master fight --- Ip Man vs Cheung Tin Chi
Episode 8: vs Drunk Guy --- Drunken Master final fight
Episode 10: Office Fight Scene --- Kiss of the Dragon, Taekwondo Twins fight
Episode 10: Courtyard Escape scene --- Enter the Dragon Lee and Roper vs Han's Men
Episode 12: Elevator Lobby Fight scene --- The Raid Machete Fight
The examples I pointed out are usable search phrases. Even in those videos, while you can see where the physics defying wire stunts were happening, there's still a huge difference in fight choreography quality when comparing it to the Netflix show. I have no qualms with the Finn Jones race casting, nor the problems with the script (like severed fingers inexplicably regenerating after a resurrection and people just forgetting about it), but would it be wrong of me to feel underwhelmed by the action choreography shown in the episodes?
"Cape at the front AND the back" 1:21:29
Bruce Willis' character from Unbreakable
The Venom movie should be a slasher movie.
that actually sounds pretty cool
I enjoyed Iron Fist more than Luke Cage, but I'd like to have had a bit more Defenders set up in this one. There was also a Game of Thrones reference near the start, in the hospital, "Ward Meachum sends his regards"
I'm surprised Claire never said "we can get Daredevil to help". Even if Iron Fist declined, Claire says he can't do it alone. So c'mon Claire what the heck.
I was going to enter the contest but the series killed it for me
TWIST! Justice League Dark is really a lighthearted comedy because the regular Justice League is already dark. (I know what JL Dark is btw)
I'm a madman! I've watched the whole thing!
Also, fight scenes were like that because of the style they used. It's traditional Kung Fu, and is mostly concentrated on defensive approach, that's why it's slow, character doesn't fiercely go against enemies like Daredevil, his fighting style isn't as aggressive. Actually show was pretty faithful to this style of martial arts and it really impressed me, you don't usually get old traditional Kung Fu in media.
please upload this the same time as the podcast.
This has been popping up on my feed again. I guess folks are looking for reviews instead of subjecting themselves to Iron Fist again 😆
Monday mornings are the best, except for work.
How about this for a new non-superhero character: a police detective working in one of DC's primary cities. I don't know of anyone doing that.
Did they already talk about Legion in previous podcasts ?
21:00 "Ambush Bug"
I agree wholeheartedly, but Deadpool's stolen much of his schtick.
The Co-host from The Gold Coast, Nick Mason :)
Also, I think Stallone & Rosenbaum will just be two Nova agents that are after Ego for benign reasons
Danny Rand has NO street smarts, his honesty is his weakness. He doesn't know when he should lie and uses his smarts.
Barry Jordan Which, in my opinion, is an interesting dynamic. People are complaining that Danny is dumb, and I think that was the point. He only had contact with the real world for like 10 years before he ended up in K'un Lun, so he shouldn't be street smart and he shouldn't understand betrayal, things like that. He's different from the other Defenders and I hope this trend is continued and perhaps broken throughout his character arc in the Defenders,
Well that is debunked when he presents a very low key story for the press about what happened to him.
Well that is also debunked by Danny's memories of playing games with Ward. Rules are for Pussies, remember. Danny clearly understands betrayal, when the guys who "saved him" start beating him with sticks. etc.
I feel like Danny was told not to get too much into Kunlun by the Meachums because people would think he's crazy. Ward believes rules are "for pussies", not Danny. When he was beaten by the Kunlun guys, it was punishment not betrayal. He can understand punishment, but he hasn't actually experienced it.
I like that Danny is not the street smart cynical guy like Jessica Jones or Daredevil. Makes him different and I can't wait to see the characters clash.
Prior to watching the show, I expected him to act like Arrow, expecting that he's figured out everything and he's got a plan knowing what he's doing... buuut he doesn't. And it makes it way more interesting.
Iron Fist was a good series... could have been paced a little faster... but as a whole... it was equal, maybe even slightly better, to Luke Cage (mainly because Iron Fist is more consistent and Luke Cage ended in a bit of a train wreck).
It's definitely strong enough to prove that all the negative critics were wrong about their analysis of this show. It was very watchable... very enjoyable. Very re-watchable the closer we get to The Defenders being released.
@weeklyplanet You guys should watch Garth Marenghi's Darkplace if you like The Mighty Boosh/Nathan Barley.
Danny was written as a complete idiot. And it's not just the whole thing with him being naive and not understanding American culture. He has no idea what he's doing about anything.
He keeps saying that he's an enemy of the Hand and how the Iron Fist is destined to destroy the Hand but he doesn't bother to learn anything about the Hand's goals, who their real leaders are, what their powers are, why they want to sell heroin, why they want to destroy K'un Lun, what their weaknesses are, etc. He just randomly fights some Hand goons but it doesn't achieve anything since he doesn't kill them or get them arrested so they'll be back on the streets after their bruises heal. And he destroys like two Hand drug labs, except he knows that they have operations all over the world so two drug labs would barely dent their drug sales.
In the end, all Danny does is inconvenience the Hand. There's absolutely nothing stopping the Hand from coming back and taking Rand over again. It made no sense why Danny thought he defeated the Hand.
That's because they were different groups of the Hand. The Hand operating in New York are basically doing their own thing and the Hand attacking K'un Lun have their separate motives. His friend also didn't know about their operation in New York so i doubt anybody in K'un Lun does. And without the Meachums funding them and the support of Rand enterprise they have no operation anymore. Kingpin is in jail and Madame Gao has to start from scratch just to find a way to even distribute.
My point is that Danny never even tries to learn about the Hand, which makes no sense because he's supposed to have been trained to fight the Hand. As for the different factions of the Hand, they still tell you nothing about them. Do they really have different goals or do they have the same goal but just have different way to achieve it? Also, how do you know the Hand attacking K'un Lun have different motives? Danny says that the Iron Fist is supposed to protect K'un Lun from the Hand. But since Danny went around telling everyone that he's the Iron Fist, the Hand learned that K'un Lun was unprotected. So maybe the whole reason why the Hand attacked K'un Lun is because they knew it wasn't protected and it was the perfect opportunity.
As for stopping the Meachums from funding the Hand, so what? Why would the Hand have to start from scratch? None of the Hand's operations were really hurt. Most of the Hand's people are still around. Gao's men didn't go anywhere. The assassins from the tournament are still alive. Bakuto's students could have just moved to a different compound. They could immediately start everything back up again. And what's stopping the Hand from forcing the Meachums to help them again?
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I can't believe you never brought up when Harold compared the Iron Fist to a sex toy. I lol'd when he said that.
they should have done something like in the first Thor movie. When Thor got banished he just kept telling people he's from "far away" and only told people once he got their trust
"the Iron Fist is his girlfriend in Canada" Hahahahahaha...perfect
I expected this show to be on same level as Daredevil season 1, just with lot of amazing kung fu fight scenes and focused more on asian culture. Something like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon meets superhero origin TV show. It was still decent but it could have been so much better.
I really enjoyed the Meachum corporate and family drama that I watched. The Iron Fist stuff seemed oddly irrelevant to the bulk of the character development.
I would happily watch a Ward Meachum and Hogarth centric corporate/legal cinspiracy anti-hero show
Danny does have flashbacks to his fight with the Dragon. They apparently spent to much on his light up fist or that plane to give us an actual dragon.
Sooooooo does coming back from the dead inexplicably regenerate severed fingers and magically make people ever forget it happened?
That's quite a step up from Daredevil since Nobu was burned in season 1, but when he came back in season 2, the burn scars were all over his face.
Will the D&D event be filmed and put online? I would love to see and/or hear Nick Mason play Dungeons & Dragons ^_^
How about a one shot where you just answer letters while intoxicated?
The Iron Fist series is, at best, 6 episodes of narrative material stretched out to 13, and done in the clunkiest way. It was so obvious that many scenes in every episode exist purely to kill screen-time. The film-making adage that one should "go in [to a scene] late, and get out early" sure has hell isn't applied in these Marvel Netflix series.
Just horrible.
Does anybody know when daredevil season three is going to start?
Am I the only one who likes Iron Fist? I've seen four episodes and I love it so far.
sirloinofice I enjoyed the later episodes a lot more than the earlier episodes, I preferred it to Luke Cage
i enjoyed it, probably my fav after dare devil season 1, i agree with the problems in it tho, but it didn't affect my like those shitting on it
sirloinofice I enjoyed the first couple of episodes but then it doesn't go anywhere
sirloinofice Love it too
The first couple episodes are okay. From there it stays the same in every way. Not that its terrible, but nowhere near Daredevil or Luke Cage good.
He's not dumb, he's just naive. That's actually understandable, guy spent 15 years in a monastery. He doesn't necessarily understand people. But he learns, remember the Hand compound, he starts seeing through lies. His anger and twitches are understandable too, his parents died and he was raised mostly by training, he has psychological issues.
A Clair Temple series with a Frontline tie in.
Those endings!
Davos said Danny was the first outsider to be chosen to become the Iron Fist
I think that there's somewhere in the neighborhood of a dozen main series Jack Ryan novels before it shifts characters. in the books he has a clearly defined character, just not in the movies.
I agree, if they make a Matrix sequel it HAS to be set in 1999. HAS TO BE.
Also Iron First was fine. Wasn't great. wasn't terrible. It was fine. Got better as it went along.
I agree with this review of Iron Fist. Few times I was yelling at TV for Danny not to be such an idiot but on the whole really enjoyed show.
I think the problem is too many people expected DD Season 1, and that's really, really hard to live up to.
Well, not THE problem, but I think it is a factor.
Gecko Jesus So true. Shame that both the story and the fighting were better in Daredevil.
Gecko Jesus personally I've always thought Iron Fist was lighter in tone (I'm not well versed in his lore). So I don't think I was expecting it.
I think it terms of quality, the expectations were high.I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but I feel like that is a part of it.
Darth Mau and the Obi-Wan Kenobi fight was kind of like an old western. when the antagonist and protagonist finally meet the drama and the tension was in the build-up to the fight not necessarily the flight itself. kind of like The Good The Bad and The Ugly or they stare at each other for like 25 minutes LOL and the fight is over in 5 seconds it's all about the build-up mate.
I would love a good spawn movie!
Sweet vid, left a like :}
I could barely finish the first episode,I had to force myself through it and I don't know if I can do that again..
DeAndre Hughes same mate
DeAndre Hughes just skip too episode 5 or 6
DeAndre Hughes lol it's not THAT bad lol
The worst part about the show is that it never gets better..... Madame Gao is great as always along with Claire, but we had to dig deep to get through the whole series.
Danny rand reminded me of Joffrey at times
I can agree that Danny Rand wasn't cast very well, but I disagree with the narrative that his character is written too "dumb". He was a 10 year old, coddled, sheltered, rich momma's-boy when he's thrown out of our world (after watching both of his parents die) and sent to live in a feudal era civilization that did literally nothing but prepare him to be a living weapon. That's not a recipe for a well adjusted, functioning member of society in our world. I don't really like Finn Jones' portrayal, but I think he did convey that sense of childlike naivety, and reasoning of just smash your face at it to try and solve a problem, pretty well. I think the character work, acting and story were actually solid, and the action sequences and pacing were the real glaring flaws.
I just finished the show. I gave it a 2/5 stars. Its a really really huge step down from the quality of the other shows. Daredevil is nearly flawless for both its seasons. Jessica Jones is great, Luke Cage is kinda boring and a meh character portrayal but serviceable. And Iron Fist is just a terrible show with terrible acting and worst of all terrible fight choreography. Theres really no excuse for an organization that made such amazing low budget scenes like Daredevil's that are iconic now. There's no attempt at danny wearing a costume throughout the entire show. He's shown as whiney and a coward and an idiot for a guy who according to just the show's logic has been training and meditating his whole life. His "center" should be a lot more centered even if he's a 25 year old naive guy.
I also like "The Losers"
A better live action version of Suicide Squad.
Superior is way more like Captain Marvel then Superman. That being said, Matt Vaughn should do Jupiter's Legacy
How was Blade: Trinity not David Goyer's fault? He directed and wrote it! And besides, Wesley Snipes behavior may have been a bit off-to be charitable-but what you don't ask is WHAT caused that behavior (I've read it was essentially a passive-aggressive response to Goyer's ham-fisted directing)?
Iron fist is fine, it's not the best Netflix marvel show. Also they didn't do any of those patented villain or hero flashback to childhood scenes to see how they tick
Hey Mr Goat, you could say cohost with the homost? A subtle but charming dig. You're welcome. :)
If you thought Misty Stone was the most insufferable character, wait until Colleen Wing shows up 😂
DEAD AGAINST a MATRIX prequel ..... but originally, the Wachowski' had the world of THE MATRIX 'reload' back to 1984 because the machines only really knew the reality of 1984 to 1999 so human kind lived the same years over and over (so I guess this means they were re-writing the memories of the pod people to have different birthdays every 16 years or something)
the guy who played Zhou Cheng would make a great Nightwing, anyone else think that?
Iron fist is clearly a better kung fu guy than daredevil imo because he has no real problem at beating a load of the Hand's best fighters, where as daredevil has had many a problem with fighting them. That being said, the kung fu in this was no where near as entertaining as in daredevil.
please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't comic Danny Rand a joker, and funny character. if so
people defended the decision to keep the Netflix character true to the race of the original but if that's the case why didn't they keep his personality also
I believe they said Danny was the first outsider to become the Iron Fist.
Ungreatful Duck well on the pod cast they thought he said he was the first white guy which is totally wrong. But I am fairly sure he said he was the first outsider. I could be wrong though.
He was the first outsider.
I really like Iron Fist. I don't understand most of the criticisms it has received. It seems like people don't pay attention to the details. Danny was 10 when he was effectively killed in our world, and then he was taken against his will to a repressive monastery where the monks beat him and he never had the time to mourn his family. Of course he'd be naive in our world. The last time he was in it he was a little boy.
And as for the action, they tried to shoot in like comic panels but it doesn't quite work until the challenges. And the drunken master fight and gate fight are both great. And as for him not being as good as Daredevil at fighting, Daredevil gets hammered to shit in fights against Russians and biker gangs, yet Danny barely even gets hit by the hatchet mob. I felt all the fights showed how OP he was against street level thugs, even if they were a bit schizophrenic in their execution.
I also found Danny to be quite believable in the situation he was put in. His naivete and trust is to be expected as he hasn't seen these people since he was a child and has no idea of their actual intentions. But you see him grow and figure that out.
I also want to add as a martial arts film afficionado and a fan of hong kong cinema in general, the fights are no where near as bad as people are making out. I get that some of them are subpar, but some of them are very entertaining. Hatchet men. The challenges. Drunken Master. Bakuto in the bunker. The daughter of the dragon. The gate fight. Davos. I think people are just parroting what they have heard from others with regards to the fights.
Pintheshadows I guess the brutal criticism comes from the fact that it just could have been so much better.
ironfist is unlikable. He does not seem very smart. If something seems to steer people away then why does he keep telling people things they dont believe. Plus it clear the monks he was trained by were not the warmest or the most decent but they give him some discipline but he seems very lacking in it and he seems to have zero self control. Was fighting the only criteria for the ironfist? Plus the cameos in the other seires seem way more natural, in this show claire just being there is kinda stupid. Dare devil and jessica jones met her at a hospital which makes sense and luke cage knew her through jessica but he just happens to meet her and the lawyer just happened to work for his father.
Mr Sunday movies is wrong. Maul wanted Revenge on Palpatine for killing his family. His quest for Revenge against Obi-wan ended in Clone wars.
TheDeadlysyns Then why did they fight?
Just so they could kill off Maul. It was throwing out all the character development Maul had in Clone wars because Rebels is close to ending and Maul can't be around for ANH.
TheDeadlysyns Why not? He could just fuck off to some other different named desert/snow/forest planet and live out his life or somethin haha
But you have to call it The Matrix Rebooted.
I hated that Danny would talk about something absolutely crazy and would get frustrated when they don't believe him. "Yeah, I'm from an unknown monastery that's only seen for a short period every fifteen years." OF COURSE THEY DONT BELIEVE YOU! YOU SOUND INSANE!
Everyday Gamer He had been there since he was a child. It was all he knew. He expected others to believe as he did.
Thank god someone else picked up on that sarahsue. I some times wonder if people actually pay attention when they watch these shows. This is compounded when you see Davos and he is completely indoctrinated.
I don't believe Witta either, how long do you think before we get a Darth Vader movie?
They show the just before he fights the Dragon. You see the Dragons eyes in a cave.
I LOVED Iron Fist! It's as good as Daredevil. I love that it had more character and wasn't just punching like Luke Cage. I loved every character especially Danny. He is definitely my favorite defender. The Meachams were a very interesting family. And I loved all of the Hand storyline. I'm glad they didn't have all that race crap like in Luke Cage. It was so annoying and made it divisive. He was raised by monks what does his race have to do with it? Man yall are hating so hard on it. It was so good though.
Luke Cage wasn't divisive. The reviews were almost universally positive and they have the second best villain behind Kingpin with Cottonmouth. Iron Fist was pretty dope though, i like how they didn't over complicate things with the hand because that was kind of an issue for me with Daredevil season 2(It was still great though).
I hope you've grown as a person in the four years since you left this comment. This comment heavily suggests that you're pretty racist. If you've grown since, that's great. If not, there's no time like the present to start.
I think Finn Jones did ok, and I like that Rand is naive and dumb. He 25 years old! He's the youngest Defender, he should be naive.
Well it's also because he's been living with monks for 15 years his social skills aren't exactly at their peak when he's living in a bubble and pretty much doing nothing but training. So he's pretty much kept that 10 year old mentality.
Are you serious? 25 years old and it's okay to be naive? This indicates serious brain trauma or just plain stupidity. I didn't hate the show, but that was the most serious problem with the show imo. It's like he did not mature one bit in the 15 years he was stranded in K'un Lun. The second biggest problem with the show is that he was barely the Iron Fist in it. 99% of the time he was just a guy who knew martial arts, and even then the action could have been a lot better.
That's kind of the point... He didn't mature in that sense. His life was stuck in the mentality of a 10 year old once the plane crashed and he was taken in by monks. He's never had to deal with the emotions he's going through, the closest thing he's had to a friend is more akin to a rival and his closest thing to a family regularly beat him to turn him into a weapon and ingrained in his head that he'd have to fight the hand. So yes in Danny's case I'd say it makes perfect sense that the character is naive at 25.
And no he isn't instantly Iron Fist just like Matt wasn't instantly Daredevil it's called growth. This season is very much about who Danny Rand is with hints of the greater mystical world that surrounds him. It's obvious he didn't finish his training and left when he realized he could. So just like Matt is shaping out to be the Daredevil we know Danny will take that same journey to become Iron Fist that we know. Hell the only character that has been like their character in the comics pretty much from the start is Jessica Jones and that's mainly due to her not being a superhero but even then she's not a perfect fit.
I think the point is he was chosen as the Iron Fist, but clearly didn't complete his training. He didn't know how to use the Iron Fist properly, recharge his Chi, heal, etc. The Iron Fist in the 1940s could light up both hands, Danny only used one. He has a lot to learn. And street smarts is not a give with age, it is with experiences in the real world. but I loved the show, I def wanted more.
The problem is that we expect him to be more like Batman from Batman Begins or even Daredevil who also had similar training. Danny seems more like a guy that went to K'un Lun for a summer, got the Iron Fist and came back to New York.
Iron fist was disappointing, not 14% on RT bad but a disappointment never the less. The show has so many problems and said problems are consistent throughout every episode.
Basic issues like establishing who your protagonist is and what they want are quite frankly still vague by episode 10. Danny as a lead is so frustrating because Finn Jones portrays him as either incredibly naive, or really stupid in almost every decision he makes. Also his inability to properly execute the fight choreo, arguably the most important aspect of the show, adds more fuel to that fire. Also while he's good looking and initially fit the role, Finn Jones was maybe to flat out the wrong choice but certainly not the best choice for DR.
And before people get triggered I'm not talking race I'm talking acting ability. Finn has a very hard time selling certain emotional beats in the story and comes off as petulant quite a bit.
There's some really bad dialogue, and as a writer myself, it could have been very easily fixed had one or two fresh sets of eyes glossed over the script. Honestly for anyone to say it's a good show is a stretch. It's enjoyable don't get me wrong and has some great moments especially when Hogarth and Claire show up but the rest for the most part is a mess. I actually found myself routing against Danny at a certain points because his decision that lead to him being in certain tricky spots were just fucking stupid and he completely deserved to get his ass beat. And that brings me to another point, he should not have had his ass beat nearly as much as he did by street level fighters if he's this mystical living weapon known as the iron fist. It just doesn't make sense.
Paully808 you're spot on with everything you said. This show felt straight up rushed too.
You do realize the 14% on RT doesn't mean the Critics gave it a 14%. It means only 14% gave it above a 60% or 6/10.
It's not Finns fault, it's the writers who basically made Danny out to be a bit of a dick.
Paully808 your spot on the tone was terrible they should have went with a big trouble in little China vibe
Also the hand where like triads in this but in daredevil they where actual ninjas
what if in the new matrix everyone is stuck in the same time repeating the whole year without knowing
The majority of previous Iron Fists were Asian, though I believe at least one was Middle Eastern...? Anyway, Danny always believed that he was the first "outsider" to take up the mantle, but that was because Orson Randall abandoned his duties and fled K'un-Lun (just like Danny did in this series) and those in charge of the mystical city basically tried to cover it up, hunt him down and erase him from their history.
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The reason that Danny Rand is so naive is because Finn Jones said in an interview the trauma he went through in the plane crash and the death of his parents, and being hit with sticks, has stunted his mental growth. The reason he acts so immature and impolsively is because he's supposed to be a 10 year old boy mentally. Unfortunately, I don't think the show got that to come across well
I mean, making him a petulant child is not a great choice if you're trying to make your character likeable, relatable, and/or heroic.
Also... Billy Batson (Captain Marvel) is a kid, but he's not immature and unlikeable. If one wants to make the protagonist young, or developmentally stunted, you can play up his child-like wonder and focus on making him generous and enthusiastic, not selfish and immature.
Yes, many kids are selfish and immature... but those aren't kids you should be making superhero tv shows about.
Iron fist was good. the first 6 episodes dragged but I enjoyed Finn Jones as Danny (hopefully he gets a little more built in the fututre) and loved Jessica Henwick as Colleen. But the last 6 episodes were amazing! That Davos and Danny confrontation about the fist and why Danny left Kun Lun was great also Harold Meachum was great and I loved him!!!
I'd say that this more Danny Rand... the show and not Iron Fist yet because he isnt THE Iron Fist yet and it makes sense why he doesn't have the costume
Making a venom movie that isnt in the MCU while a new spiderman is being introduced to the MCU is the fucking stupidest idea ever, we all want a great spiderman v venom movie. Urrgh.
Madame Gao is Bae.
I think that the only one that could beat him up maybe is daredevil because Luke cage and Jessica Jones can't fight that good without powers Luke cage could just have his powers useless cuz the iron fist daredevil has fighting abilities so it'd be a good fight
Mighty Boosh man was in a channel 4 series called Flowers where he wants to kill himself
Mason has a Mohawk?
Cant wait to see your goat face.
Wasn't interested in Luke Cage and I'm not interested in Iron Fist. I was gonna jump back on for the Defenders but that's apparently coming out midway through this year and as far as I know it's currently only a couple of episodes long so I have no hopes for it. There's also a Punisher thing happening at the end of the year so I have a very "ugh" and a *tug of the collar* feeling.
It's hilarious how misinformed James and Mason are sometimes. The Ancient One waswhite washed to appease China, because in the comics he's Tibetan and China doesn't acknowledge Tibet. Thankfully, Marvel came to their senses for Spider-Man NWH.
Chi > everything else in life.
Honestly I'm done with live action Superhero shows and movies for the most part with exceptions for the good shit
Been watching stuff like Young Justice and Teen Titans
Having a way better time