Yuriko’s commander ninjutsu ability should definitely have been mentioned, although I know Gavin Verhey already discussed his regret for not adding commander tax to that cost.
Yeah I watched that too. I understand Gavin's regret, but there is already a precendent to that "bypassing commander tax" with Derevi's ability (which is even easier to do so than Yuriko's commander ninjutsu). Nevertheless, I think Yuriko's design (commander ninjutsu and its other ability) is already superb as it requires deck building restrictions to optimize its ability. But for duel commander (1v1), it is just inch closer to be banned (as Derevi is banned in duel commander) once further good high CMC cards that could be easily and effectively utilized by Yuriko decks proliferate the MTG card pool.
My biggest "what I wish I could change" would be adding colors to format staples. I don't fundamentally have issues with Teferi's protection; there should be powerful cards. I think it'd be a perfect Azorious card. Heroic intervention, perfect Selesnya card. Smothering Tithe, Orzohv, or what Daina said and put more color pips. In general, I'd have the color weight of all cards be higher. By and large, I'd try to make super staples less staply by limiting the decks they're allowed in so they're seen less often.
I really like that idea in concept, but I think the biggest problem with this idea is that it basically completely obliterates mono-colored decks and boosts the power of 5 color decks even farther. After all, the only color combo that actually benefits from this change is 5 color, since all of the other combos are losing staples.
@@danielsniff6405 Yeah, I agree. I'm just imagining another universe where the number of colored pips is a more utilized power axis of cards, where color heavy cards are the norm rather than the exception, and going 5-color would mean needing to pick objectively worse cards, or going suuuper heavy on color fixing, because the best cards are too mana specific. Anyways, that would be a totally different game than the one in this time line.
@@AxillaryPower2 the problem with color intensive stuff is color fixing is so good now that in 3 colors or less i rarely get color screwed and the only time it stuck out was in a 5 color deck that i desperately needed green in. Hell my mardu lifegain deck i play stuff like true conviction. Unless we go like 4 or 5 color pips it can be remarkably easy to play whatever you want
To be fair to Smothering Tithe, it was pretty clearly a part of the effort to help shore up white’s weaknesses in commander. As such, making it Orzhov would probably be a bit beside the point.
Designing cards for a meta, two years in advance, blindly, without any knowledge of what's being released before or after makes problems. Some of these duds will one day give life to absolute bangers.
Questing Beast should be Mardu. 1RWB. Read its text: Vigilance, deathtouch, haste Questing Beast can’t be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less. Combat damage that would be dealt by creatures you control can’t be prevented. Whenever Questing Beast deals combat damage to an opponent, it deals that much damage to target planeswalker that player controls.
@@RedCometNurse I don't think that Questing Beast is a big contributor to green's superiority, frankly. It's a big word soup with some specific areas of usefulness, and that's really all it is.
The "cant' be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less." part is a green ability. I agree that it could have been multicolor but green should've still been one of those colors. I think ideally it should have been a different design altogether. A creature with 6 abilities with two of them being so situational they get forgotten is just a bad design.
Oh man I am just tuning into the episode and noticed I got the shout out haha thats awesome! Great pronunciation on my last name too, Hurrah! Love the content, keep it rolling!
I think another way to cut back on Dockside Extortionist power just a bit is make it non-token artifacts and enchantments that way the person who is casting it isn't able to capitalize on other people having lots of treasure.
I'm going to add eater of virtue, such a cool underpowered equipment. Each should add a specific virtue counter when exiled so if its bounced or if you have multiple you aren't at a disadvantage. Alternatively, when it leaves the field all cards exiled with it should go back to the graveyard. It's so vulnerable and it takes legitimate effort to set up, I really wish they added either of those conditions. Really fun to play.
Another solution would be to give it hexproof or indestructible (or ward - exile three creatures from your graveyard), just enough to make it more difficult to remove.
That point about splashable spells, I really resonated with that one. This is what I would call elegant design - A small change, which doesn't really negatively impact the decks those cards were intended for but stops their overuse outside of those contexts. Though, with the amount of treasure we have knocking about these days, I don't think that it would make as big a difference as one would wish. What we really need going forward is more treasure hate. There's a handful of cards that shut treasures down, but since they remain on the field it's pretty much a given that if you drop one of those hate cards it'll just get sniped by the player who wants access to his elventy treasures.
For tarasque i think it would be cool to do the Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle sleep effect. May it produce colorless mana and give it a proper coloridentity. But as soon it wakes up, well then give me doom pleace!
“When the last sleep counter is removed, destroy all nonlegendary permanents. Then, each player searches their library and graveyard for five cards and exiles the rest, then puts their chosen cards on top of their library in any order.” Very much brings about an end of the world feeling and puts each player on Doomsday. Also, it’s a “symmetrical but not really” board wipe because let’s be real, you’re not running many nonlegendary permanents.
The Tarrasque isn't an Eldrazi-level threat. It's more like a Godzilla-level threat-an unstoppable, unkillable kaiju that will crush anything in its path.
Even that's a bit of a stretch. Compared to old school lore the modern Tarrasque that they likely used as the base for this design is just like this. All hype, but little threat. Not even close to being the strongest Stat block in official material anymore.
If dockside’s treasures came in tapped it would be even more broken for the next player who makes a clone of it and the first player can’t sacrifice their treasures so the 2nd player gets even more treasures.
Changing the casting cost of Dockside can really knock it down. Make it so it doesn't really come up that mana positive. There have been times I've cast it and only got 3 or 4 treasures. So if it cost 2RR or RRR you're going to see less abuse. Also making it more mana restrictive so it can't be played in every deck that runs red. If it was RRR, I would not be running it in anything above 2 colors.
The nephalim from ravnica should have been legends. Their flavor text is stuff like "the earth itself is broken by its steps" "when it awoke the heavens screamed", they all have super interesting and some unique/powerful abilities, and in the books when they run into dune brood teysa calls it "the dune brood nephalim" implying it's the only one.
Dockside having an etb is what makes it a cEDH staple. If you changed it to a cast trigger not only would that make it impossible to stop the player from getting treasures as now you can't even counter it, it would lose all its combos to generate infinite treasures that cEDH wants. Don't get me wrong it's on the too powerful pls nerf side of cards but I think you guys misunderstood how/why it's used in cEDH. My recommendation to fix it would be increase it's Mana cost or make the treasures enter tapped
The issue isn't that dockside can be abused for infinite mana in 2 card combos, because we have more than you could ever imagine amounts of combos that do just this. This isn't the issue. The issue is artifacts are too strong and prevalent so Dockside always lands nicely on board to make enough mana for the caster to usually win a game if they have their combo pieces. If we had more common and well costed artifact hate in all colors there'd be less targets for Dockside to pop off. The only way you could make it weaker is putting a treasure cap of like 5 or something on it, or make it a 4 drop or something. It can still be abused but this way by itself is not so explosive.
Just realizing now that blinking Toothy is ridiculous. You blink Toothy, it leaves, but the blinks needs to finish before the leaves the battlefield trigger happens, which means Toothy is on the field for when it draws the cards off its own ability so it gets its counters back
I would like the text of Dennick, Pious Apparition was: Whenever one or more creature cards are put into graveyards from anywhere, investigate. (just that, without the restriction "This ability triggers only once each turn.")
Balmor is so awesome. I agree with Matt about Crash through but, if you're running Gale in the deck, it's a sorcery to recast when you cast an instant. I think that might be one reason it's showing up in lists.
On the subject of Crash Through: the fact that it's a red cantrip that doesn't target actually gives it some extra utility. It's easier to make Red mana than Blue - Birgi and the assorted rituals are super obvious examples. But most red cantrips target which means sometimes you get two for oned when they snipe your Balmor or Veyran or whatever when you Crimson Wisps it. You 'lose' the trample sure but you aren't realistically playing the card for the trample. It's one of those cards that seems good at level zero but then bad at level one but at level two it's awesome again, because the three most important things on the card are not trample.
It should've been Dockside Extortion, a sorcery for the same mana cost. it's much harder to loop/abuse a sorcery. not impossible, just not laughably easy.
Regarding the tweaking of color pips not being enough and the lack of reasons to play monocolor, I propose this: imagine you had a say, white card that reads "this spell costs W more to cast for each color in your commander's color identity other than white" That way players cannot just put more duals to circumvent costs, they also have to lose tempo if they want to play the thing in multicolor, to the point the card is just too overcosted in 4 or 5 colors. It is also a scalable drawback, 2 colors can play it more easily than 5, and more importantly monocolor has the best version of the card. Watcha think?
I like that, but it does add a lot of text to the card, which is a real cost. That is not saying it is a bad idea, just that it would have to be used selectively.
@@JDP5127 Agreed, it's a lot of text. But I pictured it being used selectively as you said, on some powerful sorceries and instants with simpler effects, and not as a regular mechanic.
Great suggestion! A great way to implement this would be to keyword that ability, so you could then cut the reminder text from the card when more space is required. For example: Tithe {W} (This cards costs {W} more to cast for each colour in your commanders colour identity) I think this effect is genius, and something wizards should have thought of years ago. I suppose it is specific to commander though
@@samuelrobinson4638 Glad you like it! Your solution of keywording it is quite good, it wouldn't solve the wall of text on the first printings of the mechanic because it'd need reminder text anyway, but in the long run as it gets more recognized it would be a great solution. Even giving the ability for r&d to alter the "tithe" cost to more mana or even things like life.
@@PraetorGix I think keywording it is the way to go for sure, as it can be easily tweaked a reused in the future. With correct wording, you could make it function in a tonne of different ways to create some really unique feeling cards
Skullbriar is a beast til everyone knows how to deal with him. When he costs 8 to cast on turn 6 and he only has 3 counters on him, because ur playgroup understands his power is in his haste and cmc, then you start to realise he's a very linear commander.
@@brendans1983 I've been puzzling over my skullbriar deck for years for this very reason. Do i cut some of the splashy cards for just simple protection/reanimation effects? Or keep the splashy cards since skullbriar will cost too much mana eventually?
The main thing I would like to contribute to this is: Dana, you really REALLY do not need to worry about cEDH when you're talking about changes to the format. cEDH isn't a set of cards. It's a mindset, it's a way of playing. Whatever the card pool is, the cEDH agreement is 'Sit down, play to win, use whatever cards get you there.' If a card is changed/banned that doesn't affect the communities ethos.
Cloudstone & Dockside is a common combo in cEDH, Dockside + Sabertooth is a relatively common combo in cEDH and the entire format plays Phantasmal Image mainly because Dockside exists. Breach lines are often fueled with sacrificing and recasting the Dockside, too. I think changing it to a cast trigger would weaken it, but I don't think it'd matter in the grand scheme of things in cEDH.
On a similar vein to how the Ikoria free spells should cast more without the Commander, why on Earth does Boseiju only cost 1G, before the cost reduction?
@@Playingwithproxies target opponent can sac treasures in response and dockside yields zero treasures unless they got mana rocks or other artifacts. Would make it pretty dog shit.
@@jessesandburg it wouldn’t be dog shit but it wouldn’t be anything like it is. You could easily net 1-3 mana but you can hold that mana for a turn and get a big boost.
Generally: more pips for staples would help indeed, I have tons of decks and this would be a factor in 5-color decks when it comes to let's say Smothering Tithe, if it would have 3 white pips I wouldn't include it in some decks that have them yet. Also regarding Dockside, red is most of the time a color which is the least present in multicolor decks, so giving him like 2 pips would make a difference indeed I'd say. The freecast cycle from Ikoria: Make it cost 1 mana and only castable when you have a commander out would fix it, in that case you could even give it cycling in case it is dead I think and it would fit since Ikoria has the cycling mechanic. Dockside Extortionist: Additionally to tapped treasures, target opponent instead of each, making more answers (like giving a player hexproof) valid against Dockside as well as tame him down. If that's still too powerful you could choose artifact or enchantment when it enters and generate the treasures just regarding one of the types, not both, but I think those 2 changes would be enough. And yes, Dockside was always a problem, it was from the very beginning a pushed stupid card and people slept on it and I frankly don't know why it took my 25 copies to skyrocket in price as I purchased them for a price which most people wish they could buy him now. I just didn't stockpiled more of them because I was afraid of reprints and was naive enough to think they would be so nice to reprint him in Commander Legends. Silly me, the greed assessment was off.. Great challenge regarding Spoils of Evil in mill-decks, I have included it some time ago since I also believe it is very good in that type of decks and it has not let me down yet. Alms Collector and Song of the Worldsoul are not as bad as you think I'd say, they are just way more niche. Alms Collector for example is a balanced wheel card and Song of the Worldsoul should just be played if you have some ridiculous tokens like the 10/10 Eldrazi ones or Godsire tokens etc. However, Cartographer's Hawk, Tempt with Glory and the Seraphic Greatsword are indeed mindboggingly bad
On that note of white cards being nerfed for some reason, I've never understood why Scion of Vitu-Ghazi had "if you cast it from your hand." I don't think a card that populates when you blink it would be busted.
Dockside should be cast trigger, but temur sabertooth fixes that, but still it's better than ETB and Smothering tithe should say "When ever a player draws a card except for the first one they draw that turn, create a treasure". Then you needed extra hoops to jump through to make sure you got a treasure, like Howling mine, which draws everyone 2 cards a turn.
[Monologue Tax] works great with cards like [Possibility Storm], [Hive Mind], [Sunbird's Evocation], [Knowledge Pool], anything than Cascades, or the like.
As someone who has a 4 color deck that can consistently cast 2 different ultimatums on curve, color pips aren't as restrictive as people think. Also cloudstone curio is already a $40 card Also people are complaining about bootleggers stash when the card is so niche--its only good in token or treasure decks because it is not a very powerful effect for 6 mana. I said this during spoiler season, pulled one and unloaded it for $28 and now its under $8. Severely misevaluated. I would like to see a 1 mana artifact that says "artifact tokens enter the battlefield tapped" and more stifle effects in colors other than blue.
Agreed with a lot of this. There needs to be more incentive with playing mono-colored decks. I find that the best and most efficient ramp in the game can only be run in multi-color decks. There need to be more reasons to play mono-colored commanders. For example, talismans and signets that can only be used to cast artifact or mono colored spells.
Speaking of this, we did recently see a bit of support that functions best in mono or low colour decks, in the theme of "three or more lands that share a name". Naturally that's easiest to hit in mono colour decks, and more things which reward that provide rewards which benefit mono colour or two colour decks far more than bigger multicolour decks!! Also encourages more basics, which is always delightful.
I think monologue tax could be fixed if it triggered off any player's second spell. It would allow you to trigger it yourself, maybe a flavor fail though.
Matt saying " and make it (cloudstone curio) a $25 card too" made me giggle. That one has been $60+ for a while now and I'm so glad I got one for my Animar deck when it was about $5 12 years ago
as a sythis player myself I kinda do agree with what you said about card draw. Between Sythis and the other enchantresses in my deck I can draw 10 or more cards per turn and it's not super healthy
You can take away my extra card draws when you pry them from my cold, dead hands. And there will be a lot of them to pry, on account of all the enchantments I've been casting.
8:30 Fixed DOckside Extorsionist: 1RR of casting cost, ETB trigger only if casted and counting artifacts only. That would be ok my picks: -) Herald of War. An angel reducing costs of Angel and Human spell? Nice! But not in a 3WW angel AND after attacking (she counts the +1/+1 counters on her) ... her cost reduction is unachiavable! Make her a 2/3 for WWW and maybe with also Battle Cry, she then would be ok -) Steel overseer: give him a "w: Target artifact creature gain haste until end of turn", so he's still useful -) Angel of Condemnation: both her "2W, tap" abilities are a bit overcosted to actually be used in mono-white or selesnya angels deck: a "WW, T" would be more fitting to me -) Kazandu Tuskcaller / Echo Mage / Brimstone Mage : halve the Level Up cost! It would be enough, I guess. And/or a trigger effect giving them a level counter -) Defiler of Vigor: lower it to 5/5, which is enough stat, and give the +1/+1 counter to just ONE single creature -) Defiler of Faith: White is so bad at ramping that ramping with a 5 mana valued creature is .. almost useless: Make it a 3/4 for 2WW and it's ok
Tempting Contract is another card that does nothing as written. If they worded it this way it might do something: "At the beginning of each player's first main phase, that player may create a Treasure token. If an opponent does, you create a Treasure token."
Mine is incredibly niche, but I really wish there was a rules tplating that allowed Licids to work with Mairsil, the Pretender. Especially Dominating Licid.
Balance idea for dockside: Instead of ETB: make the treasures It instead had: Haste Tap and Exile Dockside Extortionist: Make the treasures. That way, it's still great for CEDH in terms of quick value, but doesn't break casual formats. Then again at that point you might as well just turn dockside into a sorcery, so I dunno lol
Not a bad idea and while your point about the sorcery is valid to some extent, don't forget the set it was designed for had a pirate creatures theme etc so it made sense to throw this on a relevant creature body. I definitely think this should've been something similar to what you wrote because having to wait a whole turn and then tap and exile is a fairly hefty cost for a power effect. It gives the table a turn to get rid of it etc. plus you can't just blink it etc. Easy way to fix it for sure.
I think rather than treasures it should just add red mana to your pool. It still keeps its explosive value, and hoses other treasure decks, but limits it to immediate use of the mana.
@@Doombot2point0 True. I had forgotten about the treasure theme in the set it came from, and I don't actually see it often in my playgroup as we are lower budget.
Anything that mills half your library should say "shuffle" first so you can deal it into 2 piles to save time. Otherwise you have to count the cards twice (first to find out how many there are and a second time for the mill) Scrambleverse would waste much less time if instead of picking a random player each time it just shuffled all permanents and went in turn order
As someone who plays Balmor in a Narset list, the crash through take is just wrong. I play in a VERY high powered pod, and the results when casting crash through and getting to keep chaining cantrips together + getting trample to go wide, is insane.
I'm wondering if some of these treasure cards would be more balanced if they not only had their treasures that they create enter the battlefield tapped, but if they said something along the lines of "all of your treasures enter the battlefield tapped?"
For me for hulbreacher it should have been when your opponents draw one or more instead they draw one and you create a treasure Same for smothering tithe When an opponent draws one or more create it removes wheel synergies
Dockside: treasures enter tapped feels the right way to fix it. I think any time more than 1 treasure should make tapped treasures. Smothering Tithe shouldnt trigger on your effects that make them draw. Make it not combo with wheels imo. Agree on the single white pip. Cyclonic should've been like 4-5 blue pips on the overload. Cause at 7 mana, 3 pips isn't hard. Deadbridge is the 'its expensive, so don't stop it'. Cheap things should be stoppable. Expensive things shouldnt.
Tarrasque is in my Jodah deck because it's a 9 CMC that can role into Atraxa. The issue is, again, it doesn't have Trample. Such a cool card ruined by 1 missing keyword.
I would change Dockside to be 3 or 4 mana. Also one card that bothered me was Alms Collector. The first time I read it sounded great and would be good white card draw until I actually played it. Wish it just drew you and extra card for each extra card instead 2.
I think at this point, there are enough legendary creatures that fuel themselves with more than two abilities, that they can design more pairs and trios comfortably (ala "partner with"). Like, having the commands that are one time effects do multiple things feels fair, but having permanents do it is kinda nutty. Honestly, I'd wish more card advantage commanders came with a "once per turn", tap ability, and/or an on-cast trigger, golos or chulane being primary offenders. ALSO the tarrasque is a godzilla reference, and was woefully underwhelming
Would it make a change? Since mana fixing is so good in commander it still feels playable in a 3 to 5 colors deck. If the tax was 1 it would be much fairier thought
@@fernandotanigushi8310 of course it will make a difference. You play 5 colors, and sit with a PtE or StP, and access to 2 plains. Now you can't play your value card and sit with interaction. How many times have people not sat on a counterspell that they can't use because 2 pips of blue.
In what world are you living where you dont have perfect mana for each deck? Triomes, fetchlands, shocklands, Vow Lands, ..... it's been years since i had problems with colors in my decks and I play 3+ colors decks. Yeah splashability is not an issue in 2022. You can run WWWW cards in 5 color decks and you will be able to cast it on turn 4. Dont forget all the fecthing through ramp spells and mana rocks. If you all think that adding colored pips to spells makes them harder to cast in this day and age, you all must be trippin or maybe you need to build better mana bases. Even using budget lands you should not have problems, since now we even get dual lands with types that enter tapped. So budget should not be an issue.
@@RyanS001 True, but I'm also not gonna devote my entire manabase to ensure I've got 3 white mana all the time I play to spare for a single card I may or may not have drawn, no matter how powerful it might be. Not all my land drops are going to produce white unless white is the primary color of my multicolor deck. The point is to make tithe less splashable practically and on curve. Also budget is always a factor. Probably not in your country but in mine, where even if you have a decent job that pays well, mtg as a hobby can be quite the wallet strainer.
@@RyanS001 in my pod we are okay with back to basics and blood moon. Your greedy mana base could get rekt. But yes color fixing is easy now, but you make it seem like you only need to cast 1 card. So 1 in my pod plays a lot of jodah, and the other plays scion of the ur dragon. Both have full fetch and shock and a bit more, they sure get their stuff ready easy, but every fifth game they need to make something happen to get the last color. Now imagine if they also had to try and get extra white pips for smothering tithe, or something similar. Suddenly it would be a maybe card instead of a must have card.
This certainly wasn't what I was expecting. I do frequently redesign cards in my head, but it's more about improving cards than about nerfing overpowered ones. And honestly the names are one of my biggest concerns. People speak of cards like "Dockside Extortionist" with passion, positive or negative, while cards like "Fireball" don't spark any excitement at all anymore. Often I wish they could have more than one card with the same name outside silver-bordered sets. Then they could keep redesigning Fireball once a decade, for example, and keep it as iconic as cards with stupid names like Snapcaster Mage.
As for Smothering Tide and other treasure token creating cards and effects: 1 treasure token = a Lotus petal. 3 treasure tokens = a Black Lotus. Needs to be said.
@@Naturessightsandsounds7040 You're not wrong. 3 tokens can be used separately or all at once AND different colors. Add to that that a ton of treasure token generators keep adding treasures and you might as well reprint Black Lotus and Moxes. Cough*hint*cough*PleaseWOTC*cough
I appreciate you looking out for cedh. But you’ve got the wrong idea. We absolutely cast and clone and bounce and replay and flicker the shit out of dockside. Every blue x deck runs at least a couple clones (phantasmal image, new Mockingbird, phyrexian metamorph, some go deeper) and they are primarily there for docksides. Some decks are looking to get that single use and win (adnauseum decks mostly) but you have entire archetypes built upon looping dockside. Korvold is a dockside reanimaton deck. Rograhk Thrassios is blinking snd bouncing for infinite mana. Bruse Thrass uses dockside loops (mainly winning with dockside emiel) to draw your deck. I don’t know if anything needs to be done about dockside for cedh? I think it helps w deck diversity. Cedh loses 1/3 of its viable strategies if dockside goes. I think that’s sad. Now BowMasters?? BowMasters is proof WOTC hates poor people. You used to be able to build a pretty good mono green deck for about $1k that would be viable in cEdh. Then they printed OBM. I think that’s the most toxic card in the cedh meta. Dockside adds diversity Orcs w Bows RUINED mono green and creature based stax decks.
I fear I have to challenge the Crash Through challenge! Specifically in Balmor decks that are running Birgi. Birgi is currently in 31% of decks, around the same amount as Crash Through, and with Birgi out, Crash Through becomes free to cast! This can be very important, especially when you're trying to go off super early or without a huge amount of mana outside of things like Birgi! In any spellslinger deck which runs Birgi, cantrips that only cost R become SO valuable, since each one also fuels the next, which is just beautiful when you're storming off. Obviously Cruise should also be run, because that card is insane, but don't undervalue the costing R instead of U!!
Demonic consultation add: If the card named is not in your library, you lose the game. I love the fair intended use of demonic consultation of high risk powerful tutor, but the thassa consult combo has soured an otherwise fun card.
Back in the day I really liked the design and artwork of the Minion of Tevesh Szat. Had it just not been so ridiculously overcosted. SEVEN mana - this poor guy has never seen any play anywhere. He doesn't even fly. I never could find a deck for him, not even in demon tribal.
@@Playingwithproxies No, because it's not about the colour of the card. It's the joke. You gave them a "generous gift" aka a white elephant! They completely ruined the flavour of the card!
Sun Titan, make it legendary. Boom Song of the Wordsoul is the card that I have taken out of decks the most. It's sooo cool but sooo expensive The worst part of Blade of Selves is that is so cheap and colorless. What it should be a nice equipment for aggro decks is just another combo piece for huge ETBs
31:50 I disagree heavily. Ive played a bunch of Atraxa Sagas and resourceful defense is aweful for it. Yes you get to keep counters, yes you get to trigger the last ability but where Sagas shine is NOT when you push them to get their last chapter fast but when they stick around longer than what they were intended for. You want to be DECREASING your lore counters on cards because usually your command zone with satsuki and atraxa takes care of getting more chapter abilities. The rest of the deck should focus on getting rid of Lore counters so you get to trigger your sagas over and over until you win. Overall resourceful defense is a waste of mana in any Saga deck because it goes against what you wanna be doing.
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Change "your opponents" to " target opponent" on dockside and it's fine
Yuriko’s commander ninjutsu ability should definitely have been mentioned, although I know Gavin Verhey already discussed his regret for not adding commander tax to that cost.
Yeah I watched that too. I understand Gavin's regret, but there is already a precendent to that "bypassing commander tax" with Derevi's ability (which is even easier to do so than Yuriko's commander ninjutsu).
Nevertheless, I think Yuriko's design (commander ninjutsu and its other ability) is already superb as it requires deck building restrictions to optimize its ability.
But for duel commander (1v1), it is just inch closer to be banned (as Derevi is banned in duel commander) once further good high CMC cards that could be easily and effectively utilized by Yuriko decks proliferate the MTG card pool.
That would just ruin the card. Completely.
@@Zookmottinoh no you have to pay the normal tax as if your commander cost 4 oh nooooooo
Dockside extortionist should have extort and "whenever this card extorts, create a treasure token"
It's right there in the name
A permanent that's nor black or white with extort would be cool, if a little bit weird
They could print Dockside extortionist extortionist and have that design
That’s not dockside that’s just a black card
My biggest "what I wish I could change" would be adding colors to format staples. I don't fundamentally have issues with Teferi's protection; there should be powerful cards. I think it'd be a perfect Azorious card. Heroic intervention, perfect Selesnya card. Smothering Tithe, Orzohv, or what Daina said and put more color pips. In general, I'd have the color weight of all cards be higher. By and large, I'd try to make super staples less staply by limiting the decks they're allowed in so they're seen less often.
I really like that idea in concept, but I think the biggest problem with this idea is that it basically completely obliterates mono-colored decks and boosts the power of 5 color decks even farther. After all, the only color combo that actually benefits from this change is 5 color, since all of the other combos are losing staples.
Op Agent should have been orzhov
@@danielsniff6405 Yeah, I agree. I'm just imagining another universe where the number of colored pips is a more utilized power axis of cards, where color heavy cards are the norm rather than the exception, and going 5-color would mean needing to pick objectively worse cards, or going suuuper heavy on color fixing, because the best cards are too mana specific.
Anyways, that would be a totally different game than the one in this time line.
@@AxillaryPower2 the problem with color intensive stuff is color fixing is so good now that in 3 colors or less i rarely get color screwed and the only time it stuck out was in a 5 color deck that i desperately needed green in. Hell my mardu lifegain deck i play stuff like true conviction. Unless we go like 4 or 5 color pips it can be remarkably easy to play whatever you want
To be fair to Smothering Tithe, it was pretty clearly a part of the effort to help shore up white’s weaknesses in commander. As such, making it Orzhov would probably be a bit beside the point.
Love that outro 🤣 I would have been disappointed without at least one bleep, and you didn't disappoint
Designing cards for a meta, two years in advance, blindly, without any knowledge of what's being released before or after makes problems. Some of these duds will one day give life to absolute bangers.
Questing Beast should be Mardu. 1RWB. Read its text:
Vigilance, deathtouch, haste
Questing Beast can’t be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
Combat damage that would be dealt by creatures you control can’t be prevented.
Whenever Questing Beast deals combat damage to an opponent, it deals that much damage to target planeswalker that player controls.
I definitely agree, but then how would Green continue to be dominant?
@@RedCometNurse I don't think that Questing Beast is a big contributor to green's superiority, frankly. It's a big word soup with some specific areas of usefulness, and that's really all it is.
The "cant' be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less." part is a green ability. I agree that it could have been multicolor but green should've still been one of those colors. I think ideally it should have been a different design altogether. A creature with 6 abilities with two of them being so situational they get forgotten is just a bad design.
Oh man I am just tuning into the episode and noticed I got the shout out haha thats awesome! Great pronunciation on my last name too, Hurrah! Love the content, keep it rolling!
I think another way to cut back on Dockside Extortionist power just a bit is make it non-token artifacts and enchantments that way the person who is casting it isn't able to capitalize on other people having lots of treasure.
I'm going to add eater of virtue, such a cool underpowered equipment.
Each should add a specific virtue counter when exiled so if its bounced or if you have multiple you aren't at a disadvantage.
Alternatively, when it leaves the field all cards exiled with it should go back to the graveyard.
It's so vulnerable and it takes legitimate effort to set up, I really wish they added either of those conditions.
Really fun to play.
Another solution would be to give it hexproof or indestructible (or ward - exile three creatures from your graveyard), just enough to make it more difficult to remove.
Matt... I felt the same way about Geode Golem. Thought it was sick.. but not so much. Glad I'm not the only one. Thx
Mark has talked about not using hybrid mana for commander, but you've made a strong case for more 2/x mana values
Don't forget the 4 Commanders that have Eminence. They can just sit in the Command Zone and can use their abilities.
It's really only a problem for 2 of those cards....
And honourary Oloro
That point about splashable spells, I really resonated with that one. This is what I would call elegant design - A small change, which doesn't really negatively impact the decks those cards were intended for but stops their overuse outside of those contexts.
Though, with the amount of treasure we have knocking about these days, I don't think that it would make as big a difference as one would wish. What we really need going forward is more treasure hate. There's a handful of cards that shut treasures down, but since they remain on the field it's pretty much a given that if you drop one of those hate cards it'll just get sniped by the player who wants access to his elventy treasures.
Snapcaster Mage should be red
HELL YEAH. RED IS MUCH MORE ALIGNED WITH CASTING INSTANTS AND SORCERIES FROM THE GRAVE THAN BLUE
I love snap caster and I play izzet so I’ve never had to think about that really but I agree
Yesssss and rhystic Study and remora should be white.
Sylvian Library feels like a black or blue card too
@@knightofsouls yeah, it feels both
Just came here from listening to the podcast version to say - Chase (or Joey), that bleep right at the end was fantastic- I take my hat off to you 😂
For tarasque i think it would be cool to do the Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle sleep effect. May it produce colorless mana and give it a proper coloridentity.
But as soon it wakes up, well then give me doom pleace!
“When the last sleep counter is removed, destroy all nonlegendary permanents. Then, each player searches their library and graveyard for five cards and exiles the rest, then puts their chosen cards on top of their library in any order.”
Very much brings about an end of the world feeling and puts each player on Doomsday. Also, it’s a “symmetrical but not really” board wipe because let’s be real, you’re not running many nonlegendary permanents.
The Tarrasque isn't an Eldrazi-level threat. It's more like a Godzilla-level threat-an unstoppable, unkillable kaiju that will crush anything in its path.
But… aren’t the eldrazi that?
Even that's a bit of a stretch. Compared to old school lore the modern Tarrasque that they likely used as the base for this design is just like this. All hype, but little threat. Not even close to being the strongest Stat block in official material anymore.
@@BladedCreed Eldrazi are otherwordly godlike beings that eat entire worlds while their true forms remain outside of said worlds.
@@duckemperorofgk2112 Yeah I know. That technically makes them a bigger threat than godzilla
If Dana hadn't brought up the point about Smothering Tithe being too splashable, I would have.
I see what you did there 🤣
If dockside’s treasures came in tapped it would be even more broken for the next player who makes a clone of it and the first player can’t sacrifice their treasures so the 2nd player gets even more treasures.
Changing the casting cost of Dockside can really knock it down. Make it so it doesn't really come up that mana positive. There have been times I've cast it and only got 3 or 4 treasures. So if it cost 2RR or RRR you're going to see less abuse. Also making it more mana restrictive so it can't be played in every deck that runs red. If it was RRR, I would not be running it in anything above 2 colors.
The nephalim from ravnica should have been legends. Their flavor text is stuff like "the earth itself is broken by its steps" "when it awoke the heavens screamed", they all have super interesting and some unique/powerful abilities, and in the books when they run into dune brood teysa calls it "the dune brood nephalim" implying it's the only one.
They are definitely lorewise legendaries.
Dockside having an etb is what makes it a cEDH staple. If you changed it to a cast trigger not only would that make it impossible to stop the player from getting treasures as now you can't even counter it, it would lose all its combos to generate infinite treasures that cEDH wants.
Don't get me wrong it's on the too powerful pls nerf side of cards but I think you guys misunderstood how/why it's used in cEDH. My recommendation to fix it would be increase it's Mana cost or make the treasures enter tapped
The issue isn't that dockside can be abused for infinite mana in 2 card combos, because we have more than you could ever imagine amounts of combos that do just this. This isn't the issue. The issue is artifacts are too strong and prevalent so Dockside always lands nicely on board to make enough mana for the caster to usually win a game if they have their combo pieces. If we had more common and well costed artifact hate in all colors there'd be less targets for Dockside to pop off. The only way you could make it weaker is putting a treasure cap of like 5 or something on it, or make it a 4 drop or something. It can still be abused but this way by itself is not so explosive.
Just realizing now that blinking Toothy is ridiculous. You blink Toothy, it leaves, but the blinks needs to finish before the leaves the battlefield trigger happens, which means Toothy is on the field for when it draws the cards off its own ability so it gets its counters back
I would like the text of Dennick, Pious Apparition was: Whenever one or more creature cards are put into graveyards from anywhere, investigate. (just that, without the restriction "This ability triggers only once each turn.")
"March of the Machine" + sacrifice ability = infinite sacrifice, ETB and LTB
:D
Balmor is so awesome.
I agree with Matt about Crash through but, if you're running Gale in the deck, it's a sorcery to recast when you cast an instant. I think that might be one reason it's showing up in lists.
On the subject of Crash Through: the fact that it's a red cantrip that doesn't target actually gives it some extra utility. It's easier to make Red mana than Blue - Birgi and the assorted rituals are super obvious examples. But most red cantrips target which means sometimes you get two for oned when they snipe your Balmor or Veyran or whatever when you Crimson Wisps it. You 'lose' the trample sure but you aren't realistically playing the card for the trample.
It's one of those cards that seems good at level zero but then bad at level one but at level two it's awesome again, because the three most important things on the card are not trample.
It should've been Dockside Extortion, a sorcery for the same mana cost. it's much harder to loop/abuse a sorcery. not impossible, just not laughably easy.
Regarding the tweaking of color pips not being enough and the lack of reasons to play monocolor, I propose this: imagine you had a say, white card that reads "this spell costs W more to cast for each color in your commander's color identity other than white"
That way players cannot just put more duals to circumvent costs, they also have to lose tempo if they want to play the thing in multicolor, to the point the card is just too overcosted in 4 or 5 colors. It is also a scalable drawback, 2 colors can play it more easily than 5, and more importantly monocolor has the best version of the card.
Watcha think?
I like that, but it does add a lot of text to the card, which is a real cost. That is not saying it is a bad idea, just that it would have to be used selectively.
@@JDP5127 Agreed, it's a lot of text. But I pictured it being used selectively as you said, on some powerful sorceries and instants with simpler effects, and not as a regular mechanic.
Great suggestion! A great way to implement this would be to keyword that ability, so you could then cut the reminder text from the card when more space is required. For example:
Tithe {W} (This cards costs {W} more to cast for each colour in your commanders colour identity)
I think this effect is genius, and something wizards should have thought of years ago. I suppose it is specific to commander though
@@samuelrobinson4638 Glad you like it! Your solution of keywording it is quite good, it wouldn't solve the wall of text on the first printings of the mechanic because it'd need reminder text anyway, but in the long run as it gets more recognized it would be a great solution. Even giving the ability for r&d to alter the "tithe" cost to more mana or even things like life.
@@PraetorGix I think keywording it is the way to go for sure, as it can be easily tweaked a reused in the future. With correct wording, you could make it function in a tonne of different ways to create some really unique feeling cards
Skullbriar got a huge help with the rules change. I love my Skullbriar deck. He's very hard to deal with.
Skullbriar is a beast til everyone knows how to deal with him. When he costs 8 to cast on turn 6 and he only has 3 counters on him, because ur playgroup understands his power is in his haste and cmc, then you start to realise he's a very linear commander.
@@brendans1983 I've been puzzling over my skullbriar deck for years for this very reason.
Do i cut some of the splashy cards for just simple protection/reanimation effects? Or keep the splashy cards since skullbriar will cost too much mana eventually?
The main thing I would like to contribute to this is: Dana, you really REALLY do not need to worry about cEDH when you're talking about changes to the format. cEDH isn't a set of cards. It's a mindset, it's a way of playing. Whatever the card pool is, the cEDH agreement is 'Sit down, play to win, use whatever cards get you there.' If a card is changed/banned that doesn't affect the communities ethos.
Cloudstone & Dockside is a common combo in cEDH, Dockside + Sabertooth is a relatively common combo in cEDH and the entire format plays Phantasmal Image mainly because Dockside exists. Breach lines are often fueled with sacrificing and recasting the Dockside, too. I think changing it to a cast trigger would weaken it, but I don't think it'd matter in the grand scheme of things in cEDH.
On a similar vein to how the Ikoria free spells should cast more without the Commander, why on Earth does Boseiju only cost 1G, before the cost reduction?
Imagine if they removed the cost reduction ability and instead had them enter tapped unless you control a legendary creature or planeswalker.
Tarrasque + Mimeoplasm is pretty nifty since using it as the base for mimeo makes the cast clause work
I think for dockside: you could add the sentence exil if it leaves the battlefield. Stil it would be Broken.
Remove enchantment part from dockside. Make it a 4 mana cost and tapped treausres. Boom. Still strong. Way more casual friendly.
Just make it artifacts target opponent controls no mana change no tapped treasures.
@@Playingwithproxies target opponent can sac treasures in response and dockside yields zero treasures unless they got mana rocks or other artifacts. Would make it pretty dog shit.
@@jessesandburg it wouldn’t be dog shit but it wouldn’t be anything like it is. You could easily net 1-3 mana but you can hold that mana for a turn and get a big boost.
Generally: more pips for staples would help indeed, I have tons of decks and this would be a factor in 5-color decks when it comes to let's say Smothering Tithe, if it would have 3 white pips I wouldn't include it in some decks that have them yet. Also regarding Dockside, red is most of the time a color which is the least present in multicolor decks, so giving him like 2 pips would make a difference indeed I'd say.
The freecast cycle from Ikoria:
Make it cost 1 mana and only castable when you have a commander out would fix it, in that case you could even give it cycling in case it is dead I think and it would fit since Ikoria has the cycling mechanic.
Dockside Extortionist:
Additionally to tapped treasures, target opponent instead of each, making more answers (like giving a player hexproof) valid against Dockside as well as tame him down. If that's still too powerful you could choose artifact or enchantment when it enters and generate the treasures just regarding one of the types, not both, but I think those 2 changes would be enough.
And yes, Dockside was always a problem, it was from the very beginning a pushed stupid card and people slept on it and I frankly don't know why it took my 25 copies to skyrocket in price as I purchased them for a price which most people wish they could buy him now. I just didn't stockpiled more of them because I was afraid of reprints and was naive enough to think they would be so nice to reprint him in Commander Legends. Silly me, the greed assessment was off..
Great challenge regarding Spoils of Evil in mill-decks, I have included it some time ago since I also believe it is very good in that type of decks and it has not let me down yet.
Alms Collector and Song of the Worldsoul are not as bad as you think I'd say, they are just way more niche. Alms Collector for example is a balanced wheel card and Song of the Worldsoul should just be played if you have some ridiculous tokens like the 10/10 Eldrazi ones or Godsire tokens etc.
However, Cartographer's Hawk, Tempt with Glory and the Seraphic Greatsword are indeed mindboggingly bad
On that note of white cards being nerfed for some reason, I've never understood why Scion of Vitu-Ghazi had "if you cast it from your hand." I don't think a card that populates when you blink it would be busted.
The problem is if you make a token copy of it you don't want it to be able to infinitely populate itself.
I mostly would want to color shift cards to what makes better sense. An example that Joey would resonate with - make Ezuri Claw of Progress white!
No
Dockside should be cast trigger, but temur sabertooth fixes that, but still it's better than ETB and Smothering tithe should say "When ever a player draws a card except for the first one they draw that turn, create a treasure". Then you needed extra hoops to jump through to make sure you got a treasure, like Howling mine, which draws everyone 2 cards a turn.
[Monologue Tax] works great with cards like [Possibility Storm], [Hive Mind], [Sunbird's Evocation], [Knowledge Pool], anything than Cascades, or the like.
my fix for dockside would be target opponent instead of each. i think it should be a way to punish greedy players that play a bunch of rocks
As someone who has a 4 color deck that can consistently cast 2 different ultimatums on curve, color pips aren't as restrictive as people think.
Also cloudstone curio is already a $40 card
Also people are complaining about bootleggers stash when the card is so niche--its only good in token or treasure decks because it is not a very powerful effect for 6 mana. I said this during spoiler season, pulled one and unloaded it for $28 and now its under $8. Severely misevaluated.
I would like to see a 1 mana artifact that says "artifact tokens enter the battlefield tapped" and more stifle effects in colors other than blue.
Agreed with a lot of this. There needs to be more incentive with playing mono-colored decks. I find that the best and most efficient ramp in the game can only be run in multi-color decks. There need to be more reasons to play mono-colored commanders. For example, talismans and signets that can only be used to cast artifact or mono colored spells.
Speaking of this, we did recently see a bit of support that functions best in mono or low colour decks, in the theme of "three or more lands that share a name". Naturally that's easiest to hit in mono colour decks, and more things which reward that provide rewards which benefit mono colour or two colour decks far more than bigger multicolour decks!! Also encourages more basics, which is always delightful.
I think monologue tax could be fixed if it triggered off any player's second spell. It would allow you to trigger it yourself, maybe a flavor fail though.
Maybe a "create a Treasure token for each other spell that player has cast this turn" would be appropriate
Y’all: you can’t interact with these permanents that trigger when they leave the battlefield
Oko: *laughs in banned in constructed formats*
Matt saying " and make it (cloudstone curio) a $25 card too" made me giggle. That one has been $60+ for a while now and I'm so glad I got one for my Animar deck when it was about $5 12 years ago
as a sythis player myself I kinda do agree with what you said about card draw. Between Sythis and the other enchantresses in my deck I can draw 10 or more cards per turn and it's not super healthy
You can take away my extra card draws when you pry them from my cold, dead hands. And there will be a lot of them to pry, on account of all the enchantments I've been casting.
The "free if commander" spells should just have cost 1 mana instead of 0 if you have your commander.
Or 2 colorless less
White cards are annoying because when they finally make good ones they are instantly expensive because the density of playables is still too low.
Maro said it himself: players are great at pointing out problems but terrible at pointing out solutions.
Which is why we spent time brainstorming possible solutions...
Good point. Mizzium Mortars has a fair overload cost at least. Dockside should have 'target opponent' to make it fair.
dockside extortionist: create a treasure for each opponent with an artifact in play.
or make the treasures enter tapped.
8:30 Fixed DOckside Extorsionist: 1RR of casting cost, ETB trigger only if casted and counting artifacts only. That would be ok
my picks:
-) Herald of War. An angel reducing costs of Angel and Human spell? Nice! But not in a 3WW angel AND after attacking (she counts the +1/+1 counters on her) ... her cost reduction is unachiavable! Make her a 2/3 for WWW and maybe with also Battle Cry, she then would be ok
-) Steel overseer: give him a "w: Target artifact creature gain haste until end of turn", so he's still useful
-) Angel of Condemnation: both her "2W, tap" abilities are a bit overcosted to actually be used in mono-white or selesnya angels deck: a "WW, T" would be more fitting to me
-) Kazandu Tuskcaller / Echo Mage / Brimstone Mage : halve the Level Up cost! It would be enough, I guess. And/or a trigger effect giving them a level counter
-) Defiler of Vigor: lower it to 5/5, which is enough stat, and give the +1/+1 counter to just ONE single creature
-) Defiler of Faith: White is so bad at ramping that ramping with a 5 mana valued creature is .. almost useless: Make it a 3/4 for 2WW and it's ok
Tempting Contract is another card that does nothing as written. If they worded it this way it might do something: "At the beginning of each player's first main phase, that player may create a Treasure token. If an opponent does, you create a Treasure token."
if dockside was izzet or rakdos? especially rakdos would make so much sense.
Dockside was busted last year before the treasure support honestly.
Mine is incredibly niche, but I really wish there was a rules tplating that allowed Licids to work with Mairsil, the Pretender. Especially Dominating Licid.
Balance idea for dockside: Instead of
ETB: make the treasures
It instead had:
Haste
Tap and Exile Dockside Extortionist: Make the treasures.
That way, it's still great for CEDH in terms of quick value, but doesn't break casual formats.
Then again at that point you might as well just turn dockside into a sorcery, so I dunno lol
Not a bad idea and while your point about the sorcery is valid to some extent, don't forget the set it was designed for had a pirate creatures theme etc so it made sense to throw this on a relevant creature body. I definitely think this should've been something similar to what you wrote because having to wait a whole turn and then tap and exile is a fairly hefty cost for a power effect. It gives the table a turn to get rid of it etc. plus you can't just blink it etc. Easy way to fix it for sure.
I think rather than treasures it should just add red mana to your pool. It still keeps its explosive value, and hoses other treasure decks, but limits it to immediate use of the mana.
@@JDP5127 Good suggestion as well, though less flavorful (treasure and pirates going hand in hand) for what that is worth.
@@Doombot2point0 True. I had forgotten about the treasure theme in the set it came from, and I don't actually see it often in my playgroup as we are lower budget.
That out outro was gold
Anything that mills half your library should say "shuffle" first so you can deal it into 2 piles to save time. Otherwise you have to count the cards twice (first to find out how many there are and a second time for the mill)
Scrambleverse would waste much less time if instead of picking a random player each time it just shuffled all permanents and went in turn order
The wall deck needs all the help it can get so I think it getting a card for every defender put in play isn't bad.
To "fix" dockside, limit it to one treasure per opponent with art/ench. That would be way more fair.
healing salve should have been Hero's Return, "Return up to three land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield."
1:00:35 :D
Ahahah, comedic beeps are my favourite
Aura shards must target an enchantment or artifact.
Great henge be a simic card.
As someone who plays Balmor in a Narset list, the crash through take is just wrong. I play in a VERY high powered pod, and the results when casting crash through and getting to keep chaining cantrips together + getting trample to go wide, is insane.
I'm wondering if some of these treasure cards would be more balanced if they not only had their treasures that they create enter the battlefield tapped, but if they said something along the lines of "all of your treasures enter the battlefield tapped?"
For me for hulbreacher it should have been when your opponents draw one or more instead they draw one and you create a treasure
Same for smothering tithe
When an opponent draws one or more create it removes wheel synergies
In defense of the Tarrasque, the Ward doesn't end at EoT, so it gets permanent pseudo-Hexproof.
Dockside: treasures enter tapped feels the right way to fix it.
I think any time more than 1 treasure should make tapped treasures.
Smothering Tithe shouldnt trigger on your effects that make them draw. Make it not combo with wheels imo. Agree on the single white pip.
Cyclonic should've been like 4-5 blue pips on the overload. Cause at 7 mana, 3 pips isn't hard.
Deadbridge is the 'its expensive, so don't stop it'. Cheap things should be stoppable. Expensive things shouldnt.
That beep at the end! Lol
Tarrasque is in my Jodah deck because it's a 9 CMC that can role into Atraxa. The issue is, again, it doesn't have Trample.
Such a cool card ruined by 1 missing keyword.
The bleep was magistral
To be fair to Cyclonic Rift, it was printed before the Commander format really gained traction.
I would change Dockside to be 3 or 4 mana. Also one card that bothered me was Alms Collector. The first time I read it sounded great and would be good white card draw until I actually played it. Wish it just drew you and extra card for each extra card instead 2.
I think at this point, there are enough legendary creatures that fuel themselves with more than two abilities, that they can design more pairs and trios comfortably (ala "partner with"). Like, having the commands that are one time effects do multiple things feels fair, but having permanents do it is kinda nutty.
Honestly, I'd wish more card advantage commanders came with a "once per turn", tap ability, and/or an on-cast trigger, golos or chulane being primary offenders.
ALSO the tarrasque is a godzilla reference, and was woefully underwhelming
Card I wish I could change: Id like Smothering Tithe to be something like 1WWW, at very least 2WW
Edit: Dana said it 👍
Would it make a change? Since mana fixing is so good in commander it still feels playable in a 3 to 5 colors deck. If the tax was 1 it would be much fairier thought
@@fernandotanigushi8310 of course it will make a difference. You play 5 colors, and sit with a PtE or StP, and access to 2 plains. Now you can't play your value card and sit with interaction. How many times have people not sat on a counterspell that they can't use because 2 pips of blue.
In what world are you living where you dont have perfect mana for each deck? Triomes, fetchlands, shocklands, Vow Lands, ..... it's been years since i had problems with colors in my decks and I play 3+ colors decks. Yeah splashability is not an issue in 2022. You can run WWWW cards in 5 color decks and you will be able to cast it on turn 4. Dont forget all the fecthing through ramp spells and mana rocks. If you all think that adding colored pips to spells makes them harder to cast in this day and age, you all must be trippin or maybe you need to build better mana bases. Even using budget lands you should not have problems, since now we even get dual lands with types that enter tapped. So budget should not be an issue.
@@RyanS001 True, but I'm also not gonna devote my entire manabase to ensure I've got 3 white mana all the time I play to spare for a single card I may or may not have drawn, no matter how powerful it might be. Not all my land drops are going to produce white unless white is the primary color of my multicolor deck. The point is to make tithe less splashable practically and on curve.
Also budget is always a factor. Probably not in your country but in mine, where even if you have a decent job that pays well, mtg as a hobby can be quite the wallet strainer.
@@RyanS001 in my pod we are okay with back to basics and blood moon. Your greedy mana base could get rekt.
But yes color fixing is easy now, but you make it seem like you only need to cast 1 card.
So 1 in my pod plays a lot of jodah, and the other plays scion of the ur dragon. Both have full fetch and shock and a bit more, they sure get their stuff ready easy, but every fifth game they need to make something happen to get the last color.
Now imagine if they also had to try and get extra white pips for smothering tithe, or something similar. Suddenly it would be a maybe card instead of a must have card.
This certainly wasn't what I was expecting. I do frequently redesign cards in my head, but it's more about improving cards than about nerfing overpowered ones. And honestly the names are one of my biggest concerns. People speak of cards like "Dockside Extortionist" with passion, positive or negative, while cards like "Fireball" don't spark any excitement at all anymore. Often I wish they could have more than one card with the same name outside silver-bordered sets. Then they could keep redesigning Fireball once a decade, for example, and keep it as iconic as cards with stupid names like Snapcaster Mage.
As for Smothering Tide and other treasure token creating cards and effects:
1 treasure token = a Lotus petal. 3 treasure tokens = a Black Lotus.
Needs to be said.
*3 treasure tokens, a modular, more color and mana-flexible black lotus that also helps towards artifact count and sacrifice synergies
3 treasure tokens is way better than black lotus unless your recurring it over and over again.
but you paid 4 mana to make a black lotus which isn't the same thing.
@@Gweezy12 Would you seriously be sad you got a Black Lotus for free with a 4 to
cast card?
@@Naturessightsandsounds7040 You're not wrong. 3 tokens can be used separately or all at once AND different colors. Add to that that a ton of treasure token generators keep adding treasures and you might as well reprint Black Lotus and Moxes. Cough*hint*cough*PleaseWOTC*cough
Give dockside shroud was my solution.
I appreciate you looking out for cedh. But you’ve got the wrong idea.
We absolutely cast and clone and bounce and replay and flicker the shit out of dockside.
Every blue x deck runs at least a couple clones (phantasmal image, new Mockingbird, phyrexian metamorph, some go deeper) and they are primarily there for docksides.
Some decks are looking to get that single use and win (adnauseum decks mostly) but you have entire archetypes built upon looping dockside.
Korvold is a dockside reanimaton deck.
Rograhk Thrassios is blinking snd bouncing for infinite mana.
Bruse Thrass uses dockside loops (mainly winning with dockside emiel) to draw your deck.
I don’t know if anything needs to be done about dockside for cedh? I think it helps w deck diversity. Cedh loses 1/3 of its viable strategies if dockside goes. I think that’s sad.
Now BowMasters??
BowMasters is proof WOTC hates poor people.
You used to be able to build a pretty good mono green deck for about $1k that would be viable in cEdh. Then they printed OBM. I think that’s the most toxic card in the cedh meta.
Dockside adds diversity
Orcs w Bows RUINED mono green and creature based stax decks.
If you put more than one Lore counter on a Saga that's at one, do you get the second chapter trigger?
Yes, covered in 715.2b.
Spoils of Evil could be good in my Toshiro deck... killing stuff left and right could bring a lot of mana with it
I fear I have to challenge the Crash Through challenge! Specifically in Balmor decks that are running Birgi. Birgi is currently in 31% of decks, around the same amount as Crash Through, and with Birgi out, Crash Through becomes free to cast! This can be very important, especially when you're trying to go off super early or without a huge amount of mana outside of things like Birgi! In any spellslinger deck which runs Birgi, cantrips that only cost R become SO valuable, since each one also fuels the next, which is just beautiful when you're storming off. Obviously Cruise should also be run, because that card is insane, but don't undervalue the costing R instead of U!!
There are thousands of cards that I wish I could remove one or two generic mana from the casting cost to make playable.
Demonic consultation add: If the card named is not in your library, you lose the game. I love the fair intended use of demonic consultation of high risk powerful tutor, but the thassa consult combo has soured an otherwise fun card.
Myriad can be better by when you become 1v1 then you create a copy for attacking def player. But only when you become 1v1 it triggers this way
Back in the day I really liked the design and artwork of the Minion of Tevesh Szat. Had it just not been so ridiculously overcosted. SEVEN mana - this poor guy has never seen any play anywhere. He doesn't even fly. I never could find a deck for him, not even in demon tribal.
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Sonf of the Worldsoul could be WW and I wouldn't be too worried about it. Jesus what is that card?
Brion Stoutarm, I want him to have Blue in him, all the thieving Blue effects for fling on a stick
Meeting of the Five definitely could use a little or a lot of tinkering.
The artwork is 10/10 tho 🤣
Generous Gift should make White Elephant tokens and not Green ones!
Then rapid hybridization should make a blue lizard not a green one
@@Playingwithproxies No, because it's not about the colour of the card. It's the joke. You gave them a "generous gift" aka a white elephant! They completely ruined the flavour of the card!
Treasures should come into play tapped in general.
Wish Ink-Treader Nephilim was legendary. Yes, the deck would be a war crime. That's the idea.
Sun Titan, make it legendary. Boom
Song of the Wordsoul is the card that I have taken out of decks the most. It's sooo cool but sooo expensive
The worst part of Blade of Selves is that is so cheap and colorless. What it should be a nice equipment for aggro decks is just another combo piece for huge ETBs
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Except actually entertaining
31:50 I disagree heavily. Ive played a bunch of Atraxa Sagas and resourceful defense is aweful for it. Yes you get to keep counters, yes you get to trigger the last ability but where Sagas shine is NOT when you push them to get their last chapter fast but when they stick around longer than what they were intended for. You want to be DECREASING your lore counters on cards because usually your command zone with satsuki and atraxa takes care of getting more chapter abilities. The rest of the deck should focus on getting rid of Lore counters so you get to trigger your sagas over and over until you win. Overall resourceful defense is a waste of mana in any Saga deck because it goes against what you wanna be doing.