This was really hard to call. What world does this card crush? The one where Druid gets nerfed out of total dominance (hard call to make lell) after completely destroying ladder for a month, and then the whole game becomes centered around Razakus, which gets a side-buff from the Druid nerf, and Tempo decks that high roll because it’s their only way to win. Back before the Quest Rogue nerf the whole game was built around aggro that counters Quest that is countered by certain control. Now the game is built around high roll decks (Raza and Shadowreaper for Priest, Keleseth for everyone else)
This does nothing to change the fact that Regis Killbin is a dipshit, for a) thinking this was geared more towards midrange than aggro/tempo (I don't understand the reasoning behind this at all), and b) thinking shaman would cut jade claws or flametongue for this guy. Jade claws especially. I'm not sure why anyone pays attention to him to begin with.
how do you not follow the logic that it is better in aggro/midrange? Those decks have a lot of low cost minions to dump to use the +1/+1 multiple times early in the game, and almost always use patches.
some of these cards i don't get what people are thinking underrating them, cards like bonemare i think were just easy to see and still they underrated it. this one though there's no way you could predict how good it was. never had a minion based deck not use 2 drops.
Note: the card has seen close to no play at all pre-nerf. Keep in mind that when streamers talk about the value of a card, they don't consider the card itself, they consider the meta. in that matter, they weren't too wrong. The card wasn't played before the neef. It saw a boost in popularity after the nerf because it allowed other decks than jade and stuff to rise. Don't get me wronf though, they do say stupid stuff. A lot of stupid stuff. Bht considering the meta, the card wasn't good enough at the time they reviewed it. That's the problem with most predictions anyway, they often fail to predict how the meta is gonna be defined and it's indeed difficult to know how it's gonna be shaped. Also keep in mind that keleseth is mostly broken by rogue and the shadowsteps; very good for zoo warlock (and current decks with spiteful synergy, but it's an expansion later)
Problem with these hearthstone streamers is that they literally don't know shit about their own game they constantly play. They are regarded as pros but always wrong
Easy name to pronounce that's besides the point. Magic pros evaluate cards and they rarely miss the mark on what makes a card good. Hearthstone has too much rng to evaluate decks effectively
before drood and fiery war axe nerf keleseth was indeed just a meme. It's not only rng, the game is so hard to predict because of the consistence of certain mechanics, the fact that the deck has only 30 cards (and without actually putting any mana which is guaranteed) makes so goddamn hard to predict how a certain card played in a certain moment affects the board without knowing beforehand what may happen in that specific moment on the opponent's board. The game has a certain degree of depth, it doesn't seem so only because after a certain number of games the greatest powerplay are discovered and everyone starts using them.
Some of those streamers however managed to call the bullshit cards of other expansions, such as Patches and STB before the expansion came out. I don't think *anyone* thought this card was gonna be good.
What I learned, never watch Amaz give card reviews lol
Amaz has like no idea of Constructed.
I love Amaz, but sometimes he is very mistaken.
elbe00 i cant stand amaz personality, super annoying
@@lukagoblinmode he is
"really good in quest rogues"
Because there aren't any important bounce mechanics at 2.
and the +1/+1 Buff definitely applies after the 5/5 buff
Amaz is a terrible player outside of arena
"Unplayable"... "0 stars"... Defines 2 tier 1 deks.
I love your vids.
I was actually looking for something like this on youtube for quite a while.
Thanks, I am so happy! )
Man Regis is almost always spot on. Very nice.
and Thijs
He said patches was a bad card. Not always.
How so? He rated it a 3 star card?
This was really hard to call. What world does this card crush? The one where Druid gets nerfed out of total dominance (hard call to make lell) after completely destroying ladder for a month, and then the whole game becomes centered around Razakus, which gets a side-buff from the Druid nerf, and Tempo decks that high roll because it’s their only way to win. Back before the Quest Rogue nerf the whole game was built around aggro that counters Quest that is countered by certain control. Now the game is built around high roll decks (Raza and Shadowreaper for Priest, Keleseth for everyone else)
This does nothing to change the fact that Regis Killbin is a dipshit, for a) thinking this was geared more towards midrange than aggro/tempo (I don't understand the reasoning behind this at all), and b) thinking shaman would cut jade claws or flametongue for this guy. Jade claws especially. I'm not sure why anyone pays attention to him to begin with.
how do you not follow the logic that it is better in aggro/midrange? Those decks have a lot of low cost minions to dump to use the +1/+1 multiple times early in the game, and almost always use patches.
The card became broken just because of PATCHES and SOUTHSEA CAPTAIN. Not only Tempo Rogue, but pratically, EVERY CLASS was running this trio.
Ruining druid was good riddance
some of these cards i don't get what people are thinking underrating them, cards like bonemare i think were just easy to see and still they underrated it. this one though there's no way you could predict how good it was. never had a minion based deck not use 2 drops.
What I learned, never watch any streamer give card reviews, just wait for the tier list...
Yay Regis killbin
Yeah, you don’t play 2-drops.... equals a deck full of 1-drops....? Riiiiiiight
Patches turn 3, 4/4, "kaleseth is garbage they did". lol, all agro decks have him.
Oh boy were they wrong
Note: the card has seen close to no play at all pre-nerf. Keep in mind that when streamers talk about the value of a card, they don't consider the card itself, they consider the meta.
in that matter, they weren't too wrong. The card wasn't played before the neef. It saw a boost in popularity after the nerf because it allowed other decks than jade and stuff to rise.
Don't get me wronf though, they do say stupid stuff. A lot of stupid stuff. Bht considering the meta, the card wasn't good enough at the time they reviewed it.
That's the problem with most predictions anyway, they often fail to predict how the meta is gonna be defined and it's indeed difficult to know how it's gonna be shaped.
Also keep in mind that keleseth is mostly broken by rogue and the shadowsteps; very good for zoo warlock (and current decks with spiteful synergy, but it's an expansion later)
"Cripparian"
I actually had this during the early days of the expansion... thought it was garbage and disenchant it fml.....
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Tip for the future. Wait for the meta to settle down before dusting any card.
@@k9commander I second that. You should never ever ever ever dust any card for a good month or so until the meta has sort been figured out.
I am having fun with him on my tempo priest xD
Loll now keleseth is everywhere and super good
No power of the wild in token Druid? Seems tough
Keleseth power of the wilds your deck dammit
Hum hum. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Card reviews just goes to show the lack of foresight all of these steamers have. I don't think anyone has been accurate on their ratings.
xd
They are so clueless about hearthstone
Problem with these hearthstone streamers is that they literally don't know shit about their own game they constantly play. They are regarded as pros but always wrong
Clayton Harring They made their evaluation based on existing decks at the time. Keleseth decks weren't good until week 3 of the expansion
Easy name to pronounce that's besides the point. Magic pros evaluate cards and they rarely miss the mark on what makes a card good. Hearthstone has too much rng to evaluate decks effectively
before drood and fiery war axe nerf keleseth was indeed just a meme. It's not only rng, the game is so hard to predict because of the consistence of certain mechanics, the fact that the deck has only 30 cards (and without actually putting any mana which is guaranteed) makes so goddamn hard to predict how a certain card played in a certain moment affects the board without knowing beforehand what may happen in that specific moment on the opponent's board. The game has a certain degree of depth, it doesn't seem so only because after a certain number of games the greatest powerplay are discovered and everyone starts using them.
Some of those streamers however managed to call the bullshit cards of other expansions, such as Patches and STB before the expansion came out. I don't think *anyone* thought this card was gonna be good.
they are right. Keleseth is a shit card. You only win if you draw it on 2.
not really xd
Lock doesn't need to draw it as well. The guy has 0 idea what he's talking about
If it’s a card that wins u the game that means it’s a really good card
Rob The Quick zoolock and rogue go crazy with this card
tbh if u can win easily without drawing this card then it’s not this card that is defining those tier1 decks