YES!!! May the HEAVY RAINS over Ukrainian land and sea continue to TOTALLY DISRUPT ALL military operations. (RAINS expected to continue throughout next week.)
moskva was not sunk, it is now a special snake island memorial reef and crab hotel. saying the word sunk and moskova together can get you 15 years in jail for fake news.
The word is 'Rasputitsa', which describes the situation in that part of the world when the ground thaws and basically becomes metres of liquid mud. This is why the Russians have been road bound. They really invaded in the wrong season.
As an American who was born in Odessa this prognosis makes me shiver. I love Odessa with all my heart and I don’t want to see it turned into rubble. City center looks a bit like Paris as it was built by European architects employed by Catherine. The opera house alone is a marvel of architecture
Unfortunately with the "new" guy in that has a reputation for carpet bombing large swathes of land I would not be surprised if that happens here as well...
As someone from the US, that man was spot on. Great interview! I always love hearing military leadership that won't make the mistake of indulging speculation or relying on assumptions!
Speculation is an absolute necessity to be prepared for the next battle. Without it, you can only ever prepare for the last battle, and if you face an enemy with imagination and speculation (about what you will do), you will be destroyed by an embarrassing margin.
I absolutely agree, but he needs better Opsec. The notification chime from his computer reveals what operating system is running. That can be important information in the wrong hands.
You mean the part where he said that munitions exploding inside a ship, evacuating the crew, then towing it into a storm with no power and no crew, couldn’t possibly sink a ship. That makes perfect sense. Let’s go back and prosecute all the ship captains that said their ship sunk in a storm after losing power, because that makes no sense. Let’s prosecute all the warship captains who lost a ship after they made the nonsensical claim that their own munitions exploded and sank the ship, since that can’t happen either. Making perfect sense. Now, if he would have said they were lying because they always lie, I would agree he makes sense, because they always lie.
@@mythos5809 Putin supporters say war crimes are perfectly acceptable. They are all our fault. Zelenskyy should surrender, so Putin can commit genocide in peace. Russia is the real victim here, and they have a right to commit war crimes because NATO is forcing Russia to do this... It's America's fault too... America and the western media need to be prosecuted for the Bucha crimes. This proves Putin's retreat is strategically brilliant, everything is going according to plan. All the armor destroyed is Ukrainian, anybody can paint a Z on and make it look Russian. Putin is going to send in his real army now and punish Ukraine and it's NATO's fault when Putin attacks Ukraine. Putin still has speedo missiles and he can flatten any city he wants. The west should be scared of Putin's speedo missiles flattening their cities like Ukraine. Russia hates the world and it's all the world's fault. If you don't support Putin, you die, and you deserve that. -- I am getting the propaganda message.
@@mythos5809 Not possible even then. Just about everything Russia says is a lie whereas The West just don't do that with everything. I'm not saying they never lie, just nowhere even close to the way Russia does.
Not the much clever ship sink if get damage they lose air only take long to sink more then an hour Plus a didn’t like his confidence about Russia will take Mariupol Give no credit to Ukraine soldiers after what they achieved so far keep Russia soldiers back I do not like this old man
@@brandstyle3639 the Ukranian soldiers have done amazingly well, it's still doing amazingly well but if you run out of fuel, food and ammunition you have to surrender at some point.
Tom Riley no i do not agree Russia too can run out of fuel and food and surrender in some point Ukraine been receive lot weapons and help such aid medications cloth food everything they need to survive When think get more tough Others country will step In
Speaking as a retired US Navy veteran he is correct its hard to believe the Moskva sunk. Modern ships are highly compartmented and have pretty good damage control capability. However, ships require constant maintenance to maintain this water tight integrity and the crew requires constant training and practice to be able to perform damage control in emergency situations. Ordnance requires special training and storage on these vessels. Given the poor performance and state of disrepair of a lot of the Russian stuff we have seen so far in this war …. it would not surprise me at all that what could have been a controllable situation quickly spiraled into events that sunk that ship. Of course nobody will ever really know the truth because …. we’re dealing with Russia.
That Russian supply ship that exploded and sank dockside at Berdyans'k - some people have suggested that it was not struck by any missile but suffered an uncontained fire onboard that touched off munitions. Suggested by the fact that no videos or photos available show an initial blast, but indicate a gradual billowing of smoke increasing in intensity until the munitions began cooking off.
Another USN veteran who had gone on board a visiting Russian warship years ago said on TH-cam that he was amazed by its LACK of watertight compartmentation and poor state of repair. Maybe the Russian Navy is as badly set up as the Army. This should be reassuring for the rest of the world. It also means that it's not pointless to be prepared to resist a Russian invasion, even for the small countries on its borders. China has a similar corporate state or kleptocracy to Russia's: its neighbours must be taking note too.
@@faithlesshound5621 I'm an irish electrician and I've seen some of the Chinese light switches if there ships are made in the same manner there definitely will be problems
If it was just a fire...or a wayward piece of ammo...why did RUSSIA move the other ships 85 miles further out to sea? That alone should tell you something.
In their defense, they would have to move their ships even if it was an accident as the Moskva was the main air defense for the Black Sea fleet. If they kept their ships close to shore then They would be wide open to aerial strikes without the Moskva. The real reason they’re claiming it’s an accident though is that they won’t have to pay the families of the dead if it was an accident.
There is nothing to talk about. The Russians hit the missile factory last night that produced the cruise missiles that struck the Moskva. Congratulations to the Ukrainians for being so patient and waiting for the right moment, but not letting the Russians know they had this capability all along.
@Goseth Jones Nuclear weapons do not detonate "spontaneously". The sailing Orcs probably got their slide rules or Sinclair spectrums out and worked out the maximum range of the mostly missiles (Neptunes?) and moved back?
Yes, it seems that they are very considerate and caring people. (Don't let yourself be misled by my name. That's a play on words since the German verbs siegen (to be victorious) and siechen (to waste away) do sound pretty similar in certain dialects.) The Russians were also very caring in 1951 when crushing the East Berlin workers' revolt; they were very caring when in 1956 their tanks crushed the Hungarian uprising (later, Hungary's Prime Minister, Imre Nagy, was murdered by the invaders of the Warsaw Pact). The Russians were also very caring when, in 1968, Russian and Warsaw Pact tanks crushed the uprising in Prague. They also planned to be very caring when, in 1982, in Poland, people demonstrated for the Solidarnosc movement. East Berlin's communist dictator Erich Honecker, in 1989, invited the Russian to practice their by then well established kind of "special caring operations" in Leipzig and other East German cities, but luckily Michail Gorbatschev would not abide. This Michail Gorbatchev, by the way, was the only human and humane leader of Russia in the past centuries.
And this ship was supposedly supplying air defence to the Russian involvement in the Syrian butchery ! laughable when it cannot defend itself against 2 basic SSMs.
Yes exactly, like with Kursk if a fire had broken out of control near a magazine or weapons handling area it could have caused a catastrophic explosion that did a lot of damage leading to sinking. I'm inclined to believe a Ukrainian missile, at least one hit, was responsible for the damage and fire, and it's probable that the fire caused even more damage. It was very telling when the Russians said they'd fully evacuated, normally a Navy crew would never do that unless the damage was so great it was the only option, as even though modern ships have some automated fire suppression you still need the crew for damage control, without the crew on board to stop it sinking the ship was doomed.
If it sank due to fire, Why did all the other Russian ships in the area move further away from the Ukrainian coast, And then again what's worse the ship being sunk by the enemy or the ship was sunk by stupidity.
Damage control parties obviously not as good as they ought to be. As for the truth - never expect that from a Russian politician, the military or the press.
...or their chuds on the internet. Even after kremlin admitting it sunk, some of them kept saying it's still afloat and they only say it sunk to prevent further attacks on it. Basically a self own, if you like.
"At 1.14 a.m., the cruiser lay on its side, and after half an hour, all the electricity went out. From 2 a.m., the Turkish ship evacuated 54 sailors from the cruiser, and at about 3 a.m., Turkey and Romania reported that the ship had completely sunk. The related loss of Russian personnel is still unknown, although there were 485 crew on board (66 of them officers)," Anusauskas said.
@@drmorcoch9338 i dont know when the ship was hit but assuming it was nighttime the readiness level might not have been very high...i.e. most were asleep below decks...so nothing strange or exceptional about that
The Sheffield was sunk with a missile that did not explode. The Navies of the world have known the damage a single missile can do from the seventies. Very hard to defeat.
Yes, the warhead of the MM-39 Exocet did not explode, fire caused by unused rocket fuel. Sheffield was unlucky, it's sister ship, HMS Glasgow, detected the radar from the missile and fired chaff to present multiple radar targets. However at that time, Sheffield was using it's satellite communications which affected it's UUA-1 radar detection. Like all RN ships at the time too, the systems were optimised against the Soviet threat of then larger, diving missiles. Sheffield after burning out, was taken under tow but bad weather caused it to sink 10 days later.
@@grahambuckerfield4640 sorry but that explanation is somewhat out of date, Sheffield did not detect the exocet however HMS Glasgow did and transmitted a "handbrake" warning of incoming missile attack, on Sheffield there was no officer in the ops room to act on it (the antiair officer had left the ops room and his assistant had also left to relieve himself). Glasgow executed antimissile measures firing chaff and turning into the missile. The officer responsible on HMS Sheffield beleived that they were outside of air launched exocet range as he had not read the intelligence briefing that included the Entendard's had an air to air refueling capability and continued to insist that it couldn't have been a missile even after being hit. Similarly sailors in breathing aparatus could not fit through the access hatches to fight the fire. Despite the board of inquiry concluding that 2 officers demonstrated negligence it was covered up at the time to "avoid damaging morale" and afterwards to avoid tarnishing the victory.
given all the suffering and horrors of this war not only for the Ukrainians but also for those poor Russian conscripts who have no idea why they are fighting, the only positive that has come out of this war is revealing the serious shortcomings of the Russian military. And this will impact the future posturing of Russia and its perception of being a so-called global power. It now knows that it has a second-grade military at best and thus will be obliterated in a conventional fight against NATO. Let's hope this fact will be considered in the future calculations of the Kremlin.
The US pushed Ukraine to this war- no it’s on the US to handle the mess it created. The US should have pushed in Jan this year for peace the comedian president. Now enjoy it! Cheers 🥂
@@Telemarthon there can be no peace with russia if russia takes ukrainian territory. ukraine will push russia out. russia calling up conscripts so they will not be well trained and canon fodder. the numbers of troops is equal, and ukraine is getting more and more weapons and supplies every day for free. russia cant win this war. russian pipe dream ukraine is going to negotiate a peace deal giving away territory. ukraine has the advantage in manpower and weapons the longer this goes on. it will only be a matter of time before ukraine starts getting jets. i assume ukrainians pilots are being trained on f-15 in usa and gonna be sent in with f-15 as soon as their training is complete. remember russia invaded ukraine, ukraine will not negotiate away their territory for peace. what more can russia do, they already bombed cities and executed civilians. the longer this goes on , it just means more russian soldiers die coming back to russia for russians to see how many are dying in ukraine. ukraine has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
@@Telemarthon body count for russia is going to be 60-70 thousand casualties after ukraine wins this. time is on ukraines side with free weapons, men and supplies coming in daily.
The Moskva seems to have done more or less what HMS Sheffield did, burned and then sunk, the missile that hit Sheffield more or less set it on fire and destroyed the fire control systems, but did not explode, but its unspent fuel may have helped to ignite the ship. Of course, if it was not hit by a missile, why the apparent retaliation of hitting a missile factory if Moskva simply spontaneously combusted?
Yeah seeing it back at the Ukrainian werft that built it would have been nice, as well as returning its original name! But ultimately one doesn't pick and choose, and having it continue to present hazard to Odessa wasn't tenable.
Just think of those very disappointed Ukrainian farmers who have equipped their farm tractors to be amphibious. The bloody ship sank too fast for them to get to it and tow it back to Odesa!
news flash!: ukrainian scuba club has missiles and navel guns for sale, never used, slightly wet , good condition otherwise, also many shells and torpedos available tommorrow!
that moskva was packed with weapons for a cruiser, it had 64 , s300 anti air launchers plus torpedo tubes and anti-ship missiles. it was basically an ammo barge. if those neptunes hit it, basically you getting alot of 2ndary cookoffs putting more big holes in that ship with munitions going off.
Not sure it’s necessary, Russia spends only a 1/3 more than us a year on military. Yet uk is part of NATO. The combination of arms already completely overwhelms anything Russia can do.
Dannaatt persuasively rules out a fire as being the cause. And I agree with his concluding that ship was sunk by a Ukrainian missile. But can we rule out sabotage?
I'm a very close surveyor of open source intelligence on Twitter etc. That may sound a bit meh, actually it can tell you an awful lot. What is really important here is a fact that the ukrainians were claiming this missile attack some 3 hours before Russians said anything (and they also much better predicted the state the ship was in and its sinking). What would better explain that the ukrainians knew about this events far before the Russians? More over, the rest of the Russian fleet suddenly retreated further south. If it was an accidental fire, those ships would have made a beeline to helping the moszkva but instead moved further out of Ukrainian missile range. This is better explained by knowing that the ukrainians had hit the ship with missiles.
Putin called NATO supplies to Ukraine a provocation that makes NATO countries a target. Which means an act of war. When does he plan to attack supply routes and bases then? Their precious ship was hit by NATO missile fired by Ukranian soldiers, Right?
Lord Dannat's reminder that if one desires peace one must be prepared for war strikes at the heart of the problem. The primary obligation of any state government is to secure its border and defend its citizens period, full stop. The weak reed politicians in this information age sway in accord to highly vocal minority voices whose concerns are personal and not necessarily in the best interest of the nation. One of least recognized defense expenditures is the continued allocation of funds for proper maintenance of military equipment and trading cadres in peaceful lulls of history, largely invisible to citizens. No glamour to present publicly as opposed to the whizbang of new weapons announcements. Brake hoses and oil filters, tires not made in China, and other mundane pieces of kit and tools are all vitally necessary to keep the military in proper readiness. Illustrative of this need are the WWII British and American films educating the citizenry of the importance of these efforts. A good quantity of which are available on TH-cam. Lessons from the past that need repeating....lest we become enchanted with another Chamberlain waving a paper restraining order and declaring peace in our time on the news. How did that turn out?
Of course the best defense you can have is good relations with your neighbors. The Germans and the French have the luxury of protecting their people by funding a proxy war in Ukraine, or at worst, having to fight in Poland. Russia, on the other hand, can't afford to put its force into one place; it's got too many enemies. In fact a lot of its military might is tied down with *internal* security.
Assume the opposite when the Russians speak the "truth" Russia is forgetting Ops Barbarosa..the Nazis lost due to determination of the local population and the freezing Russian winter..ukraine will win
I don't think the German loss was quite that simple. They had absolutely terrible logistics. Production priorities were not made according to information from operational units. The Germans were fighting on multiple fronts and ended up having to expend huge resources and airpower in fending off strategic bombers. The Western Allies operated on the strategic level and gave Russia the space to put everything into it's local army and air forces.
Its highly possible for a single hit to take out a large ship. Especially as the details we do know around this are presented. A impact, warhead detonation, magazine detonation. The Falklands showed us that repeatedly. Lord Richard must be having a fit of insanity.
The opposition they faced in Syria was a lot less effective than they experience in Ukraine. By comparison Syria was a cake walk and this is why the Russians were so confident.
The ship was sailing alone out at sea. There was no-one there to film it. It would be almost unbelievable if there were film of the attack (Ukrainian military might have film but they may not wish to reveal it).
@@jrd33 Military and civilian satellites observe every square inch of the earth 24/7/365. Somewhere..someone has the necessary images and information. We are experiencing events that go far deeper than most people..80-90%.. realize or would accept. They..the G.D.P. the Generally Dumb Public..are perfectly content to.." pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..just look at the pretty lights and listen to the bells and whistles ". The reality is.. Those who will not use the brains and skills they have are no better off than those who have none. They are by their own choice subject to the will and control of those who would be their masters.
If you want to see what happens when a warships magazine explodes check out HMS Barham. I suspect what happened was the Moskva was hit by a missile which started a fire either directly due to the warhead and/or exacerbated by unburnt fuel. All non essential crew were evacuated while the fire teams tried to extinguish the blaze,when it became apparent they were losing the fight they too abandoned ship or were killed.
Nothing so organised, sounds like it went down in a few hours. The tow story is just that, a story. Two missile warheads would have done huge damage and doubtless cooked off all those tube mounted missiles on deck, perhaps a magazine somewhere. Turkish ship picked up 54 survivors. That's it. 54. Out of about 510. Russia are still not saying how many survivors because that massive a loss of personnel indicates it was in fact a missile strike and a devastating one and not this 'well, there was a fire and we evacuated and it sank being towed home'. Bilgewater. It went down in about three hours after being hit.
Remember there was a storm, so I cannot see people getting evacuated in the middle of the night in a storm with ammo exploding, it just doesn´t make sense. It makes more sense to me that only 10% of the crew got off. Just having other ships near would have crushed/drowned many of the sailors in the water.
@@stevengrice1807 According to Turkish sources, a Turkish ship (warship presumably) heard a Mayday around 1am and rescued 54 personnel, power on the Moskva failed about half an hour after the impact, listing to port, sank around 0300. There was no tow, she went down where she stopped.
As others have said, it is one thing to TAKE a city (such as Mariupol), it's another to HOLD it. I hope the Ukrainians can somehow punch a line into Mariupol long enough to resupply and re-arm it, and prevent it from being taken. But even if Russia does take possession, I very much doubt Ukraine will agree to cede Mariupol in any peace agreement.
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The Russian gov't usually denies anything negative that they either experience or cause, so it would be consistent that they are also lying in this case.
The Russian general had experience in Syria. True, butchering a lot of Syrian women and children. This time he faces hardened troops who are being armed and trained by over 40 countries.
The Asia/Pacific tilt always looked like pie in the sky based on a denial of geography. The UK is a European country, our prime exposure to Russia is via the Arctic seas and the Baltic region. If Russia is not utterly defeated in Ukraine, we must expect new proxy wars in places like the Balkans combined with repetition of interference attempts in elections as occurred in 2016.
@@thedirty530 People are wising up a bit to propaganda, Russia undermines itself. One day Russia sent the wrong bots to a channel, so a European English language news got the Trumptard bots spewing out totally irrelevant stuff rather than the wedge issue attempts they use in Europe. Everyone who saw that is going to realise where most trolls come from.
The Russian interference in the elections was miniscule. The consequence was the attempt by a certain political party to try to use whatever interference there was, and the jury is still out about whether some of the hacking attempts claimed ever happened, to try to smear their opponents. The West is now open to Russian lies and half-truths because of the justified mistrust in the blatantly lying Western corporate media. The media make me laugh with their hype about threats to democracy when nobody has had a more corrupt influence on the democratic process than them.
The morale of the Russian Troops has to devastating after the Loss of 20,000 plus troops and more to come in the Donbass area,that more Losses in all time that Russia waged War in Afghanistan,in ten year's of war,In over 50 plus days they've loss 20,000 plus .
Lord Dannaatt is correct about the funding of the armed forces. Having seen the grotesque waste of money demanded by the legal industry, the justice system, tax deals for multinationals, etc. our priorities should be very different. The priorities of decades of government have been wrong.
A bully does not stop. One must go on offense to stop being attacked. Not is the time for nato to send in UAVs and minimal troops for coordination of troops.
Not necessarily true, depends where the fire is, depends on whether the fire detection was working and whether every compartment on the ship has active fire suppression. Unmanned machinery spaces with fuel lines on lower decks could cause it to sink if the fire was left unattended, e.g. pool fire or VCE. The ship was laid down in 1979 (in Ukraine), so it is older hardware. That said, I still think Ukraine sank it, but the general’s analysis is flawed; too much faith that equipment and procedure work all the time and that the ship is well maintained and operated correctly.
Surely the point is, as the Black Sea fleet flagship, it should have been protected from fire - if the Russian Armed Forces hadn't been hollowed out from corruption; and if this wasn't a missile attack, as Russia is trying to say. (The strike on the missile factory in Kyiv speaks to otherwise, though.)
I question whether the Ukrainians sank it....but wouldn't be surprised at all if this fire wasn't started by something the Ukrainians did, and aging Soviet hardware combined with decades of poor maintenance and ill-trained crew is actually the reason it sunk.
@@wessexdruid7598 point I was really making is that the General’s analysis was lacking. There are too many factors to consider, all of which look bad for Russia, even if Ukraine didn’t sink it. From a lack of Phalanx CIWS equivalent to poor procedures and planning, there’s no good angle here for the Russians. That said though, never underestimate incompetence. I don’t see corruption having a big role here, despite how rife it is in Russia
@@snagletoothscott3729 very difficult to get onboard to start a fire, even on old hardware. The ship would have duty shifts and guards posted plus surveillance; for the Ukrainians to get onboard and start a fire would require a lot of failures of duty/procedure/surveillance, not to mention failure of fire fighting. Missile attack is the most likely scenario. It should also be considered though that a ship that age in heavy combat is way more likely to suffer accidental damage, given how many missiles it would have launched. Each launch at sea stresses the launcher, and repeated use could easily result in catastrophic failure, especially if not maintained well due to high combat load.
@@tonymccann1978 In addition to it's medium & short-range air defence layers, Moskva had six CIWS positions, capable of a 5,000 rpm 'wall of lead'. Corruption means that things which are supposed to be there, aren't, because they've been sold or corners cut, for bribes. (Like those T-72s found with blocks of clay, instead of live ERA packs.) But no, I don't discount incompetence - too much of it has already been demonstrated.
@@rtqii And what's good then? Nato taking over the world freeing the path to install a new world order? Also completely destroying the Russian army is delusional, since they will resort to using nuclear weapons if they have no other options left. And they happen to have the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world.
Well. Step 1 tho. Let's never assume that Russian ships actually have effective fire / damage control... which is damaging. But. Wouldn't be surprising.
The exact number of dead is not known, there could have been several hundred. Here is the chronicle of events recorded by the Turkish and Romanian side at night: 01.00 The Russian Defense Ministry announced a fire and a subsequent explosion of ammunition on the cruiser Moskva. The department is talking about a fire on the cruiser. The cause of the fire is being established. 01.05 An SOS signal was transmitted from the cruiser Moskva (source: International Maritime Forum) 01.14 As a result of a fire and explosion, the cruiser “Moskva” was thrown onto the port side. 01:47 The power supply has completely disappeared on the Moskva cruiser. Everything is bad. 02.07 Turkey claims that 99.99 percent of the “Moskva” can sink within an hour (54 sailors from the cruiser were rescued by a Turkish ship). 02:48 In Turkey and Romania, they say that the cruiser “Moskva” sank.
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Shame Biden's delivery is a bit last minute but nevertheless I think the tide is turning for Ukraine. Russia's sanctioned reserves should also go directly to Ukraine.
The Biden administration is performing admirably, taking care to provide the Ukrainian military with weapons systems they can use out of the box, so to speak. At the same time the administration is dealing with the political reality that there are politicians in the House and Senate who are all in on Russia.
Zelensky has said leaders of democratic countries do what their electorates allow them. I agree. In my opinion Biden has done a decent job of leading a coalition in getting tough sanctions on Russia and sending arms to Ukraine, but I wish he'd do more. If Americans want him to do more, I'd encourage them to write to their representatives in Congress and the Senate. Tell them to put aside partisan politics, and work together to give more help to Ukraine.
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YES!!! May the HEAVY RAINS over Ukrainian land and sea continue to TOTALLY DISRUPT ALL military operations. (RAINS expected to continue throughout next week.)
moskva was not sunk, it is now a special snake island memorial reef and crab hotel. saying the word sunk and moskova together can get you 15 years in jail for fake news.
Thanks be to God.
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God is letting CIVILIANS be MURDERED
God is EVIL or powerless
The word is 'Rasputitsa', which describes the situation in that part of the world when the ground thaws and basically becomes metres of liquid mud.
This is why the Russians have been road bound. They really invaded in the wrong season.
As an American who was born in Odessa this prognosis makes me shiver. I love Odessa with all my heart and I don’t want to see it turned into rubble. City center looks a bit like Paris as it was built by European architects employed by Catherine. The opera house alone is a marvel of architecture
Unfortunately with the "new" guy in that has a reputation for carpet bombing large swathes of land I would not be surprised if that happens here as well...
Russia wants to destroy Ukranian culture and identity. That's why they bombed the Mariupol Theater even with children inside.
I thought Odessa was destroyed during WW2. Am I wrong?
Actually sir why did you leave your hometown for a better future away overseas in the US? Is it ok to love your Odessa from thousands of miles away?
Perhaps pyatig was born iof American 🇺🇸 parents in Odessa, or pyatig May be a “she” or quite advanced in age.
As someone from the US, that man was spot on. Great interview! I always love hearing military leadership that won't make the mistake of indulging speculation or relying on assumptions!
Speculation is an absolute necessity to be prepared for the next battle. Without it, you can only ever prepare for the last battle, and if you face an enemy with imagination and speculation (about what you will do), you will be destroyed by an embarrassing margin.
@@ED-es2qv I was struggling to find the word for it at the moment....I guess now I'd say assumptions would fit better!
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The most sensible and factual interview by any military strategist I have seen since this war began. He certainly knows what he is talking about.
I absolutely agree, but he needs better Opsec. The notification chime from his computer reveals what operating system is running. That can be important information in the wrong hands.
As commanding officer of the Green Howards he was nothing special. 👎
You mean the part where he said that munitions exploding inside a ship, evacuating the crew, then towing it into a storm with no power and no crew, couldn’t possibly sink a ship. That makes perfect sense. Let’s go back and prosecute all the ship captains that said their ship sunk in a storm after losing power, because that makes no sense. Let’s prosecute all the warship captains who lost a ship after they made the nonsensical claim that their own munitions exploded and sank the ship, since that can’t happen either.
Making perfect sense. Now, if he would have said they were lying because they always lie, I would agree he makes sense, because they always lie.
He's a yes man, he was part taking capacity and capability away from the British Army.
He said the Russians would never invade, right up to the point they did😬
Soon, putin will be saying 'what ship? we never even had a ship.'
Special sinking operation.
Everything is part of the plan 🌚😂
Yes! "Comical Ali" taken to his extreeme.
Hahaha
"Are the Russians lying " the answer is yes, it is always yes.
True, but not as much as Ukraine, US, NATO and western media. Just based on sheer volume.
Their lips are moving, right?
@@mythos5809 Putin supporters say war crimes are perfectly acceptable. They are all our fault. Zelenskyy should surrender, so Putin can commit genocide in peace. Russia is the real victim here, and they have a right to commit war crimes because NATO is forcing Russia to do this... It's America's fault too... America and the western media need to be prosecuted for the Bucha crimes. This proves Putin's retreat is strategically brilliant, everything is going according to plan. All the armor destroyed is Ukrainian, anybody can paint a Z on and make it look Russian. Putin is going to send in his real army now and punish Ukraine and it's NATO's fault when Putin attacks Ukraine. Putin still has speedo missiles and he can flatten any city he wants. The west should be scared of Putin's speedo missiles flattening their cities like Ukraine. Russia hates the world and it's all the world's fault. If you don't support Putin, you die, and you deserve that. -- I am getting the propaganda message.
@@mythos5809 Not possible even then. Just about everything Russia says is a lie whereas The West just don't do that with everything. I'm not saying they never lie, just nowhere even close to the way Russia does.
@@mythos5809 - Believe who you will but picking the wrong side is your problem.
Russian Naval Ministry just made a statement: "The Moskva is perfectly fine, it is just working at a lower altitude."
I’m not questioning you but what on Earth does that mean? It’s half sunk so it’s not floating as high? If that’s the case is it not sinking?
it has a special underwater military operation
@@markharrisllb it has sunk.
@@badmonkey2222 That definitely passes as a "lower altitude". 😂😂
@@ralucaema3007 Brilliant!!
Very informative interview. Richard Dannaatt knows his stuff. We are lucky to have such intelligent men.
He assumes that the Russians had competent damage control. We know from recent experience that the Russians are not competent at many things.
Not the much clever ship sink if get damage they lose air only take long to sink more then an hour
Plus a didn’t like his confidence about Russia will take Mariupol
Give no credit to Ukraine soldiers after what they achieved so far keep Russia soldiers back
I do not like this old man
You may be right, but then you may not...
@@brandstyle3639 the Ukranian soldiers have done amazingly well, it's still doing amazingly well but if you run out of fuel, food and ammunition you have to surrender at some point.
Tom Riley no i do not agree
Russia too can run out of fuel and food and surrender in some point
Ukraine been receive lot weapons and help such aid medications cloth food everything they need to survive
When think get more tough
Others country will step In
Quality interview, interviewer, and interviewee.
Any Russian ship that approaches Odessa will meet the same fate as the Moskva, right to the bottom of the Black Sea. 💙💛
Why are the other vessels still afloat then?
@@Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo because they're out of missile range....they all sailed away a further 200miles from land when the moskva was struck.
@@zortzsborgnine3983 The Ukrainian missiles have a range of 260 miles or so.
@@Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo y you're asking if you know the answer
I totally agree with you, Russia will lose more ship.
The Moskva didnt sink, it is engaged in special military underwater operation on the seabed.
Evil is a master of deception,, agree
Brilliant Pete
Yep the Ukrainian seabed nationalist battalion has it coming now!
To denazify Bikini Bottom.
#PetyrKowalski. I heard that too. I understand they're dredging for big mussels, but only found small shrimps.
Speaking as a retired US Navy veteran he is correct its hard to believe the Moskva sunk. Modern ships are highly compartmented and have pretty good damage control capability.
However, ships require constant maintenance to maintain this water tight integrity and the crew requires constant training and practice to be able to perform damage control in emergency situations. Ordnance requires special training and storage on these vessels.
Given the poor performance and state of disrepair of a lot of the Russian stuff we have seen so far in this war …. it would not surprise me at all that what could have been a controllable situation quickly spiraled into events that sunk that ship.
Of course nobody will ever really know the truth because …. we’re dealing with Russia.
That Russian supply ship that exploded and sank dockside at Berdyans'k - some people have suggested that it was not struck by any missile but suffered an uncontained fire onboard that touched off munitions. Suggested by the fact that no videos or photos available show an initial blast, but indicate a gradual billowing of smoke increasing in intensity until the munitions began cooking off.
Another USN veteran who had gone on board a visiting Russian warship years ago said on TH-cam that he was amazed by its LACK of watertight compartmentation and poor state of repair.
Maybe the Russian Navy is as badly set up as the Army. This should be reassuring for the rest of the world. It also means that it's not pointless to be prepared to resist a Russian invasion, even for the small countries on its borders.
China has a similar corporate state or kleptocracy to Russia's: its neighbours must be taking note too.
@@faithlesshound5621 I'm an irish electrician and I've seen some of the Chinese light switches if there ships are made in the same manner there definitely will be problems
Its definatly sank.
Modern western ships yes. Soviet era warships, not so much.
If it was just a fire...or a wayward piece of ammo...why did RUSSIA move the other ships 85 miles further out to sea? That alone should tell you something.
In their defense, they would have to move their ships even if it was an accident as the Moskva was the main air defense for the Black Sea fleet. If they kept their ships close to shore then They would be wide open to aerial strikes without the Moskva.
The real reason they’re claiming it’s an accident though is that they won’t have to pay the families of the dead if it was an accident.
The Russian industrial prowess strikes once again. Moskva morphed into a submarine. Amazing. I wished them many more subs like this one.
Bravo!!! One of the more insightful and classic observations. Gurgle, gurgle.
All Russian ships has been ordered to move away from the Ukrainian coast in order to avoid accidental fires...
is it a fact that for the first time in history that a flag ship has been sunk by a nation that hasent really got a navy !!!
Putin receives a package. It's a fish wrapped in newspaper. He asks, "what does this mean?"
An aide replies:
"It means Moskva sleeps with the fishes"
Signed, Luca Brasi!
LOL 😅😅😅😅 Putin: "oh good, but are you sure the fishes like its presence their though?"
Prego, Don Jacq. Its not personal, its business
Brilliant interview
The Russians say “the Ukrainian did not sink the ship, we are so incompetent we sank our ship.”
There is nothing to talk about. The Russians hit the missile factory last night that produced the cruise missiles that struck the Moskva. Congratulations to the Ukrainians for being so patient and waiting for the right moment, but not letting the Russians know they had this capability all along.
You don't move your other ships further out to sea if it was just have a ship that sunk due to fire on board.
@Goseth Jones Exactly what I was thinking. If there were nuclear weapons onboard, they would definitely move everything else away from it.
@Goseth Jones Fear of the conventional weapons going up.
@Goseth Jones Nuclear weapons do not detonate "spontaneously". The sailing Orcs probably got their slide rules or Sinclair spectrums out and worked out the maximum range of the mostly missiles (Neptunes?) and moved back?
The ship has sailed around for 40 years without any accidental fires sinking it.
The Ukrainian cruise missile took this ship out
I agree it was a missile. But the Kursk submarine sank due to an internal explosion.
I'm thinking that, the Ukrainian missile struck the Russian missiles on board.
And that larger explosion is what crippled the Moskva.
The Russians have become increasingly more clumsy recently.
I thought it was utterly amazing how the Moskva stopped those two Ukrainian missiles from harming any other boat.
Yes, it seems that they are very considerate and caring people. (Don't let yourself be misled by my name. That's a play on words since the German verbs siegen (to be victorious) and siechen (to waste away) do sound pretty similar in certain dialects.) The Russians were also very caring in 1951 when crushing the East Berlin workers' revolt; they were very caring when in 1956 their tanks crushed the Hungarian uprising (later, Hungary's Prime Minister, Imre Nagy, was murdered by the invaders of the Warsaw Pact). The Russians were also very caring when, in 1968, Russian and Warsaw Pact tanks crushed the uprising in Prague. They also planned to be very caring when, in 1982, in Poland, people demonstrated for the Solidarnosc movement. East Berlin's communist dictator Erich Honecker, in 1989, invited the Russian to practice their by then well established kind of "special caring operations" in Leipzig and other East German cities, but luckily Michail Gorbatschev would not abide. This Michail Gorbatchev, by the way, was the only human and humane leader of Russia in the past centuries.
Not to mention the protection of the mines!
Before communication ended the Moskva reported it had successfully been involved in a de-nazification event !
Epic comment
And this ship was supposedly supplying air defence to the Russian involvement in the Syrian butchery ! laughable when it cannot defend itself against 2 basic SSMs.
Many Russian cruisers carry more weapons than their Western counterparts and that makes them vulnerable to such attacks that has happened in Ukraine.
What attack? There was a fire. 😂🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
And _that’s_ what gunpowder envy gets you!
some say the cruiser had some nuclear warheads on board
Yes exactly, like with Kursk if a fire had broken out of control near a magazine or weapons handling area it could have caused a catastrophic explosion that did a lot of damage leading to sinking.
I'm inclined to believe a Ukrainian missile, at least one hit, was responsible for the damage and fire, and it's probable that the fire caused even more damage.
It was very telling when the Russians said they'd fully evacuated, normally a Navy crew would never do that unless the damage was so great it was the only option, as even though modern ships have some automated fire suppression you still need the crew for damage control, without the crew on board to stop it sinking the ship was doomed.
Are Putin's tables vulnerable, too?
Or his hiding bunker?
If it sank due to fire, Why did all the other Russian ships in the area move further away from the Ukrainian coast, And then again what's worse the ship being sunk by the enemy or the ship was sunk by stupidity.
They're not quite as afraid to admit their own incompetence because well what else is new?
That is exactly what I thought and why would Putin say there would be consequences when it was an internal accident?
@Goseth Jones They would be inert. They would also be broken arrows that can be salvaged by the US.
The ship was apparently struck with an anti-ship Neptune cruise missile. Emphasis on "anti-ship".
Neptune missiles have turned out to be much more effective than initially believed.
Pleasure to listen to this, pl bring more!
Very interesting, Lord Dannaatt gives gives a great interview .. Thank you.
Damage control parties obviously not as good as they ought to be. As for the truth - never expect that from a Russian politician, the military or the press.
you forgot tories and republicans. dems ain't saints but they aren't nearly as malevolent.
...or their chuds on the internet. Even after kremlin admitting it sunk, some of them kept saying it's still afloat and they only say it sunk to prevent further attacks on it. Basically a self own, if you like.
The British and Americans always tell the truth and have never murdered anybody ever
I think Lord Richard said it all 😁say no more.
Well done Ukraine 🇺🇦 👏
"At 1.14 a.m., the cruiser lay on its side, and after half an hour, all the electricity went out. From 2 a.m., the Turkish ship evacuated 54 sailors from the cruiser, and at about 3 a.m., Turkey and Romania reported that the ship had completely sunk. The related loss of Russian personnel is still unknown, although there were 485 crew on board (66 of them officers)," Anusauskas said.
There are multiple reports with this time line. Search: Turkish ship Moskva
📯guess we better play some Taps.....
that's 431/485 dead sailors. it seems most of them are trapped inside the boat. something's not right
@@LeTrashPanda nah...orcs dont deserve taps
@@drmorcoch9338 i dont know when the ship was hit but assuming it was nighttime the readiness level might not have been very high...i.e. most were asleep below decks...so nothing strange or exceptional about that
The Sheffield was sunk with a missile that did not explode. The Navies of the world have known the damage a single missile can do from the seventies. Very hard to defeat.
The Sheffield sank because the fire that ensued was carried and fed by km's of PVC wiring. That has now been rectified in the rest of the fleet.
Yes, the warhead of the MM-39 Exocet did not explode, fire caused by unused rocket fuel.
Sheffield was unlucky, it's sister ship, HMS Glasgow, detected the radar from the missile and fired chaff to present multiple radar targets. However at that time, Sheffield was using it's satellite communications which affected it's UUA-1 radar detection. Like all RN ships at the time too, the systems were optimised against the Soviet threat of then larger, diving missiles.
Sheffield after burning out, was taken under tow but bad weather caused it to sink 10 days later.
I saw this after I posted mine. Agreed.
@@grahambuckerfield4640 sorry but that explanation is somewhat out of date, Sheffield did not detect the exocet however HMS Glasgow did and transmitted a "handbrake" warning of incoming missile attack, on Sheffield there was no officer in the ops room to act on it (the antiair officer had left the ops room and his assistant had also left to relieve himself). Glasgow executed antimissile measures firing chaff and turning into the missile. The officer responsible on HMS Sheffield beleived that they were outside of air launched exocet range as he had not read the intelligence briefing that included the Entendard's had an air to air refueling capability and continued to insist that it couldn't have been a missile even after being hit. Similarly sailors in breathing aparatus could not fit through the access hatches to fight the fire. Despite the board of inquiry concluding that 2 officers demonstrated negligence it was covered up at the time to "avoid damaging morale" and afterwards to avoid tarnishing the victory.
@@tomriley5790 Thanks Tom, admittedly the last times I looked at this was reading Capt Salt's obituary some years ago.
I like the radio person. She is doing a good job
Agreed. Who is she
@@liamanderson1960 jenny kleeman
Excellent crisp diction. Every word perfectly formed. Nice.
The Times is a good newspaper but i wouldn't give Murdoch the money.
What do you think about her hair?
given all the suffering and horrors of this war not only for the Ukrainians but also for those poor Russian conscripts who have no idea why they are fighting, the only positive that has come out of this war is revealing the serious shortcomings of the Russian military. And this will impact the future posturing of Russia and its perception of being a so-called global power. It now knows that it has a second-grade military at best and thus will be obliterated in a conventional fight against NATO. Let's hope this fact will be considered in the future calculations of the Kremlin.
The US pushed Ukraine to this war- no it’s on the US to handle the mess it created. The US should have pushed in Jan this year for peace the comedian president. Now enjoy it! Cheers 🥂
@@Telemarthon idiotic troll
@@Telemarthon there can be no peace with russia if russia takes ukrainian territory. ukraine will push russia out. russia calling up conscripts so they will not be well trained and canon fodder. the numbers of troops is equal, and ukraine is getting more and more weapons and supplies every day for free. russia cant win this war. russian pipe dream ukraine is going to negotiate a peace deal giving away territory. ukraine has the advantage in manpower and weapons the longer this goes on. it will only be a matter of time before ukraine starts getting jets. i assume ukrainians pilots are being trained on f-15 in usa and gonna be sent in with f-15 as soon as their training is complete. remember russia invaded ukraine, ukraine will not negotiate away their territory for peace. what more can russia do, they already bombed cities and executed civilians. the longer this goes on , it just means more russian soldiers die coming back to russia for russians to see how many are dying in ukraine. ukraine has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
@@Telemarthon body count for russia is going to be 60-70 thousand casualties after ukraine wins this. time is on ukraines side with free weapons, men and supplies coming in daily.
Russia got too cocky and thought that the ship was invincible. Unfortunately it wasn't. A very expensive experiment in over-confidence
Like a big man getting a swift kick in the knackers!
The Moskva seems to have done more or less what HMS Sheffield did, burned and then sunk, the missile that hit Sheffield more or less set it on fire and destroyed the fire control systems, but did not explode, but its unspent fuel may have helped to ignite the ship. Of course, if it was not hit by a missile, why the apparent retaliation of hitting a missile factory if Moskva simply spontaneously combusted?
Frankly, I wished that damaged and abandoned ship did not sink. I'd rather see it being tugged by some Ukrainian fishermen as souvenir.
Yeah seeing it back at the Ukrainian werft that built it would have been nice, as well as returning its original name! But ultimately one doesn't pick and choose, and having it continue to present hazard to Odessa wasn't tenable.
Just think of those very disappointed Ukrainian farmers who have equipped their farm tractors to be amphibious. The bloody ship sank too fast for them to get to it and tow it back to Odesa!
A future fishing amusement park! I like it!
Unfortunately, John Deere doesn’t make tugboats.
news flash!: ukrainian scuba club has missiles and navel guns for sale, never used, slightly wet , good condition otherwise, also many shells and torpedos available tommorrow!
I do believe their own ammo caused the ship to sink. When a Ukrainian missile hit their ammo bay. 🤣
I still think that a seriously jonesing Russian sailor might have lit a cigarette in the wrong place, but hey, I’ll take it!
They have those great big missiles right up on deck. Great target!
The ammunition magazine should be protected against that. It is more likely that the ship was damaged below the waterline as it capsized.
that moskva was packed with weapons for a cruiser, it had 64 , s300 anti air launchers plus torpedo tubes and anti-ship missiles. it was basically an ammo barge. if those neptunes hit it, basically you getting alot of 2ndary cookoffs putting more big holes in that ship with munitions going off.
Interesting and clearly expressed interview from both sides. Thank you.
Pleasure to listen to this man
Bump defence up to 3% GDP, I’d be happy knowing my taxes are being spent correctly
Not sure it’s necessary, Russia spends only a 1/3 more than us a year on military. Yet uk is part of NATO. The combination of arms already completely overwhelms anything Russia can do.
Excellent interview.
Whatever this man says, you should all take as gospel. He's held senior positions in the British Army, ISAF and NATO. 🇧🇧🇬🇧🇺🇸✌✌
Dannaatt persuasively rules out a fire as being the cause. And I agree with his concluding that ship was sunk by a Ukrainian missile. But can we rule out sabotage?
What about simple incompetence?
The explosion did not cause any injuries they all got of safe ???
@@itsonlyme9938 54 survived
I'm a very close surveyor of open source intelligence on Twitter etc. That may sound a bit meh, actually it can tell you an awful lot. What is really important here is a fact that the ukrainians were claiming this missile attack some 3 hours before Russians said anything (and they also much better predicted the state the ship was in and its sinking). What would better explain that the ukrainians knew about this events far before the Russians? More over, the rest of the Russian fleet suddenly retreated further south. If it was an accidental fire, those ships would have made a beeline to helping the moszkva but instead moved further out of Ukrainian missile range. This is better explained by knowing that the ukrainians had hit the ship with missiles.
@@itsonlyme9938 - Says who, your Russian buddies?
You can tell it was sunk by Ukraine. The Russian fleet moved further out to sea afterwards, out of range of missiles.
Out of range of fires on board apparently:D
Putin-" All going as planned!"...well said, thank you! 🤣🤣🤣
Brilliant, God bless ukraine 🇺🇦🙏
Propagandists on Russian TV call the sinking an act of war. An accidental fire it was not.
Putin called NATO supplies to Ukraine a provocation that makes NATO countries a target. Which means an act of war. When does he plan to attack supply routes and bases then? Their precious ship was hit by NATO missile fired by Ukranian soldiers, Right?
Russians "We should start a war with Ukraine over this!!!"
Moscow "Yes, well, err, about that."
Lord Dannat's reminder that if one desires peace one must be prepared for war strikes at the heart of the problem. The primary obligation of any state government is to secure its border and defend its citizens period, full stop.
The weak reed politicians in this information age sway in accord to highly vocal minority voices whose concerns are personal and not necessarily in the best interest of the nation.
One of least recognized defense expenditures is the continued allocation of funds for proper maintenance of military equipment and trading cadres in peaceful lulls of history, largely invisible to citizens. No glamour to present publicly as opposed to the whizbang of new weapons announcements. Brake hoses and oil filters, tires not made in China, and other mundane pieces of kit and tools are all vitally necessary to keep the military in proper readiness.
Illustrative of this need are the WWII British and American films educating the citizenry of the importance of these efforts. A good quantity of which are available on TH-cam.
Lessons from the past that need repeating....lest we become enchanted with another Chamberlain waving a paper restraining order and declaring peace in our time on the news.
How did that turn out?
UK forces uniform is made in China 😃
Of course the best defense you can have is good relations with your neighbors. The Germans and the French have the luxury of protecting their people by funding a proxy war in Ukraine, or at worst, having to fight in Poland. Russia, on the other hand, can't afford to put its force into one place; it's got too many enemies. In fact a lot of its military might is tied down with *internal* security.
@@grumpynerd yeah poor little russia has enemyes....man you bots are getting dumber and crazier by the day
Love lord Richard dannett
Putler likes the fishies so much he commisioned a brand new artificial Reef for them! We can call it the Moscow Reef or maybe the Orc Reef!
Beau of the fifth column has dubbed it the Snake Island Memorial Reef.
Loosing 40 Generals sounds too far-fetched
Assume the opposite when the Russians speak the "truth" Russia is forgetting Ops Barbarosa..the Nazis lost due to determination of the local population and the freezing Russian winter..ukraine will win
I don't think the German loss was quite that simple. They had absolutely terrible logistics. Production priorities were not made according to information from operational units. The Germans were fighting on multiple fronts and ended up having to expend huge resources and airpower in fending off strategic bombers. The Western Allies operated on the strategic level and gave Russia the space to put everything into it's local army and air forces.
Great interview Lord Danasth 👍🏻
One assumes that they are because they are striking Kyiv in retaliation.
What a great interview....
Its highly possible for a single hit to take out a large ship. Especially as the details we do know around this are presented. A impact, warhead detonation, magazine detonation. The Falklands showed us that repeatedly. Lord Richard must be having a fit of insanity.
Where is this 'flagship' talk coming from? Was there an admiral on board?
The opposition they faced in Syria was a lot less effective than they experience in Ukraine. By comparison Syria was a cake walk and this is why the Russians were so confident.
The Syrian rebels were literally sitting ducks.
As an American who was born in Odessa this prognosis makes me shiver.
Are there any images.. videos or still.. of this ship actually sinking?
An event this significant with no visual record is almost unbelievable .
The ship was sailing alone out at sea. There was no-one there to film it. It would be almost unbelievable if there were film of the attack (Ukrainian military might have film but they may not wish to reveal it).
@@jrd33 Military and civilian satellites observe every square inch of the earth 24/7/365. Somewhere..someone has the necessary images and information.
We are experiencing events that go far deeper than most people..80-90%.. realize or would accept. They..the G.D.P. the Generally Dumb Public..are perfectly content to.." pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..just look at the pretty lights and listen to the bells and whistles ". The reality is..
Those who will not use the brains and skills they have are no better off than those who have none. They are by their own choice subject to the will and control of those who would be their masters.
If you want to see what happens when a warships magazine explodes check out HMS Barham.
I suspect what happened was the Moskva was hit by a missile which started a fire either directly due to the warhead and/or exacerbated by unburnt fuel. All non essential crew were evacuated while the fire teams tried to extinguish the blaze,when it became apparent they were losing the fight they too abandoned ship or were killed.
Nothing so organised, sounds like it went down in a few hours. The tow story is just that, a story. Two missile warheads would have done huge damage and doubtless cooked off all those tube mounted missiles on deck, perhaps a magazine somewhere. Turkish ship picked up 54 survivors. That's it. 54. Out of about 510. Russia are still not saying how many survivors because that massive a loss of personnel indicates it was in fact a missile strike and a devastating one and not this 'well, there was a fire and we evacuated and it sank being towed home'. Bilgewater. It went down in about three hours after being hit.
Remember there was a storm, so I cannot see people getting evacuated in the middle of the night in a storm with ammo exploding, it just doesn´t make sense. It makes more sense to me that only 10% of the crew got off. Just having other ships near would have crushed/drowned many of the sailors in the water.
I heard it sank quickly (within 30 mins). Only 56 sailers saved so far.
@@stevengrice1807 According to Turkish sources, a Turkish ship (warship presumably) heard a Mayday around 1am and rescued 54 personnel, power on the Moskva failed about half an hour after the impact, listing to port, sank around 0300. There was no tow, she went down where she stopped.
As others have said, it is one thing to TAKE a city (such as Mariupol), it's another to HOLD it.
I hope the Ukrainians can somehow punch a line into Mariupol long enough to resupply and re-arm it, and prevent it from being taken. But even if Russia does take possession, I very much doubt Ukraine will agree to cede Mariupol in any peace agreement.
yes, very informative. thanx 4 this👌
Brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians facing Golden Horde invаsion, you are all herоes, praying for your victory...
SLAVA UKRAINE🙏❤🙏❤🙏 Stаy strong Ukrаine 👏💪🇺🇦🇵🇹🏳❤🏳 Бабушка - настоящая украинка! Низкий поклон. А оккупантам, хлеб с солью не обещаем, а пирожки с мышьяком - всегда пожалуйста!
This should never be referred to as other than "Putin's War"
The Russian gov't usually denies anything negative that they either experience or cause, so it would be consistent that they are also lying in this case.
There was also stormy weather that battered the ship allowing the sea to enter the ship which contributed to its sinking apparently.
Was Putlers mouth moving…?
If so, you can be pretty sure he was lying.
The Russian general had experience in Syria. True, butchering a lot of Syrian women and children. This time he faces hardened troops who are being armed and trained by over 40 countries.
A: hit by Ukrainian missile attack
B: sunk by Russian incompetence.
C: it was Aliens.
D: Moskva, not " Moskova"
D: pronounced "Maskva" stress on last syllable
Hvat's the driference Moskva or Moskova🤔🤣😂
@@ihw-u7d Thank you.
Q:When Is a bell a hat?
A:When it is a cloche.
Nyuk nyuk.
Aliens !
More please!!
why attack the factory making the missiles, if they were not used to sink the ship?
You know, just in case they will try something in the future!
we need to ask what started the fire, the fire was started by shore to ship missile,the Russian, the forgot that part of the details
The Asia/Pacific tilt always looked like pie in the sky based on a denial of geography.
The UK is a European country, our prime exposure to Russia is via the Arctic seas and the Baltic region.
If Russia is not utterly defeated in Ukraine, we must expect new proxy wars in places like the Balkans combined with repetition of interference attempts in elections as occurred in 2016.
You mean in 2020, when they installed thier puppet Biden !
I agree and we must be prepared for all eventualities...We certainty wont forget the division that causes us any time soon!
@@thedirty530 People are wising up a bit to propaganda, Russia undermines itself. One day Russia sent the wrong bots to a channel, so a European English language news got the Trumptard bots spewing out totally irrelevant stuff rather than the wedge issue attempts they use in Europe. Everyone who saw that is going to realise where most trolls come from.
2016 was a hoax, don't be silly
The Russian interference in the elections was miniscule. The consequence was the attempt by a certain political party to try to use whatever interference there was, and the jury is still out about whether some of the hacking attempts claimed ever happened, to try to smear their opponents. The West is now open to Russian lies and half-truths because of the justified mistrust in the blatantly lying Western corporate media. The media make me laugh with their hype about threats to democracy when nobody has had a more corrupt influence on the democratic process than them.
The morale of the Russian Troops has to devastating after the Loss of 20,000 plus troops and more to come in the Donbass area,that more Losses in all time that Russia waged War in Afghanistan,in ten year's of war,In over 50 plus days they've loss 20,000 plus .
GLORY to🇺🇦
Lord Dannaatt is correct about the funding of the armed forces. Having seen the grotesque waste of money demanded by the legal industry, the justice system, tax deals for multinationals, etc. our priorities should be very different. The priorities of decades of government have been wrong.
A bully does not stop. One must go on offense to stop being attacked. Not is the time for nato to send in UAVs and minimal troops for coordination of troops.
Are Russians lying about.. ?
Didn’t have to continue the question. The answer will always be Yes.
Not necessarily true, depends where the fire is, depends on whether the fire detection was working and whether every compartment on the ship has active fire suppression. Unmanned machinery spaces with fuel lines on lower decks could cause it to sink if the fire was left unattended, e.g. pool fire or VCE. The ship was laid down in 1979 (in Ukraine), so it is older hardware. That said, I still think Ukraine sank it, but the general’s analysis is flawed; too much faith that equipment and procedure work all the time and that the ship is well maintained and operated correctly.
Surely the point is, as the Black Sea fleet flagship, it should have been protected from fire - if the Russian Armed Forces hadn't been hollowed out from corruption; and if this wasn't a missile attack, as Russia is trying to say. (The strike on the missile factory in Kyiv speaks to otherwise, though.)
I question whether the Ukrainians sank it....but wouldn't be surprised at all if this fire wasn't started by something the Ukrainians did, and aging Soviet hardware combined with decades of poor maintenance and ill-trained crew is actually the reason it sunk.
@@wessexdruid7598 point I was really making is that the General’s analysis was lacking. There are too many factors to consider, all of which look bad for Russia, even if Ukraine didn’t sink it. From a lack of Phalanx CIWS equivalent to poor procedures and planning, there’s no good angle here for the Russians. That said though, never underestimate incompetence. I don’t see corruption having a big role here, despite how rife it is in Russia
@@snagletoothscott3729 very difficult to get onboard to start a fire, even on old hardware. The ship would have duty shifts and guards posted plus surveillance; for the Ukrainians to get onboard and start a fire would require a lot of failures of duty/procedure/surveillance, not to mention failure of fire fighting. Missile attack is the most likely scenario.
It should also be considered though that a ship that age in heavy combat is way more likely to suffer accidental damage, given how many missiles it would have launched. Each launch at sea stresses the launcher, and repeated use could easily result in catastrophic failure, especially if not maintained well due to high combat load.
@@tonymccann1978 In addition to it's medium & short-range air defence layers, Moskva had six CIWS positions, capable of a 5,000 rpm 'wall of lead'.
Corruption means that things which are supposed to be there, aren't, because they've been sold or corners cut, for bribes. (Like those T-72s found with blocks of clay, instead of live ERA packs.)
But no, I don't discount incompetence - too much of it has already been demonstrated.
It's so satisfying seeing the arrows of war hitting the heart of it's creators.
"The Moskva is currently undergoing an unplanned submarine conversion with the assistance of the Ukranians."
A ship packed with missiles is one large ammunition magazine.
The Russia army has been devastated and will take years to recover
It needs to be completely destroyed, and so far I can count on the Russians to get the job done.
@@rtqii And what's good then? Nato taking over the world freeing the path to install a new world order?
Also completely destroying the Russian army is delusional, since they will resort to using nuclear weapons if they have no other options left. And they happen to have the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world.
Well. Step 1 tho. Let's never assume that Russian ships actually have effective fire / damage control... which is damaging. But. Wouldn't be surprising.
Incompetence in Russia is s big thing especially in the army
Ok its leaders
It's what you get promoted for.
Great news!
The exact number of dead is not known, there could have been several hundred. Here is the chronicle of events recorded by the Turkish and Romanian side at night:
01.00 The Russian Defense Ministry announced a fire and a subsequent explosion of ammunition on the cruiser Moskva. The department is talking about a fire on the cruiser. The cause of the fire is being established.
01.05 An SOS signal was transmitted from the cruiser Moskva (source: International Maritime Forum)
01.14 As a result of a fire and explosion, the cruiser “Moskva” was thrown onto the port side.
01:47 The power supply has completely disappeared on the Moskva cruiser. Everything is bad.
02.07 Turkey claims that 99.99 percent of the “Moskva” can sink within an hour (54 sailors from the cruiser were rescued by a Turkish ship).
02:48 In Turkey and Romania, they say that the cruiser “Moskva” sank.
Are those claims available somewhere online? Would be good stuff to link to russian chuds who claim whatever else about this.
@@tumppu1975 Search for: Turkish ship moskva
Excellent work Ukraine. How many miles to the bottom of the Big blue sea.
Brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians facing Golden Horde invаsion, you are all herоes, praying for your victory...
SLAVA UKRAINE🙏❤🙏❤🙏 Stаy strong Ukrаine 👏💪🇺🇦🇵🇹🏳❤🏳Украинцы просят солдафонов Орды🐕💩🇷🇺, сосредоточенных у границ с Украиной, на всякий случай положить в карманы семена плодовых деревьев, чтоб это все обрело хоть какой-то смысл.
*кроме танкистов. Тут все бессмысленно.
When the tide is out the tractors will be in
Shame Biden's delivery is a bit last minute but nevertheless I think the tide is turning for Ukraine. Russia's sanctioned reserves should also go directly to Ukraine.
The Biden administration is performing admirably, taking care to provide the Ukrainian military with weapons systems they can use out of the box, so to speak. At the same time the administration is dealing with the political reality that there are politicians in the House and Senate who are all in on Russia.
Zelensky has said leaders of democratic countries do what their electorates allow them. I agree.
In my opinion Biden has done a decent job of leading a coalition in getting tough sanctions on Russia and sending arms to Ukraine, but I wish he'd do more.
If Americans want him to do more, I'd encourage them to write to their representatives in Congress and the Senate. Tell them to put aside partisan politics, and work together to give more help to Ukraine.
Smart guy 👍
Rough seas in the black Sea.? Highly unlikely to be powerful enough to harm a ship that size 🤡
The ship has been all over the oceans... Black sea is small and has boundaries on all sides, it's spectacularly calm in comparison.
@@SianaGearz Very true
Well done Ukraine
PUTLER
Pretty sure 'Vladolf' is the better portmanteau.
'Bloodimir'
Poooin!
@@jacqdanieles Bloodimir Pooin
Adolph 💩TIN
Imagine for 60 years how NATO has been afraid of Russian land attack.Its like Dads Army but with young people.
Unfortunately, Dad's Army was also filled with young people.
Lie? No way. Everything is going according to plan.
yep, that 4D chess thing.
Thats Great!!!