Is Breaking RIGGED? The Truth About Backyard Breaks LOADED Boxes 👀

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  • @lordnino
    @lordnino 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    All I can say is with certain cards reaching these modern values, there is NO chance they are distributed randomly. Too much money involved.

  • @LeanandG13
    @LeanandG13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    I worked for mission the tortilla and chip maker and they have these plastic boxes that their chips go in and those plastic boxes have radio tracking devices embeded into the box itself i say all that to say if they can track a $50 box of chips then you better believe its possible some one can track 6-7 figure cards

    • @googleoperationmockingbird2556
      @googleoperationmockingbird2556 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      This comment should be pinned 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @CarlosBGoode
      @CarlosBGoode 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      underrated comment

    • @vincedvorak9303
      @vincedvorak9303 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Love your post. Please check out mine. They're too recent to get noticed, but valid inquiries.

    • @sc239
      @sc239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I worked for a food company. They ran a golden ticket style competition. Find a golden ticket win a trip to a major sporting final. 5 golden tickets where hand packed into boxes at the same time and removed from the line to go into a safe.. The release of those packs were strategically done. They released the first one early to build a buzz when someone found one, and the last 4 near the end of the promo.. I believe each of the 5 biggest chains got a box but the locations were random and they were spread across the country.. Seems unethical but if they didnt do it that way there are a lot of people in the factory that could figure out what pallet that box is on. All you need to know is the time it was date coded.
      When the Lebron Logoman was packed BY HAND it was 1000% isolated from other random cases and released strategically. It wasnt sitting in a random case on a random pallet..

  • @kimkhari34
    @kimkhari34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +286

    The real dumb thing going on is people buying into breaks in the first place

    • @snorlaxsweed1115
      @snorlaxsweed1115 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      How else you gonna get NT w out buying singles?

    • @ant4613
      @ant4613 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree.

    • @1CentSportsCards
      @1CentSportsCards 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Wait... The breakers sent these 4 cards out to the people who got I to the break. So if you want these cards, maybe it isnt so dumb to buy into the break. Breaks and breakers aren't the problem. It's transparency into the process of getting cards to people. Panini doesn't even state how much stuff they produce.

    • @ant4613
      @ant4613 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@1CentSportsCards What are the odds of you actually taking home one of those cards though... You're better off using the money you spend on breaks to buy boxes of cards yourself. At least you get to keep all the cards/hits rather than potentially spending hundreds or thousands on base cards. Just my opinion though. Anyone can enter breaks if they want to :)

    • @702dougg
      @702dougg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ya so stupid to go in on a box that's way over priced

  • @Universejunkie
    @Universejunkie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    The reason why Lebrun Logo was pulled late was because Panini wanted people to buy cases hoping to hit it!!! They gave it to Backyard after 80% of cases are sold so they made their money!!!!

    • @44landin
      @44landin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      👏🏻 easy

    • @CaporalR19
      @CaporalR19 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did backyard breaks give it to the person that won it?

    • @MaxNoCap8677
      @MaxNoCap8677 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CaporalR19 probably

    • @Duuuval23
      @Duuuval23 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CaporalR19most likely not.

  • @jonathandutra4831
    @jonathandutra4831 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Definitely needs to be investigated and It won't be the first time the FBI got involved in the sports card industry.

  • @rhocke4590
    @rhocke4590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Panini doesn’t even put odds on their packs, they are definitely capable of shenanigans.

    • @mrp1924
      @mrp1924 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I seen a documentary about ultimate bet, it was new then, and as far as I know they got away with it, maybe it’s the same thing with this breaking boxes.

    • @TheRealBeastMcNasty
      @TheRealBeastMcNasty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I never considered this when already coming to the conclusion they are doing shady stuff but damn this just adds to the fire.

    • @mrp1924
      @mrp1924 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheRealBeastMcNasty there was a documentary about called McMillions, anyway there were 2 people one had the winning McDonald’s tickets in a brief case and they would go from plant to plant and insert one here one there, anyway the guy with the briefcase with the winners went into the bathroom and switched them and took the winners, the other person was a lady so he pulled it off that way, they got caught because the guy gave the winners to relatives, friends etc, I’m guessing it’s something like this that’s going on, maybe.

  • @screwydrewy7027
    @screwydrewy7027 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Sports card investor the data doesn’t lie and breaks have ruined allocation for smaller shops it’s closing out people I want to buy from. It’s not only possible it’s happening and breakers always get more product period it’s a shame

  • @eltontorres7346
    @eltontorres7346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The reason why all the other breakers are telling you that Geoff is because they have to shield each other. Josh Luber was getting that set up with them. Honestly! Every box has a bar code and the companies know exactly whats in them. There is always somebody seeing what is going in each box and so thats how they track them. With so much money involved of course they are doing their job at making sure their connections get the product.

  • @chrisross7269
    @chrisross7269 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Fun fact. The Melo logo man that geoff mentions was pulled from a box purchased from BYB which just adds even more gas to the fire. There's definitely hanky panky happening over there.

    • @danielgalloway8735
      @danielgalloway8735 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So why would anyone buy their product? SCR has an axe to grind against breakers.

    • @mike55k2007
      @mike55k2007 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielgalloway8735 bullshit. I've never seen them bash firehand in a single video. These guys are fucking scammers.

    • @mike55k2007
      @mike55k2007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Jeff is just as shady as anyone in the business as well. I do enjoy his videos but all these guys who have weird and shady shit happen all stick up for each other because they obviously benefit from having inside help whether from panini or the grading companies where Jeff has clearly been given favoritism on huge money cards that should never have been given 9.5s or 10s.

    • @danielgalloway8735
      @danielgalloway8735 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mike55k2007 SCR is basically silly

    • @vendora1
      @vendora1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@danielgalloway8735 yeah soooooooo silly that crown royale 2021-22 holograms have a specific code number and letters that actually can tell you which box has the kabooms in them SCR interviewed LMS breakers as to what the story was you might want to rethink your comments

  • @Jack-rw7vf
    @Jack-rw7vf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    to me I wonder when people say ''its because they rip so much product'' but if you look at other breakers for example Laytonsportscards they don't hit nowhere as crazy hits as BYB.

    • @2002southpaugh
      @2002southpaugh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Layton pulls a crazy amount of huge hits.

    • @Leotv19
      @Leotv19 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@2002southpaugh not product hits

    • @2002southpaugh
      @2002southpaugh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Leotv19 Luka logoman plus many many more.

    • @Leotv19
      @Leotv19 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@2002southpaugh which one which year

  • @My_Paper_Route
    @My_Paper_Route 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    The Lamelo Ball Logo Man also came from a box purchased from BYB.

  • @nicksap4234
    @nicksap4234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    It wasn’t just those 4 cards it was a bunch of other cards.

  • @479FilmsX
    @479FilmsX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Geoff’s example of his 1/49 and 49/49 has holes in it. He sent in multiple redemptions and just cuz ALL of them weren’t printed special like that doesn’t mean Panini didn’t give me a special on a couple cards.

  • @DSupreme8
    @DSupreme8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Layton has been breaking for so long and they never hit as much as Backyard

    • @teddycarter2618
      @teddycarter2618 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Honestly I questioned all of this before backyard breaks, some random LCS in Wisconsin isn't going to get sent a case/box with a Lebron Logoman.
      I think it's possibly a publicity stunt, Panini draining every penny they can out of the hobby. These geniuses really don't think the card companies have employees working with the "3rd party" printing companies for quality control at the minimum, rigging boxes at the maximum.

    • @therallybeard
      @therallybeard 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@teddycarter2618 gotta make the most possible, panini most likely going to get bought for what they made on 1 year and they are printing to the moon. Feels bad for anyone who has a favorite rookie out right now. That base psa 10 is gonna be in a stack of thousands

    • @jcbuckeye
      @jcbuckeye 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes they do. Look at their hits! If it's a 2k card you don't hear about it. But Layton breaks 25 35% of what backyard does. So if they break a fourth of what backyard does they backyard should get 4 times the hits.

    • @donkeypox1943
      @donkeypox1943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yea he has moved on to back door breaking now for videer views

    • @justinthinkify
      @justinthinkify 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Layton hit that Luka NT rookie logoman. That card itself is worth more than all the cards backyard broke lol

  • @tomvanderark423
    @tomvanderark423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    There is a lot of dishonesty in this world including the sale of sports cards. It's good to make money to pay bills, but some like Panini have gotten way too greedy.Hopefully God will touch their hearts and make them see the errors of their ways. God bless and keep you all. Tom V.

    • @donkeypox1943
      @donkeypox1943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dude Panini is releasing the Vicar of Christ series soon!

    • @Elleon12
      @Elleon12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's unlikely

  • @mwitter2003
    @mwitter2003 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I believe Backyard breaks is 100% set up. The fact that they all recorded breaks, it advertised the products so Panini would benefit. I think the card market blew up and having these big hits shown are suppose to spark/ keep excitement. If Panini isn’t getting a kick back, the advertising would make it worth it to them. If Panini isn’t involved, that means Backyard breaks has someone on the inside telling them when these one of one’s were printed so they can order big supply. Or selling them the boxes knowing they contain the one of ones.

  • @jamesreynolds9673
    @jamesreynolds9673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The NT Lamelo Ball logo man was pulled from a case acquired from Backyard themselves. A friend of the company who literally called it b4 he pulled it.

    • @stevem9203
      @stevem9203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Excellent point. I think we are all forgetting that he literally calls it before he pulled it which kind of set this whole thing off. I we supposed to believe it was just a lucky guess.

    • @ChrisTheElectrician
      @ChrisTheElectrician 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly

    • @sportsfix6975
      @sportsfix6975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The entire sports card industry is a racket...

  • @ai3n10
    @ai3n10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Respectfully Geoff you can’t hold water to what any other breaker says because they don’t want their breaks falling off because customer’s perception will be “why would I break with you when BYB has all the hits”…it’s all about self preservation of their business

    • @RegioSubliminal86
      @RegioSubliminal86 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They would shot themselves in the foot if they said otherwise.

  • @ant4613
    @ant4613 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I only entered a few breaks before I realized it was a complete waste of money.

  • @seong2park73
    @seong2park73 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Backyard breaks should be called: back door breaks

  • @ChowDownDetroit
    @ChowDownDetroit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    You guys didn’t bring up the fact that they also have done a shady thing by giving someone Jaguars for free and when the Trevor Lawrence Gold hit, they wouldnt give it to their customer. Them being unethical and shady makes them suspicious of doing more dirty deeds.

    • @Beatoncards
      @Beatoncards ปีที่แล้ว

      No not that’s lol they just said they was giving it away for free not the team they ripped it and took it back and sold it for 20k or something and donated it

  • @skattered888
    @skattered888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    100% loaded box. you cant talk your way out of straight maths. no matter how convincing you want to be

    • @FortyBreaks
      @FortyBreaks 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The math isn't very good, is the problem

    • @stevem9203
      @stevem9203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No the math is very good and very basic. We know panini is producing hundreds of thousands of packs of product like Prizm… it is extremely hard to hit a very rare card let alone the most valuable one of one. On top of that to pull the best card from multiple products you don’t have to do math to know that’s extremely hard to do. You just have to have common sense and understand probability.

    • @FortyBreaks
      @FortyBreaks 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stevem9203 ok but the math really isn't good. It starts with a made up number based on an assumption. Can't take the rest seriously.

    • @stevem9203
      @stevem9203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He’s going through probability based on how much of the product as a whole they are opening. He’s not giving any exact numbers. He is just saying that unless they are literally opening almost all of the product this outcome is highly unlikely. You would have to basically believe that BYB is ripping more than the rest of the world combined for this to be probable. That is simple math and common sense not just assumptions.

    • @FortyBreaks
      @FortyBreaks 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stevem9203 that IS an assumption, lol 🤦‍♂️

  • @outtacontrolsportscards9414
    @outtacontrolsportscards9414 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    that lemalo ball that was pull the other day was a box sold by back yard breaks to the guy that opened

  • @kenneyfizer4453
    @kenneyfizer4453 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The LaMelo Ball logo man case was bought from back yard breaks. The guy opening that case was bragging about pull the logo man before he opened the case

    • @michaelj2285
      @michaelj2285 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This..... another bullet in the gun shooting down Panini / BYB

  • @genxthings
    @genxthings 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So I’d like to throw a couple of scenarios out there. I will only speak about the Lebron triple logo for the sake of the breaks. That card was hunted by a ton of people. Many of them were high-profile people with a lot of money. The more boxes that were opened without hitting the Lebron the prices of all the other boxes went up. Now, do we know who had these boxes to sell, and do those individuals have any strong relationships with the distributor? Then finally after most of the boxes open up the good ol backyard breakers find it. Kinda convenient right? As the market is slowing down how do you get top dollar for high-end boxes? I think there is a much bigger picture that nobody is even thinking about.
    The reason why you can not count out people from the distributor being involved in the back door antics is that you see it all the time in businesses that produce and/or move products. I was the GM of a delivery company (one of the big ones). The GM before me got caught in a massive theft ring that went between states involving sorting facilities, aircraft, dock workers, etc... Reported tens of millions of dollars worth of packages were stolen from gaming stores, sunglass stores, apple, and more in addition to that they were moving narcotics being dropped off at drop boxes inside of office max stores, and the driver picking them up got paid to make sure it got through the sort. My point is if all that can happen for 6+ years, most certainly can a distributor hook up a breaker. Sure you can give them the benefit of the doubt, but the odds math is there. Does not look probable that they are just lucky. Of course, none of us know for sure, but there is a strong possibility shady practices were/are going on. I don’t know what went or goes on, but there is always going to be a whole bunch of what ifs…

  • @CaporalR19
    @CaporalR19 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One question... Who regulates breaking???
    Nobody. So any breaker is not lawfully forced to allow an inside investigation

  • @bensweetra4871
    @bensweetra4871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Sounds like Geoff has some friends at Backyard Breaks haha. No way they got those hits in a legit way

    • @donkeypox1943
      @donkeypox1943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yea he has sum barefoot, bareback backdoor connections!

    • @Bruno2777
      @Bruno2777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Nah he just has a lot of money invested in the hobby and if this turned out to be true it would make a lot of people bearish on the hobby

    • @flogtwo
      @flogtwo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Seriously, I just lost a lot of respect with him today

    • @NoNeedToReply34
      @NoNeedToReply34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Panini gives products to influencers

    • @Leotv19
      @Leotv19 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      More like back door deals with panini but yeah

  • @jspjaime6796
    @jspjaime6796 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Would not surprise me at all if backyard breaks are doing something shady. I mean they screwed over a person on a live break in a giveaway and didn't even get a slap on the wrist from Panini or Whatnot. Smells like a deal is going on between Panini and Backyard.🙈🙈

  • @brandonduhon1933
    @brandonduhon1933 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Geoff will ALWAYS DEFEND “fellow” scammers

  • @ryanginger1953
    @ryanginger1953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The smartest guy at the table is teapot, and he’s saying there’s an alarm bell. The one that bothers me is the Cade from prizm, however the other 3 is hand packed, and that is worrisome.

  • @1CentSportsCards
    @1CentSportsCards 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Mad respect for T-Pott. He's absolutely right that the math is the math. Compounding probability does make this almost impossible. And as a breaker, I think it's imperative to have transparency around the packing process. Stories like this give breaking a black eye when the reality is the majority of breakers actually are there for their customers, are honest and care for the hobby and it's loyalists very much.

  • @Parks1011
    @Parks1011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Here’s the problem as well. They have been caught several times doing very shady stuff. So it’s not like this is strange for them.

    • @stevem9203
      @stevem9203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes great point. With all of the scandals in the industry as a whole and panini and backyard breaks in particular how can Geoff sit there and act like this can’t happen. Why not? There is all kinds of shady stuff breakers have been caught doing. If panini was an honest company they would let us know how much product they are producing. Any idea why they don’t want to?!

  • @hillbillyballer
    @hillbillyballer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It could have obviously changed but a video I watched regarding panini and how they do patch cards showed the jersey pieces or memorabilia are laid into the sheets by hand. So having a sheet of 1/1s and laying them in by hand is happening. Making it very likely they pay attention to where those cut sheets go.
    So it’s more probable than not that they can be distributed selectively.

  • @hobbycollector1426
    @hobbycollector1426 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    About a month ago I walked into my local Target and decided to buy the last retail pack of NBA Hoops for $2.99. The last pack in the Box had been sitting there for weeks no one bought it. I just wanted to open something so I grabbed it and what are the odds I pulled an Evan Mobley rookie Auto gold numbered 6 out of 10. Crazy odds can be hit once maybe even twice by the same person but four times is getting a bit crazy it's like winning the lottery four times.

  • @ski9673
    @ski9673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The 1/1 logoman came from backyard break originally the breaker said. Seems they got to hot and past it off to a small breaker.

  • @Day1Lonzo
    @Day1Lonzo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Actually kinda crazy that as you were preparing to make and post this video today, the Topps marked pack scandal develops THE SAME DAY! Something is definitely up with companies having knowledge and influence on where top cards are and are being sent.

    • @leejinhyuk124
      @leejinhyuk124 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      got a link to the article/discussion?

    • @screwydrewy7027
      @screwydrewy7027 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Please post link to article im telling you these companies are screwing all of us topps ruined chrome now all the sudden breakers everywhere are selling and opening silver packs hobby’s going to come crashing down

    • @Wiseone123
      @Wiseone123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This stuff will kill the hobby

    • @teddycarter2618
      @teddycarter2618 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Honestly I questioned all of this before backyard breaks, some random LCS in Wisconsin isn't going to get sent a case/box with a Lebron Logoman.
      I think it's possibly a publicity stunt, Panini draining every penny they can out of the hobby. These geniuses really don't think the card companies have employees working with the "3rd party" printing companies for quality control at the minimum, rigging boxes at the maximum.

    • @Day1Lonzo
      @Day1Lonzo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@leejinhyuk124 check my other comment

  • @ighoutdoorssports1492
    @ighoutdoorssports1492 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Backyard breaks pulled a gold Trevor Lawrence kaboom and the person that was suppose to get it, did not get it! I have watched the videos of this happening and man this was shady as hell! No way they could have hit all 4 of those cards! It doesn’t pass the smell test, no matter how it is explained

    • @Tydo35
      @Tydo35 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      saw this also it was out of the Crown Royal sticker numbers on the front.

  • @kevinmark2146
    @kevinmark2146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The biggest hits of the biggest sets need to “make the rounds” from a live break, to being graded, then going to goldin and having a huge advertising campaign about the card. If Panini sends those rare cards to dealers in other countries or a small shop in a rural town in the US; that card will miss it’s “press tour”

    • @stevem9203
      @stevem9203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      💯 You hit it right on the head. They need the biggest cards being pulled in front of the largest audience who also just happens to be able to charge the highest prices for product. Not hard to see the motivation.

  • @KustomautoShop
    @KustomautoShop ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine sending loaded boxes to a group you already know is crooked .. kaboom anyone ?

  • @TheGargoylesDen
    @TheGargoylesDen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    To be honest, Ive wondered about loaded breaks in the past myself? I used to take part in breaks of a very popular breaker (not mentioning the name). And it seemed like every break he did, there would be some amazing cards and also, more often than it, those cards would show up in the very last pack he opened!? Which of course turned into "last pack luck" claims by many. Eventually he started charging more than I felt the breaks were worth and I stopped doing them. Not sure if hee started charging more because he had gotten the last pack luck reputation passed around to increase sales or if it was just a coincidental price increase.....

  • @justdigginit1331
    @justdigginit1331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Are you going to redo this video and talk about what we now know about the kaboom case hits? And how its possible to know what is being hit?

  • @brianharrison5481
    @brianharrison5481 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It could happen very easily hide a apple air tag in the box when sealing then they can track exactly where it's shipped to and buy that exact same box doesn't seem too hard to me if you have a guy on the inside

  • @Captainpops_
    @Captainpops_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They are 💯 % getting loaded orders from Panini but I feel that Whatnot is also involved in the shenanigans some how.

  • @customerservice1740
    @customerservice1740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I agree with T-Pot. Unfortunately everything in the hobby is not on the up & Up

  • @flogtwo
    @flogtwo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Geoff Wilson, I just lost all respect for you backing back yard breaks

  • @FusionfallHQ5000
    @FusionfallHQ5000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ofc Panini would want this to happen. It gives false hope to normal people thinking they're able to hit these themselves and it makes them go out and get product themselves

  • @johnnypopsicle
    @johnnypopsicle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That other hit was supposedly sold by backyard breaks to a friend down the street, the hobby house made this claim and then basically told everyone to get a life

  • @edwinbjorgen3790
    @edwinbjorgen3790 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for helping me get completely out of this sham of card collecting. Feeling like a fool and his money.

  • @cryptonite8495
    @cryptonite8495 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    T-Pott, you should consider breaking away on your own.

  • @derekjorden3845
    @derekjorden3845 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Breakers get big pull hits based on their frequency and location. Florida breaks gets amazing west coast big cards ! South gets north ect… the card companies absolutely know where every mid- high dollar card is at any time.

  • @mikehansen5356
    @mikehansen5356 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of my favorite parts of collecting cards is actually opening the packs. Why would I have someone else open my cards for me ? The whole concept of buying into a break seems like it was created to scam people

  • @MARAXUSOFVLADD
    @MARAXUSOFVLADD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It's funny because they say breakers say this holds no water. It's like asking a criminals in jail if their innocent, lol. They are all going to say their innocent. They are on the same boat. Their not going to throw water inside the boat to sink it 😂. There is too much money in it for these breakers to do that to another

  • @SACRJC
    @SACRJC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One unquestionable fact... Backyard ain't giving these breaks away

  • @ChefRonnieBoy
    @ChefRonnieBoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I never trusted back yard breaks from the start, and I really don’t trust a guy who has a thing for belly buttons!

  • @maythe4th420
    @maythe4th420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lamelo 1/1 was sold by Backyard to him. He tweeted it. So the Lamelo was sold by Backyard Breaks.

  • @JasonBrown974
    @JasonBrown974 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    YES more 90s, and not just basketball there is a ton of rare baseball stuff that's way better than the more known (star rubies, noyz boyz etc.) Inserts. 90s stuff is also rare and condition sensitive enough that you don't need to hunt only "psa 10s". Good episode keep it up guys!

  • @dgrdouger7407
    @dgrdouger7407 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hearing this reminds me of McDonalds where an inside security officer was handing out the winners to relatives and others taking kickbacks during multiple Monopoly games. It took one of the insiders to come forward for McDonalds get an Feds involved.

    • @yikes6969
      @yikes6969 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What reminded you of it? When they specifically brought up that exact occurrence?

  • @VarsityOddish
    @VarsityOddish 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Seems like it would be a distributor issue not panini issue. Hobby House hit the Lamelo 1/1 logoman and they’re 30 minutes from Backyard…

  • @vincedvorak9303
    @vincedvorak9303 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This reminds of a true event that took place about 20 years ago. A friend was a graveyard clerk at a 7/11. Around 2 am on one perticular evening, a woman in a business suit and driving what appears to be a black car with government plates. She walks directly to the counter and proceeds to play one particular scratch ticket. With the situation already beyond sketchy, she stays at the counter to scratch off and cash in any winner and continues on the same ticket. At one point, she even won $50 & $20 back to back, and didn't stop. She gets towards the end of the roll, and what a coincidence, she hits the top prize of $30K. With no smiles or emotion, the lady showed my friend the ticket and immediately left. It was obvious from every common sense perspective that the lady worked somewhere within the state lottery. She knew where the winning ticket was located when the new roll was activated the second that bar code was scanned. We live in a sinister, corrupt world of crooked politics that is blindly overlooked every day.

    • @LeanandG13
      @LeanandG13 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      More things are rigged than people will truly ever know

    • @chasejackson7248
      @chasejackson7248 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, the lottery business makes billions a year so the had to win that 30,000 dollars to stay profitable.

  • @jimreed2138
    @jimreed2138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Extremely odd 1 breaker would hit all 4 cards.

  • @Prichardcards
    @Prichardcards 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    We need a backyard breaks interview ASAP get them on

    • @torrey88
      @torrey88 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nobody wants to hear those clowns talk man. Interview will do nothing. Geoff will lob them softballs.

    • @johnnyv1938
      @johnnyv1938 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They won't go on. They know they are guilty

    • @vendora1
      @vendora1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnnyv1938 and panini hasnt released a public statement regarding this issue either

    • @johnnyv1938
      @johnnyv1938 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@vendora1 of course not. All set up

  • @zaggyyes9140
    @zaggyyes9140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I never realized how blue collar the hobby was until it hit a brick wall with the statistical “complexity” brought on by this BackYard Breaks/Panini drama

    • @donkeypox1943
      @donkeypox1943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      When you are in the back door game yur bound to hit a brick wall

  • @dusting2331
    @dusting2331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Let’s not forget the gold Trevor Kaboom that they totally gave away…3 times.

    • @phillyfansufferer
      @phillyfansufferer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't ever remember Geoff even doing a vid or mentioning that TLaw story. Interesting how that seemed to be forgotten about on Geoff's end.

    • @Duuuval23
      @Duuuval23 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No doubt. I just watched the video on that. They even announced a winner and then tried to say they didn’t announce one. I hope the guy went through with the lawsuit.

  • @BigRett
    @BigRett 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Backyard Breaks obviously have a sugar daddy. Now it seems, that sugar daddy may work at Panini, or has a lot of pull there.

  • @billgober2
    @billgober2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Honestly I think this whole breaking thing is going to end up getting regulated by gambling laws

  • @PixelHelvetica
    @PixelHelvetica 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Plot twist the Lámelo Logoman was pulled from a box purchased from Backyard Breaks…. That fuels the conspiracy a lot more ….

    • @yikes6969
      @yikes6969 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's not what a plot twist is.

  • @eltontorres7346
    @eltontorres7346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    T-Pot is right.!! With so many packs that are out there in the Nation at every shop and Stores!

  • @nunzi83
    @nunzi83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Honestly. I think panini and What Not can be doing something shady together. It’s also a way to build hype and to make sure these huge cards aren’t pulled right away. There protecting there product prices by waiting to be pulled. Products would crumble if these cards were pulled right away.

    • @revenewyou1332
      @revenewyou1332 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great Point.

    • @devster32
      @devster32 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly. They holding product with the big hits lmfao.

    • @pointbreaks
      @pointbreaks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Majority of these got pulled in the first week of release. But as for the triple logoman, that fits your narrative pretty well, especially how expensive a box is. Im sure they knew exactly what case it was sitting in, I mean how could they not, then thats just sloppy business 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @michaelwalker6840
    @michaelwalker6840 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Panini threw you a bone, no matter how many other redemptions you sent in with that order.

  • @DeathByViny
    @DeathByViny ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Topps already said the top cards will be going to breakers.

  • @theothermiketrout4861
    @theothermiketrout4861 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey Teapot! Check out Sports Card Radio's video about how someone figured out how to determine which Crown Royale boxes have Kabooms! Lol

  • @bryangraynotthatone2297
    @bryangraynotthatone2297 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The breaker that pulled the Lamelo out of NT said he bought the case from Backyard

  • @rollandwoods97
    @rollandwoods97 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Geoff sat right there with Layton breaking that case at the national with amazing big hits right in a row. These companies know where the hits are going. Historic autographs did the same thing at the national with the 2013 ha originals set….I watched all the biggest hits pulled at one show. I’ve watched the same with other products at shows. You think they don’t do this to showcase their products? Layton sat right there with that look on his face of I knew this was in this case with Geoff saying what a case. I’ve watched the same scams with super break products.

  • @DadStrength81
    @DadStrength81 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    With all of the issues panini is having during what may be their last few years, they could have an inside person who is manipulating the printing machines making sure to get certain hits at certain times and then shipping specific cards sealed Into cases to backyard breaks for money under the table.
    I dont believe this is happening but it's certainly a possibility

    • @chrisstoecker7189
      @chrisstoecker7189 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I very much agree. With the $ some of these cards produce especially after the grading process it's strange to see the # of people who don't see the possibility of some folks coming up with a way to manipulate the system in place. Greed has driven folks to break the law for far less. I can't imagine it would take much more than around a handful of intelligent folks in on the plan to go along with some laid back employees not in on the scheme in security at the printing company &/or Panini to have been pulling things...most likely the company that's printing & distributing. It seems like a lot of people are balking at the idea it makes more sense for it to be happening than not. Coincidences aside...I'm strictly speaking from the human nature side of things & the fact that when there's something of high value there's typically folks out there who are going to come up with a plan to steal some of that pie. Factually there's nothing proven but there's also nothing that has been shown to make the public feel confident everything is on the level. The fact that Panini is coming into the exit stages of their days of card making doesn't personally give me much confidence in their commitment to discovering whether or not something is going on
      On the math side of these guesses people are making on the probability I don't believe there's any way of determining the probability of getting those specific cards in particular. Determining the probability of getting a particular parallel is difficult enough not knowing the necessary information...actually I should call it what it is it's downright impossible with the amount of unknown information... But the actual odds of getting the exact cards of top rookies in particular would make the probability far too outrageous to believe it's coincidence regardless of how much of the product they opened. Unless if they were literally opening over 90% of the product

  • @muchidromedary.7368
    @muchidromedary.7368 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Of course the big breakers are getting loaded boxes…it’s adds to the hype, so panini and topps will try to capitalize on that. Get their products viewed by as many people as possible.

  • @daves3108
    @daves3108 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Layton also gets unrealistic boxes

  • @billy8337
    @billy8337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s not a fallacy Geoff because it’s not a random set of 4 cards that they pulled. It is THE BEST 4 cards.

  • @VictoryInvestments
    @VictoryInvestments 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great content! T-Peezy dropped the data bomb! All made good points. But T-Pott is on to something!

  • @Michigan_Wolverine
    @Michigan_Wolverine ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is no way that BB pulled all those cards. Rigged

  • @RickCalderone
    @RickCalderone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If people hit newer products sooner, the rest of sales would become devalued. Could be rogue employees but the chase is what keeps the hobby alive.

    • @johnwayne9828
      @johnwayne9828 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm ready for it to die so all the con artists like Geoff and backyard breaks will piss off and collectors can afford collecting again.

  • @CharismaZard
    @CharismaZard ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is Rigged to try to act like it isn't means you get paid to deny it

  • @wiz7190
    @wiz7190 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If it look shady, smells shady, it is 99% of the time shady.

  • @HitItDeep5
    @HitItDeep5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Comparing sports trading cards to the stock market is beyond stupid.

  • @TimewarpTV
    @TimewarpTV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    it's odd that the hits are mainly Panini based and not other card companies.

  • @TheCamaroone1
    @TheCamaroone1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This video isn't 2 weeks old and it already hasn't aged well. Another gem of wisdom by Geoff Wilson

    • @En_Gho
      @En_Gho 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How so?

  • @ChrisTheElectrician
    @ChrisTheElectrician 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Geoff, I actually gained a little respect for you today. Although I disagree with you, the fact that you said an investigation is needed (which I think we all believe) is huge and great that you made that statement.

  • @cookiemang4128
    @cookiemang4128 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All the influencers are getting nothing but loaded boxes

    • @cookiemang4128
      @cookiemang4128 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm done with the hobby at this point no point just wasting money on nobody's cardboard

  • @Johnalive3969
    @Johnalive3969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do you know that the case that the LaMelo came out of was sold by Non other than backyard breaks

  • @pjgarvey650
    @pjgarvey650 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At the end of the day if you actually think Backyard Breaks is not being fed loaded boxes you are a fool. If you want to be a lemming to the hobby then keep those blinders on. Key statement in this conversation, "Absent of the print runs." Exactly!!! There is no transparency whatsoever from Panini. You don't know the print runs, you don't know what is held back - yes Panini holds product back for damage card claims, etc... Whatever is not used up after the 2 year window is then released in Panini Rewards and white/black boxes. There is a history of suspect activity such as the 2021-22 Crown Royale basketball box holo serial numbers where certain serial numbers indicated where the Kabooms were located. Add to this that Panini themselves have been caught red handed in downright egregious actions, most recently high-end redemption cards that customers were waiting years for that all of a sudden are being found for sale. Backyard Breaks has shown many times that they are willing to scam/deceive (Trevor Lawrence Gold Kaboom for example). Panini has shown many times that they cannot be trusted. There is a reason why there is a lack of transparency as it's easier to not be seen when hiding in a cloud of smoke. Could Backyards breaks pull those 4 cards? Of course, just like anyone else could have. However, it's so highly unlikely that they would have that it is almost certainly due to illicit influence.

  • @theloudcollector
    @theloudcollector 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    All it takes is one person, just one person at the third party to create what's going on ... nobody will ever know but definitely shenanigans going on

  • @paulsantos7358
    @paulsantos7358 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Never underestimate the power of GREED.

  • @tommyboy1572
    @tommyboy1572 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What happened to the big hits? Did they break those cases and send them off to customers or did they keep them for themselves?

    • @LuisRodriguez-nv8dv
      @LuisRodriguez-nv8dv ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They have a habit of stealing the big hits specially in giveaway packs

  • @dougl945
    @dougl945 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I worked for a huge jewelry corporation in the 90’s. They had a give-away for $50,000 in jewelry.
    The person in charge of the promotion was to choose the entry from over 65,000 mail in entry forms and store contest entries.
    They announced the winner and I recognized the name.
    (His married sister who didn’t go by her maiden name).
    The second prize was a $15,000 Rolex.
    One in a 65,000 chance that the manager of one of the biggest stores won it.

  • @andy72
    @andy72 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Geoff's barn analogy... 🤦🤦🤦

  • @tylercannon5329
    @tylercannon5329 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's not just them. Seen way too many Kabooms and 1 of 1s pulled on day 1/2 of release by content creators. They're gifted loaded boxes, sheep on the internet see the pulls and then go crazy buying every remaining box driving the price through the roof. Pretty simple marketing if you take your head out of your ass and pay attention.

  • @joshavery4402
    @joshavery4402 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The LaMelo logo man was pulled from a box bought from backyard. That guy who bought the box was there buddy. So more hanky panky

  • @montana01
    @montana01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. 🔥

  • @TypeRTom1383
    @TypeRTom1383 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How did they hit the triple logo man during a what not promotion while they gave several breakers boxes of Flawless?

  • @samcgowan
    @samcgowan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For a youth collector, is it better to get your cards graded, or try to sell raw?

  • @kingcah5407
    @kingcah5407 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’d look at who bought the spot in the breaks and look at who they’re connected. Look to see if there’s consistency in who’s ending up with the cards and also where the money trail is going.