After Jesse Owens returned from Berlin in 1936 he collected an award at a New York hotel, but wasn’t allowed to enter through the front door. The American myth is that he was confronting Hitler’s racism, forgetting he was returning to a segregated country.
I've always said that the Civil War didn't end slavery. It moved slavery from plantations to the public sector and private prisons, and that still stands today.
@@ml3510they didn’t say anything about race, as far as I can read in that very short comment. It definitely ended chattel slavery, which was one of Americas two greatest evils and something worth doing and a great accomplishment. It did not, however, end slavery completely.
I have lived in South Africa for 50 years and this podcast has lots of echoes. The disingenuous nature of racists was sickening under apartheid too. Much food for thought.
I think Scarlett truly illustrates "what does it profit if you gain the whole world and lose your own soul?" I loved the book and the story all my life and when I was younger was flattered beyind words when many told me i looked like Scarlett. But she is abominable and i see that now
LOVE this episode! Great guest! Even better that it brought out the unhinged rage of the soul-sick and misinformed among the mal-educated members of the audience in the comments!
I love Gone with the Wind, an absolute classic, but I have always DESPISED Scarlett O'Hara as a character. She is utterly selfish and self-centered. She backstabs and betrays everyone to get what she wants, even the people who care about her. Her sister, her cousin, her husbands, and even the man she supposedly loves. And she never ever regrets hurting others, it's only when SHE'S the one suffering that she suddenly develops a conscience. It reminds me of a wonderful line from the movie: 'You're like a thief who's not the least bit sorry she stole but very sorry she got caught.' In the end, she does get her home Tara, which is the one thing she honestly loved throughout, but loses everything else, including the man she actually loved and who actually loved her.
I watched it as a teenager in Poland. I didn't have the context of slavery and I only remember the love story, nothing else. Perhaps some people just love the two main characters... although if this was a story trying to glorify communist regime or Germany in 30ties I would protest like Black Americans did in this case.
She had me till the end when she went all in on the “insurrection”genesis in the civil war. And know your enemy means she views people in the USA as her enemy does that mean in her mind there is still a civil with some large amount of people wanting to subrogate black people
A small percentage of Trump voters stormed the capital so I don't think her use of the term "enemy" applies to 40-something percent of American voters.
Actually the last state with masters and slaves was Deleware, which fought for the North in the Civil war. Because they fought for the North, they were exempt from the Emancipation Proclamation and kept their slaves legally until long after the Civil War ended, until the Constitutional Amendment was passed officially ending slavery. Kentucky and Maryland were also slave states that fought for the North but they chose to abolish slavery on their own during the war. They had also been exempt from the Emancipation Proclamation. Missouri is a slave state often incorrectly identified as a Northern state, but it joined the Confederacy and fought for the South.
Missouri was a slave state, but they remained in the Union. In February 1861, Missourians elected delegates to a state convention in Jefferson City to decide whether to secede or remain in the Union. The delegates voted 89 to 1 to remain in the Union. So no, Missouri, as a state body, was not Confederate. This stuff is EASILY googleable, so pick a different falsehood.
No film role has ever been as coveted as Scarlett O’Hara. The only actresses who didn’t aspire to it were Greta Garbo and Lassie (who actually was a male). 🤣❤️
A person born in 1975 wouldn’t have a ground’s eye view of Jim Crow for example. They wouldn’t have experienced firsthand race relations (for example working and living in a multi-racial settings) during the racially turbulent 1950s and 1960s. The cast of characters and range of attitudes and behaviors was much more interesting than she lets on. She strikes me as an imposter.
The klan as an organization started to help reintegrate Confederate soldiers back into society that's why they came up directly after the Civil War had ending. It was transformed into a hate group by Southerners who saw the outcome of the Civil War as a federal occupation. For example the allocation of resources land, water, mineral rights Etc. I red a Confederate soldiers Journal one time and in it he talked about being forced to fight in the war because of the Union scorched Earth policies and he seen his town is being next. He also spoke of being displaced and in poverty because of slavery as an institution in which he derived no benefit only displacement.
This is the problem with any discussion that doesn't recognize that, regardless of the side you fight on, war causes wounds to all sides. Perhaps some people are more or less deserving of the consequences of war, but very few walk away from war without scars of some kind, whether you were on the battlefield or not. The Confederacy was wrong and I'm glad they lost. I say this as a white southerner who knows for a fact had ancestors that fought for the Confederacy. I don't know much about their motivation, but I do know they did not own slaves and were not rich. I don't know how much they cared about slavery, but I can fully believe and understand the desire to defend your state from what you view as aggression. Whether it was the reality or the just the fiction they chose to believe, many southerners saw this war as a defensive action taken against an overbearing federal government. The scars of Sherman's march still dot the landscape of Georgia to this day. The many chimneys standing forlornly in the fields where a family's home once stood, left for posterity so that people wouldn't forget the terrible cost of that war for those caught in Sherman's path.
The original klan started to terrorize blacks. It committed night raids and pulled them out of their homes and murdered them, often torturing them first. They also killed white people who they deemed to not be sufficiently racist.
The movie has offended my sensibilities since before I was old enough to know the issues. Detestable villains are all held up as heroic ideals while the agents of goodness and decency are degraded. Possibly the worst moment is the scene where a group of unsupervised slaves are cheerfully volunteering their labor to their oppressors.
The woman fails to mention the Slave Narratives by the Federal Writers Project 1936-1938 which is a significant primary source on slavery as it involved extensive interviews of former slaves. The surprising aspect of the interviews were the numbers of former slaves who regarded their time as slaves favourably. This surprised everyone. I highly recommend reading the narratives.
@@robertmchugh9024 I suspect you are someone who believes that slavery wasn’t too bad to assuage either family guilt or political beliefs. Regardless of circumstance, people will look back to aspects of their youth fondly. They were healthy and strong, relatives and friends were alive and near, experiences seem more vivid because they were often the first, etc. It is called nostalgia. That lonely old women might trade their lives for their youths as slaves isn’t surprising. It doesn’t mean that slavery wasn’t cruel, brutal and evil. It means that the human spirit can often survive the most evil and horrific of circumstances.
the worst podcast I have ever heard from you guys... I am sorry for you. You, Tom Holand admitted (paraphrasing your podcast on Herodotus) that one cannot fully put himself in someone else shoes, when belonging to different historic periods. The perspective of the lady speaking is not even trying to that....
I don't know how much of an influence the book or the film were. Cherry picking that one or two rioters say its their favorite doesn't prove anything. The book reflected the beliefs that had existed for 70 years already, it didn't create or develop them, and there is nothing to suggest attitudes were altered by it, in fact 30 years later came desegregation and a steady flow against the story's perspective.
The blinkered tunnel vision of some academics shows up, yet again. The film, _Gone With the Wind_ was an international sensation in many, many non-English speaking countries; countries that, although never experienced slavery, sympathized against it, yet were nevertheless compelled to root for people on the losing side of the American Civil War because the main characters (yes, Mamy included) were too mesmerizing to ignore. Another example of when the invited "expert" on the subject almost ruins the episode.
@@fuferito I’d like to know what non-English speaking country never experienced slavery? Many European countries experienced slavery from the Muslim world right up until the Soviet Union was formed. The third world is still experiencing slavery to this day.
This woman would like you to believe Americans are unaware of the facts of slavery. We are well aware. If you went to school in america, there is no way you don’t know about slavery and the aftermath.
Agreed, both are barbaric and cruel, but there's a difference between forcing someone to work with the intention of keeping them alive to extract as much value as you can and forcing someone to work with the intention of stripping them of every ounce of dignity to inflict as much suffering as possible before executing them.
This was very interesting to listen to. There's no nuance, no ambiguity, not a single shadow of a doubt in your guest's mind, which is not a common trait of historians. To her, there seems to exist a very clearly distinguishable line between white supremacists - basically every single person in the south during the period she covers - and the forces of good. Still, I'm going to watch some reviews from youtubers subscribe. The thing is that she makes it look like if you like the book or the movie, you're a bad person. Keep up the good work, guys!
I’ve been loving dozens upon dozens upon dozens of your videos but wtf is this? I’m at your break and all you’ve done is talk about how this book is about racism. Talk about the book, not what other people say about the book.
Churchwell sounds like an AWFL. I'd have liked to hear her talk about Mammy more, how she called the Reconstruction black legislators 'trash,' how her opinion was the only one Rhett cared about, and how she was--along with Melanie--the only truly faithful character.
I think it’s wrong to blame the land I’m not American, but getting married on an ex slave/cotton plantation shouldn’t be an issue. No one survives these farms/ plantation. Nor slave nor master If you have avoid any piece of land where an atrocity was perpetrated. I’m afraid you wouldn’t be able to to walk around, think of the hoover dam wall, then go to China and experience the Great Wall of China See what I mean Stop blaming the actual earth beneath your feet
@54:11, the guest goes WAY left wing political, and implicitly calls Trump supporters racist. I am a Trump supporter! Half of the USA voted for Trump! According to her, we are like the KKK! I downvote this vid in total disgust!
Fun comparing the year 2000 Taliban destruction of the Buddhas in Afghanistan and the destruction/removal of Confederate statues in the US. Both events are induced by identical motives, historical reality standing in the way of an invented history being artificially imposed on a population. Ironically, the kne place where you can find treasured Confederate statues and Rebel Flags proudly flying is Brazil hahaha. Confederates (Confederados) went there fleeing political persecution and corruption in the US and transformed Brazil's agricultural industry.
I think that's more of an idiosyncrasy demanded by the censors of the time and the tone that the movie was going for. As you may know, there was some controversy as to whether the word "damn" could be used in the movie at all. Eventually the motion picture censors relented. Gable reads the line in such a way that expresses his contempt for Scarlett's behavior without seeming unnecessarily cruel or bitter. I don't give a DAMN would have emphasized the profanity of the final line (contrary to the censors' wishes), and made the character seem vindictive. I don't GIVE a damn, de-emphasizes the profanity and softens the line reading somewhat. Rhett Butler isn't saying those words to be cruel per se--it's just that he's fed up, exasperated and can't take any more. As an American, I can assure you that we emphasize words differently depending on the context and emotion intended, just as British people do.
This interview is borderline 'Woke' propaganda. Agreed there was a lot of Southern propaganda in 'Gone with the Wind" but there was also a sense that the institution of slavery was doomed in the movie. The only person who had a realistic view of the Southern war cause was Rhett Butler who spoke with brutal candor to a band of arrogant, powdered wig hotheads, leading to his general ostracism. Regarding the prison as a substitute for slavery, the high rates of imprisonment of African Americans in the "free" north in 2020's is largely because crime rates are demographically commensurate with criminal violence committed by some unmentionable demographic. A person can be against racism, pro-14th amendment, seeking equality, and still realize this is true. January 6th was not an insurrection. This is more woke propaganda. It was a political riot no different than any other. We had a year of violent riots in 2020 endorsed by politicians. There were a smattering of 2 or 3 confederate flags among ten's of thousands of Yankee flags. Give me an example of any rioter other than the 0.1% who endorsed a racist confederacy.
What do you mean by Yankee flag? The American stars and stripes flag? Not looking for a fight, I do not know and am curious. ----------------------- IMHO, because the target of the political riot was the US Congress this makes it an insurrection. insurrection : a violent uprising against an authority or government. PS hehe.. small internet. I checked out your channel... I also mirrored philhellenes on my other channel : NYCAustinNYC
@@austinsmith3011 Exactly what you say. There is a tendency to conflate confederacy with the modern right, especially the Jan 6th riot. A tiny fraction of them had racist motives or confederate motives. The flag they were waving was the union (Yankee) flag 1000's with maybe 3 confederate. The media focusses on the 3 confederate flags because it is better for narrative optics.
@@CHAS1422 Thank you for your response. kk, I am middle aged now but I never heard the Stars and Stripes called the Yankee flag before. But I have only been to the South once when I was a teenager for a week. hehe.. speaking of Yankee... I did live in the South Korea for years where I found it VERY strange that all Americans are called Yankee as an insult. So even a South Carolinian or Georgian would be a Yankee in South Korea. I grew up in Long Island, so I am a Yankee and proud of it.
@@austinsmith3011 I have 3 ancestors who were union soldiers. 1 of them a blue blood Yankee. Appreciate your story. By the way, In my comment about Jan 6th, I am not condoning or supporting, I simply prefer to characterize the fools errand rioters by what they say about themselves. I am sick of 'woke' scapegoating, heaping all the western sins on these misguided people.
@@CHAS1422 I have at least one ancestor who was a union soldier. He was in Sherman's army and was there for Sherman's march to the sea. My family is still in possession of his saber and musket. According to what I was told as a child he was so horrified by what he saw after the war he became a pacifist. Fair point about the woke scapegoating. Politically I lean Left but I no fan of the woke and consider them a cancer on both American Left and on America in general. I should have mentioned above I was called a Yankee by a Korean in South Korea when exploring my new neighborhood I walked into a bar I was VERY unwelcome in because of my skin color or because they assumed correctly I am American. I was very confused at the time because I had no idea that the Korean was trying to insult me. lol.. I can only imagine how much more confused I would have been if I was a Southerner.
It is a great film. I have watched it several times flying from Tokyo to Houston. Fun to think about if the Confederacy had won independence, there would have been no Spanish-American War, likely no Vietnam, no Korean War, no Iraq or Afghanistan. Strange to think how different the world would be.
As a quick postscript, I looked up her educational background…it’s so easy to spot these folks, Vassar and Princeton. 😂 She probably listens to Maddow reruns nightly and has met no one outside of the Left for years. Hey, obviously she is a real scholar and writes well, but she shows her hand so easily.
@@adrianseanheidmann4559 slavery had little to do with the Civil War. The last slave state was Deleware, which fought for the North. Because they fought for the North they were exempt from the Emancipation Proclamation and legally kept their slaves long after the end of the Civil War. Kentucky and Maryland were also slave states that fought for the North, but they passed laws against it during the war. Many people think Missouri fought for the North, another slave state, but it joined the Confederacy.
Less than 1% of Southerners owned slaves, yet this guest paints the entire South - and Margaret Mitchell herself - with a very wide racist brush. And the Brits - who know only that Civil War history which is fed to them on a tarnished platter by the woke cultural historians - simply drift along on the sea of endless lies, generalizations, distortions and outright libel. Disgusting.
After Jesse Owens returned from Berlin in 1936 he collected an award at a New York hotel, but wasn’t allowed to enter through the front door. The American myth is that he was confronting Hitler’s racism, forgetting he was returning to a segregated country.
I've always said that the Civil War didn't end slavery. It moved slavery from plantations to the public sector and private prisons, and that still stands today.
@@proletar-ian this statement makes no sense. Are you trying to say private prisons only serve black prisoners?
@@ml3510they didn’t say anything about race, as far as I can read in that very short comment.
It definitely ended chattel slavery, which was one of Americas two greatest evils and something worth doing and a great accomplishment. It did not, however, end slavery completely.
@@Blake900 your comment makes no sense. The subject matter is slavery and only people were slaves.
I have lived in South Africa for 50 years and this podcast has lots of echoes. The disingenuous nature of racists was sickening under apartheid too. Much food for thought.
I think Scarlett truly illustrates "what does it profit if you gain the whole world and lose your own soul?" I loved the book and the story all my life and when I was younger was flattered beyind words when many told me i looked like Scarlett. But she is abominable and i see that now
This was one of the best podcasts so far! I loved the guest, and the way she was actually able to answer almost all of the questions fluently.
Yes, very impressive guest. Must get her book.
Almost all?
Please do a podcast on Alex Haley’s Roots.
LOVE this episode! Great guest! Even better that it brought out the unhinged rage of the soul-sick and misinformed among the mal-educated members of the audience in the comments!
I love Gone with the Wind, an absolute classic, but I have always DESPISED Scarlett O'Hara as a character. She is utterly selfish and self-centered. She backstabs and betrays everyone to get what she wants, even the people who care about her. Her sister, her cousin, her husbands, and even the man she supposedly loves. And she never ever regrets hurting others, it's only when SHE'S the one suffering that she suddenly develops a conscience. It reminds me of a wonderful line from the movie: 'You're like a thief who's not the least bit sorry she stole but very sorry she got caught.' In the end, she does get her home Tara, which is the one thing she honestly loved throughout, but loses everything else, including the man she actually loved and who actually loved her.
Consistently high quality content. Many thanks.
I watched it as a teenager in Poland. I didn't have the context of slavery and I only remember the love story, nothing else. Perhaps some people just love the two main characters... although if this was a story trying to glorify communist regime or Germany in 30ties I would protest like Black Americans did in this case.
She had me till the end when she went all in on the “insurrection”genesis in the civil war. And know your enemy means she views people in the USA as her enemy does that mean in her mind there is still a civil with some large amount of people wanting to subrogate black people
She... her name is Sarah Churchwell,
and the book is:
*The Wrath to Come: Gone with the Wind and the Lies America Tells*
A small percentage of Trump voters stormed the capital so I don't think her use of the term "enemy" applies to 40-something percent of American voters.
There actually is
Actually the last state with masters and slaves was Deleware, which fought for the North in the Civil war. Because they fought for the North, they were exempt from the Emancipation Proclamation and kept their slaves legally until long after the Civil War ended, until the Constitutional Amendment was passed officially ending slavery. Kentucky and Maryland were also slave states that fought for the North but they chose to abolish slavery on their own during the war. They had also been exempt from the Emancipation Proclamation. Missouri is a slave state often incorrectly identified as a Northern state, but it joined the Confederacy and fought for the South.
Kentucky actually remained neutral. We had soldiers on both sides , some even being brothers .
Missouri was a slave state, but they remained in the Union.
In February 1861, Missourians elected delegates to a state convention in Jefferson City to decide whether to secede or remain in the Union. The delegates voted 89 to 1 to remain in the Union. So no, Missouri, as a state body, was not Confederate.
This stuff is EASILY googleable, so pick a different falsehood.
No film role has ever been as coveted as Scarlett O’Hara. The only actresses who didn’t aspire to it were Greta Garbo and Lassie (who actually was a male). 🤣❤️
A person born in 1975 wouldn’t have a ground’s eye view of Jim Crow for example. They wouldn’t have experienced firsthand race relations (for example working and living in a multi-racial settings) during the racially turbulent 1950s and 1960s. The cast of characters and range of attitudes and behaviors was much more interesting than she lets on. She strikes me as an imposter.
The klan as an organization started to help reintegrate Confederate soldiers back into society that's why they came up directly after the Civil War had ending. It was transformed into a hate group by Southerners who saw the outcome of the Civil War as a federal occupation. For example the allocation of resources land, water, mineral rights Etc. I red a Confederate soldiers Journal one time and in it he talked about being forced to fight in the war because of the Union scorched Earth policies and he seen his town is being next. He also spoke of being displaced and in poverty because of slavery as an institution in which he derived no benefit only displacement.
This is the problem with any discussion that doesn't recognize that, regardless of the side you fight on, war causes wounds to all sides. Perhaps some people are more or less deserving of the consequences of war, but very few walk away from war without scars of some kind, whether you were on the battlefield or not. The Confederacy was wrong and I'm glad they lost. I say this as a white southerner who knows for a fact had ancestors that fought for the Confederacy. I don't know much about their motivation, but I do know they did not own slaves and were not rich. I don't know how much they cared about slavery, but I can fully believe and understand the desire to defend your state from what you view as aggression. Whether it was the reality or the just the fiction they chose to believe, many southerners saw this war as a defensive action taken against an overbearing federal government.
The scars of Sherman's march still dot the landscape of Georgia to this day. The many chimneys standing forlornly in the fields where a family's home once stood, left for posterity so that people wouldn't forget the terrible cost of that war for those caught in Sherman's path.
The original klan started to terrorize blacks. It committed night raids and pulled them out of their homes and murdered them, often torturing them first. They also killed white people who they deemed to not be sufficiently racist.
The movie has offended my sensibilities since before I was old enough to know the issues. Detestable villains are all held up as heroic ideals while the agents of goodness and decency are degraded. Possibly the worst moment is the scene where a group of unsupervised slaves are cheerfully volunteering their labor to their oppressors.
I have never heard of an "ideal slave plantation" in my life?
This story was about the destruction of the south not really about slavery
The woman fails to mention the Slave Narratives by the Federal Writers Project 1936-1938 which is a significant primary source on slavery as it involved extensive interviews of former slaves. The surprising aspect of the interviews were the numbers of former slaves who regarded their time as slaves favourably. This surprised everyone. I highly recommend reading the narratives.
@@robertmchugh9024 I suspect you are someone who believes that slavery wasn’t too bad to assuage either family guilt or political beliefs. Regardless of circumstance, people will look back to aspects of their youth fondly. They were healthy and strong, relatives and friends were alive and near, experiences seem more vivid because they were often the first, etc. It is called nostalgia. That lonely old women might trade their lives for their youths as slaves isn’t surprising. It doesn’t mean that slavery wasn’t cruel, brutal and evil. It means that the human spirit can often survive the most evil and horrific of circumstances.
the worst podcast I have ever heard from you guys... I am sorry for you. You, Tom Holand admitted (paraphrasing your podcast on Herodotus) that one cannot fully put himself in someone else shoes, when belonging to different historic periods. The perspective of the lady speaking is not even trying to that....
I don't know how much of an influence the book or the film were. Cherry picking that one or two rioters say its their favorite doesn't prove anything. The book reflected the beliefs that had existed for 70 years already, it didn't create or develop them, and there is nothing to suggest attitudes were altered by it, in fact 30 years later came desegregation and a steady flow against the story's perspective.
You have no idea how many of the post-Civil war lies deliberately promulgated by Southerners still persist.
The blinkered tunnel vision of some academics shows up, yet again.
The film, _Gone With the Wind_ was an international sensation in many, many non-English speaking countries; countries that, although never experienced slavery, sympathized against it, yet were nevertheless compelled to root for people on the losing side of the American Civil War because the main characters (yes, Mamy included) were too mesmerizing to ignore.
Another example of when the invited "expert" on the subject almost ruins the episode.
Not almost. She pulled it into the race debate. The clue was in the title of the movie, a fantasy sugar floss romance in a bygone era.
@@fuferito I’d like to know what non-English speaking country never experienced slavery? Many European countries experienced slavery from the Muslim world right up until the Soviet Union was formed. The third world is still experiencing slavery to this day.
This woman would like you to believe Americans are unaware of the facts of slavery. We are well aware. If you went to school in america, there is no way you don’t know about slavery and the aftermath.
This response ignores the massive influence of The Myth of the Lost Cause, a Big Lie still influencing all of America.
@ it was a big lie but it is not still influencing all of America. That is the big lie.
@@thomaswalker657 Thomas grow up. It was a movie like many movies of that period or movies of today that have nothing to do with reality.
Your guest is not just wrong, but stunningly wrong. Odd to hear this on your superb podcast.
The only part I disagree with is the comparison between slave-owning plantations and Nazi concentration camps. Other than that, great interview.
Agreed, both are barbaric and cruel, but there's a difference between forcing someone to work with the intention of keeping them alive to extract as much value as you can and forcing someone to work with the intention of stripping them of every ounce of dignity to inflict as much suffering as possible before executing them.
Is there really?
This woman compared getting married at a former plantation to doing the same at Dachau. I'm out.
Plantations are attractive and make for pretty pictures. Concentration camps are grim and mostly destroyed.
I more compare it to a labor camp, but getting married at a pretty labor camp is still bad.
It's seriously of bad taste to get married at a fucking plantation though.
This was very interesting to listen to. There's no nuance, no ambiguity, not a single shadow of a doubt in your guest's mind, which is not a common trait of historians. To her, there seems to exist a very clearly distinguishable line between white supremacists - basically every single person in the south during the period she covers - and the forces of good. Still, I'm going to watch some reviews from youtubers subscribe. The thing is that she makes it look like if you like the book or the movie, you're a bad person. Keep up the good work, guys!
@@Federico1685 and back still again… lol
@@Time_Is_Left Kept you busy, hein? Mission accomplished.
@@Federico1685 very. Still going even
I can't believe yall didn't use the theme of Gone with the Wind in the opening. What were yall thinking? I mean really!
I’ve been loving dozens upon dozens upon dozens of your videos but wtf is this? I’m at your break and all you’ve done is talk about how this book is about racism. Talk about the book, not what other people say about the book.
There's no way any of the Jan 6ers have actually read a 1037 page novel lol
The northern southern divide lives KO!
Ah yes. We re all deplorables. And the northern myth of virtue lives on.
Unlike the morons who think Joe Biden got 81 million votes.
There's no doubt the left have read Mine Kamp
I mean MEIN KAMF
This woman is an absolute disgrace. You have a wonderful show, but you should be ashamed to have her on. Especially when you don’t push back.
Push back against what?
Nobody talked about an ideal slave plantation. Who is this woman talking to??
Churchwell sounds like an AWFL. I'd have liked to hear her talk about Mammy more, how she called the Reconstruction black legislators 'trash,' how her opinion was the only one Rhett cared about, and how she was--along with Melanie--the only truly faithful character.
I think it’s wrong to blame the land
I’m not American, but getting married on an ex slave/cotton plantation shouldn’t be an issue. No one survives these farms/ plantation. Nor slave nor master
If you have avoid any piece of land where an atrocity was perpetrated. I’m afraid you wouldn’t be able to to walk around, think of the hoover dam wall, then go to China and experience the Great Wall of China
See what I mean
Stop blaming the actual earth beneath your feet
@54:11, the guest goes WAY left wing political, and implicitly calls Trump supporters racist. I am a Trump supporter! Half of the USA voted for Trump! According to her, we are like the KKK! I downvote this vid in total disgust!
Hard as a European seeing the stupidity of Trump and what he says and does as anything but Trump being an old style confederate and racist
49% are racist
Fun comparing the year 2000 Taliban destruction of the Buddhas in Afghanistan and the destruction/removal of Confederate statues in the US. Both events are induced by identical motives, historical reality standing in the way of an invented history being artificially imposed on a population. Ironically, the kne place where you can find treasured Confederate statues and Rebel Flags proudly flying is Brazil hahaha. Confederates (Confederados) went there fleeing political persecution and corruption in the US and transformed Brazil's agricultural industry.
Can anyone explain why Americans say:
...dont GIVE a damn.
while in British English we say:
...don't give a DAMN.
I think that's more of an idiosyncrasy demanded by the censors of the time and the tone that the movie was going for. As you may know, there was some controversy as to whether the word "damn" could be used in the movie at all. Eventually the motion picture censors relented. Gable reads the line in such a way that expresses his contempt for Scarlett's behavior without seeming unnecessarily cruel or bitter. I don't give a DAMN would have emphasized the profanity of the final line (contrary to the censors' wishes), and made the character seem vindictive. I don't GIVE a damn, de-emphasizes the profanity and softens the line reading somewhat. Rhett Butler isn't saying those words to be cruel per se--it's just that he's fed up, exasperated and can't take any more. As an American, I can assure you that we emphasize words differently depending on the context and emotion intended, just as British people do.
Gone With The Wind is the difference. To the extent that Americans say it the way you suggest, it's because that's the way Rhett Butler said it.
Because the British are wrong, obviously.
Heat not light in this episode...
This comment section is amazing. So many screeching about "mUh woKE prOpAgAndA"
This interview is borderline 'Woke' propaganda. Agreed there was a lot of Southern propaganda in 'Gone with the Wind" but there was also a sense that the institution of slavery was doomed in the movie. The only person who had a realistic view of the Southern war cause was Rhett Butler who spoke with brutal candor to a band of arrogant, powdered wig hotheads, leading to his general ostracism.
Regarding the prison as a substitute for slavery, the high rates of imprisonment of African Americans in the "free" north in 2020's is largely because crime rates are demographically commensurate with criminal violence committed by some unmentionable demographic. A person can be against racism, pro-14th amendment, seeking equality, and still realize this is true.
January 6th was not an insurrection. This is more woke propaganda. It was a political riot no different than any other. We had a year of violent riots in 2020 endorsed by politicians. There were a smattering of 2 or 3 confederate flags among ten's of thousands of Yankee flags. Give me an example of any rioter other than the 0.1% who endorsed a racist confederacy.
What do you mean by Yankee flag? The American stars and stripes flag? Not looking for a fight, I do not know and am curious.
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IMHO, because the target of the political riot was the US Congress this makes it an insurrection.
insurrection : a violent uprising against an authority or government.
PS
hehe.. small internet. I checked out your channel... I also mirrored philhellenes on my other channel : NYCAustinNYC
@@austinsmith3011 Exactly what you say. There is a tendency to conflate confederacy with the modern right, especially the Jan 6th riot. A tiny fraction of them had racist motives or confederate motives. The flag they were waving was the union (Yankee) flag 1000's with maybe 3 confederate. The media focusses on the 3 confederate flags because it is better for narrative optics.
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Thank you for your response. kk, I am middle aged now but I never heard the Stars and Stripes called the Yankee flag before. But I have only been to the South once when I was a teenager for a week.
hehe.. speaking of Yankee... I did live in the South Korea for years where I found it VERY strange that all Americans are called Yankee as an insult. So even a South Carolinian or Georgian would be a Yankee in South Korea.
I grew up in Long Island, so I am a Yankee and proud of it.
@@austinsmith3011 I have 3 ancestors who were union soldiers. 1 of them a blue blood Yankee. Appreciate your story. By the way, In my comment about Jan 6th, I am not condoning or supporting, I simply prefer to characterize the fools errand rioters by what they say about themselves. I am sick of 'woke' scapegoating, heaping all the western sins on these misguided people.
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I have at least one ancestor who was a union soldier. He was in Sherman's army and was there for Sherman's march to the sea. My family is still in possession of his saber and musket. According to what I was told as a child he was so horrified by what he saw after the war he became a pacifist.
Fair point about the woke scapegoating. Politically I lean Left but I no fan of the woke and consider them a cancer on both American Left and on America in general.
I should have mentioned above I was called a Yankee by a Korean in South Korea when exploring my new neighborhood I walked into a bar I was VERY unwelcome in because of my skin color or because they assumed correctly I am American. I was very confused at the time because I had no idea that the Korean was trying to insult me. lol.. I can only imagine how much more confused I would have been if I was a Southerner.
Just another woke activist masquerading as an historian. Ask about her views on the 1619 project.
It is a great film. I have watched it several times flying from Tokyo to Houston. Fun to think about if the Confederacy had won independence, there would have been no Spanish-American War, likely no Vietnam, no Korean War, no Iraq or Afghanistan. Strange to think how different the world would be.
The confederate states would have join the Nazis. Such fun!
As a quick postscript, I looked up her educational background…it’s so easy to spot these folks, Vassar and Princeton. 😂 She probably listens to Maddow reruns nightly and has met no one outside of the Left for years. Hey, obviously she is a real scholar and writes well, but she shows her hand so easily.
You're revealing your reverse snobbery with this comment. And your lack of any meaningful education.
This silly Woke woman of a guest is seriously annoying. This is the worst "The Rest Is History" episode to date.
It is horrifying listening to literate people giving this woman a platform. Dark times.
@@joebombero1 only to people whose closest approximation to literacy is being able to spell it.
Just more woke BS.
Why?
Sad, isn't it?
@@adrianseanheidmann4559 slavery had little to do with the Civil War. The last slave state was Deleware, which fought for the North. Because they fought for the North they were exempt from the Emancipation Proclamation and legally kept their slaves long after the end of the Civil War. Kentucky and Maryland were also slave states that fought for the North, but they passed laws against it during the war. Many people think Missouri fought for the North, another slave state, but it joined the Confederacy.
@@joebombero1 "slavery had little to do with the Civil War." Of course my dear.
By woke if you mean accurate history ,
I ❤️ your podcast, but this guest is so wrong on so many levels that it’s scandalous. And shame on the two of you for nodding in agreement.
Explain yourself
Yes, pls do. I’m interested.
Look forward to your evidence and perspectives.
Sure, kiddo
Less than 1% of Southerners owned slaves, yet this guest paints the entire South - and Margaret Mitchell herself - with a very wide racist brush. And the Brits - who know only that Civil War history which is fed to them on a tarnished platter by the woke cultural historians - simply drift along on the sea of endless lies, generalizations, distortions and outright libel. Disgusting.
I had to turn it off after hearing the term white supremacy.
I mean, in the context of the Civil War it's pretty apt, no?
Why?
The woman talking on this podcast is very racist. Thumbs down.
Her name is Sarah Churchwell,
Book:
*The Wrath to Come: Gone with the Wind and the Lies America Tells*
racist? Really?
Not exactly