Fallout TV Show Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- I have now watched all 8 episodes, so let's talk about the Fallout TV show. Caution: there are spoilers!
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My good friend Nate here in Florida is a well known cosplayer. The dead assaultron laying in the sand in episode 2 is actually his costume that they bought from him to use. He had to keep it secret for a long, long time and was super excited to finally see it on the screen.
that's sooo cool, tell him he did a great job on it lol
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@@jetrifle4209 the part that it was a cosplay is true. you can fact check it online.
that’s amazing! how you know showrunners care about the show.
@@jetrifle4209rude
It's official, Tim Cain is a self-confessed Murder-Hobo! 😆
Hey, we’ve all been a murder hobo once or twice.
@@CainOnGames I'm glad you liked the show Tim, I thought it was great, my only gripe was the lack of deathclaws and Super-Mutants, but that leaves something for season 2. The lore changes were fine in my book, making Vault-Tec, Big MT, and others the conspirators was a great touch, and explained all the weird Vault experiments perfectly. I'm glad the enclave got a place as well.
@@CainOnGames my mr shank from fallout 2 will always be my alter ego. Stabbing before asking is just fun sometimes i guess
@@CainOnGames or all the time. And in the game.
@@Carcerianconsidering that Sinclair was the only nice rich pre-War guy, it's a terrible lore change.
Giving Ghouls a healing factor (outside of a high rad area) is also bad.
And bombing Shady Sands screws over New Vegas.
Though most of the "Lore changes" seem to mess with NV.
The part with the "water chip broke and we only have two months" FO1 reference was a bit weird, because no one talked about it later. 😂
Because it was a lie to elect the supervisor of 31
@@giancarlo5945 damn I must be stupid I never caught on to that. I just assumed that they were willfully ignorant of trying to change their situation but this does make since. I suppose I got too distracted from the vault 31 stuff.
@@dmsnotesadventuresofthethi779 even if it wasn't a lie, they had vaults 32 and 31 as well they could've gone to to get their water filter
They weren't dead in the water (excuse the pun) just yet
@@blinkachu5275That was honestly probably what they told the vault dwellers. “Vault 31 had a spare.”
Oooo member when the story was actually original?
Yes exactly! I thought the same!
Lucy: First playthrough
Maximus: second playthrough
Ghoul: third playthrough
Almost exactly what I said
3 different levels of experience with the game just like they have 3 different levels of experience with the outside world.
Lucy: FO3
Maximus: Tactics
Ghoul: New Vegas
I was gonna say, Lucy's arc reminded me a lot of when I first ever played fallout. Coming out of the vault and just learning as I went along. Brought me back to those days watching her. And like you said, I definitely play the games a lot more like Cooper when I hop on these days
@@Nicolatteaur When the show adds a character running around in spotted underwear and shooting a pink handmade rifle with explosive rounds you know its 76.
Lucy-FP: Let's see what is under this rock.
Maximus-FP: I WANT THAT POWER ARMOR AND SMASH EVERYONE TO BITS.
Ghoul-FP: I can do this all day. Full Perception/Endurance/Agility.
You are mocking me with this thumbnail, Tim.
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(Not so) fun fact! In South Korea, there are very sad and lonely guys who think any time they see the two fingers close together, it’s mocking them. It doesn’t matter the context or if it’s a single second or even single frame. They will try to cancel whatever it is.
Üzme kendini kral :D
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I love how you didn't pull the "I made Fallout" card. I also love how you, as one of the creators of Fallout still theorize about Fallout. Your acceptance of other storytellers' take on the franchise is really commendable.
Did you not see the video about the special treatment he gets from Bethesda?
@@GypsumGeneration yes, he gets that because he is a person like @browney described, no one invites selfish people like the other dude.
@@GypsumGeneration No. Wdym?
@@kaanozkuscu5079 Leonard? Oh is that why Leonard is always checked out of these things? Is he anti-Beth or something?
My favorite 'easteregg' so far was Cooper wanting to buy a 5 acre farm in Bakersfield....
Bakersfield shows up as Necropolis in Fallout and Cooper turns soI thought it hilarious he thought he is safe there haha
I grew up in Bako. That's funny.
Bakersfield is truly a meme among Californians lol, there’s a reason why they chose Bakersfield to be Necropolis
@dathunderman4 yes. And it's a meme even to those of us from there "armpit of California" lol
Disappointed that there weren't any fallout 76 eastereggs
Necropolis isn’t particularly worse than the rest of the wasteland, it’s just populated by ghouls.
I agree that vault tec was planning on nuking but didnt actually, they had so many unfinished vaults. You'd think they'd finish construction on all their projects before pushing the button.
It also just feels very realistic that there would be a half dozen factions that all thought they were super clever and ahead of everybody else, but events were really just spiraling out of everybody's control. Vault Tec would have gotten overconfident because they thought they were the only ones that could control the timing. But there were too many fingers on too many buttons.
"US was going to defeat China, so China responded to territorial invasion with nukes" is *also* a perfectly plausible scenario, no matter how much other lore gets laid alongside it. I like that it's vague. Vague feels honest. It's always layers with war, history becomes like an onion where you keep peeling back layers to find deeper causes. If they set a Fallout game in China, I am sure all the information in China that the player could find would blame events on the US government, etc.
in the endcard of episode8 you see a billboard, advertising for CryoTubes.
VaultTec definitely plan to sell even more slots for the upcoming Armageddon, there is no way they woulda nuked before they found a way to control the situation on who will make it to the future
Doesn't Operation:Anchorage confirm Chinese spies gave their gov the Intel on VaultTec planning to drop the bombs so they decided to get the jump on the US while they were scrambling to get their ducks in a row?
Well we know vault tec did drop nukes in America because we can find an unexploded VT nuke in Megaton. We also know the corporations had taken over n had amassed more money than the government was worth making them huge assets to the US. In my mind, I think peace talks were to be had between US n China but when VT found out about it, they jumped the shark before the public could find out. That could be why the weather guy at the start was talking about how the nukes could go off any day now even though we know there were plans for peace talks. Or I could be getting the lore wrong. Pls correct me if I'm wrong 🙏
You're not seeing the big picture. Most of the vaults didn't matter. You heard her cut them loose on their own in the board meeting. They were squabbling. Only certain vaults were given central priority. That didn't go over my head.
The three protagonists basically being player character builds doing the same campaign but via different routes / sidequests was BRILLIANT. It translated so well into TV. Never expected the show to be as good as it was.
Yeah I have to admit I wanted it to be a continuation of the dumpster fire that bugthesda is but, It was pretty good I have to admit. Some people say the chem Cooper was taking the stave off turning is a retcon but, I disagree. In Nuka World in FO4 you do a mission (I forget everyones names) where you help a Ghoul find his ghoulfriend who was on the trail of such a chem IIRC.
@@maximvsdread1610 There is a large amount of precedent for rad drugs being developed during the war that cause ghoulification in the lore, so really its a GOOD retcon in my opinion, because i think they are working towards Coop having a ghoul back story similar Eddie winters ro Hancock, where he didn't just ghoulifiy naturally, reason for this is because every other ghoul we see going fearl has mental problems but never huge shut downs, but when coop is withdrawing for lack of a better term, he seems sick, not like he is going crazy, which leads me to believe his ghoulification is different enough that his symptoms are completely different from other ghouls So i honestly feel like the retcon is to highlight this difference.
@@ZombieKitty321 Yeah. Could be...lol... :)
@@maximvsdread1610why would you want something that you enjoy to be a dumpster fire? I just can’t get behind that logic. This is the issue I have with Fallout fans is that they LOOK for ways to hate on the IP they love. If you don’t like it, that fine, but wanting it to be bad before you even watch it is just silly
@@Tegemanator101 I never loved them. They sh*t on the lore. They sh*t on Obsidian. FO4 was a sh*t RPG. 76 was them sh*tt*ing on the ones that did Love them. They will never make ES6 or FO5. AND IF THEY DO.... It will be a bigger disappointment than Starfield. I'm just reading the tea leaves and enjoying the warmth of a toasty dumpster fire that's well deserved.
It would be so cool to see the original Fallout devs get a cameo in the next season
He should play his same character from Nuka break
@@Kawmbat_Veteran It would be so sool if you touched grass and tried speaking to actual people in person, you absolute mentalist.
@@Kawmbat_Veteranbro do u realize this review is by the creator of fallout…
@@forrestnolan1168 uh check again, Fallout was created by a few people. He was just one of the creators, clearly he was one of the guys who went and got coffee for Todd, Chris, Josh and the rest of them. Of course he will say "oh the show was so great." He most likely got paid by Amazon to say that. Anyone who likes your comment is just riding you because they're just as clueless how games are made.
@@Kawmbat_Veteranhe's like the main reason we have fallout stfu and respect tim cain you pleebian
I wish this video was 3x longer, could listen to you talk Fallout all day
Agreed. Tim, please considering doing a deeper dive review, maybe episode by episode if you're up to it.
I started with the Fallout and stayed for the 90's programming. Check out his playlists, so good.
Not gonna lie I wish Tim would bless us with 1h long videos :D It's hard to watch them all but when I do sit and watch him, I could sit and listen to him for hours :D
Agreed. Tim could do hour long vids in general and I'd watch. The guy is just interesting.
Same
The only thing they didn't do, that I wish they'd done, was bring Ron Perlman in to say "War… war never changes" 😊
Hoping he shows up as the Vault-Tec CEO in a future season and says it himself.
@@Wylkus42 yep. it's exciting to think how much can be added in future seasons.
Ron is not very popular right now in Hollywood due to his outspoken opinions regarding his political beliefs and Hollywood elites. I don't know if he has been blackballed entirely, but his presence in productions has definitely decreased. The actor's guild holds a lot of sway in the industry and if you don't march in lockstep with their narrative you do not succeed without large outside backers.
@@DookRahool Oh, I was not aware. Thanks.
@@ashuggtube Yeah, it's unfortunate, I enjoy Ron's acting and VO work. I don't believe that those things should matter in a professional setting. It is what it is nowadays, optics and all, I guess.
Todd Howard confirmed in a interview that nuking of Shady Sands happened shortly after events of Fallout New Vegas (2281) and that Fallout 1, 2, FNV and Tactics are also still canon. "Fall of Shady Sands 2277" is not referencing nuking in 2277, but something different.
Wait Tactics is Canon? i thought Tactics was considered Loose Canon
@@Burning_Soul they previously said Tactics and BoS weren't canon but Emil put out an official timeline and it does now include Tactics, so they seemingly went back on that. I think BoS is still non-canon though.
@@ltbqI actually would’ve preferred if they remade it and then make that canon
@@ltbq Tactics is the only game ive not looked into at all, What made it non-canon originally?
@@ltbqEmil also said some wild stuff about canon the past week, including stuff that was so off base that he needed to go back on it (fallout 4 guy was in the intro to fallout 1?)
so we should probably take anything that’s not directly confirmed in a piece of media with a massive grain of salt
I really enjoyed Ep. 4. The one where Cooper drags Lucy around and they meet a ghoul named Rog and Lucy finds out the consequences of her accidentally destroying Cooper's vials. Then, Cooper has to put him down as a result. Later in the same episode, she releases a bunch of ghouls in a Super Duper Mart and has to do the same with Martha. The episode then ends with Lucy saving Cooper by bringing him the vials despite what he put her through. The tone of the episode was pretty much close with the original Fallout in that you could do everything right and still lose but still not give up anyway.
The shootout on the bridge was also chef's kiss. She really tried to be better, and that got Maximus shot.
That episode also serves to introduce people to Ghouls as a concept too, as up to this point you’ve only seen Cooper who is still fully functional
"No good deed goes unpunished "
Episode 4 was an incredible hour of TV. It captures the whole idea of why people play RPGs, Fallout in particular. And it even works as a self-contained story because of how tight Lucy/Cooper plot is.
Sadly, Episode 5 is where the series started to lose me because it diverged more and more into signature Jonathan Nolan's tract (see later seasons of Westworld). And I did not appreciate changes to the lore.
So agree!
Tim is literally a legend, so positive. Must feel incredible seeing something you worked on from the beginning evolve into such an IP and now with a show too.
Yes! The guy with the “water filter” I loves that part! I told my wife that scene felt straight out of fallout, especially the end where he says “thanks for not shootin me with that gun” 😂
“A fella hand you a bottle of clean water, ya drink it. Even if you’re not thirsty, ya drink it”
Loved that line. He’s a genuine good dude but comes off as rude and entitled due to the common sense sentiments of the surface dwellers. He’s just doing as his mamma taught him 🥺
I hope that guys Lucy's love interest after everything is said and done, he legit is just a chill wastelander lol
Funny because to me that scene had every negative feature of the show dialed up to the max.
The jokes are so obvious and fall so flat it is insane, I can imagine the same crowd that thinks Big Bang Theory is funny would find this funny.
The world building is fucking atrocious, as in there simply isn't any, most settlement scenes could be swapped around with scenes from Mad Max Thunderdome and you wouldn't notice the difference, entirely box-standard post apocalypse design. The by now royalty free music is the only thing creating even a hint of atmosphere. Also, food stuff packaged in cardboard exposed to the elements for over two centuries isn't edible, it wouldn't even be there to be found in the first place, glad to see Bethesda didn't feel the need to right any of their wrongs for the show.
The overall level of CGI is also horrendously bad (a lot of it done by a Bulgarian crowd, and it really shows), especially the surrounding wasteland in exterior shots is very very poor. Fallout 3 does an infinitely better establishing shot of the wasteland upon the vault dweller's emergence on the surface, a game from nearly 20 years ago that looked like dog shit even then, how fucked up is that? The movement of all creatures and the power armor is often even worse than the scenery.
In the end the show was exactly what I thought it would be, a completely sterile marketing exercise with the non existent production values of a straight to streaming show.
That and the guy coming in during the election campaign to tell everyone the water chips broken 😂
@@JohnDaubSuperfan369 anyone who takes fallout this serious, as a game and especially as a TV show, is clearly unaware that there's almost nothing serious about it. The visuals are supposed to appear somewhat corny, almost cartoonish. The only serious characters in the entirety of fallout was Ulysses, Frank Horrigan, father Elijah and elder maxson. Virtually any other character in fallout is generally an outline. So if you didn't like that particular scene for whatever reason I feel like fallout is not a show for you.
It has recently come out that the Writers of the TV show asked permission from Todd Howard to Blow up Shady Sands. So I definitely think that they have a plan in mind already for what is going to happen in season 2.
Todd said he was very sad 😢
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116yeah well he gave us starfield… so he still owes us a lot more
@@thebazhammer2610 He can't seem to stop taking L's lately
He prob said "what's that? Sure whatever."
or could be Bethesda being Bethesda, you know? could have said the show is not canon.. like a spin-off in its own universe, like an alternate timeline where Bethesda soft-reboot the series so all of this would've make sense, in term of their own stupidity. I mean, Fallout 2 has its own stupidity, but.. damn nigga! all of you people really defending this mediocre crap, would be fine if it set in East Coast.
hi Tim! I asked Michael Abbott Jr., the actor who played the sand purifier diaper guy, if he was familiar with the original game. his answer was:
"To this day I’ve never played any of the #FALLOUT games or seen any of the animation. The physicality was based solely on what I thought someone living under those conditions might look like and luckily Jonah & Graham were into it. The cloth diaper on the other hand-THEIR idea;-)"
this is a very interesting convergence of interpretation of what being in the wasteland would look like!
Neat
Please tell Michael he was one of the high points of the show for me. His walk, his appearance, his dialog…all very Fallout.
It's funny that the Creator of Fallout is now theorizing like a fan about what the lore is.
He isn’t involved in the new lore development.
He's what started this series. All the obsidian fanboys are wild. As a NV fan I loved the show. Tim Cain is more based than Sawyer regardless of what you say@@8bitchiptune420
@@8bitchiptune420 Thats why he's theorizing, the comment is mentioning how it's ironic one of the creators is now theorizing like a fan would.
because Fallout is no longer in his control, he can just theorize, like, dislike or cope about any lore consistency or inconsistency like the rest of us.
@@pell9538Thank you, at least someone gets it.
I agree that Vault Tec didn't start the war but were planning to. Other than Barb sending her daughter to a birthday party when the war was kicking off, Mr. House was at that meeting where Barb announced the plan. In New Vegas, House mentions how he miscalculated and the bombs dropped before he was ready with the laser defence system and the platinum chip. How could he have miscalculated if he was involved with Vault Tec's plan? My bet is that Vault Tec were beaten to the punch, hence why House was caught surprised and Barb's daughter was at the party
The show is literally telling us they did, and that they had the most reasons too as well. They didn't make that investment for nothing! We have to remember that the company was a defense contractor, a part of the military industrial complex, which is what becomes the Enclave. It wasn't just the President and the military brass, House was a member, everyone we see in that room was a member, though apparently there was a disagreement somewhere along the line on when the war should begin, or House in particular was excluded from having that knowledge, but the idea that Barb would have had the authority to delay the timing because of her daughter being at a birthday? We know by that point, Cooper and her were divorced, she might not have even been aware were her daughter was exactly at that time and unable to do anything about it. But the show seems to hint she might have gotten a hold of her somehow. We still have no idea what happened to Barb or to their daughter, only that ghoul Cooper is still looking for the both of them after more than two centuries.
@@menghao737 Ok but why would she even let her daughter go to a birthday party at all if she knew? Even if she was having problems with her husband you think she would do the very minimum of telling him when the nukes were falling to make sure her daughter would be safe?
The games also heavily imply that china launched the nukes first so its very possible they were planning on doing it but were beaten to the punch.
Also also, they had plenty of unfinished vaults, youd think they would have wanted to have finished them all before launching there nukes. They need all there precious data from there totally moral experiments.
@@ClandorSo far we encountered three unfinished vaults in Fallout 4. Vault 114, Vault 118, and Vault 88.
They weren't planning to start the war, because they had no capability to do so. Their masters in the Enclave probably planned on starting the war once their preparations were complete, but both them were caught by surprise when China started it.
@@menghao737 The military industrial complex didn't become the Enclave, the Enclave already existed before the war, they were the ones who essentially created Vault-Tec for the sake of performing experiments for their long-term space colonization project. Vault-Tec also didn't start the war, nor did they have any power to do so. Only the Enclave did, but they were beaten to the punch by the chinese, which ruined their plan and allowed for their ultimate defeat in Fallout 2.
My favorite easter egg is the 101097 code! Oh, and as far as the Shady Sands nuking date goes, I can see all sorts of ways that the writers can write around that. It seems like the kind of moment meant as an attention-grabber--with an explanation already in mind. We're still waiting to find out what happened to the NCR, and the writers still have tons of open pathways that they can take the NCR.
For example, the leadership simply might not have been there. Judging by the way the timeline was drawn, some unknown amount of time passed between the fall of Shady Sands, and it being nuked. If Shady Sands fell, that doesn't mean the leadership died; it just means that Shady Sands was no longer ground zero for the NCR. If the key figures aren't there, then nuking Shady Sands is not enough to kill off the NCR.
Also, even though the show seems to have altered the location of Shady Sands--or maybe Shady Sands itself is supposed to have been re-founded at some point in a new place?--I can't help but remember that it was settled by former Vault 15 residents. Perhaps the location of Vault 15 followed the location of Shady Sands, meaning that the leadership had a handy bolt hole... one that could have been repaired enough to be nuke-proof, during the many years after it was last abandoned.
Oh, and for you who do not know your history, on August 24, 1814, Washington, DC was captured; British troops burned down the White House, the Capitol, and a lot more big chunks of DC--our equivalent of Shady Sands. The seat of our government was destroyed. And yet, somehow, here we are, over 2 centuries later. Crazy, huh?
Laf uTube edited my comment for me, removing the 101097 passALLONEWORDcode part! And the italics, and the bold words. Thanks, uTube. You're soooooooo good at keeping the world safe for humanity, you are.
Arent there signs "Last outpost of NCR" or something like that ? I think saw such signs in last episode
I almost pissed myself laughing at the water guy. Peak Fallout NPC
Especially when Lucy kept autistically pointing the gun at him in the beginning while the two were conversing. Like knowing 80% of the time my character and other NPCs casually has their piece out and chatting about what's happening around town.
RIGHT? And that line, "You're nice for not shooting me" or however he said it. I lost my shit lol
Damn, tim casually dropping that he's the "Hip Hoppopotamus", what's Steve got to do with it?
Steve!
I thought i was crazy when i saw the reference
What kind of rapping name is "Steve"!?
To be fair, his rhymes are bottomless.
But I wish he'd be productive with his feedback. Please
Fallout was your baby, dude. To see it elevated to the small screen, recognising your ideas and influences must have felt amazing.
Tim, i thought the same thing. Why would she send her kid to the party knowing the bombs would fall? Something is up there.
im surprised that not many people have mentioned this
There's still a lot of context we haven't seen yet. Plenty of gaps to be filled via flashbacks in future seasons.
I personally think Vault-Tec betrayed her too.
yes, i agree. like The Ghoul said "there's always somebody behind the wheel."
@@filthycasual8187 could be someone in vault tec went rouge and launched early, could be vault tec never got to enacted their plan and this is the chinese or even something else starting the war
*Eric Estrada, yeah, I recognized him as well in episode 7. I was like, wait a minute, I know that guy from CHiPs. 😂👍
It's Marco from Sealab 2021!
@@mboreloh Marco, that mailbox head
He's aged well, doesn't look 75 from my perspective.
@1Draesx he always has
He's got the strength of FIVE gorillas! @@mborel
Hi Tim! Big Fallout fan here since 1998 (got to it a little later), and your work in general, writing to you fron half a world apart. Love that you use TH-cam yo let us hear your ideas, and that you actually read us back. Been waiting to throw something relevant just as an excuse to first show my true appreciation: kudos to you.
I loved the Fallout show. It got me drilled to my seat. I got actual shivers when I heard the now famous “War never changes”, and felt like a little kid finding everything that was on screen releted to the games. I would have much preffered if they kept the FO1/2 aesthetic, but I get it: it’s Bethesda doing their own thing, and I deeply respect that.
So, here is my 2 cents: it’s true, Fallout is known for it’s unreliable narrators, some inconsistencies are to be expected from game to game, and even on the same one (looking at you backstory about Jet!), given the amount of extension, time and people involved. But beyond that and on a “canonical” review, I belive that “The Fall of Shady Sands” was an exaggeration (after all the Fall of Rome didn’t mean the destruction of the City of even the Empire, that continued east for years to come), then we see a nuked city. Which striked me as off, given that Shady Sands was a post war town, made by adobe settlements, in close proximity to Vaults 13 and 15 (the latter, where most of its population came from), near the mountains, and far from any City. The Shady Sands, close to LA, could mean the State of Shady Sands, as part of NCR, that we see in the show: still is on. Maybe its some mix up, and the city is actually the LA Boneyard. What was really off for me was that the post ending scenes that show a desolate New Vegas, filled with downed NCR vertibirds. A thing that sent my suspension of disbelief haywire was the MacGuffin cold fusion: I mean wasn’t that what fueled most cars, cities and even power armor. And energy weapons used self contained, portable micro fusion reactors. The thing it came too little too late, kept it from preventing the Resource Wars, in a world that still dependen mainly on fossil fuel? Vault-Tec didn’t stopped its use, nor did the US gov.
Sorry for the long rant and thanks for all your work!
You got hearted by Tim!
Thanks for the heads up, @malif1279 ! I’m really not tech saavy in general, or in TH-cam in particular, this is all kind of hacus pocus for me. So, had to spend some well earned skill points on Science (or, actually, Google search what that means). Very glad you liked that Tim!
Also, this comes to me somewhat later: Cooper Howard (gessing, some kind of tribute to Bethesda’s own Todd Howard?) comments several time on being a US soldier in the power-armored division in what we can guess was at the latest the Battle of Anchorage, the “final” part of the Sino-American War, previous to the “Big One”. Coop lets it slide that he used a T-60, which experience tought him had a vulnerability in the chest plate, that he infamously exploits to down several Brotherhood Knights. So I have at least 2 questions: how was he using a T-60 in Alaska, when they came to be only “months before the Great War” (gessing it shoud have said a T-51b); and if this was a known secret for him for several years, how come he didn’t use that with his first encounter with Maximus? Also: I want to see in the future a “Power Armor Sweet Spot” perk in the future
He used a T-45. He talks about it after doing the vault tec commercial
I didn’t really like the show tbh.
The thing that got me the most about the show recreating the feeling of the games was that Lucy and Maximus each felt like different takes on how a player character could go through a Fallout game's choices. More than that, however, Maximus really felt like how it felt for me to TRY and play a real jerk of a character only for it to actually be extremely difficult to keep it up without falling into doing the right thing
Brilliant observation! That really captures the vibe of Maximus.
This is the coolest perspective I’ve seen on a character in the show so far. I am so guilty of doing this when I intend to do low karma runs. Brilliant
So happy you liked it Tim. I loved seeing you at the event with Todd. Fallout is really being enjoyed by the world now in all it's forms and it started with you. Thank you once more for that world to play around in.
Imagine if they'd gone with a different name such as 'Earth A.D.'
Most sane fallout fan
@@UlyssesMyea literally, because that was a perfectly normal comment
Much respect, sir. You helped bring one of the greatest IPs to life and it was wonderful to hear your thoughts on the show
I don’t know if you will see this but, thank you Tim and your team for Fallout 1. I played it for the first time during the pandemic and I just adored it. One of my most memorable video game moments is when I tried and failed to fix Necropolis’s water pump. And it was heartbreaking because I already knew exactly what the consequences were. So thank you and everyone at Interplay who worked on Fallout 1.
lucy: good karma
maximus: neutral karma
ghoul: bad karma
Wait is this THE Tim Cain?
* reads channel description*
You sir are a legend. 😊
It is
I just found his channel too, its so awesome!
"popping off the top of my esophagus" I need to use this lmao
Look up ‘Flight of the Conchords Hiphopopotamus vs. Rhymenoceros’. It’s from that. You’re welcome for the rabbit hole you are about to experience.
@@Ryotsu2112 thank you, now I have to use sugarlumps as well
@@Ryotsu2112 Where did you get that preposterous hypothesis?
"It happened a long time ago and therefore people could be lying or simply be wrong"
is a very good excuse for inconsistency in a franchise lol.
It's also a good way of being true to reality. Our own history is murky and dates aren't totally accurate.
@@ThisisCitrus Yeah, i feel like they also reference this with Maximus. He had no idea the bombs dropped 200 years ago since his only reference is "when I was a kid nukes dropped" and no one taught him that it was the second time. History is probably partially lost or twisted, who knows.
i imagine a lot of things in Fallout's universe are told through word of mouth for the most part, while a few others know more due to being able to read and write - which I'm sure is lacking in a post-apocalyptic setting.
Bro must be so confused when he listens to the legion/NCR and brotherhood in New Vegas. Why are they always contradicting each other!!!
I mean it's also INCREDIBLY common in large frnachises with a lot of lore and it just comes with the territory. Even Lord of the Rings had inconsistencies. As a matter of fact, the Lord of the Rings movies violated some of the stuff in the source material! And, much like the fallout show, those movies were piles of garbage, right?
There's beauty in all of this.
Now you get to be a fan too.
I can only imagine how awesome that is or feels.
Its good to see that the creator of Fallout loves the show
I like to imagine what Fallout would look like today if Fallout 2 chose the Master's Ending as canon.
that would be really cool
It would look the same because Bethesda doesn't care about the lore
@@f1shze4lotwah wah cry cry 😢
Did you even watch this video..? If the dude who wrote the first game can get over it, you should too.
Fallout 76 was the most lore friendly fallout
My favourite parts of fallout were the new vegas dlcs, old world blues, honest hearts and the sierra madre, I'm not all that big on lore, except I would say that the master is one of the coolest villains ever created
Whoever came up with the idea of the master is the genius behind fallout imo
@@f1shze4lot Tim Cain has said they respect the lore, you're not a fan, you're annoying
Guys! How are we always leaving out Norman! I swear there are really 4 main characters here.
You know, it's a pretty good feeling to know that Tim Cain and I share similar perspectives and feelings about Fallout, and how he seems to take the thought out of my brain and into youtube videos. Makes me feel good that I am at least on the same page of understanding, with most people I feel. I know I cant be alone in feeling this way
There was definitely some exposition, but it's good that they hid it enough for you not to notice. For example, in the first episodes while the brotherhood scribes are in class they talk about the purpose of the brotherhood.
I agree and I'm dying to rewatch the series with a friend who knows nothing about Fallout, I'm curious to see whether it'll make sense to someone who doesn't know the background...
Just finished the series with my wife, she didn't even know the Fallout games existed. She had surprisingly little difficulty following the show and even predicted some of the twists I didn't see coming. If anything, I think putting together the world of Fallout from an outside perspective was an even better experience for her, when the Shady Sands/NCR reveal comes she was floored by the revelation that society had been rebuilt, only to be taken back to square 1. The only thing that confused her was when the show took place, for the first few episodes she assumed that the pre-war was meant to be the 1950s and that the series took place in an alternative timeline where the Cold War went hot early on.
The show certainly had a very high production quality, and in many ways they were respectful to the games.
What makes me really sad is not the confusing dates regarding the destruction of Shady Sands, but rather the choice to Destroy Shady Sands.
For Fallout 1, 2, and even New Vegas, Shady Sands is the reference point for how humanity is doing in terms of rebuilding. For me, I have a real soft spot for Shady Sands since it’s the first place you discover in Fallout 1, and they’re struggling. But by Fallout 2 they have paved streets and they’re doing great.
I think Bethesda isn’t interested in doing any rebuilding in the Fallout Universe. Throughout all their games, their settings find some way to be a permanent wasteland. And in destroying Shady Sands, they’ve effectively made California just the same bland wasteland in like in all of Bethesda’s other stuff.
They could’ve just as easily set the show anywhere else and destroyed any other town, and it makes me really sad that they did it to Shady Sands.
It's amazing to see you excited and giddy about the show, regardless of what other people may think about it.
Happy to let you know that as of yesterday season 2 is confirmed by amazon. Although, seeing how much praise it was getting, it seemed inevitable. Glad you liked the show, I do too!
season 2 was greenlit before the show ever aired… that’s why there’s post credit scenes bud
@@crunchysalmons It was greenlit before the premiere, but amazon didn't officially confirm that until yesterday on April 18th. Rumor and speculation are encouraging, but confirmation from the studio and distributor itself is better, bud.
lol. Bud..
Not sure what Maximus's goals really are, or what they were before he decided he wants to live in a vault with Lucy. I wouldn't describe him as kinda selfish, I'd describe him as an evil person. My biggest problem with the show is that on top of that, he is shown to be incompetent as a member of brotherhood yet he just fails upwards for whatever reason.
His goal was originally to be a knight but that changed when he met Lucy and got his first crush like a total dork but in order to keep her safe he needed to double down with the very brotherhood he was planning on leaving. He isn't evil at all though he is kinda dumb. I get the feeling that by the end of next season Lucy, the ghoul, and maximus are gonna be traveling together like a good old fashioned RPG party on a journey to take down vault tech once and for all.
@@exilestudios9546 This doesn't make Maximus sympathetic much.
@@exilestudios9546 I dom't think he's interested in actualy being a knight, just having knight toys. Also I don't see how a guy who watches a man die just to get a toy is not evil.
@@zvonimirstejskal2252when that dude is literally saying "when you do your job and save me I'm going to have you executed" I would say it's 100% fine to watch the fucker die and take his shit. At that point his goal was still to finish the mission assigned to him.
We've gotten like 20 different ways the nukes got dropped and who dropped first, I think part of the fun is every time they add a new suggestion the web gets more and more tangled and the line gets more and more blurred. Totally agree with you there. Hell, there are unfinished vaults in the games
I like that it’s messy, there is no definitive entity who started WW3. It was inevitable, because war never changes.
yeah Erik Estrada and Fred Armisen (as the fiddle obsessed guy) were great cameos.
you're the very first person who's mentioned Erik Estrada. And I've watched tons of videos
I'm glad you enjoyed it Tim, I really liked your point about the unreliable narrator I agree and think they'll probably lean into it more. One of my favorite parts that made me laugh pretty hard was when Thaddeus unloaded his 10mm at Lucy and Maximus and completely missed. Felt like a totally classic fallout moment, he should have put more points into Small Guns.
I really enjoyed it as a piece of television entertainment. Nailed the aesthetics and the tone and it feels like Fallout.
But it also really feels like Bethesda finally rug-pulled the "West Coast Trilogy" to reset the canon for their own story. They never cared about those games because they didn't make them, and as such, their stories were disposed of out of convenience to steal their ideas.
Which, frankly, sucks.
Todd already addressed "The fall of Shady Sands" and it getting nuked are two different times. The fall refers to something else and the nuke drops shortly after New Vegas. Makes me feel the Mr. House ending is the canon ending.
If the house ending is Canon then why is new vegas in ruin? End slides shown the streets were efficient and cold. House would have modernized everything, not left it in ruin.
@@mikeleslie5905 Probably the NCR got butt hurt for losing the second battle of Hoover Dam and tried to invade The Strip
It's probably the Yes Man ending? Ulysses did have a *whole mess of nukes to decimate the Long-15,* too. That situation looks like that. So 6 probably nuked the 15 and Caesar, House was 9-ironed in his coffin, and the Lucky 38 is left intact but depopulated. Vault Tec Daddy is likley on his way to claim something from the lucky 38 and the leave.
@@mikeleslie5905end slides aren’t relevant. They always just show destruction. They even show the BoS destroyed despite the BoS winning at the end of this story.
@@mikeleslie5905 The canon house ending takes place fifteen years before the show does. I'm sure literally nothing happened in the proceeding time and it was just exactly as players left it over a decade later.
You know I'm highly critical of Bethesda and Amazon products in general, but this show I came in and expected to be disappointed wanting to write a negative review, and left completely amazed on how much they did right!
It was so freaking good!
Glad to see someone that has been there before explain it. Things have to change a little bit and we have seen lots of controversy about lore changes. I’m guessing they have an idea and kind of knew a season 2 would be coming so they put it in to get ppl talking then it went in the wrong direction so they had to step in and say hey it’s still cannon just wait and you will see how it works out. If there was no season 2 we would need some explaining
Love it! It really felt like the core pillars, experience promises of Fallout were the pillars in the show, that the player personas were the characters. The emphasis on environmental storytelling. The lack of 'Oh you didn't get the joke? You must not be a fan'-jokes. It felt so *harmonized*. And I've been iffy on modern TV writing lately, and having the dialogue really express the world, factions, and character's traits with every line was a breath of fresh air.
Also, so glad to have found your channel through this! I teach game design and just love delving into folks' experience and I'm so ready to deep dive your ramblings :) Really appreciated.
How wonderful to hear that you are enjoying it and is excited for more, just like me! Really hits it home to me how much love and respect was put in the show. There are definitely some people online that should take some time and watch this video lol
You're not radical as us gamers nor are you naive as David Jaffe.
This video however made me respect you even more because
you're a man with patience.🤝
As the dad of Fallout, it would be great if you collaborated with the TV show creators or Bethesda. The tone and the themes would be instantly elevated to new heights !
I like how you said you have to figure the show out. I have never played a fallout game and I immediately wanted to know everything so I bought all the games without looking anything up. The mystery and wanting to know what power armor was is what pulled me in and now I'm obsessed with this world.
Welcome to The fallout family bud, you are in for a wild ride
Still the biggest question is "how did master miss vaults 4 and 31-33 that aren't even hidden under a mountain?"
This and complete lack of supermutants in the area they make the most sense feels wrong to me.
After Fallout 1, the Brotherhood hunted ALL super mutants into near extinction (the ones who survived went east).
@@Scott.webb64 still doesn't answer how the Master missed 3 vaults that's just right near his base?
@@Scott.webb64 What are you talking about? The NCR had laws in place to protect its ghoul and mutant citizens.
@@John1045even then, supermutants were rare by the time of FO2 because most of them either died or fled after the Master died. The largest community of them in California scattered and went east to the Mojave. This was also like 5 decades before the show takes place. Any remaining mutants either died, left, or we just didn't see them. It would make no sense for the place to be crawling with them.
@@f.b.l.9813 He missed them, because they didn't exist in fallout lore, until Todd forced them in.
Tim Cain should be happy, season 2 was confirmed to be in the works
I also love the fact there is little or no exposition. Some shows treat the viewers like they are stupid. I like that this one doesn't. It's pretty easy to work out what is going on without someone slipping it into an awkard sounding conversation.
While i was watching the show i was thinking “what Tim thinks about this”, it’s nice to know your in depth review about it, i enjoyed the TV show too.
Hi, Tim.
I didn't realize you had a youtube channel. I'm a long time Fallout fan, since the original game. I know you haven't been involved with the franchise in a long time but I still wanted to thank you for all the work that you did with the IP. The Fallout franchise is one of my favorite game franchises of all time, particularly the pre-Bethesda games, so thank you for helping to create it.
On the subject of Vault-Tec dropping the bombs, I totally agree and have been saying basically the same thing. They talked about it, and may have even been planning to, but given that Cooper's wife was on the board deciding that stuff, there's no way she'd have let her daughter be anywhere but with her on the day VT was going to start a nuclear war. Furthermore, there have been unfinished vaults either directly seen or mentioned in terminal entries and such in the games over the years, at least two of them in Fallout 4, which is another piece of evidence that VT didn't drop the first nuke because they weren't yet ready to do it.
At this point, we still don't know who launched first. We see the bombs landing in LA which might, at first glance, make it seem like China attacked first, but those could have been retaliatory for the US bombing China first. Unless it was blasted on the news somehow, "THIS JUST IN, WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS HAVE INFORMED US HERE AT THE NEWS STATION THAT WE HAVE LAUNCHED NUKES AT CHINA. HOLD ONTO YOUR BUTTS," your average Joe citizen wouldn't know the US was launching nukes at China.
Mr. Cain, there have been videos of yours where you relent that you feel like your audience appreciates some videos or your thoughts on subjects rather than others. This may be true, but it does not matter to me. For those who were raised without either Grandfathers, your voice, your stories, your experience, and your opinions are much respected to me and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts to young adults like myself who need to hear these experiences and stories to come back to when times are tough. Thank you for your time and your uploads. I look forward to every video you post whether you think it's going to be popular or not.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on the full season, I was going to ask if you'd make a video on this! I'm really impressed and surprised by the TV show paying so much tribute towards the franchise, from all over the games, but still being willing to take risks and make waves in the timeline. It makes me feel optimistic about the future of the franchise and what they'd be willing to do with stories branching off from here.
Thanks again Tim, love the videos and so happy to see your brain-child done justice and shown all the love it deserves.
I can't wait for season 2! They did such a good job on the show! Thanks for doing these Tim! I always look forward to these videos!
Would you consider doing a cameo in future seasons of the TV show if the creators would offer it to you?
Maybe together with Leonard as scientists in the background. Or maybe for a oneliner.
I think having them do cameos in the Enclave would be perfect... Part of the masterminds who started all this stuff.
Finally finished the show and I am blown away. I cannot wait to see what is next. I adored how they captured the tonal balance so perfectly.
LOVE the show! Must be insane to see your work come to life like this! My favorite bit was when Lucy and Max were debating on if they should keep the fusion core or leave a whole community to die. Felt like a classic Fallout decision and I’m glad that they had something like that in it!
The Fall of Shady Sands was when I had to remove a whole bunch of NCR soldiers from the Hoover Dam. The bomb came a little while later.
Or maybe it was when the people of Shady Sands decided to send the soldiers in the first place. I dunno, I didn't write on that board.
Why would that effect the number of soldiers who were at the Battle of Hoover Dam? It was an expansionist force and the show clearly show the remnants of the NCR in CA alone. I suspect we'll see remnants in and/or around (what's left of?) New Vegas in season 2 as well.
Not sure how some expect the showrunners to tell a story without setting it up first, which was the crux and thrust of the entire first season.
thanks for the immediate and clear spoiler warning. I just cancelled my Prime at the most inopportune moment, had no idea the show was actually coming out
Very interesting point about Vault-Tec nuking first. It definitely never says explicitly in the text of the show that they actually did it. I think that's very deliberate on the part of the writers and that they're going to subvert a few expectations in the coming seasons.
Also, as someone who only ever played (and loved) Fallout 1 and 2, the show definitely felt like Fallout to me and I'm so happy to see that Tim agrees. Seeing the world come to life like this decades later is thrilling enough for an old fan so I can imagine how exciting and fulfilling it us for Tim.
Tim, what do you think about the "trivialization" of nuclear bombing in modern Fallout? Post-nuclear settings have always felt "nuclear-free", in which technology has been set back so much that nuclear bombs must seem like just horror stories from the past. But starting with New Vegas, nuclear bombing on populated areas returned to the Fallout setting (yes, I remember that in F1 there was a nuclear warhead, but it was optional and was used against the main villain and his army of mutants). Bethesda even made a nuclear explosion part of the "fun and energetic" Fallout 76 trailer. And now bombs have been dropped in TV show. When you were designing the setting, did you have a goal to highlight the dangers of nuclear weapons and provide some sort of warning? Or was nothing like this planned, and people using atomic weapons against other people AFTER a nuclear war is a natural part of the dark side of the setting (in the style of "humanity will not learn any lessons even after a nuclear war?")?
A couple of interesting points: Firstly, it says Shady Sands fell in 2277 which is what everyone is screaming it violates the established cannon of New Vegas because it is set in 2283; But, what they didn't realise is that it didn't say it was nuked in 2277, the blackboard shows it was nuked *after* 2277, 2277 simply mentions "Shady Sands fell" which could mean anything, possibly related to the current president becoming a dictator, which he did and basically went full "Bear on the Rampage"; It implies it was nuked after. In Fallout New Vegas, it is mentioned that the NCR is on the brink and falling apart, but no nukes on Shady Sands, which means technically the show didn't violate the established canon, it was just intentionally vague. I judging by the age of Maximus in the flashbacks, I assume the actual date of the nuke occurred in 2284, because assuming Maximus is in his late teens/early 20s in the 2290s, Shady Sands being nuked in 2284 would line up to when he was still a kid, around the age of 6 to 12.
The NCR still exists, but it is in a state more or less of being "in limbo", it has shattered into competing warlords and cliques, a good comparison being say the Inner Sphere in Battletech after the Star League fell; Which is why the Brotherhood of Steel is able to operate in the area uncontested because there is no NCR sieging them in Bunker Hill anymore. Though despite the fall of the NCR, it appears that many of the towns which were a part of the NCR still seem to be functioning without there being a central government.
I happened to find the channel, by chance. What an awesome guy you are, Tim. I can tell you’re a genuinely good man, and I have really enjoyed the content that you’ve created on TH-cam.
Thank you so much for bringing the Fallout IP to so many of us who love the franchise. You deserve all of the good things, my friend.
Hello there! Just wanted to let you know: Bethesda monitored the responses and Todd Howard clarified the timeline a bit in the first after show interview, which I think is really cool.
When asked about this, Howard said, “All I can say is that we’re spinning it a little bit thinner there, but the bomb drops right after the events of New Vegas. That’s when Shady Sands explodes,” clarifying that “The Fall of Shady Sands” is not necessarily about the destruction of a nuke.
tf do they mean about a bomb then? just a small-sized "bomb" enough to destroy an entire city like the capital of the new california republic?
Still makes no sense
Wow, sounds like an important event that would be better shown on-camera, rather than just saying it happened as a justification for shaking the entire setting to be a looter-shooter paradise instead of a political timebomb.
Also "Fall means Decline" is writer's cope and everyone knows it. They botched the dates, because they don't care.
So lazy. The world was almready nuked in 2077. Now they want to reset what was done in f1, f2 and NV so nuke the setting again?
Lol absurd.
@@AKKK1182it makes no sense because the writing is bad.
As a Dev of Fallout 3 and 4. I agree. Love this show.
After the show, I decided to start with Fallout 1, and you know what, my heart broken because I just encounter a town called Shaddy Sand, didn't expect that
Now you get it!
Myeesssss, yessss. Wash the Bethesda stains away.. rid yourself of that foul stench.
Wait until you see it in 2. Your mind will break.
@@nathanlobono5818 You mean the whole talking Deathclaws and Scientology things? Or Season 2? If you refer to the former then we can all agree that the concepts were pretty silly and dumb. Even the creators said they regret that.
@@John1045 Was talking about the grandiosity of Shady Sands specifically, but I agree Fallout 2 added some goofy stuff, which is why I tend to enjoy the simplicity of the first, if I'm playing retro.
my biggest take away from the show is that the writers of fnv were absolutely correct to get rid of the brotherhood offscreen between games. they outlived their narrative usefulness after f2 and there is absolutely nothing interesting there to relitigate. to quote mr house 'please put them out of *my* misery.'
See and i think the BOS are way more interesting than the generic good guy republic that is the NCR and I was so happy to see it get retconed out of existence
@@exilestudios9546 generic good guys... the ncr...? dude theyre lichrally The Empire, all they do is forcedly assimilate communities to serve their interests.
theyre kinda the lynchpin of the 'war never changes' thesis to me. this should be addressed by the narrative not retconned out it.
what the show did was an incredible waste of storytelling potential. what sets (or used to set) fallout apart from other post apoc settings is that it transitioned into post-post apoc, now its just another lifeless wasteland just like all the others
@@countessboochieflagrante please the NCR are imperialistic sure but they are also the happy go lucky, holier-than-thou heros of the franchise and i fucking hate that. they bring the entire franchise down same with the minutemen, the railroad, the responders, and every other good guy faction that has ever or will ever exist in fallout. give me some crazy, morally grey factions and characters with nuance over safe nonsense any day heck even outright villains like the enclave are more interesting than the NCR. they COULD work as a faction if real effort was put in fleshing them out but nope we will only ever get safe heroic nonsense
@@exilestudios9546 idk what to tell u, those things seem irreconcilable to me.
ofc ncr npcs u talk to will say that abt themselves theyre not gonna twirl their mustache and tell u their true motives u infer it from their actions and past behavior.
the minutemen and others are one dimensional they only have their one good defining motive and thats it, but the ncr is actually flushed out and does good and bad things for good and bad reasons.
@@exilestudios9546 Bro NCR was corrupt as shit in new vegas, they were the stand-in for real world USA.
In the last episode, I love how the passcode was 101097 for the release of Fallout 1. It felt like they really tried to honor all of the installments and paid homage to the Interplay games. Thanks again for your thoughts!
Nice touch
9:00 That's actually a great point. I have a habit of taking exposition for granted and hadn't considered that it might not be factual to the plot.
Overall, I liked the series, but I would give an average rating. There are too many inconsistencies.
I will list the main ones:
1) Why did Moldaver come to the shelter with the raiders if she was the local head of NCR. Why take raiders who killed ordinary residents of the shelter instead of professional NCR soldiers who could peacefully (or less bloody) take away the caretaker of the shelter.
2) Water chip. It was said about him, people got worried, and then they safely forgot. Is he no longer needed? Has it been fixed? Did they find another water chip? Why did all the inhabitants of the shelter so calmly forget about it?
3) Why was Shady Sands destroyed and this event is equal to the destruction of NCR? All the actions of the series take place in the territories of the NCR, but during the journey of the heroes there are no signs of the NCR, neither their checkpoint, nor the convoy, no one at all. At least in the end they showed that they exist at all, but it is unclear in what status NCR is now.
There are very few answers to the questions in the series. I hope everything will be explained in season 2.
Your third can actually be answered using military theory. Prussian General von Clausewitz coined the term "centre of gravity" (or schwerpunkt) which is roughly defined as ""the source of power that provides moral or physical strength, freedom of action, or will to act". Essentially, Shady Sands is the NCR's centre of gravity, and without it the nation fragments. There might be more remnants of the NCR remaining, but the destruction of the NCR proved too large a loss for the NCR to continue functioning.
@@KaiserNicer Perhaps that was the case.
But if you look at Fallout New Vegas, then NCR is more or less fine.
On the whole, I find it unpleasant that the west coast has slipped back into a primitive society. And I see what this plot move was for. Maybe they're preparing Fallout5 on the west coast. And what is easier to create in the game, developed cities with more than 50 inhabitants or complete devastation?
The answer is obvious.
@@channelErwave I think Todd Howard reiterated that Shady Sands did not fall in 2077 but later. Since, indeed it would not make much sense at all otherwise.
I don't think that Bethesda is going to touch the West Coast for a long time with a Fallout game. They are far too busy with the Elder Scrolls. But also having a show set on the west coast when a Fallout TV-series might run parallel could cause Bethesda a very big headache.
@@KaiserNicer I assumed that they would shoot a few more seasons (3-4 more years), and that would be the end of the series, and after the end of the series there would be an announcement of Fallout 5. I think it would be very convenient for them.
I agree that the series and the game cannot be produced at the same time, it really will be a headache)
The show was amazing. Honestly the setting is so interesting I think they should make a game based on it. Something along the lines of an open world rpg maybe?
I just love how you talked about the themes of misunderstanding and misrepresentation in the show. It's about characters trying to do the right thing but failing to do so because they don't know the full story of who really did what. So many people complaining about specific lore details being wrong don't realize that just because something is presented as fact doesn't mean it's true. TL;DR it's a show with no narrator, but a hundred unreliable ones.
10:00 and Starwars is basically dead now, same for Marvels, now even Warhammer has caved in. Lore is important and making it overall consistent is important.
Good thing it’s still consistent
Yeah man Warhammer is sooo fuxking dead. That's why they released a game like 5 months ago
@@thesnowmiser6728 sure... and Fallout 76 is good game every fan wanted. If the IP owner does not care about lore, the franchise will go down. Starwars also were pumping out crap and still is, does not mean the franchise is in good state.
Bard's Tale Construction set in the background. Man that takes me back....
For "why did vaultec nuke when her daughter was out" its my assumption thay vaultec was doing things behind the scenese to encourage the commies and america to nuke, not that vaultec had absolute control or were going to literally drop their own bomb. They pushed some dominos and they fell faster than expected
The show is fine, I guess. Well it definitely is much better, than that recent abomination called "Halo".
Still, I get the feeling that show's vault-tec plotline:"Corporation ruins the world to dictate it's own vision" - is a reflection of what Bethesda did to Fallout series.
Look at old games: it tells us that world may change drasticaly, but human's nature - not so easily: humans will not only tenaciously rebuilding from scratch, but they also always will put just as much effort in to desctructive behavior. Many important characters in old games have some depth in their portrayal: they have agenda, goals and reasons for their actions.
And what did bethesda offers? Worlds, in which people don't try to do anything - they scraping by, live in filth and don't care. Why did Lyons started caring about people outside brotherhood? Because he grew sentimental with age. Why did Enclave remnants attacked project purity? Because they could. Why institute did what it did? Because they can. Why and how railroad even exists? Well, cuz boston, you know, it's memorabilia of the world long gone, it's fun - or something like that? Why did BoS in 4 turned it's back on most of Lyon's vision and became just a mocking parody on Enclave? Who the hell is talon company or gunners and how that PMC-esque group would even work in the world you've portrayed? Most of the characters are flat placeholders for the "force of good" or "bad people". The only thing that bethesda did somewhat good is pitt dlc, where this Ashur character actually tried to build a solid basis for rebuilding a society: manufacturing, economy, army. He also had some depth to his character, explaining his motives, questioning the old BoS agenda of simple hoarding, which will lead only to the grave. And it was actually believable.
What did fallout show shows? (heh) That people still live in filth, don't group up, don't rebuild, don't have any kind of farming or manufacturing, they don't create, yet always have things to eat, wear, shoot and sell.
The Maximus whole ark is so bad, that show would've been much better without him. Like I get it: they've tried to show inevitable decay which always going to plague any society, but they did it in such a dumb manner: "hey, look, members of the brotherhood are buffoons and cowards, and even their leader says they've lost their way! And look at that: a member of the brotherhood with no goals, going on the power trip when he betrayed his comrade and let him die just to take his armor - you supposed to like that guy, because he's so righteous!!!"
And destruction of Shady-Sands - it's just epitome of bethesda despise for old Fallout: they took example of society that had some succes in rebuilding itself (something, that contradicts bethesda's vision of fallout)- and they destroyed it off-screen. And how did show explains that? In the dumbest way possible:"Oh, well, we have this very evil faction called vault-tec, and they still around, and somehow got acces to nukes 200years after the war. Why they blew up shady-sands? Cuz they're evil, duh!"
The show offers shallow and empty world with lots of fan-service stuff sprinkled on it - (just like most games and worlds modern bethesda offers) - is this truly Fallout?
Ignoring the show and delving into the supposed hatred for old school fallouts, a lot of people have been saying Bethesda hates New Vegas and the classics, yet they neither properly explain it properly nor have actual proof. Todd Howard apparently was a fan of the old games and has declared New Vegas to be canon. The 84/100 debacle should be resolved by now, and why would Bethesda allow New Vegas to be made if they actually hate the games? Are you simply hinging on hearsay to simply take a shit on Bethesda, the studio that revived Fallout and bringing it to mainstream popularity after the shit that was BoS?
I love how old fans champion 1,2 and complained Bethesda ruined the franchise even though it was Interplay who destroyed the IP until FO3. Sure, they might not understand the series fully, but modern Fallouts are still earnest efforts that didn't always pan out well.
@@TrungNguyen-yg3xjWas it really the best course of action to make Fallout mainstream? Because it all led to this: Bethesda having absolute control and tourists getting an upper hand just because they're the majority and they make a lot of money for Amazon for Todd for those kind of people. So what makes more money? Sticking to the established lore or shaking everything up and dumbing everything down for the masses? You give me the answer
@@thefemboyslayer Fallout had already been dumbed down for the masses with Fallout Tactics and Fallout Brotherhood of Steel. The former has a lack of focus and the depth of RPG and unnecessary feature bloat, while the latter is an absolute disgrace of shameless sellouts, edgy humor and a fundamental misunderstanding far worse than anything Bethesda has ever done. Let's also not forget that Fallout 2 was given like only 8 months in development time under Interplay, and Van Buren looks dated and ugly even for the time. Say what you want about Bethesda, but they have treated the IP far better than whatever Interplay had done, and I and so many other peopld wouldn't have discovered the classics and New Vegas without Fallout 3.
@@TrungNguyen-yg3xj Yes, but was it worth it at the end? Fallout 3 was subpar but essential to NV. After the latter only crap came out (FO4, 76, this shitfest of a show) so the only real choice was to stop a long time ago. Also Tactics is far superior than anything done by Bethesda, that's just how it is
@@thefemboyslayer Tactics, aside from the problems listed above, also poses many inconsistencies within the lore (Vault 0, Robot City, the endings) and the combat is fucking incomprehensible at times. FO3 does make an effort to connect its lore with the older games, though not all of it was successful. Tactics is not better than Bethesda Fallouts (except 76) because it disregards 1, 2 by leaving out meaningful dialogue and RPG elements, whilst 3 and 4 at least tried to preserve those things. And come on, Fallout BoS is a million times worse than 76, are you telling me you prefer getting that heap of garbage and the divisive and unnecessary Tactics over 3, 4, New Vegas and also the recent TV show that apparently everyone likes? Would you prefer it being dead with quite simply the absolute worst shit ever made over Bethesda's misguided attempts with some success?
I've always wondered about how accurate the post-nuclear war wasteland is. On the one hand you have the red forests of Chernobyl, but on the other hand I've read several different accounts of survivors of Hiroshima who mention that moss, vines and weeds overtook the ruins overnight, and they had to keep weeding as the weeks went by. It makes sense in Fallout 1 and 2 since those take place in what is now essentially reclaimed desert, but not in Fallout 3. I lived in New England, it would be one giant forest unless radiation managed to wipe out every seed and spore or mutated all plantlife to sterility. I know the original game was based on 1950s post-apocalyptic fiction, and I wonder if they were all set in desert climates because that's where they were filmed. :D
Edit: Got to episode 2, where there are indeed forests.
My take on the '"Vault-Tec nuked first" reveal is this: we now know for sure that Vault-Tec had the IDEA of dropping the bombs. However, we STILL don't know who ACTUALLY dropped the bombs. That hasn't been shown yet.
In other words, it can STILL be whoever anyone's favorite conspiracy theory says it is. Until the show or a future game shows someone actually pushing that big probably-red button, the question is STILL not answered yet. Because I'm willing to bet that every single suspect on the list, including the aliens brah, had and expressed the IDEA of dropping the bombs.
I think the writers clarified that the "fall of shady sands" refers to the first battle of hoover dam and that it was nuked just after NV
one thing that i was not a fan of was ghouls having to take their shots to not lose their minds. like it complicates believability of the ghouls without much of a return. where did their shots come from? what is in them? who conducted the research for these shots or did they just happened to take existing meds and it happened to work? if there was research then surely enough time should have passed for majority of them to turn feral? how did that turn out? wouldnt ghouls be more spiteful for the smoothskins than they already are? how did the word about this medicine, or the medicine itself get around the entire world? all the logistics for the entire planet were completely paralysed and they still are hundreds of years later.
atleast the way season 1 was setup, it seemed pointless, maybe season 2 will prove me wrong. maybe the somewhat mysterious alchemist, doctor fella might be more significant and shed some light on all of this.
i have a feeling new vegas canon ending will be mix of all of the endings. there is little chance for to be full on NCR or Legion endings, and the main notable in the new vegas itself just has to be alive for sure.
People are extremely upset because Bethesda basically destroyed Fallout New Vegas in Fallout lore and reset the West Coast, which is partially about Fallout 1 and 2 but mostly about New Vegas.
Aside from the timeline nonsense, people liked that setting and just blowing it up for some bs about Vault Tec being behind everything is absolutely stupid.
they didnt reset the canon. Shady sands is gone but that doesnt mean the entire ncr is. The brotherhood is implied to have destroyed rivet city before fallout 4, doesn't mean everything from fallout 3 never happened.
I think that Vault Tec uploaded the launch codes to PAM in preparation but without the intention of launching so soon. However, the robot calculated poorly and pre-empted the strike
Charalanahzard was the best "already a fallout game player" reviewer I have seen so far.
100% agree that the lack of exposition made an insane difference in enjoyability. Absolutely hate the handholding that so many movies/shows do, but also hate the few that assume that every viewer will have played the game or read the book and forget to provide enough setting for the non-fan viewers. I have watched more reviews of people who never played the fallout games because of this, and they all seem to have had few-to-zero problems following along.
I also agree that there's a difference in what the viewer/player knows and what each character knows. As a viewer, I didn't have issues with the dates on the board as much as was having issues with the Shady Sands even BEING on the chalkboard... But "how" the Vault 33 characters could possibly have had this knowledge is clarified in the final episode. So, I have some confidence that any timeframe issues will likely be explained in time. Lore drift may still be a possibility, but the show is so good I lose my mind over it.
They kind of forgot about their own water chip (was mentioned that it broke)... so the vault is doomed anyways.
from a theory i read, Betty (she was from Vault 31, where has a lot of shady secrets, if you watched the show fully, you can understand) lied about it, cause fear that the place is running wild, and as we know, Betty had the credibility and respect from many people of the vault and so they voted for her to be the overseer to run vault 33, get the problems done. in short: she lied in order to be the overseer.
Yeah I was confused about this too. I just assumed they would have to share the filter from the other vault - but I did find it confusing that it never got a second mention.
I just want to point out the sign says "first capital" which could insituates there is a second.
it must be amazing to see a franchise that you heavily contributed to, evolve so much in very little time; Going from a turn-based isometric game from the late 90's, to a multi-media franchise that EVERYONE knows
What truly captures the spirit of Fallout is how a low budget studio that made Nuka Break did a better job than a multibillion corporation.
Season 2 has been greenlit.
On the topic of Vault-Tec, I agree with them not being the first to nuke.
As for Shady Sands, there's a recent IGN interview where Todd clears up that the bomb falls right after the events of New Vegas. The fall of Shady Sands written on the chalkboard is a different event, maybe something BoS related?
What I find more confusing is how Shady Sands ended up in the middle of LA.
Speaking of the BoS, it feels like they've either incorporated or merged with Caesar's Legion, considering all the roman names.
I do wonder whatever happened to Cooper's daughter, that bomb in the flashback scene was extremely close, did they get to Barbara and/or a vault and then get separated in record time?
I also wonder if Mr House is still alive.
Brotherhood would never side with legion
Yeah, I don’t know whatever happened with Cooper’s wife and daughter, all we know is he’s been looking for them for the last 200 years and given how cryo vaults are a thing out East in Massachusetts and out West in California, they might of ended up in a cryo vault.
The fall of shady sands is the same year as the fight for hoover damn.