The Crypts of Winterfell
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The Winterfell crypts is probably my favorite mystery in ASOIAF...second only to just what the heck are The Others up to and why? Loving the focus on the Stark history. Lots of videos around on the Targaryens. Very well done. Thank you!
The mystery of the crypts are mine also
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Rewatching to prep for S8E3. We might need an update on this topic soon.
i’m watching it for the first time in the run up to s08e03 ☻
Same! I love this nostalgic awkward zoom camera XD
what a let down xD
This didn’t age well
This episode sounds amazing. Ive been listening to this podcast for a long time on TH-cam. Well probably since Septon Barth episode. Lines from the show like, "I need you to become the man you're always meant to be. Not next year, not tomorrow.... now." Well Tywin would be proud to see you guys now, holy cow he might even smile to see how well put together your show has gotten. Thank you guys so much! I promise to become a patron next pay check. Keep it up Aziz Ahai👍!
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Pleased you mentioned about Vermax having to get down the stairs of the crypts I always think of that when I hear that theory about the Winterfell dragon
Loving the split camera work on this. Good stuff and great content as always guys
You may be missing one plausible explanation to Verymax laying a clutch of dragon eggs. If there is volcanic activity beneath Winterfell, perhaps there are other entrances that the Starks are not aware of. More dragons would come in handy. Big or small. The hot springs themselves are not in the crypts or beneath them.
Perhaps the crypts benieth winterfell have an exit... A cave system made by volcanic springs? Amd that would be how vyramax got in and out, clearly no onw delves bwlow thw first level, amd cave-ins imply larger caverns below/around the crypts. I would not be surprised if a larger second entrance comes up later in George's books.
He did actually raise that possibility later in the video
That memory of the stark kids in the crypt around 54 mins got me a little choked up thinking of them all together.
"Could my dragon please go hang out in your crypt, Lord Stark? Vermax has always had an itch to see the old Kings of Winter."
Tony Umber Wpuld make sense if it's a generally warmer place then Winterfell as a whole, doubt fire dragons are fond of thecold.
Zeus Mob Ice dragons ....
I found it interesting in the show when sansa says the statue of ned doesn't look like him
They couldnt match the bones to the heads after so much decomposition at kings landing.... It may be his head but not his body, so it would be fittinf that his statue does not look like him as a nod to therebeing mismatched bodies returned by the silent sisters. They tried but probably got it wrong.
You are EXTREMELY knowledgeable on this series. I loved it. New to your channel. Love the way you Express yourself.
Excellent. I always find myself doing re-reads after i watch your videos. Its amazing how much you can miss in the books.
I was picking up on things on my *third* read lol.
Does no one else find it interesting that literally almost every Stark ever mentioned is on the top level? Literally the only two mentioned by name and not on the top level are Brandon the Builder and Brandon the Breaker. So though we can hypothesize about other ones back then, we are only ever actually told of two precluding Theon Stark and or Jon Stark who were apart of the early Andal Invasions.
asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/149264-1-kingdom-1-curse-1-wall/ If your curious about my thoughts
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Only about an hour into it so far. But you have my mind RACING about burials arcross the Seven Kingdoms. I never even made the connection before that the one house that probably SHOULD burn the bodies of their dead (because they are in the North and should realize that they could possibly rise again) is the one house that has been keeping their dead in tombs for thousands of years. God I love GRRM.
The amount of detail he's added to the setting creates so many rabbit holes, some of which haven't been explored despite all the years of analysis the fandom has put in. Endless!
A thought on why Brandon and Lyanna were given statues: It may have been unclear to folks living in the world of ASIF if Brandon died before Rickard; they may have thought he was Lord of Winterfell, if even for a short moment. As for Lyanna, if she and Rhaegar did marry, she was a Queen of the 7 Kingdoms, and thus, arguably superior to the Lord of Winterfell and hence, worthy of a statue.
Also, I've been going back through prior broadcasts of y'alls from years ago. You guys have always had consistently great content. Kudos to you guys for constantly improving the presentation. Last, but definitely not least RIP, Steve.
Damn good points.
Good observations
Well, nobody knew about R+L marriage, but in any case, Rhaegar never was king, only prince, he died before his father, so no Queen title for Lyanna.
I just opened youtube and saw 2 hours of the Crypts of Winterfell - Awesome! Thank you - I'm so enjoying this!!
POSSIBILITY: An egg can be moved to the crypts. Say dragon lays an egg close/in Winterfell and as a gesture of good faith or a symbol of the alliance or a premature gift to a child that never was - given to the Starks. The egg was moved after the pact was off or even before to keep it safes
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I wonder if , in the beginning, there were enchantments on those swords and time erased the memory of that leaving it to become a tradition only?
why does no one state the most hobvious answer to these unanswered histories and martins reasons...hes one man he hasnt made up every second of history from the beginning of time and probably never will. hes focused on the stories he wants to tell.
I like how Theon is surrounded in the crypts by many Starks that fought and hated Ironborn. He was once accepted (though he may not have felt it) by the Starks and loved by Robb, the Lord and then King. But he betrayed the Starks so he feels like every Stark (even dead ones) hates him and every facet of his being. The depth of his guilt is truly showing in the crypts.
I just started rẻ watching the show I'm noticing so many details I missed the first time around. Wow this show is amazing I think I'll delve into the books soon.
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Wow so many criticisms about camera angles, charachter voices, and personal appearance ... The content was great, everyone with a new toy wants to test it out, and no one can help the face or voice they were gifted. Who salted yalls kale? I thought this was a great video. Ims sure youll work out the cut-away camera shots and editing hiccups, the beard is fine, and more important the content was palatable and understandable.
How did you get the name Azis? I am quite curious because of the familial resemblence.
Keep on making great content.
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The Starks certainly had a fleet during the Andal migration period, Theon the Hungry Wolf sailed to Essos for his revenge trip. And it seems that the North wasn't yet united at that time, since Theon "allied with the Boltons".
Best podcasters out there! Absolutely excellent video as always
Hey! Discovered the podcast about a week ago and found your channel today. Just want to say thank you for the detailed deep dives you guys do on the GoT world.
This video was very insightful. I hadn't realize the Wall did not crumble when Joramun blew the Horn of Winter. My mind is blown. It makes perfect sense the Horn of Winter controls the dead as it would be the counterpart to Euron's dragon horn. I always did find it weird the Starks do not follow the traditional burial customs of the First Men and all the Kings of Winter have iron swords in their laps to keep their souls at rest. Why though? It's like they're afraid of vengeful Stark spirits escaping the crypts or they're afraid of necromancers/Others controlling dead Stark wargs? If the Night's King was a Stark, it's possible his bones are in the crypts of Winterfell. That could be the reason why the lower levels are partially collapsed, to keep him sealed.
This is unrelated to the crypts (or maybe not), but Bloodraven is not the three-eyed crow. If you read the chapter where Bran first meets Bloodraven in the cave, Bran asks if he was the crow. Bloodraven is clueless what Bran is talking about. I personally believe the three-eyed crow (who Bran dreamt was in the crypts) is either the Great Other or the Night's King. Whatever that was locked away in the crypts, it's the "Winter" that put the winter in Winterfell and the Stark's words "Winter is Coming".
Gel Rose He seems confused at first, yes, but he also confirms that he’s visited Bran through dreams, so I am honestly conflicted on this one.
The quote, pulled directly from the book:
» “A… crow?” The pale lord’s voice was dry. His lips moved slowly, as if they had forgotten how to form words. “Once, aye. Black of garb and black of blood.” The clothes he wore were rotten and faded, spotted with moss and eaten through with worms, but once they had been black. “I have been many things, Bran. Now I am as you see me, and now you will understand why I could not come to you… except in dreams. I have watched you for a long time, watched you with a thousand eyes and one. I saw your birth, and that of your lord father before you. I saw your first step, heard your first word, was part of your first dream. I was watching when you fell. And now you are come to me at last, Brandon Stark, though the hour is late.”
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A Feast for Crows & A Dance With Dragons
George R. R. Martin
Dostoyevskyy Yes, Bloodraven has visited Bran in his dreams but if you notice in the quote, Bloodraven says he’s only been watching Bran his whole life, including in his dreams and when he fell. He never says he spoke to Bran. The three-eyed crow was talking to Bran when he was falling in his first greenseer dream. If Bloodraven was the three-eyed crow, then why wouldn’t he bring up he was the one telling Bran to fly or die?
I think Bloodraven was watching Bran as a weirwood tree, not as the crow. Bran sees a weirwood when he was falling.
“At the heart of the godswood, the great white weirwood brooded over its reflection in the black pool, its leaves rustling in a chill wind. When it felt Bran watching, it lifted its eyes from the still waters and stared back at him knowingly.” - A Game of Thrones, Bran III
The weirwood was watching Bran fall, which fits Bloodraven claiming he was watching Bran then. Melisandre actually sees Bran and Bloodraven in her flames as a wolf boy and a weirwood face.
“A face took shape within the hearth. Stannis? she thought, for just a moment … but no, these were not his features. A wooden face, corpse white. Was this the enemy? A thousand red eyes floated in the rising flames. He sees me. Beside him, a boy with a wolf's face threw back his head and howled.” - A Dance with Dragons, Melisandre I
I also think it’s damning evidence Bloodraven and the crow are not the same character because of the name change from three-eyed crow to three-eyed raven in the show. A change like that isn’t necessary unless for good reason.
Saw this on my homepage....i was like '2 hrs!!!Lol who's gonna watch all that...' and I'm over half way now lol
@0:24:00 - you've got me wondering about the Manderlys - they came from the south but they're now in close proximity to the Sisters whose residents are so closely related to sea creatures that they have "the mark" (webbed fingers and toes). So the Manderly sigil is a merman, right? That seems more from after their move, right?
We have a Manderly episode in the works, we'll be touching on this and some other questions! We're not entirely sure about the origin of the Merman symbol it is does likely date back to their days along the Mander (but by no means certain).
Your knowledge is both amazing and terrifying. Kudos on a great video.
We've got two books and a novella: the next Dunk and Egg story takes place in Winterfell, after all.
Brandon the Daughterless is probably ancient, Wildling oral history is somewhat unreliable as stories change over time. So the King's Road was entered into the story later (Wildlings don't know and don't really care how old it is, for them it has probably always been there, since it was built generations ago) and they don't really understand the difference between lords and kings (and again doesn't really care), the Starks are lords now, thus the Starks have become lords in the story, although they originally were kings.
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Amazing video! One of the best ASOIAF videos I've ever seen. With regards to Summer's seeing a winged snake; I like to believe that George envisions some dragons as having an existence far removed from humans, as when someone glimpses a species thought dead for a hundred years or more. There it was, going about it's life as though people never existed.
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Halfway through, enjoying it so far! Good point about everything else Summer sees as being figurative.. I think the fiery serpent and 'enough noise to wake a dragon' line are probably there for symbolism. Winterfell is like a burning / burnt moon "shell" from which a dragon has hatched.
Really enjoyed the part about Edric Snowbeard... something just clicked in for me. I tend to think of "Eldric Shadowchaser," a Westerosi-sounding name for Azor Ahai, as, well, the Last Hero, who is the Westerosi sword hero who fought the LN with a magic sword. Ergo it's important we find his name echoed in Stark and Dayne: Edric Dayne (named for a Stark too) and Ulrick Dayne, a SOTM; then we have Elric Stark and Edric Snowbeard Stark. All these figures are LH echoes, I think.
And Edric Snowbeard built the outer wall of Winterfell... just as the last hero built the Wall after the Long Night???? Perhaps...
Hopefully George is doing a "Tales Of The Shadowchasers" series of short stories in his spare time to tie things together. Ahhhhh sweet delusions of grandeur.
I'm doing a LH / Eldric Shadowchaser episode soon :)
Lucifer means Lightbringer YESSSS I suppose that'll work in the interim.
Haha nice to see how involved LML is :D I'm of the opinion that there could possibly be an egg in the crypt but I've been thinking since this takes place after Dany's hatching so couldn't the supposed miracle that birthed her dragons maybe have hatched other eggs globally??? Haha I now it sound Tinfoil AF but time wise it fits and could allow the dragon to actually fit in the crypt parallel to Dany's dragons being locked away and so forth. . . love to hear HOW and/or LML's opinion. Keep up the good work!!!
A penchant for stating the obvious... haha what a brilliant line. I love that. So he was the DUH dude.
Great vid Aziz. You legend.
And thanks Ashaya & everyone else 👍👍👍
this voice acting is hilarious, thanks
Ditto
I hate it
I'm wondering about when Bran first makes contact with Jon (when Jon is inside Ghost and Bran opens his third eye).
Bran is on the other side of the Wall under the crypts at that moment. We go on to learn the wall acts as something of a barrier for telepathy. So what's going on?
Do the crypts continue north all the way under the wall and act as something of a breaker to allow Bran's powers through?
OR... Is Jon being contacted from a version of Bran that exists in the future, who's already the three eyed crow?
Bran remembers that he once contacted Jon in the dream, so this couldn't be Bran from the future.
Perhaps starks are immune to the ward effects of the wall?
Ashara Stark Definitely the former. I bet those tunnels were where the Children of the Forest retreated when they realized they were being truly overrun by Men despite their various efforts (the few remaining seem rather comfortable enough inside of Bloodraven’s subterranean cave).
And I bet that those tunnels are how Bran returns to Winterfell/South of the Wall eventually.
Ygritte even speaks to Jon of a series of interconnected caves that go on presumably indefinitely (given their labyrinthian nature, at least)-I wonder if these are a part of the system as well.
my problem is the idea you can build on a hot spring. Won't water, volcanic activity and faultlines in the earth cause your castle to subside? Including walls below the earth, not just above.
I always thought it a bit dumb that the horn of winter was on the north side of the wall. "Yes, lets leave the ONE THING that can bring the Wall down with the wildlings and the white walkers". It would be much more fun if the horn was left in the cripts at Winterfell.
Well - it could have been an heirloom that was lost beyond the Wall. In The Wheel of Time, there is the Horn of Valere, which can bring back the dead heroes in the Last Battle: and it's found in a haven, which has fallen inside The Blight: the place of the Dark One's creatures.
The horn doesn't bring down the wall, it awakens the Starks from below winterfell who will help in the battle for the Dawn.
Well in the crypts there's not too many recent people. Lyanna, headless Ned, Rickon. And then Ned's grandfather and up. The older crypts even have the swords set across the laps decayed to nothing - no chance of bodies being there.
I don't see there being any magical return of Stark Kings, TBH.
I always wondered if the Others & Giants were responsible for building the wall to keep the Humans out of their lands. And that's why the horn was believed to be so far north by King Mance. Or perhaps it was the COTF who were known to be able to manipulate water so is it too big a stretch to think the Children built the Wall too. But for what purpose I'm not certain. I'm still pretty clueless as to why the seasons are the way they are, what made the White Walkers ice beings? Do they bring the winter or do they wake up in the winter? And why did they disappear for so long. And if they were defeated once, were the children or a few adult WhiteWalkers spared??? I mean in this type of war you usually want to end the line. Did they forget to destroy a ring or something & their spirit endured? Lol.
How long have the WhiteWalkers been back? If we knew what year they first started reappearing then I'd have an easier time explaining why their back & what their agenda is.
Great breakdown. Loved it.
I've just remembered something, when Winterfell was put to torch by the Boltons, and its entire population put to sword... Doesn't that mimic the great funeral pyre Dany and her khalasar set for Drogo? Both events involved casualties and fire. If there truly was a dragon egg somewhere in the Winterfell, this "sacrificial pyre" might have been enough for it to hatch. Summer noticed the "winged snake" in the epilogue, after the sack of Winterfell. The birth of a dragon seems to require a magic ritual of "Fire and Blood", so heat caused by geothermal activity just isn't enough.
Amazing conclusion. I like the way you think.
3 Vids in a month. Oh my, I am much obliged.
"The Tully aren't worried about their dead lords rising out of the river" Maybe they should *cofcofStoneheart
I think the Freys have more to worry about in regards to Lady Stoneheart.
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Man, you guys are good. Thank y'all so much for all the hard work! The whole Robs will part got me thinking...do y'all have a video or podcast about the?
We've talked about the Will in several places but have never dedicated an episode entirely to it. Maybe we should...
I'm fairly sure I remember it being mentioned in another video just not positive of which one. It's definitely an interesting topic. If y'all do make one I will enjoy it like I have the rest
I love these readings
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Why didn't ned just replace the rusted swords? And the next lord of winterfell replace the ones bran took
I think the tunnels under Winterfell were first made by an ancient wyrms (related to wyverns and dragons) before it was built over and later became the crypts.
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I'm new here, but if the video is as good as your intro I'm in for a treat.
The crypts are my favorite setting in the books. If the castle was secondary to the crypt what the hell is down there? I can't wait to find out
Yuss!!Thanks guys!
You can't use the King's Road as a time placement as it's an oral legend. It's more than likely changed over time for people to better understand it, suck as The King's Road beng placed in so listebers cwn place the story's location. (And the "Bridegroom" nickname makes me more think of an unlucky lad who died at or shortly after his wedding [or perhaps shortly before]).
just starting great video again! do you think the crypts were the true Winterfell originally began. so many ancient castles have tunnels. could have stayed down there during long night or hard winters staying warm near the springs
Maybe Jon is supposed to discover that Ned has a grave site for him, too, in the crypts.
That's a great idea that doesn't rest on the implausibility of people digging around in there and finding clues Ned probably would not have left (like the harp).
THANK YOU for a great video. One of the few out there giving great detailed commentary. Hope all is well with all the crew.
Either you know too much about this or I know too little
The explanation for the oldest tombs being furthest down may be simple archeology. 10,000 years ago ground level would be much lower down. Look how far we have to go down IRL to see prehistoric remains. IRL catacombs it's the same I think.
JoJo Lady Dayne I think originally they dug the tombs to bury something really deep
I know I’m coming to this one so late, but every time I hear a Rodrik or a Cregan, or a Theon, all I can think is that the Grayjoys, or someone in the Iron islands, must have come from the Starks, maybe the Grayirons by way of the Graystarks? I know there’s little to go on, but there’s so much name overlap in the North and the Iron Islands, and there’s load of sigil overlap… Glover vs Drumm, Grayiron vs Manderly, Drowned man of Sunderly vs Flayed man?
I was just thinking... maybe Rhaegar found an unhatched egg a while back (maybe at Summerhall?), while doing his research for the prophecy of Prince that Was Promised. Then, when he fathered Jon with Lyanna he gave the egg to Ned along with baby Jon (as per the old Targaryen tradition of keeping the egg with the baby so they bond). And maybe... that egg is down in the crypts, at Lyanna's tomb or elsewhere.
I think there has been an egg there since prince Jace made the marriage arrangements with Cregan Stark, the pact of ice and fire
And maybe it's an ice dragon 😅
Rhaegar died before Jon was born.
@@equissage9701 I meant to say that maybe he had an egg with him and Lyanna inside the tower of joy. And Ned took it to the crypts where Lyanna is buried.
Ned had no clue that his son had been crowned king did he? He had no idea that Robb would soon be king the last time they saw eachother.
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You're the best Aziz
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9 is a holy number in some cultures grrm surely is aware... 9 wrewoods in the grove beyond the wall. Most faces look out to see the land but these nine look in on the men of the knights watch
Simian Stareyes There were also nine rings distributed in the Lord of the Rings (outside of the One), Martin’s most referenced influence.
And the Crypts got even more mysterious with the recent GoT teaser!!!!
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Only a few minutes in to the video, so pardon me if this is covered later. The Weirwood trees! Winterfell is laid out on top of the trees roots, halls and architecture matching the pattern of the roots, the roots pump in the heat, and more is going on with those trees, with blood , sacrificing etc. If the Starks knew the dead return to life, why do they keep them there? Perhaps, the Starks on not what we think!
it could be possible that Vermax laid eggs elsewhere, which were transferred to the hot spring crypt area.
it is also a wise Maester that keeps something as big as dragon eggs thought of as myth.
Absolutely true, Vermax didn't have to enter the crypt for the eggs to wind up there.
Oddly enough i thought u looked familiar, amd then i was looking at some photographs of my father when he was young in the 70s, the resemblence is haunting. I guess doppelgangers come in all decades and centuries.
Good job on the vid.
bloodraven isn't the 3 eyed crow, he's just the 3 eyed raven in the show. in the books, the 3 eyed crow is something else. this is pretty well established when bran finally makes it to bloodraven's cave and asks him point blank if he's the 3 eyed crow, to which bloodraven is perplexed and has no clue what he's talking about.
Velka is the 3 eyed crow. Your welcome.
@@LilHaze117 *You´re
Learn what a fucking apostrophe is, people.
What if there was a secret entrance that was only known by Brandon the builder.
The dead cannot enter Winterfell because it hot and ice melts.
great stuff, as always...but why the 3/4 angle? You're not being interviewed...not bitching, it was just sorta distracting.
Something we were trying out, but we don't do it anymore.
I share the same beliefs the Starks and the Others are connected by blood. The 13th Lord Commander was believed to be a Stark who married an Other. Perhaps the legend is true but misconstrued over time.
What if the Stark married the Night Queen AFTER the Long Night occurred? Starks are accustomed to marrying the daughters of foes defeated in battle. Winterfell got its name for a reason. It is the place where "winter fell". The first battle of the Dawn could have taken place there and the crypts became the prison of the Great Other. Winter could very much be the name of the Great Other, whose daughter is the Night Queen. The Stark words warn that "Winter is Coming" after all. I always did believe the crypts of Winterfell were home to something more than dead Stark Kings. Why else would Jon say there's something down there other than the kings which frightens him? Why else are the Starks concern about the dead rising in the crypts and placing iron swords there to keep the restless spirits at bay? The three-eyed crow who is an agent of or is the Great Other was residing in the crypts before Bran came along and maybe the Great Other is also the dragon Bran/Summer saw emerging in his wolf dream. Is it a coincidence the dragon left the crypts and the North was hit with a severe snowstorm?
Also I need to say Bloodraven is NOT the three-eyed crow. I'll admit I'm guilty of believing he was at one point until I read Bran II in "A Dance with Dragons". Bran asked if Bloodraven was the three-eyed crow, which Brynden seemed confused about as he replied "...a crow?" That really blew my mind because if Bloodraven is not the three-eyed crow, then who else is communicating with Bran through his dreams? Crows are trickster birds and obviously Bran is being tricked. He even stated in "A Game of Thrones" the crow lied to him about flying. Suddenly Melissandre's vision of Bran and Bloodraven being champions of the Great Other seems to have a ring of truth to it. The books also make a point to say ravens and crows are very different. Then you have the TV series changing the three-eyed crow to be the three-eyed raven. That must have been done on purpose to imply the three-eyed crow and Bloodraven are not the same character.
The idea that "the great other" exists outside of Mellisandre's head/ the mythos of R'hollorism is something i find hard to match the themes of aSoIaF. George even said we wont see a god or something like it, so I doubt we will ever get confirmation on the existince of gods (or proof that they dont), so the idea that some higher being who is inprisoned in the cripts and who may or may not escape seems very farfetched to me. And I dont see the Night Queen as an other, but more like an ice preistess, like an inverted Mel or Moqorro who seem to be transforming into somthing resembling a half fire-being
And the idea that Bloodraven isn't the three-eyed crow is based on the assumtion that one knows how one appeas to others in magical dreams/ vision, and would recognize one self in how others percive one self in these dreams. It's symbology, and the symbology related to a specific person could change in relation to how that person grow over time and what contex the vision shows them in.
And the dragon Summer sees fly out of Winterfell is purely symbolic, and not to be taken literally. So of course it's no coincedence that there'se a correlation with the weather, as it serves as symbolic :)
Gel Rose
Old nan said ‘all crows are liars’
37:40 (not that I support a "northern dragon") that smoke winged snake wouldn't have come from the crypts (door close, etc) but could had from somewhere up in the First Keep or the Broken Tower. But whatever it was, there is an Ice Dragon northerners know, it's in the sky and it's blue eye star points to the (heart of winter) northernmost north.
Could it be the black pool by the weirwood tree, when ice dragons die they become a puddle...
Nice video as always, but why do all of you think bloodRAVEN is the three-eyed-CROW???
It seeems that grrm distinguishes Ravens and Crows. Raven being for men and helping them and crows, well eating them.
Also; when bran comes to the cave where bloodraven is he asks him if bloodraven is the three-eyed-crow and brandon replies: A crow?..... Yeah once and refers to him being member of the nights watch. So bloodraven himself says that he is not the crow. And he said he watched bran in his dreams since his birth, well bran never remembers a three eyed crow in his dreams before he fell from the tower. But once there was also a weirwood-tree who spoke to bran, or better tried to speak(the crow was also there pecking brans forehead and/or interrupted the tree. So BR went with two different shapes? Given that he sits in a weirwoodthrone it is more likely he was the weirwood not the crow.
The then would be someone else, and thinking about the fact what the crow seems to represent in mythology in our world(death, darkness,...) it seems that the crow is nothing good, which would also explain why it visited euron greyjoy, as listing him to its cause for the bad seems to be a good choice.
Bloodraven seems to be the most greyish charakter in the world of ice and fire, as I see it he did everything he could to help the people and serve as good as possible, with very controversial manner of course.
we have a 3 part series on Bloodraven coming out. We will present the evidence then, but I will say for now, that there is *a lot*.
Remember that a lot of people, especially wildlings, call Night's Watch "crows". Bloodraven was in the Night's Watch.
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Gray Ghost and Ghost could be John Snow's guardians sleeping until needed
Wouldn’t it make more sense for the oldest kings to be buried closest to the surface, and the newer kings buried farther below as more and more levels were dug deeper and deeper to accommodate more and more dead kings? Instead of the newest dead kings buried on the very first level closest to the surface? Unless the crypts are actually a cavern. But even then, ...
Also its very likely that House Starks original sigil wasn't a Direwolf. They got the Grey wolf on a white field from Gaven Greywolf and his kin whom they conquered and wed their daughters. Same thing with warging coming from them and the Warg King who again, they took his daughters. Just a thought. House Stark were invaders of the North who kicked out the Blackwoods, took their area, then made war with every one else. House Stark tied to Garth the Green.
Much as Orys Baratheon took the sigil, words and daughter of Durrandon. Likely what Lann did too of the Casterley who were tied to Lions.
Excellent thought, and entirely possible. Also worth mentioning that the First Men didn't care about banners and sigils and house words nearly as much as the Andals did, so that helps this theory out.
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Lyanna has a statue because she was Queen of the Seven Kingdoms when she died.
The 2nd statue/tomb is not for Ned's brother Brandon to lie next to his father (a lie for a promise) but Jon's tomb as rightful King of the Seven Kingdoms when he dies...and buried next to his mother, the Queen.
Why not only use the front camera and a little less light :)
Otherwise i love hearing your theories and "tinfoil" ideas, and my favorit podcast :)
If Vermax really did lay eggs in the crypts, how do you suppose she (?) Got into them? I've always been under the impression that it was tricky to enter.
The cave-ins on thw lower levels connect to a natural cave network due to the volcanic activity, and a dragon cold blooded would seek out warm volcanic caves. Just my opinion.
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I find it incredibly annoying to the point that I can't watch, can only listen. STOP MOVING YOUR HEAD UNNECESSARILY
Chris Connor I was just thinking the same.
What if the Starks bury their dead in the crypts in that way you know with a stone statue and their direwolf and weapon so that one day they will rise to fight the night king once the whites cross the wall we might see something like this in season 8
Lets hope you're right
Rhaegar Targaryen is Babel The Bard. He and lyanna had their kid at winterfell.