Weight Cutting isn't a problem in MMA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, I discuss my most CONTROVERSIAL OPINION which is that weight cutting isn't a problem in the UFC or MMA. Do you think the same or do you disagree? Let me know in the comments below
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I consider weight cutting a problem because it effects the fighters health.
That’s the fairest argument to me I talk about it in the second half of the vid at 6:16
I mean we’re not their mamas it’s up to the fighters to take that risk and some fighters do need to weight cut like Volk walks around 190+ y’all want him to fight a middle weight
@@inmexicomma Sure you can see it like that.
but i believe one needs to show some empathy for the fighters. Sure they do take the risk voluntarily. But sure just because that this is what it takes. Not because they like it so much.
@@slamoto2sounds like everything in life
@@xertz2502 sure. because everything in life is as dangerous as an extreme weightcut.
Bro have you ever actually fought? 10 pounds makes a huge difference. I'm 165. I've fought guys that are 185. They hit like a truck. I've fought guys at 145. They felt like pillows.
Ik what you’re saying but that’s an actual 40 pound difference a UFC 145 vs 155 is normally 170vs185 my point which I didn’t really get across well was that fighters cutting that extra last bit doesn’t matter and it’s a good thing to move up as the last 10 pounds are obviously the worst
@@JohnDoesMMA bro i walk around at 135, the people i have to fight at 135 walk around at 155-165, which is a huge fucking difference. It levels out if everyone is doing it, so if you dont cut weight at all youre essentially in a weight class full of people 20 pounds heavier. But the big problem about weight cutting isnt the cheating, its fighter health and impact on performance.
Yes, but the 185 dudes you fought were most likely healthy and not dehydrated as fuck. those guys (true 185ers) would be moving up a weight classs so
Stats typically don't matter compared to your experience. Stats show moving up and fighting at your weight makes you more likely to win. So maybe skill difference bro.
you're kind of arguing that weight cutting is a problem, because guys who go down in weight often lose (and they have to cut more weight), vs guys who go up in weight often win (and they cut less weight). this would imply that weight cutting is in fact a problem
Haha damn didn’t think of it like that
Yeah, that's literally the only problem i have with weight cutting like why cutting so much weight when everyone can do the same to the point that it isnt an advantage anymore it's became an absurd bare minimum standard that make fighters can't perform to their full potential
It's not a problem because it's "cheating" or gives you an insane advantage, it's a problem because it's dangerous.
Someone like Islam Makhachev is supposedly a "weight bully" but against say Oliveira he weighed at the very most 5-10 pounds heavier in the octagon, which makes little to no difference. Not to mention that small weight advantage cancels out because of the dehydration
How is weight cutting a problem? if those who do weight cut keep losing, but moving up they win. At that point its on them if they want those problems.
Why would redrawing the UFC "landscape" be a negative? For the sake of fighter health it's seems worth it. Blaming it on the fighters choice is a moot point. Considering the rules encourage it.
Weight cutting is obviously an advantage almost every current champion is bigger than the champs from 10 years ago like compare gsp to edwards and pantoja to dj
Look at Frankie Edgar and islam they recently posted a picture together and islam dwarfs him
They are also waaaay fking more athletic. So what does it matter?
@@JohnDoesMMAto be fair even back then Frankie was always considered small for the division. Dana even said he was better than gsp and jon jones at the time because of it after his trilogy.
Weight cutting is a big problem it’s just so unnecessary and hurts the fighters health people should fight at their natural weight class
I'm glad you addressed about the weight cutting. Its so annoying how so many people blaming the consequences of the weight cutting to the ufc or promotion itself. When it's obvious if they just use a little commonse sense, it is the fighter's choice.
Rogan only started saying that because of cope when adesanya lost to alex 😂
Rogan d rides Izzy so hard
its cope but alex does have nearly 30lbs on izzy. alex was cutting to 185 from 223 and izzy was barely 200
I like the take. Don’t necessarily agree with it from a fans perspective because it makes them gas out and not be able to perform at their best
Great analysis, not a perspective you hear a lot. I completely agree with the idea of the fighter managing their own risk, dictating their division of choice based on a balance between cutting weight vs where they perform the best. For people who cut a prolific amount of weight like Alex Pereira (or a plethora of other examples), there's a balance for him between the strain of the weight cut, his chin/ability to take punches, his speed, his power, his stamina, etc. Your examples of Burns, Strickland, Michel Pereira, Oliveira-were all exactly the names I was thinking of.
Based on the comments, I can say a fair middle ground is somewhere where we consider fighter health but also acknowledge that the weight cutting landscape lies in the hands of the commission and athletes themselves. For example, there are plenty of athletes who cut a significant amount of weight and have potentially had it affect their performances (say Hooker in his Allen fight, Holloway at 145 in his fights with Volk compared to his masterclass with Gaethje, Oliveira at 145, etc). Moving up towards natural weight classes should at least be more encouraged, for both fighter health & for performance purposes. Yet, I still don't believe it should be mandated; the landscape changes every day and we're only observing more examples of people being able to achieve success by choosing their division on their own
Damn bro you put what I wanted to say better in a comment than I could in a 10 minute video haha
lets not get that wrong cutting weight isnt bad its just cutting to much. if you cut nothing you would get mollywopped
Ya Ik what your saying I figured most people would know I was talking abt instead of killing yourself going 175->145 you move up to 155
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Haha preciate it bro
Nice video. Yeah I agree with the point about fighters moving up helping them, the skill of smaller weight classes causes a lot of these guys to struggle. Look at Robert Whittaker, from getting smoked at 170 to becoming champion at 185. Albeit I don't think 125 is more skilled than 135, but that's probably the only example of that being true. I just subscribed to you because it's cool to see a fresh perspective from an MMA channel and you seem to know what you're talking about.
Weight cutting is the norm. If it wasn't advantageous, they wouldn't be doing it.
Moving up is only beneficial if the guys you are fighting are slower/less skilled... which most of the time, that's the case.
Other than that, how it is still doesn't make sense due to the fact that fighters are weighing differently after they rehydrate. So are the fighters actually the same size? Not really. It's all about how much weight do you choose to cut.
Bad way of looking at it. just because people do things, doesnt make it advantageous. the stats prove otherwise. its like saying that doing Fent/Alcohol/Cocaine is advantageous, because if it wasn't people wouldnt be dying from it.
So cutting beyond a certain point is not advantageous, sure. But cutting up to that point absolutely is advantageous, otherwise we can’t explain why every single fighter without exception cuts weight. But I really hate the term weight bully because it’s meaningless: every fighter is free to manipulate their body composition however they want and choose whichever weight division they want, always balancing that equation of size vs performance to try and find a sweet spot. There’s zero point moaning because your favourite fighter lost to a guy who might speculatively have cut a tiny percentage more weight than him - your favourite guy was free to enter his cut with a few extra pounds too, if he thought it was beneficial. He didn’t, because he didn’t. End of story.
Agree plus some guys their chin can get worse with weight cuts.
Been saying the Justin KO doesn’t show max has power, glad to see at least one person with a functioning brain and not just relentlessly meat riding
Ik people take it as disrespect when it’s just a fact like I think max is definetly top 15 all time doesn’t mean he magically got ko power I mean if you’re setting records for sig strikes all the time that kinda means you don’t got power or every dude you fight somehow has granite chin
@@JohnDoesMMA exactly. Dudes try to argue that his strikes equate to KO 😂😂 in his last 10 at FW max has a 90% decision KO ratio, and the one KO is from TKZ who has a coin flip record so it isn’t that impressive imo.
I agree though people just take it as an insult despite there being objective proof that it’s the case. He has no power and the KO on Justin had heavy asterisks to it.
Imagine if Olivera pulled guard and waved Justin to jump in, he does and gets subbed would these people be like OMG OLIVES SUBMISSION IQ IS INHUMAN!
The ko was heavily due to Justin mouth breathing from the kick that was aimed at his body, that Justin ducked into. Not to take anything away from max but ignoring that is why mfs lose money on bets. I’m curious to see the Holloway by KO lines vs topuria 💀💀
It sounds disrespectful but if you swap out max with damn near any fighter on the roster 90% of them could’ve KOd Justin in that same exchange
The data doesn't point out their BMI or something. Then it would be clearer.
For example : Just because Max is fighting at feather weight doesn't mean he should be.
His frame and height should make him way higher.
They just never reach their natural weight because they need to be available for a weight cut at any moment.
Great point that either moving up each weight class or adding rehydration basically creates a new promotion eliminating all the history from each division
A lot of people said that was stupid but form a fan perspective it totally sucks
isn't the main point of weight cutting that for example lets say that they will fight at 150 lbs and someone dehydrates himself for the weigh in and then just eats shit ton of carbs and drinka lot of water than if he pushes it to the extreme he will be WAY heavier than his opponent from my knowledge alex perera does that a lot
Isn't that an advantage and a good thing to do for a fighter then?
@@user-ge3me3zj2nya but for every guy who does that there’s another one who just stays closer to his natural weight and wins
@@user-ge3me3zj2n it's bad because its dangerous for the fighter who does that but if we don't look at it then sure
imo it definitely gives an advantage, but it also comes with many if not more disadvantages, alex being at MW was definitely an advantage, but he’s a much better fighter at LHw
Been saying this for a moment, cool to see somebody go through the effort of plotting the data
All credit to that reddit user idk how he got all the data it’s crazy
I consider weight cutting a problem because it's in some way part of the fight we don't got to see and we don't really want to because it's boring
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The problem is that they cut too much.
If you dont cut at all you will get whooped. Nobody does it for fun because its clearly not.
What Aljo and others did is getting bigger (again?) first and than cut anyway. The cut is easier tho as not only you probably cut a bit less but you start camp at your normal seize and not an already surpressed/compromised version.
ITS UP AND ITS STUCK 😂on the weight cutting in the ufc bc you can’t can’t contract an rehydration clause either
Olivera did better at lw because he got better, and Holloway is arguably in the top 15 goat list so of course he’s gonna have success moving up against someone’s who was never champion
I subbed. Great stuff
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Dana just saw this video and announced a new fight: Derrick Lewis vs Steve Erceg!!
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I dont care that its cheating, i want to see people at midleweight being midle weight and not light heavy weight else id be watching light heavyweight. I dont like the ufc lying to me in such manner
Weight Cutting is only a boon if it's a few people doing it. Since almost everyone is doing it, it's less of an advantage and more of an even playing field, only if you discount some guys being better at weight cutting than others (the classic example is Conor).
However, it becomes a big risk for the fighter's health, especially since people *really* want to get that advantage and thus cut crazy amounts of weight and drop two or three weight classes lower than their natural weight. The advantage is super obvious (more mass means more power), but so are the risks to stamina and brain health.
One bad thing about that data sheet though is that it doesn't really take context into account, like guys aging and having to move up weight while also getting better at the game.
And another big fucking problem: Missed weight. Stopping weight cutting reduces the wait times on fights since you dont have to reshuffle cards or make a catchweight fight because someone couldn't make the necessary cut.
Yeah a lot of Joe Rogan's takes are ridiculous.
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Nah man, it's on the promotion and state authorities to set the rules, not the fighters. They are often people with emotional damage who are desperate as fuck, the sport needs to change.
good video but obviously the data doesn't really prove that it's better. i will agree that someone mentioning skill advantage while also talking about weight bullies is contradicting themselves but the examples you provide aren't great. like with gaethje and max, max has a fairly big frame and he had time to move up. additionally you can't really prove that the people moving up weren't just massive for their weight class as well, or the fact they CAN move up means they had enough weight to contend in that higher class. i do think skill difference > weight is true but it's more complicated than one side or the other. we do see the difference weight makes, sometimes it's bad (i can think of that one chinese boxer who was a big fav but gassed out bc he was too heavy) sometimes it makes them dominant (mcgregor). the data makes sense, you are comparing an elite fighter at a certain weight class against a fighter at his natural weight with the skill gap shrinking or widening respectively, in the favour of the person going up.
additionally: every single champ on the roster cuts weight and aren't in their natural weight class. Pantoja, O'Malley, Edwards, Islam, Dricus less so, Pereira and Aspinall could easily be a weight class above. Some are better than others but this is a straight up trend. Topuria is even fairly muscular. Tell me how it makes sense that you can have a LHW be 6'2 and then look at Edwards in WW. If Edwards had a slightly smaller frame, he would get battered in a lower weight class. Size is straight up a massive deal. Islam and Arman are completely roided to the gills and it's obvious, they are the two best light weights at the moment. Another recent one you can look at is Crod: He had to rob a win over a complete MMA novice (elite wrestler tbf) while he beat Saaiman on a death cut, he (in reality) lost to a guy who isn't well rounded at all when he moved up.
I do disagree slightly with your overall take, but I also agree with a fair bit of it and I like contrarian takes because too many dummies are in this community and just repeat what is trending on reddit or twitter. It looks like weight matters more at the elite level where people are as skilled as each other, someone like a Makhachev or even a Pereira who is bigger AND more skilled than anyone in their weight class.
I think the advantage of going up a weight class is not so much the added physical strength and mass. It is that the lighter fighter had his eyes trained for speedier opponents. The bigger opponent throws fewer, slower strikes. But this effect doesn't last long. Volk gave Islam fits in his first fight at lightweight, but by their second fight his eyes had adjusted. Conor looked like he was the fastest lightweight in the world but only for the Alvarez fight. Name any fighter that moves up a weight class. They look brilliant for one or two fights, then their eyes adjust and are just like anyone else's in the division.
The smart thing for Max is to return to featherweight.
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Of coarse its cheating, look at Pereira, on fight day he gains lots of weight which means more weight in his punches, why was Conor so powerful in featherweight, cause he was bigger
Awsome take john, i picked max john, nice channel john, fuck the fighters john, tottaly agree john
No way you think Islam would beat Leon, casual ass take
Bad take and bad analysis IMO. Every fighter cuts, because every fighter knows it gives an advantage. Just depends to what degree they can tolerate it. Very few if any step on the scales at “natural” weight. Even Pereira cuts to make light heavyweight.
Comparing fighters who “move up” or “move down” divisions is irrelevant. They have to make the same weight on the scales as their opponent does.
Is it cheating? No, everyone has to play by the same rules.
Is it adding extra risks and danger to a sport that’s already super risky? Absolutely. And that’s the issue, it’s added risk that is possibly unnecessary.
Max does have ko power he just don’t sit down on shots like that
an actual fighter died from weight cutting just saying that "the fighters wanna do it" or smth like that idc im not rewatchin that, is just invalid. ofc these fighters would do anything for success it doesnt mean that they should be allowed to do that
the problem with weight cutting is that it seeps down to the lower levels, ufc guys in the 2020s have every bit of technology to make it as safe as it could be. it sucks but a lot of it is superficial and exaggerated to fuck
@@manuell09645 not every 2020's ufc has the money to use that technology, it very well still has a big toll on their health and mental health
it's not that people say "bigger is better every time", they don't. they say: "good big fighter beats good small fighter most times". at their elite level, it is massively effective, otherwise they wouldn't do it. when everyone is good, three-dimensional growth in inches (because humans are 3d) can make a huge difference. you are going from the perception that they do it to get a technical advantage, but they do it to get a physical advantage that will then produce a technical advantage by handicapping the opponent, not by making them better technically.
it is a problem. until they start weighing the fighters on the day of like many amateur feds do, the pros will keep weight cutting, it didn't start yesterday, it took many decades of progression in boxing science to really dial in what were the goods and bads of cutting weight, and if it didn't give them an advantage, they wouldn't still be doing it like 50 years after it initially took off.
size advantage is also not absolute, but exhaustive. take for example Buckley vs Ruziboev this saturday. Buckley was fighting so low in comparison to Ruziboev's height, that he couldn't be hit with a good one, too far down. in this case, buckley's the better fighter, and he knew how to exploit the differences between size.
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L take
I think that as you grow older youll come to realize there's more nuance than the way youre laying this out
Is Conner really going to fight?
Yes but he could definitely pop for a party drug at this rate dudes coked out of his mind
Bruh u legit said Chaels sonens quote incorrectly to make him say something he didn’t.
"Testosterone was perfectly legal. I took it to get an edge. I would never take something that wouldn't benefit me" thats a direct quote I found I've heard him say stuff like that all the time Chael was a open and honest on his PED usage
Your geathje and max example isnt good cause max looked bigger than geathje in the fight
Yeah crying over weight cuts is silly. There are benefits and advantages of cutting or not cutting. If you’re good at it it’s mostly good, but you still run the risks.
Facts bro im not stupid enough to think dehydration doesn’t harm fighters but it’s on them to run the risk to try and get an advantage imo 🤷♂️
@@JohnDoesMMAIf they don’t run the risk of weight cutting then they run the risk of getting knocked out or ragdolled in grappling by people that are and have that size and weight advantage. There’s a reason why pretty much everyone weight cuts, and for the minority that doesn’t, there’s only ever maybe 2 or 3 of them that you hear make it to high levels in modern mma
If rules to limit drastic weight cuts were made, more people would be inclined to fight closer to or at their natural weight. But with no incentive to actually do so, they have no reason to stop weight cutting. Which forces almost everyone else to weight cut just to even the playing field. At this point weight cutting isn’t an advantage, it’s just the standard…which isn’t a good thing for the fighters health
@@jocoolshowdid you watch the video? The video literally states that statistically speaking weight cutting lowers your chance of winning.
@@ChaosReaper426 If that were actually the case then there wouldn’t be any weight cutting. Most fight teams have most aspects of mma down to a science and there’s s reason why weight cutting is more prevalent now than it was in the past and why it’s…in video game terms…a meta now
oh no he got his data from reddit LMAO
Dude why would a guy go through all that effort to lie
Bad take. I'm guessing you never fought or sparred or did any of that stuff?
I train 5 days a week at a mma gym and spar somewhat regularly I fight guys near my weight class but that’s not really my point in the vid
@@JohnDoesMMA so when u spar a guy 20 pounds heavier then u, its just as hard as the people in ur weight class? ofc if you're more skilled than the bigger guy you'll most likely win but if you guys have the same experience I guarantee bigger guy will dominate.
@@JohnDoesMMA if weight cutting wasn't an advantage then fighter who are 10x more knowledgeable than you wouldn't be doing it.
@@AA-vx4yb yes but that’s my point is the guys in 170 are way less skilled than the guys in 155
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Im against weight cutting for the reason that it puts fighters in unnecessary harm in my opinion, their brains are already on the line but with dehydration its quadruple as bad