It always cracks me up how Eoin gets this “1000 yard stare” whenever Fitzy gives his longer explanations haha. I’m not adept at video editing but can someone do a “Hello darkness, my old friend” zoom - slo mo - and black white clip ? I think it be hilarious. Thanks for the content gents !
Agree heavy 150kg+ bench pressing might be more preferable, but cleaning and strict pressing 100kg+ is alot more badass, you rarely see it and it's alot more athletic, much better workout, most i've ever managed is 100kg x 2 strict press, that guy at the end with 114kg x 3 must be benching close to 200kg, insane
In combat athletics, the athletes I know that are proficient and strong at cleans, front squats and OHP variations including push press and jerks are far more powerful than those who have massive bench presses and back squats.. not that they’re bad movements, but I don’t think they’re as preferable to these sports as the former
@@leftphilange69 I agree, cleans, pressing, jerks, require far more athleticism and explosiveness. I have no clue about combat sports, but follow a few elite 100m/200m sprinters and they all incorporate them in training. I don't see them benching much
A lot of athletes use push press and/or jerk variations instead of strict overhead presses, on top of bench press instead of strict overhead work. Look at how shot/discus throwers train, they seem to love these two movements.
Yeah, but imagine trying to teach a football team to push press on top of everything else. Gurph was saying teaching a decent strict press is difficult enough
Because it's hard. Overhead press is a full body exercise and a weakness exposer. Only after every little weakness along the spine and legs has been addressed, only then does the exercise become about the actual pressing itself. Even then, the shoulders may need to be retrained in the active position, wide down and back.
All blacks couldn't OHP 80KG? Feeling good about myself today.. Great pressing Jordanhoughton90 super strong.. interesting stance, might have to give a try myself!
Since you mentioned rom/mobility in comparing the 2 lifts, how far would you go in addressing a field athlete's mobility? Say you have an American football player who can only back squat to slightly above parallel, would you work on increasing his range of motion? Would you have him do some other lift for leg strength? Is it only a problem if it hinders their sports performance? Big fan of the videos btw. Keep it up.
My 2cents: -squat with an elevated heel (start empty bar and build up in weight, only use an elevation high enough to allow which allows full rom) -train ankle mobility/flexion -train his tibAnterior How’s his ability to decelerate?
I think a big thing with the bench is it's comparatively non-fatiguing as the rest of your body doesn't need to do as much stabilization work compared to a military press where your core and back have to work a lot harder. So I think for overall recovery if you had someone do 5-10 heavy sets of standing military press compared to the same with the bench, the athlete would be less recovered on the actual playing or practice field the next day compared to the bench even with heavier weights. In my opinion nothing really builds the core stabilizers better than the military press and front squat, both of which you use less weight but require a lot more stabilizers than their cousin powerlifting exercises (back squats and bench.)
3:40 go to a public gym and you’ll see that statement is most certainly false Jokes aside, man is actually 100% correct the bench is a less skill full lift than a quality OHP, I know guys who can bench 130+ kg and can’t overhead press 40kilos
Do you think that a Bench press is more applicable to sports than a push press? Incline Press seems more like the actual movement used in most sports than a Flat Bench press because we are limited with how much we can push horizontally from a standing position when the torso is not supported. I've always believed a 225lb push press for reps would be a better NFL combine test than the 225 lb bench for reps. The push press shows you can exert that force on the field. The NFL combine is soon so your response would be timely.
Well to be fair the Strict Press has its percs when it comes to train the upper back, which is something the bench press does not do. Unfortunatly the bench is so much more common, that it's difficult to estimate which one would be better for let's say greco roman wrestler, mma fighters, boxers or fottball players, if all other circumstances are the same.
I really hate bench press and I do much better in vertical pressing. But I still think bench press is a better workout for athletes if choices are limited. First, horizontal pressing strength is more important in different sports and sprinting. Second, it trains more muscle but less fatigue.
I'm not happy with my 1bw press because I've done it in my first year of lifting. 1bw OHP is not a big deal especially if you're a lightweight lifter but to progress beyond that is sooo much harder.
Hey that's awesome! I'm part of my universities rowing club. What kind of exercises you suggest to do for this sport? I have a general idea and my coach is great and tells us what to do as well. Just wondering if I can get a different input!
Non-contact sport like basketball? Maybe not the same type of contact as other sports but saying basketball is a non-contact sports makes me profoundly salty sir
I disagree, Benching correctly is more technical. Also technicality on bench is more important bc it is more dangerous especially for the shoulders. OHP is far more intuitive, its just harder so people shy away
how? ohp involves movement of the scapula, head movement, greater range of motion, shoulder mobility, core bracing and stabilization, etc.. bench is simple: retract/depress the scapula, don't flare your elbows, push.
Because strict press is hard. My best bench is 185 kg and my best press is only 100 kg. You gotta be willing to take those small PRs and be patient, something most of us lack. Looking to get a 120 kg press this year though lads! I’m actually training the lift now thanks to that strict press vid y’all made 😂😂😂
Definitely have to be patient with it, with that bench you can do 120kg this year, very strong, I can only bench 150kg and can do 100kg x 2 ( barely ), hoping to be doing 100kg for reps this year, i've done my first youtube upload now of my strict press, that the guys said it's rare to do 100kg, feeling great stronger than all blacks at OHP :):) th-cam.com/video/CjmQFDoLQro/w-d-xo.html
@@declanosullivan8749 good to hear the confirmation! I think strict press is super cool and kind of a nebulous lift because no one really trains it as hard as bench
It always cracks me up how Eoin gets this “1000 yard stare” whenever Fitzy gives his longer explanations haha. I’m not adept at video editing but can someone do a “Hello darkness, my old friend” zoom - slo mo - and black white clip ? I think it be hilarious.
Thanks for the content gents !
His fidgeting kills me every video 🤣 he never know what’s to do when fitz starts talking. Hilarious!
@@jackemarleeyoung You know we’re fans when we pick up on these subtleties
Agree heavy 150kg+ bench pressing might be more preferable, but cleaning and strict pressing 100kg+ is alot more badass, you rarely see it and it's alot more athletic, much better workout, most i've ever managed is 100kg x 2 strict press, that guy at the end with 114kg x 3 must be benching close to 200kg, insane
In combat athletics, the athletes I know that are proficient and strong at cleans, front squats and OHP variations including push press and jerks are far more powerful than those who have massive bench presses and back squats.. not that they’re bad movements, but I don’t think they’re as preferable to these sports as the former
@@leftphilange69 I agree, cleans, pressing, jerks, require far more athleticism and explosiveness. I have no clue about combat sports, but follow a few elite 100m/200m sprinters and they all incorporate them in training. I don't see them benching much
Can you talk about using the knurling of the barbell as an exfoliator? Thanks fellas.
Gurph:”Great exfoliator”
Fitz:”Phenomenal exfoliator”
@@luiscalderon7383I can hear it.
I like to deadlift with a squat bar to exfoliate my shins
A lot of athletes use push press and/or jerk variations instead of strict overhead presses, on top of bench press instead of strict overhead work. Look at how shot/discus throwers train, they seem to love these two movements.
Gurph's point brings up another interesting discussion point:
Push press vs bench press? You can still get quite "heavy" stimulus from push press
Yeah, but imagine trying to teach a football team to push press on top of everything else. Gurph was saying teaching a decent strict press is difficult enough
@@aidanivesdavis push press takes a solid 5 minutes to learn.
@@TheUcHiHaMaD If you don't want to learn the important techniques and cues, then yeah I agree.
Nice video lads, well done Jordan on impressive lift, Happy Christmas Tobey🐕
When my OHP was 92.5kg for a strict single I was regular hitting 140kg bench press at 76kg bodyweight
Bro that is crazy! may God give you more strength!!
the pondering the camera at the beginning is good
Because it's hard. Overhead press is a full body exercise and a weakness exposer. Only after every little weakness along the spine and legs has been addressed, only then does the exercise become about the actual pressing itself. Even then, the shoulders may need to be retrained in the active position, wide down and back.
All blacks couldn't OHP 80KG? Feeling good about myself today.. Great pressing Jordanhoughton90 super strong.. interesting stance, might have to give a try myself!
Damn, I'm almost at 80kg at lower bodyweight. These are the rugby guys right?
Rolling back the years with the Lyle Scott tee are ya heading a disco
is there any evidence to support this "more weight = better"? if that's true why not do quarter reps with way more weight?
Since you mentioned rom/mobility in comparing the 2 lifts, how far would you go in addressing a field athlete's mobility? Say you have an American football player who can only back squat to slightly above parallel, would you work on increasing his range of motion? Would you have him do some other lift for leg strength? Is it only a problem if it hinders their sports performance? Big fan of the videos btw. Keep it up.
My 2cents:
-squat with an elevated heel (start empty bar and build up in weight, only use an elevation high enough to allow which allows full rom)
-train ankle mobility/flexion
-train his tibAnterior
How’s his ability to decelerate?
Strict press is very fatiguing on the core and legs. Bench press is not
Exactly. I find OHP is more fatiguing than BP. It puts stress on the whole system especially CNS.
I think a big thing with the bench is it's comparatively non-fatiguing as the rest of your body doesn't need to do as much stabilization work compared to a military press where your core and back have to work a lot harder. So I think for overall recovery if you had someone do 5-10 heavy sets of standing military press compared to the same with the bench, the athlete would be less recovered on the actual playing or practice field the next day compared to the bench even with heavier weights. In my opinion nothing really builds the core stabilizers better than the military press and front squat, both of which you use less weight but require a lot more stabilizers than their cousin powerlifting exercises (back squats and bench.)
Thanks for the answer guys! Keep it up!
Happy Christmas....thanks for always great content
3:40 go to a public gym and you’ll see that statement is most certainly false
Jokes aside, man is actually 100% correct the bench is a less skill full lift than a quality OHP, I know guys who can bench 130+ kg and can’t overhead press 40kilos
1.5xBW bench. 2xBW squat. Maybe next xmass.
Didn’t know Christmas was a official holiday in Sikastan.
Merry Christmas 🎄
I strict press more than All Blacks? Today is a good day
Best thumbnail yet
Do you think that a Bench press is more applicable to sports than a push press? Incline Press seems more like the actual movement used in most sports than a Flat Bench press because we are limited with how much we can push horizontally from a standing position when the torso is not supported.
I've always believed a 225lb push press for reps would be a better NFL combine test than the 225 lb bench for reps. The push press shows you can exert that force on the field.
The NFL combine is soon so your response would be timely.
Well to be fair the Strict Press has its percs when it comes to train the upper back, which is something the bench press does not do. Unfortunatly the bench is so much more common, that it's difficult to estimate which one would be better for let's say greco roman wrestler, mma fighters, boxers or fottball players, if all other circumstances are the same.
I really hate bench press and I do much better in vertical pressing. But I still think bench press is a better workout for athletes if choices are limited. First, horizontal pressing strength is more important in different sports and sprinting. Second, it trains more muscle but less fatigue.
I'm not happy with my 1bw press because I've done it in my first year of lifting. 1bw OHP is not a big deal especially if you're a lightweight lifter but to progress beyond that is sooo much harder.
Hey that's awesome! I'm part of my universities rowing club. What kind of exercises you suggest to do for this sport? I have a general idea and my coach is great and tells us what to do as well. Just wondering if I can get a different input!
Great video, algo
I like overhead press more then bench since for bench you have to lay down on a bench
bench press is the same as peeing while sitting down
Would you consider doing a video on the bent press? Is it worth doing for athletic performance, or just an olde timey feat of strength?
For the algo
Non-contact sport like basketball? Maybe not the same type of contact as other sports but saying basketball is a non-contact sports makes me profoundly salty sir
Good video guys. Push press or strict press for Jerk improvement?
Here I am with an 80kg press and a 120kg bench.
I disagree, Benching correctly is more technical. Also technicality on bench is more important bc it is more dangerous especially for the shoulders. OHP is far more intuitive, its just harder so people shy away
how? ohp involves movement of the scapula, head movement, greater range of motion, shoulder mobility, core bracing and stabilization, etc.. bench is simple: retract/depress the scapula, don't flare your elbows, push.
5:48 Ah, the standing bench press😂
Enjoy your Christmas lads!
what is better for Olympic lifting specifically - bench or overhead?
definitely overhead. there's nothing that resembles a horizontal press in olympic lifting, the snatch and jerk are both overhead lifts.
Because strict press is hard. My best bench is 185 kg and my best press is only 100 kg. You gotta be willing to take those small PRs and be patient, something most of us lack.
Looking to get a 120 kg press this year though lads! I’m actually training the lift now thanks to that strict press vid y’all made 😂😂😂
Hey you bench my mother! 🤜
Definitely have to be patient with it, with that bench you can do 120kg this year, very strong, I can only bench 150kg and can do 100kg x 2 ( barely ), hoping to be doing 100kg for reps this year, i've done my first youtube upload now of my strict press, that the guys said it's rare to do 100kg, feeling great stronger than all blacks at OHP :):)
th-cam.com/video/CjmQFDoLQro/w-d-xo.html
@@declanosullivan8749 good to hear the confirmation! I think strict press is super cool and kind of a nebulous lift because no one really trains it as hard as bench
@@danielcelisgarza your mom is FULL
@@BaldOmniMan Yeah that's why I like them as well, it's a primitive old school lift and carries over to other lifts
5:45 Beast!
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Would be good if the press became as well loved as the bench once again, but yeah, people do love being able to lie down. 💪😅
Liked this video.
Yo!have you guys lost weight?
Jerk instead
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jordanhoughton90 is strong
Why your grammar bad in the headline?
I feel that OHP is a better exercise, because it includes the CORE muscles in the lift.