Can a Red Arrows pilot fly commercial planes?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- Steve Morris, who was Red 9 in the Royal Air Force's aerobatic display team, is hoping to start a new career in a commercial airline!
While he "loved every single moment" in the RAF, he says he is excited about this next step in his career.
Kirstie Chambers (@Kirstie_MarieC) went to meet him.
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My Dad was the RAF Harrier display pilot for the 1999 season, then transitioned to flying for BA in 2005. He's loved every minute!
It is 95% attitude and obviously this guy has exactly the humility and willingness to learn that wil carry him through no problem
How about, "can a Commercial Airline Pilot fly a Hawk T1 in close formation with 8 other jets, 8ft apart at 360kts" Steve Morris could fly a Wheelie Bin if you could get it to go fast enough.
That's like asking _"Can an SAS operative become a shop security guard in Civvie Street?"_
Well, obviously. Whether or not he'll be happy is another matter.
Steady on mate your bumping up the SAS a bit over the top
@@kestrel5065 Bringing up the SAS is always over the top. That's the SAS for you. :P
Not rlly cuz when u do pilot training in raf its fast jet training mainly at raf valley for fast jets and a commercial plane isn't a fast jet
@@clipz4238
I'm not being funny, but I'm guessing you didn't get past "sentence construction" at pilot school?
@@clipz4238 A civilian plane just needs to take off point in the right direction and land. A fighter pilot is processing hundreds of packets of information a second , often hugging the ground, avoiding radar, dodging Sam sites and his or her end point is a bombing run or dog fight. They are constantly changing their fight path, coordinating with their assets, reviewing risks and trying to get on target while often flying their aircraft close to its limits while keeping it in one piece . In the air force its it no surprise only the top students move to fast jets, while the rest go to cargo planes. This guy will breeze past the tests to become a commercial pilot. Its a thousand times easier than what he did in fast jets. In commercial flying the job is to fly the plane. In fast jets the role is not to fly, but to turn a flying machine into a weapon. That is why so few become fighter pilots.
"This is your pilot speaking, we are currently under a missile strike, please standby"
*proceeds to take 747 into an RAF evasive maneuver*
What do you mean we don't have countermeasures
*flying a DA42*
“What do you you mean I can’t fly inverted”
"This is your captain speaking, weather is looking favourable, we will be climbing up to 32,000ft and then we will start a short descent before a loop-de-loop, progressing steadily onto a barrel roll. Upon arriving at our destination we'll complete one inverted pass of the runway before peeling off and landing safely. Please keep your trays in the upright position and enjoy the flight."
“Please fasten your seatbelts”.”If you look out of your left window you can see the coast of England… inverted.”😂
That was good😂
Computer Voice - "Pullup! Pullup!", "Bank Angle!", "Terrain! Terrain!"
Passengers - "AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH!!!"
I'm a late career changer, started on the 737, not from the military though. In the last 13 years many of my First Officers have come from the military. You name it, RAF, Fleet Air Arm, US Army, US Air Force, Marines, Italian Air Force, Philippine Air Force, Cambodian Air Force, RAAF. They have flown everything from AMX, Tornado, Harrier, F18, F16, Mig 21, F5, Kiowa. The list is endless. To a man, they are he best. It is an amazing career.
Good luck Steve, not that you will need it!
Nice video, well put together. I admire Steve's humility in being willing to submit to the training regime despite his Red Arrows background. No doubt he will do well. The Title is a bit of a silly question though, as so many have already pointed out in the comments.
Great video and good luck Steve in your future career in civvy street - you will do very well! 👍😎👍
Shall we do an article on engineers leaving too?
Right on!!
All the best Steve! It’s a change of skill sets, but I’ve no doubt at all you will succeed. Hope to see you on the line if you join my company/fleet!
Good luck Steve.
In answer to the question, definitely yes. But so can the lowest scribbly or blankets stacker. I’ll admit I don’t know Steve but my experience of flying with single seat RAF pilots (including former Red Arrows pilots), with three major exceptions, is that they are a pain in the arse. They can all fly and fly well, but so can most people. In my opinion, they have a major shortcoming: dealing with those they believe are inferior to them, low status people and those who make mistakes. When things start going wrong or the pressure mounts then this becomes a problem as they revert to type and start flying a multi-crew aircraft single pilot. Give me the choice and I’ll fly with former multi-crew transport or rotary wing type. There’s also more room in the cockpit as you don’t have to accommodate their ego.
Good luck I wish I could become a pilot. Never had the opportunity sadly & at 39 I think my boat has sailed so to speak.
My grandfather got his license at 70, never too late :P
I took my PPL after army at 38 so plenty of time
If you want it, you’ll do it. If you don’t, you won’t, simple as that.
Even if you don't go for your PPL, you can still take trial flights, I've been up and piloted a light aircraft and it was brilliant, I went up with my Son for one on his 18th birthday too, something to think about 🙂 🤝
My great friend got his commercial license at 48 so there’s plenty of time, he enjoyed it more than anyone!
The RAF missed a trick not converting Steve to fly the A330 MRTT tankers which double as freight / passenger aircraft. Some are seconded to civilian operators when not needed.
Most of the pilots that fly this are sponsored reserves with AirTanker - i.e, Civilians
@@somegingerplanenerd Some are but they are attached to No 10 Sqn who have a core set of RAF pilots. The reservist system works well on the tankers as some are core fleet with RAF pilots and some are 'surge' fleet flown by reservists who will also pilot them when leased to civilian operators.
“ The country’s most iconic display team ? “. NO : “ The WORLD’s most iconic display team “ .
Good luck, I have 15000+hrs wide body narrow short and long haul but haven’t flown for 18 months due to Covid. Hopefully it will have bucked up by the time you are done.
He will be fine, it’s sometimes a little tough to convert the mentality of single pilot pic to multi pilot operations, but it’s just a change of outlook.
Would be nice to see hiw mark got on and what airline he will fly with
I've often heard it said that commercial airlines are reluctant to employ former fighter pilots as they are too easily bored. The claim is that every moment of being a fighter pilot is filled with excitement and therefore they can't fit into being a long-haul commercial pilot which, more often than not, means sitting for maybe 8 hours monitoring flight instruments. Personally, I don't accept this view as these aces are still airborne and earning a good salary. Many of us have to adjust to a change in life.
I fly because it makes me forget about the petty things in life🇬🇧
The real question is, Can a Red arrow pilot take a downgrade in rank, work in a multi crew environment, and take instruction from someone who out ranks them?
I’ve flown with two and the answer is yes. It takes a bit of getting used to for them, a couple of years is common, but like most pilots they will adapt to their environment and with his experience and quality I’m sure he will do so very well.
The answer to your question is absolutely. Thats why he was chosen to fly for the red arrows!
@@alexboyes2563 Red arrows are not the same as multi crew ops 🤦♂️
Of course they can?
Buzz the tower inverted.....smoke on!
Good luck.
Bit like a Formula 1 racing driver going to drive a bus.
You only need look at Cpt Sully to see the benefit of taking a military man on, if the Donkey stops I know who I would prefer at the pointy end.
Yeah, Sully was quite a good pilot lol. I am still on his mailing list. He is still very involved in air safety.
We’ve had a few close shaves in my current employer… the worst was an incident at JNB….. piloted by an incredibly talented and well trained civilian. Your post is wrongful.
@@maxflight777 I agree. I think that there are a lot of excellent pilots out there. I am not a pilot, however, I am interested in aviation.
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He'll have to go thur type rating
I don’t think you can fly without having a smile on your face ? ….hmmm , that could only be said by Steve, or anyone who hasn’t done consecutive night DLM, TFS for a charter operator !
I think its clear with the exception of capt Sully (who was a Phantom pilot) that grass roots flying skills are lacking in some airline pilots of today, given some of the accidents in the last few years - so a Red Arrow would put this issue to bed !
Ridiculous comment written by some who is quite clearly not a pilot.
avant … do you have any evidence for this stupid claim?
@@maxflight777 The number of accidents in the last 15 years due to rookie airmanship failures
You do realize that a vast majority of commercial pilots are ex military pilots....how stupid is this question? LOL
@Acc0rd79 - I agree with you on that mate. I've just retired from the Police Service (also served several years in the RAF before). My point, like yours is that the majority of our NPAS pilots are all ex-military Helicopter pilots; however sometimes when we needed them the CAA rules dictated that low cloud base etc prevented them being airborne! Some of these guys flew at 100ft above the terrain in theatre. So I suppose rotating to Civvi life will come with it's own rules & regulations
@@Buck9672 yh most ppl who serve military and are still at a fairly decent age no offence to anyone or ppl that are fit enough to do more mostly go into like police or fire service
Or the other way round?….errrr….NOPE
even sim player can fly commercial planes
Sadly I think Steve will face a high level of derisive attitudes and comments from GA instructors , GA pilots, and Airline pilots that have no idea what it takes to achieve his flying skills or pilot leadership, nor would they care if it meant they could feel they got one up on him. Check and Training Captains would love to be 'Trip and Trapping' Captains to assert their civilian experience dominance. I can not see him enjoying his time as a First Officer Co-Pilot role under those that only made it in civvie street. Good luck and God Speed, your humility and intelligence will serve you well.
Avoid Skyborne like the plague. They are one of the dirty few in the UK charging over inflated costs for flight training and love looking all fancy with their red arrow students and fancy diamonds (probably on some form of discount for doing PR). Shop around and you'll save 30-40k on costs.
And the point of the Red Arrows is what exactly?
It's a waste of time for Steve Morris to start at the bottom for a new career in a commercial aircraft. He should be able to transfer immediately to the right seat of a modern commercial airliner. Hope one of the airline companies hires him before he spends a lot of money and time
knocking about in propeller training aircraft with civilian pilot wanna-be's.
Just because your a military pilot doesn’t instantly qualify you to fly an airliner, it’s not as simple as just switching over, there are a lot of legal requirements to become a commercial pilot.
I don’t know all the technicalities of transferring from military to commercial, as I’m doing it the normal way of training without being in the military. But he still would need to get his ATPL, CPL and other civilian pilot licences. He should breeze through most ATPL subjects without issue I’d imagine, since majority of it is pretty much universal to all pilots no matter what you fly, except from a couple subjects that are very commercial aviation focussed. I’d imagine the footage of him flying the DA-42 was him getting used to it so he could do his flight portion of his CPL licence.
The co-pilot is not just there to help the captain; they need to be a fully qualified (for that specific type of aircraft and right area (civilian vs. military)) pilot. They aren't really there to learn (as they should already have mastered the basics of the type), but rather just get experience (and of course not every pilot being able to be a captain).
Co-pilots are actually often the ones doing the actual flying too, though of course it is a joint job.
@@tams805 each pilot will fly a sector of the trip. Known as Pilot Flying and Pilot Monitoring. This will be decided on the day and the pilots will swap roles for both sectors.
RAF hard times !! Was your eggs not warm in the nice hotel or was your bed sheets not charged in 24hrs dry your eyes !!
Try aircrew & passenger deaths - that's the sort of "hard times" Steve means. Any more ignorant questions I can help you with big boy?
You likely have never done anything even comparable to 1% of this man’s life, so bore off
Please learn to use correct grammar before expressing ignorant comments .