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Yean, Sweden and Denmark would have had far less in war in 1501-1814, and in a Finnish point of view there would have been more military resources to fight against Russia in east. Usually Sweden had to ready to fight against Denmark-Norway in south and west and Russia in east like Charles XII did in the Great Northern War (1700-1721).
Imo I think it's possible that over time a sort of northern equivalent of Mestizos would become the large majority of Vinland since there isn't much reason for the natives and Icelandic settlers to not intermingle
@@board-qu9iu You know why natives died out in our timeline right? They all were killed by old world diseases. Much the same would happen if the old Scandinavian settlements in Vinland survived. It would become a land inhabitet by a scandinavian majority.
@@Hallvard0 There wouldn't be that likley for diseases to spread that far and also even with those diseases did occur, the Icelandic settlers are too few numbered to really take over fully.
@@board-qu9iu Well the entire scanario rests on a permanent presence of skandinavians in vinland. And there is no reason to rule out that some natives did die to diseases when there was contact between them and the old settlers. If vinland were to survive past the medieval warm period and into modern times it would have led to the same things that happened in real life.
What if the Teutonic knight order, sword brethren men at arms order, and Livonian crossbowmen Auxiliaries conquered Eastern Europe like they almost did becoming a third or second Germany in Eastern Europe . Imagine 3 military orders with a different style of leading and governing due to their military structure.
Nice one! I don't know much about the military orders, just their location pretty much. I will save this idea and research it to see if I can make a video about it right now.
This video is great it blends all the editing styles you have tested in the past few vids perfectly A longer explanation and alt history story A neat organized system of explanation and the the alt history itself A nice amount of memes, clips, gifs and pictures Amazing maps as always
I've been looking for something like this man! I also wanted to see what if the danish empire for the 1000s united today, consisting of norway, england, and denmark, maybe even also canadian colonies and iceland and greenland if you did one with all historic lands. Great video as always
One thing you didn't really bring up in the video is that not only the Swedish Nobility was displeased with the union, the peasant class (serfdom wasn't really a thing in Scandinavia except denmark proper) was heavily taxed on by the Danes and the Swedish Merchant class was further screwed on by Danish foreign policy making it difficult to export Iron and Wood to the continent. Just appeasing the nobility wouldn't have been enough to solidifying the union, a war with Livonia and Poland with promise of Swedish monopoly over the important trading cities along the coasts might have.
I didn't forget to bring it up, I simply didn't know it had happened. It's interesting to learn about this, as I couldn't read about it anywhere! Thanks for letting me know!
@@rewriting-history We did also do a union later on; A currency union, hence why we each have kroner/kronor, used to be you could just take a Danish crown and spend it in Sweden as we had pegged our currencies together to always have the same value, using our gold reserves in unison to back each currency, only reason it was dropped was World War 1, same reason we firmly reject the Euro, we have tried letting go of fiscal controls in the past and it didn't go well for any of us, another case of the Nordics being a century ahead by accident... Man I wish I could live forever just to see if we would fall ass backwards into another Empire by accident, again!
Well I would assume there would be larger scandinavian populations, the numerous northern wars got a LOT of young men killed that never had families of their own. That snowballs over time. I also don't think Napoleon would be much of a threat, you can't invade Denmark (except MAYBE Jutland, though its a nightmare trying to siege down a harbor city such as Kolding with uninterrupted supply lines) without first destroying the scandinavian navies, which even the british would be hard pressed to do in a timeline where Sweden and Denmark aren't constantly at each other's throats.
Chapters 0:48 why did the countries unite? 3:07 what wars did they fight in? 4:58 why did the Kalmar union collapse? 10:31 what if the Kalmar union never broke up?
@@RodluvanLike it or not. We did succeed. Despite from its modern day counterpart. Denmark was actually pretty strong in that time. I’m still proud to be Danish.
@@TheBritishQueen Well, Sweden atleast had its own Empire and was one of Europas large powers at the time. And you can clearly see today who won in the end
This might sound a little harsh. but i find it crazy that of a 20 minute alt history video, the alt history only starts a little over 10 minutes in. That’s half the runtime!
@@Kaynster yeah, I have gotten a lot better. I decided back in the day to make a longer introduction as most people don't know about the Medieval/Kalmar period. WW1 and WW2 are familiar to my audience, so a 1 minute brief works well there
A few things to note: 1) The countries weren't actually united or combined. They were still three countries with their own laws and councils. They just happened to have the same king as their monarch. 2) Why did it happen? It happened simply for monastic reasons. Margaret the daughter of the Danish king, got married to the Norwegian King, he happened to be the son of the Swedish King. When the old kings died, Margaret's son Olaf inherited the Kingdoms one by one, first Denmark then Norway, unfortunately he died at age 17 before he could be crowned king of Sweden. Since Olaf had been a minor, Margaret had been the de facto regent. And so she could choose the new heir. She chose her great nephew Eric, he was also a minor, but was crowned the three Kingdoms. Margaret remained regent until Eric came of age in 1412. 3) The name "Kalmar Union" was never the official name, and the monarchs styled themselves as the Kings of Denmark, Sweden and Norway. The "Kalmar flag" red cross on yellow, was introduced by Eric in 1430, and wasn't used more than locally at Kalmar and at the monastery at Vadstena, and there's no evidence that it was used by later kings. The Dannebrog was the only official flag used in the Nordic area until the Swedish flag was introduced in the 16th Century. 4) When a King died, a new one was chosen (it wasn't automatically inherited), and had to be recognized by the councils in each of the countries. And he then went to each of them to be crowned. It wasn't always a smooth process, and at times kings were rejected. When Eric sugested his cousin Bogislaw as heir, the Danish council first rejected Bogislaw, and then Eric was deposed in 1439 by both the Danish and Swedish council. The Norwegian council still recognised him as king until 1442. 5) You mention King Hans, and say he was King of Denmark. That is true, but he was just as much king of Norway and Sweden, sure there was squabble about his coronation, but not a violent rebellion, and he was later crowned in all three after several negotiations. 6) The bloodbath in Stockholm wasn't the idea of Christian II, It was mainly due to internal intrigues in the Swedish council. Swedish Bishop Gustav Trolle was the main instigator, and the execution likely didn't happen with the consent of King Christian, and it happened after he had left the city, so it is now believed that his signature had been forged. In any case it was naive of Christian to leave Bishop Trolle in charge. He also mismanaged his affairs in Denmark, so he was deposed there in 1523, two years after Stockholm. So to sum up, the "Kalmar Union" was never a Country, and was never seen as such by anyone at the time, that idea is a much later romanticisation, that happened in the 19th century, when Scandinavism became popular. It was a flimsy monastic union, that relied on the goodwill of the Noblemen in the three councils. And when that goodwill was no longer there in the case of Sweden, they chose their own king. And thus the Union continued without Sweden, now as Denmark-Norway.
Wasn’t Christian II present when the guests were called back to the castle? As he would later have another celebration in the same castle over his daughter being born back in Denmark. Both Trolle and the king had things to gain from the bloodbath, it would have been in the king’s favour if he was informed about the possibility of condemning them of heresy.
@@hermeliin8223 New research have indicated that he was not present in Stockholm at the time of the executions. He was definitely not present at the executions, there's no account of him being there, and the King would definitely have been noted. He could of course haft left the city itself, in an effort to wash hands, we don't know. And as you say, it was convenient for him if his opposition disappeared. But the account of his nature (forensic psychologists have examined the case) makes it unlikely that he had wanted a bloody spectacle. His daughter Dorothea was born on the 10th of November, so on the final day of the executions, but it would have taken several days for the news to reach Stockholm, so any celebration would not have happened until the week after.
@@rewriting-history a what if Andalusia survived or what if Navarre conquered Iberia though I would rather have a Navarre scenario because they have a cool language
I love your video, but my only problem is the peace deal in every ww2 video. I don't think that in all universes, germany loses schlesien and pmmern, but keep up the good work 👍
I appreciate it! Regarding the peace deals, if you have seen me on any Possible History livestream I have said many times that I don't want any alternative peace treaty to have the same borders. I'm just changing a few things up to make the video a bit more interesting and enjoyable for the average viewer.
What if the East Roman Empire was able to reform and with stronger foreign support and (this is necessary for them to not die) internal instability in the Ottoman Empire they were able to start reviving and maybe start reclaim their old land? This all requires that they keep having good emperors like they did towards the end of the empire sadly when it was too late to save it and that they have decent generals. Remember plague and raids had also greatly reduced their population so their armies wouldn’t even be able to be that big either. They were at the end of their resources so other ways of them surviving must be considered.
Finally an alternative history video where the maker just dosn't tell about how something would have changed in the near future, but actually dares to gomany centuries forward, instead of just saying "there is no way of telling how x would affect major historical events down the line"
Yea sorry i am q Annoying ... Can your next video be if what if san stefan treaty was accepted ❤ Ur videos are great 💯❤ I hope u will get 1 milion in near future
Actually my next video will be similar to what you recommend. It's about what if the Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1878. Bulgaria will get their San Stefano borders in that video
@@rewriting-history very interesting 🤔 Idk how u write this scenarios ( bur they are interesting and very realistic) Keep going until 1 million and more 🫶❤️♥️
I will add that norway did not colonize Greenland and all those others, because that it was under rule of Denmark, and the union collapsed because it wasn’t a union it was called that so that Denmark could Trick The others to get easy land, which is why that ut was also looked on as a empire as that the only ones who had a say in the union was the danish.
An interesting timeline, but I am not so sure about when it gets to the WWs, as the Polish USSR war would provide the Kalmar union it's best chance to essentially carve up the USSR's western holdings after the miracle of the Vistula saw the russians pushed back. They might be neutral at the start, not believing Poland could survive, but when the reversal happens they might decide to take St.Petersberg and maybe even the rest of the Karellian peninsula to shorten the length of the border they have to defend. Even if they did not, they might be able and willing to tell the French and the English to not interfere in the war and to push for the peace that in hindsight proved so damaging to the world by giving the USSR a saving grace. Either way, the USSR would either be destroyed or in a much rougher place and conversely you'd see a larger poland with more resources and an ally against the germans in their invasion, assuming the USSR's rougher situation or dissolvement did not cause the germans to change their strategy for handling the poles.
Being Swedish, I wish Sweden, Norway, and Denmark were united to be one country. I think we would be stronger together, and we are very similar anyways. I don't see any point in us being separated. I don't understand why small countries like ours fight to be independant, while huge dysfunctional countries, like US, fight to stay united
An interesting scenario. I can understand you setting some limits particularly to the 20th century, such as still making sure both world wars happened like they did and that they also ended similarly, more or less. Kalmar Union wouldn't ever have been the biggest player in Europe, but it's possible in some ways it could have had a significant enough influence that it might have affected what happened during the 20th century. Just Russia never making Saint Petersburg its capital (in fact Saint Petersburg would not even exist as a huge city carrying that name) would have meant that Moscow (assuming it would have been the capital of old instead) would have had pretty much zilch interest in Finland and less interest in the Baltics, as long as it got a good enough harbor. So, Russia could have been far more focused in the south, all along. This might have had major consequences starting especially from the 18th century. In fact with quite a strong Kalmar Union, it's possible Kola would belong to it historically, lessening Russia's interest in the north even more. With a unified north, not weakened by constinuous wars, I reckon Kalmar Union would have ultimately participated rather heavily in the colonial affairs overseas. How this would affect the big picture, who knows. But like Netherlands, for example, Kalmar Union Asian colonies would probably have suffered in the Japanese hands during the WW2, making them work together with the British and Americans over there. I agree with you on the WW2 acquiring too many variables to keep an eye on.
I feel like you're not going into much detail. Wouldn't for example the Kalmar Union be more engaged in the war of Austrian succession and the seven year's war in this timeline? I could see them siding against Prussia to try and take more of Pommerania and maybe take Hannover from the Brits.
Jesus Christ amazing fucking video. This reminds me, I have this scenario in my head in the 18-hundreds, during a time in which "Scandinavism" was popular amongst especially the southern Swedes and Danes. It really didn't go anywhere due to Prussia and Austria attacking us. BUT, what if, Sweden actually did what they promised, and helped Denmark against Prussia and Austria? There could've been a slim chance of victory for Denmark and Sweden-Norway, due to Denmarks superior weaponry and Sweden-Norways larger population, perhaps Prussia and Austria would give up on "liberating" the Germans in Holstein and Lauenberg, due to once again, Pressure from France, Britain, and Russia like in the first schleswig war. Maybe after a Prussian lose, France and Austria would both invade Prussia, to secure Westphalia as a protectorat, and Austrian annexation of Silesia. Which would've meant, no united Germany. BUT, a united Scandinavia.
Ayy I appreciate you liked the video! I know what you're talking about and I could do something similar. I mentioned Scandinavianism in the video, so I did my research on that already
How does the USSR take almost even more land than they actually did from Finland while the whole kalamar union is backing up Finland? What did the kalamar union send in this scenario? 10 horses and one tank?
i think kalmar union wouldnt be intact after wwII because you mentioned the that the soviet would also invade, and since you went with historical prediction during wwII i think the soviets would either annex filand and bits on north norway or make them a puppet
I always actually thought that Bohemia was a kingdom in Austria Hungary but without as much autonomy due to it also being a Habsburg state and was german
You would also have wanted to take more account of developments in the 18th century, with the rise of Prussia. A Kalmar Union would certainly have had an impact on the course of the Silesian and Seven Years' War.
If ima be honest the only way the kalmar union wouldent have broken up is if sweden never formed meaning denmark would have never formed (bc the sweds only exist to hate the danse (im swedish)) and it was the danes who tricked sweden into the kalmar meaning the only way the kalmar union wouldent have colapsed is if it never formed
@rewriting-history Absolutely, your video was amazing, especially the 1920s part, as I agree with it completely, you've made this video extremely well!
8:10 Denmark-Norway: "I have fought for 4 long years to gain only a small piece of land. All in the name of Protestantism!" Sweden: "Hey, France. How much you wanna bet I can take on the HRE, Saxony and Spain on my own?" *Proceeds to absolutely steamroll any major Catholic army coming their way by revolutionising mixed arms warfare and fighting for the majority of the duration of the war*
Swedish ingenuity and enginering, norwegian oil, finnish sisu and danish navy and beer. Yep, that would have been good. Football with danish and norwegian players(swedes on the bench), skiers from Norway and Sweden, hockey players from Sweden and Finland. Ah and yeah, candy would rule
Being a fairly incompetent grand strategy gamer myself, who likes playing Finland: Holding east Karelia = excruciating, but manageable. Once you get it, you'll be forever independent. It's even better than current borders, I'm sure the Scandinavians would get it back, if given the chance. The PROBLEM is the Baltics, You can't hold that vs Russia as Finland. I rarely form the Kalmar Union, but Denmark and Sweden always ally me and We can't do it. I can always conquer it back, no issues, but it's a b*tch to hold on to. St Petersburg itself is difficult to hold from Russia as well. It's a useful meatgrinder, but it's likely to fall every time
Kalmar union would have so small population compared to other great powers. I just see it as the other european countries would have seen Kalmar union as a big threat. Remember, Russia, poland-lithuania, saxony and Denmark saw ONLY Sweden as a big threat.
Germany bare had any reason to attack Kalmar in ww2 as they wouldnt have the problem with trade as the Kalmar would have full control over the Baltic and just be able to ship through there
Gonna say it here: I personally really dislike the kalmar union's flag, it's the union of the nordics, yet it has bright summer-ish colours which just doesn't scream north. I know there is a meaning behind it but just design wise I would like them to pick something more calm
if the Kalmar Union never broke up, it would be a super power that no country would just start a war with, many of these outcomes in this video really underestimate how big a difference in power it would end up being, only a few countries at the time would even be able to survive a counter attack, simple, if the wars in the video would occur, most likely by the time ww2 arrives, several countries would be swallowed up by Kalmar Union, or other super powers, to even out the now major power shift.
15:43 I don't see the kalmar union defeating prussia and Austria. I do however see them joining the brothers ear on the side of Austria to prevent prussian domination of North germany/Germany in general. In exchange the Austrians give them back their lost territory.
Typing this in English but I’m 100% Swedish. Now there is a chance for Sweden to become a free country again if there are enough votes for the parties that want our country to leave the EU that will actually happen and the all of the power over Sweden will be brought back to Sweden again.
I highly doubt USSR would gain any territories from Kalmar Union lmao. If anything, Germany would invade USSR and have a lot easier time due to more catastrophic winter war
Good video, but I really don't think Muscovy would have united Russia in the way that they did, if the kalmar union(KU) would have been like one nation (under god). KU would have conquered the most valued lands of Novgrorod and Pskov, and that would have set Muscovy back in the wars against the Mongol states. At least that's what I think, none can know :)
Баце директно на три морета, ако бяха останали.
Опа Пресли, много радвам се да те видя тук! Благодаря за подкрепата!
В едно видео ако не се бъркам бях споменал, че точно от твоите Making History епизоди преди вече 8-9 години за запалих по история. Ако не ги беше направил, това видео със сигурност нямаше да съществува!
Fun fact.
Sweden and Denmark are the two countries with the most wars against each other in the world, at 30 different wars after the 15th century.
Yean, Sweden and Denmark would have had far less in war in 1501-1814, and in a Finnish point of view there would have been more military resources to fight against Russia in east. Usually Sweden had to ready to fight against Denmark-Norway in south and west and Russia in east like Charles XII did in the Great Northern War (1700-1721).
Denmark and Sweden has had ONE SINGLE WAR in the entirety of history; we are ALWAYS at war!
So that's what you meant when you were talking about making a Scandinavia scenario in the Finland premiere oh. love your videos man.
Also love your vids keep it up
Thank you very much! I'm glad you liked it and you remember the premiere
bro's editor is the average facebook user 💀💀
THATS WHAT IM SAYING. AND ALSO ThIS VIDEO HAS THE SAME EDITING AS AN AI YT SHORT VIDEO
What a fun scenario. An interesting scenario in a way would be if the Vikings kept Vinland and Vinland became a power in its own way.
I will do a Vinland scenario soon, so stick around! Already have the idea saved!
Imo I think it's possible that over time a sort of northern equivalent of Mestizos would become the large majority of Vinland since there isn't much reason for the natives and Icelandic settlers to not intermingle
@@board-qu9iu You know why natives died out in our timeline right? They all were killed by old world diseases. Much the same would happen if the old Scandinavian settlements in Vinland survived. It would become a land inhabitet by a scandinavian majority.
@@Hallvard0 There wouldn't be that likley for diseases to spread that far and also even with those diseases did occur, the Icelandic settlers are too few numbered to really take over fully.
@@board-qu9iu Well the entire scanario rests on a permanent presence of skandinavians in vinland. And there is no reason to rule out that some natives did die to diseases when there was contact between them and the old settlers. If vinland were to survive past the medieval warm period and into modern times it would have led to the same things that happened in real life.
What if the Teutonic knight order, sword brethren men at arms order, and Livonian crossbowmen Auxiliaries conquered Eastern Europe like they almost did becoming a third or second Germany in Eastern Europe . Imagine 3 military orders with a different style of leading and governing due to their military structure.
Nice one! I don't know much about the military orders, just their location pretty much. I will save this idea and research it to see if I can make a video about it right now.
This video is great it blends all the editing styles you have tested in the past few vids perfectly
A longer explanation and alt history story
A neat organized system of explanation and the the alt history itself
A nice amount of memes, clips, gifs and pictures
Amazing maps as always
Thank you very much! I'm trying to get the balance right, still working on it. Let's see how this video goes!
@@rewriting-history 0:39 I like the introduction of a neat organization of chapters
Keep up the great work 😊
I've been looking for something like this man! I also wanted to see what if the danish empire for the 1000s united today, consisting of norway, england, and denmark, maybe even also canadian colonies and iceland and greenland if you did one with all historic lands. Great video as always
The North Sea Empire? Yes, I'm planning on making a video about this ASAP
canadian colonies?
@@Alex-yz6uq the territories the vikings had in canada
@@emayex74 That was Norwegian colonies, and It wasn't even really colonies.
Can you make a scenario if Russia was Democratic
They are , bozo
Yes I can! Will save the idea for later
@@FodaseNaoLigoim sure he means during the ussr, instead it is democratic
@@jeeves8742 you mean a capitalist USSR?
@@FodaseNaoLigo:/
very interesting idea. Thank you for covering this topic!
Of course! I will keep doing more of Scandinavia, since people actually like it!
One thing you didn't really bring up in the video is that not only the Swedish Nobility was displeased with the union, the peasant class (serfdom wasn't really a thing in Scandinavia except denmark proper) was heavily taxed on by the Danes and the Swedish Merchant class was further screwed on by Danish foreign policy making it difficult to export Iron and Wood to the continent. Just appeasing the nobility wouldn't have been enough to solidifying the union, a war with Livonia and Poland with promise of Swedish monopoly over the important trading cities along the coasts might have.
I didn't forget to bring it up, I simply didn't know it had happened. It's interesting to learn about this, as I couldn't read about it anywhere! Thanks for letting me know!
@@rewriting-history We did also do a union later on;
A currency union, hence why we each have kroner/kronor, used to be you could just take a Danish crown and spend it in Sweden as we had pegged our currencies together to always have the same value, using our gold reserves in unison to back each currency, only reason it was dropped was World War 1, same reason we firmly reject the Euro, we have tried letting go of fiscal controls in the past and it didn't go well for any of us, another case of the Nordics being a century ahead by accident...
Man I wish I could live forever just to see if we would fall ass backwards into another Empire by accident, again!
Great video as always: Suggestion, what if Richard III defeated Henry Tudor and the Plantagenet Dynasty survived.
Thank you! I saved it in my folder of ideas!
@@rewriting-history np
nothing will change lmao.
Well I would assume there would be larger scandinavian populations, the numerous northern wars got a LOT of young men killed that never had families of their own. That snowballs over time.
I also don't think Napoleon would be much of a threat, you can't invade Denmark (except MAYBE Jutland, though its a nightmare trying to siege down a harbor city such as Kolding with uninterrupted supply lines) without first destroying the scandinavian navies, which even the british would be hard pressed to do in a timeline where Sweden and Denmark aren't constantly at each other's throats.
Chapters
0:48 why did the countries unite?
3:07 what wars did they fight in?
4:58 why did the Kalmar union collapse?
10:31 what if the Kalmar union never broke up?
Thank you very much! I will add them in the video right now!
What if kalmar union invaded UK
I didn't exoect for them to have a heavly similar fate in WW2 as Poland,Romania and Czechoslovakia
as norwigian i love this🇸🇯🇸🇯!!
As a Dane this warms my heart
I'm very interested in what Denmark thinks of the Kalmar union, I hope it is something positive!
as another dane its very positive and Im very sad that the modern Nordic Union didnt work out@@rewriting-history
Terrible union 0/10 u danes really thought u were gonna succeed
@@RodluvanLike it or not. We did succeed. Despite from its modern day counterpart. Denmark was actually pretty strong in that time. I’m still proud to be Danish.
@@TheBritishQueen Well, Sweden atleast had its own Empire and was one of Europas large powers at the time. And you can clearly see today who won in the end
Amazing!! Yet another great video by you man!
Appreciate it very much, friend!
Suggestion: what if france attacked germany through belgium and britain joined the war on the other side
Holy shit this is amazing! I will save it and for sure will make a video about it in the near future!
@@rewriting-historyPLEASE make that video soon
Glad to see a new video! I really think you have a lot of potential to get tons of subs.
Thank you! I appreciate it man! I'll keep grinding and get there soon or later
Huge fan man! You're awesome! Please do a Habsburg one 😊😊😊
I will look into doing that! I have many Habsburg coins I can also show!
@@rewriting-history Awesome! They are an great Dynasty
This might sound a little harsh.
but i find it crazy that of a 20 minute alt history video, the alt history only starts a little over 10 minutes in. That’s half the runtime!
@@Kaynster yeah, I have gotten a lot better. I decided back in the day to make a longer introduction as most people don't know about the Medieval/Kalmar period. WW1 and WW2 are familiar to my audience, so a 1 minute brief works well there
Love this channel
Great video 👍
Ayy I appreciate it!
A few things to note:
1) The countries weren't actually united or combined. They were still three countries with their own laws and councils. They just happened to have the same king as their monarch.
2) Why did it happen? It happened simply for monastic reasons. Margaret the daughter of the Danish king, got married to the Norwegian King, he happened to be the son of the Swedish King.
When the old kings died, Margaret's son Olaf inherited the Kingdoms one by one, first Denmark then Norway, unfortunately he died at age 17 before he could be crowned king of Sweden. Since Olaf had been a minor, Margaret had been the de facto regent. And so she could choose the new heir. She chose her great nephew Eric, he was also a minor, but was crowned the three Kingdoms. Margaret remained regent until Eric came of age in 1412.
3) The name "Kalmar Union" was never the official name, and the monarchs styled themselves as the Kings of Denmark, Sweden and Norway. The "Kalmar flag" red cross on yellow, was introduced by Eric in 1430, and wasn't used more than locally at Kalmar and at the monastery at Vadstena, and there's no evidence that it was used by later kings. The Dannebrog was the only official flag used in the Nordic area until the Swedish flag was introduced in the 16th Century.
4) When a King died, a new one was chosen (it wasn't automatically inherited), and had to be recognized by the councils in each of the countries. And he then went to each of them to be crowned. It wasn't always a smooth process, and at times kings were rejected. When Eric sugested his cousin Bogislaw as heir, the Danish council first rejected Bogislaw, and then Eric was deposed in 1439 by both the Danish and Swedish council. The Norwegian council still recognised him as king until 1442.
5) You mention King Hans, and say he was King of Denmark. That is true, but he was just as much king of Norway and Sweden, sure there was squabble about his coronation, but not a violent rebellion, and he was later crowned in all three after several negotiations.
6) The bloodbath in Stockholm wasn't the idea of Christian II, It was mainly due to internal intrigues in the Swedish council. Swedish Bishop Gustav Trolle was the main instigator, and the execution likely didn't happen with the consent of King Christian, and it happened after he had left the city, so it is now believed that his signature had been forged. In any case it was naive of Christian to leave Bishop Trolle in charge. He also mismanaged his affairs in Denmark, so he was deposed there in 1523, two years after Stockholm.
So to sum up, the "Kalmar Union" was never a Country, and was never seen as such by anyone at the time, that idea is a much later romanticisation, that happened in the 19th century, when Scandinavism became popular.
It was a flimsy monastic union, that relied on the goodwill of the Noblemen in the three councils. And when that goodwill was no longer there in the case of Sweden, they chose their own king.
And thus the Union continued without Sweden, now as Denmark-Norway.
Wasn’t Christian II present when the guests were called back to the castle? As he would later have another celebration in the same castle over his daughter being born back in Denmark. Both Trolle and the king had things to gain from the bloodbath, it would have been in the king’s favour if he was informed about the possibility of condemning them of heresy.
@@hermeliin8223 New research have indicated that he was not present in Stockholm at the time of the executions.
He was definitely not present at the executions, there's no account of him being there, and the King would definitely have been noted.
He could of course haft left the city itself, in an effort to wash hands, we don't know. And as you say, it was convenient for him if his opposition disappeared. But the account of his nature (forensic psychologists have examined the case) makes it unlikely that he had wanted a bloody spectacle. His daughter Dorothea was born on the 10th of November, so on the final day of the executions, but it would have taken several days for the news to reach Stockholm, so any celebration would not have happened until the week after.
@@Aoderic That’s interesting, thanks for the explanation! :)
Can you do an al-andaluds senerio?
What suggestion do you have? I could if you have something good to suggest!
@@rewriting-history a what if Andalusia survived or what if Navarre conquered Iberia though I would rather have a Navarre scenario because they have a cool language
I love your video, but my only problem is the peace deal in every ww2 video. I don't think that in all universes, germany loses schlesien and pmmern, but keep up the good work 👍
I appreciate it! Regarding the peace deals, if you have seen me on any Possible History livestream I have said many times that I don't want any alternative peace treaty to have the same borders. I'm just changing a few things up to make the video a bit more interesting and enjoyable for the average viewer.
1:25 ''FINVAND''
Damn I pronounced it not too bad ngl :D
Woohoo! Upcoming videos section is finally here! :)
A new video will be coming very soon, so stick around!
What if the East Roman Empire was able to reform and with stronger foreign support and (this is necessary for them to not die) internal instability in the Ottoman Empire they were able to start reviving and maybe start reclaim their old land?
This all requires that they keep having good emperors like they did towards the end of the empire sadly when it was too late to save it and that they have decent generals.
Remember plague and raids had also greatly reduced their population so their armies wouldn’t even be able to be that big either. They were at the end of their resources so other ways of them surviving must be considered.
I want to so a similar video. Will try with a video in the similar time period, to see if my audience would like it
Finally an alternative history video where the maker just dosn't tell about how something would have changed in the near future, but actually dares to gomany centuries forward, instead of just saying "there is no way of telling how x would affect major historical events down the line"
Belarus looking THICC
Really good video though loving yohr channel
Appreciate it very much! Cheers mate!
What if Holy Roman Empire never fell
I'll consider this! Thanks for the suggestion!
Yea sorry i am q Annoying ...
Can your next video be if what if san stefan treaty was accepted ❤
Ur videos are great 💯❤
I hope u will get 1 milion in near future
Actually my next video will be similar to what you recommend. It's about what if the Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1878. Bulgaria will get their San Stefano borders in that video
@@rewriting-history very interesting 🤔
Idk how u write this scenarios ( bur they are interesting and very realistic) Keep going until 1 million and more 🫶❤️♥️
I will add that norway did not colonize Greenland and all those others, because that it was under rule of Denmark, and the union collapsed because it wasn’t a union it was called that so that Denmark could Trick The others to get easy land, which is why that ut was also looked on as a empire as that the only ones who had a say in the union was the danish.
I honestly think that a long lasting union would have been a much stronger naval power then you give it credit for
An interesting timeline, but I am not so sure about when it gets to the WWs, as the Polish USSR war would provide the Kalmar union it's best chance to essentially carve up the USSR's western holdings after the miracle of the Vistula saw the russians pushed back.
They might be neutral at the start, not believing Poland could survive, but when the reversal happens they might decide to take St.Petersberg and maybe even the rest of the Karellian peninsula to shorten the length of the border they have to defend.
Even if they did not, they might be able and willing to tell the French and the English to not interfere in the war and to push for the peace that in hindsight proved so damaging to the world by giving the USSR a saving grace.
Either way, the USSR would either be destroyed or in a much rougher place and conversely you'd see a larger poland with more resources and an ally against the germans in their invasion, assuming the USSR's rougher situation or dissolvement did not cause the germans to change their strategy for handling the poles.
Kalmar is at the coast and Borgholm is in the center coast of Öland island
Being Swedish, I wish Sweden, Norway, and Denmark were united to be one country. I think we would be stronger together, and we are very similar anyways. I don't see any point in us being separated. I don't understand why small countries like ours fight to be independant, while huge dysfunctional countries, like US, fight to stay united
Landsförädare!
An interesting scenario. I can understand you setting some limits particularly to the 20th century, such as still making sure both world wars happened like they did and that they also ended similarly, more or less. Kalmar Union wouldn't ever have been the biggest player in Europe, but it's possible in some ways it could have had a significant enough influence that it might have affected what happened during the 20th century. Just Russia never making Saint Petersburg its capital (in fact Saint Petersburg would not even exist as a huge city carrying that name) would have meant that Moscow (assuming it would have been the capital of old instead) would have had pretty much zilch interest in Finland and less interest in the Baltics, as long as it got a good enough harbor. So, Russia could have been far more focused in the south, all along. This might have had major consequences starting especially from the 18th century. In fact with quite a strong Kalmar Union, it's possible Kola would belong to it historically, lessening Russia's interest in the north even more.
With a unified north, not weakened by constinuous wars, I reckon Kalmar Union would have ultimately participated rather heavily in the colonial affairs overseas. How this would affect the big picture, who knows. But like Netherlands, for example, Kalmar Union Asian colonies would probably have suffered in the Japanese hands during the WW2, making them work together with the British and Americans over there. I agree with you on the WW2 acquiring too many variables to keep an eye on.
Could u do a scenario where Kyiv Rus never fell
Yes! Maybe not right now, but I will save this idea for later!
@@rewriting-history thanku so much 😄😄😄
I feel like you're not going into much detail. Wouldn't for example the Kalmar Union be more engaged in the war of Austrian succession and the seven year's war in this timeline? I could see them siding against Prussia to try and take more of Pommerania and maybe take Hannover from the Brits.
What if the Kalmarer Union would have joined the Hanse?
Would be impossible, but a cool concept to explore!
Who lives else lives in Kalmar?💪🇸🇪
Jesus Christ amazing fucking video. This reminds me, I have this scenario in my head in the 18-hundreds, during a time in which "Scandinavism" was popular amongst especially the southern Swedes and Danes. It really didn't go anywhere due to Prussia and Austria attacking us. BUT, what if, Sweden actually did what they promised, and helped Denmark against Prussia and Austria? There could've been a slim chance of victory for Denmark and Sweden-Norway, due to Denmarks superior weaponry and Sweden-Norways larger population, perhaps Prussia and Austria would give up on "liberating" the Germans in Holstein and Lauenberg, due to once again, Pressure from France, Britain, and Russia like in the first schleswig war. Maybe after a Prussian lose, France and Austria would both invade Prussia, to secure Westphalia as a protectorat, and Austrian annexation of Silesia. Which would've meant, no united Germany. BUT, a united Scandinavia.
Ayy I appreciate you liked the video! I know what you're talking about and I could do something similar. I mentioned Scandinavianism in the video, so I did my research on that already
How does the USSR take almost even more land than they actually did from Finland while the whole kalamar union is backing up Finland?
What did the kalamar union send in this scenario? 10 horses and one tank?
The Canada would be nordic coutry
i think kalmar union wouldnt be intact after wwII because you mentioned the that the soviet would also invade, and since you went with historical prediction during wwII i think the soviets would either annex filand and bits on north norway or make them a puppet
I agree with you, it's hard for them to keep going, but I wanted to make the video more interesting, so this was the result.
I always actually thought that Bohemia was a kingdom in Austria Hungary but without as much autonomy due to it also being a Habsburg state and was german
I think that they were initially a kingdom under the Habsburgs, but eventually became dominated by Austria. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@rewriting-history ok thanks for the information once again
You would also have wanted to take more account of developments in the 18th century, with the rise of Prussia. A Kalmar Union would certainly have had an impact on the course of the Silesian and Seven Years' War.
Man, my dumbass saw the flag and was like "yea, fallen kingdom"
In this timeline it would never have been any Sankt Petersburg.. so it shouldn’t even be mentioned. But you would speak of Ingria.
I love how you jump right into the video without restating the question
This is the idea! I hate wasting people's time!
If ima be honest the only way the kalmar union wouldent have broken up is if sweden never formed meaning denmark would have never formed (bc the sweds only exist to hate the danse (im swedish)) and it was the danes who tricked sweden into the kalmar meaning the only way the kalmar union wouldent have colapsed is if it never formed
14:25 I have a massive coin collection
I was looking for something like this like a weak ago
I made it a week ago, but it took a while to edit and put it together. Wish I was faster. Did you enjoy the video after all?
@rewriting-history Absolutely, your video was amazing, especially the 1920s part, as I agree with it completely, you've made this video extremely well!
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Denmark-Norway: "I have fought for 4 long years to gain only a small piece of land. All in the name of Protestantism!"
Sweden: "Hey, France. How much you wanna bet I can take on the HRE, Saxony and Spain on my own?" *Proceeds to absolutely steamroll any major Catholic army coming their way by revolutionising mixed arms warfare and fighting for the majority of the duration of the war*
Perfection
Благодаря много, братле! Оценявам го!
@@rewriting-history нп
Swedish ingenuity and enginering, norwegian oil, finnish sisu and danish navy and beer. Yep, that would have been good. Football with danish and norwegian players(swedes on the bench), skiers from Norway and Sweden, hockey players from Sweden and Finland. Ah and yeah, candy would rule
Make a scenario if italy joined allies in ww2
Yooo I'm already working in this scenario, believe it or not! Haha nice timing! Expect to see this video very soon!
@@rewriting-history I hope it will be as amazing as kalmar union scenario🙂
Being a fairly incompetent grand strategy gamer myself, who likes playing Finland:
Holding east Karelia = excruciating, but manageable. Once you get it, you'll be forever independent. It's even better than current borders, I'm sure the Scandinavians would get it back, if given the chance.
The PROBLEM is the Baltics, You can't hold that vs Russia as Finland. I rarely form the Kalmar Union, but Denmark and Sweden always ally me and We can't do it. I can always conquer it back, no issues, but it's a b*tch to hold on to. St Petersburg itself is difficult to hold from Russia as well. It's a useful meatgrinder, but it's likely to fall every time
Sweden and Norway had the same king as the union were entered, worth knowing.
damn, Denmark is definitely happy about that
I bet! For sure!
Idk if this interest you but what if Antilla did exist (along with it's other mythical Island friends) and the myth was real?
Oh nice! Will save the idea and think of some mythology. It's a good inspiration
@@rewriting-history the wiki page of Antilla can help if you want it
Great video, but could you try decreasing your usage of memes and whatnot?
I'm experimenting with more to see if it increases retention. Need to find the right balance
This is an interesting scenario, as a Swede i personally hate the kalmar union but this does interest me alot.
I appreciate the kind comment! I'm glad that you liked the video too!
Leave some rolling R's for the rest of us.
lol
also what you said about the baltic i think alsungary also wouldnt happen as hungary as controlled lands for hundreds of years but never got them.
Perhaps you're right. The video is focused on the Kalmar union succeeding, so I wanted to make them stronger
Can u make a video on what if in the end of 1857 indian war of independence resulted in a unified india?
10:43 chp4 starts
Kalmar union would have so small population compared to other great powers. I just see it as the other european countries would have seen Kalmar union as a big threat.
Remember, Russia, poland-lithuania, saxony and Denmark saw ONLY Sweden as a big threat.
Well, now we kind of have Kalmar union due Finland and Sweden joining Nato and there has been nordic co-operations even before that.
You'd have better luck with trying to set up a tri monarchy in old Austria. Which would also have failed. But that's why we have alternate history. :)
I never claimed this is realistic, I just thought it would be a cool scenario to make
@@rewriting-history You put together good scenarios. I'm just grumpy most times.
Germany bare had any reason to attack Kalmar in ww2 as they wouldnt have the problem with trade as the Kalmar would have full control over the Baltic and just be able to ship through there
Realistically you couldve given Them togo, Ghana and the ivory coast as they already had a bunch of colonies there
what if Yugoslavia joined the European union
Dident collapse 😊
Yooo this is awesome! I'm saving this idea for sure!
I believe the kalmar union would have invaded great britain at some point, since they would have been the greatest threat to their naval dominance
Actually, one of the reasons Sweden revolted was because they were paying for Denmark's wars. Och jag e svensk jag vet Sveriges historia.
The name of the video almost made me think, tha Denmark and Sweden were married... LOL
Haha nice one!
Gonna say it here: I personally really dislike the kalmar union's flag, it's the union of the nordics, yet it has bright summer-ish colours which just doesn't scream north. I know there is a meaning behind it but just design wise I would like them to pick something more calm
if the Kalmar Union never broke up, it would be a super power that no country would just start a war with, many of these outcomes in this video really underestimate how big a difference in power it would end up being, only a few countries at the time would even be able to survive a counter attack, simple, if the wars in the video would occur, most likely by the time ww2 arrives, several countries would be swallowed up by Kalmar Union, or other super powers, to even out the now major power shift.
15:43 I don't see the kalmar union defeating prussia and Austria. I do however see them joining the brothers ear on the side of Austria to prevent prussian domination of North germany/Germany in general. In exchange the Austrians give them back their lost territory.
I live in borgholm😊
What if the Byzantine Empire took the Crusader States?
So how wuold the internal kingdoms look like in this time Line Will Denmark keep scania?
What if the first Bulgarian Empire never collapsed
Which Bulgarian empire? There are 3
banger as a finn tbh
Ayy I'm not so sure what Finland thinks of the Kalmar union, but I assume it's somewhat positive
@@rewriting-history not positive at all bc the we were under swedish control..... but the vid is goated
Typing this in English but I’m 100% Swedish.
Now there is a chance for Sweden to become a free country again if there are enough votes for the parties that want our country to leave the EU that will actually happen and the all of the power over Sweden will be brought back to Sweden again.
to be honest i believe that history should have went down this way
Ok what if Polish Lithuania Still have moscow?
Nice one! Will look into making a short about this perhaps
i see the Baltic nations being under soviet control in ww2 being more realistic, What if the arabian peninsula united after ww1?
Great suggestion! I would do this very soon! I was planning it
Can you make a video if the serbian empire never collapsed?
Which one? You mean the first Serbian empire or Yugoslavia?
@@rewriting-history the first serbian empire
Eric of Pommern was the grandson of Margaret's sister.
No, he was the son of Margaret's niece (Mary of Mecklenburg)
@@davidbresson8716 yes, i meant grandson of her sister.
I highly doubt USSR would gain any territories from Kalmar Union lmao. If anything, Germany would invade USSR and have a lot easier time due to more catastrophic winter war
Yeah for sure, this is an older video and I'd like to remake it
What if the second Balkan war never happened?
I will do this, but I'm not so sure if my audience would like it. I will poll it to see what they think.
Much chad kalmar union
why did you give it kaliningrad? the area is majority russian and wouldnt want to be nordic
It used to be majority German historically. Things change with history, I just thought the borders would look better!
@@rewriting-history my polish was telling me an even biigger kalmar was worse
"respected even today" aouch! as a swede that hurts! haha!
Good video, but I really don't think Muscovy would have united Russia in the way that they did, if the kalmar union(KU) would have been like one nation (under god). KU would have conquered the most valued lands of Novgrorod and Pskov, and that would have set Muscovy back in the wars against the Mongol states. At least that's what I think, none can know :)
What if Crassus conquered Persia