100% agree...I keep the stock gear and the sell with the upgrades and oem parts at a huge loss...I understand it's a beat up bike and it's MY SET-UP...so they may not even like that set up
I agree 100 percent. I did the same thing as you with my road bike which I sold back to Bike Bluebook. I chaneged a bunch of parts for fit: handlebars, stem and seatpost. I also graded the wheels. I ended up buying frameset with the money I got and saved a bunch of money over buying a new complete bike. All I needed was the groupset. I didn't have to buy new upgrades for the new bike and take off the existing old parts. New frameset was plus and play. Already upgraded from day one
OMG! That's a great idea! Seriously, why haven't I thought of that?! I have a new handle bar, stem, seat, grips, wheels and tires I was thinking about leaving on my bike when I sell it. Now I can just bring those things over to a frame of my choice and have 80% of the bike ready to go! Yes, I still have my stock parts. I saved them in case something broke or whatever.
This makes sense. But It depends. You have decent parts, so you can keep them and put them back on. It makes sense. but some bikes come with so bad parts pedals fall off, fork that is a pogo stick, so bad you don't even want to sell that to anyone. Drivetrain I wore out on my previous bikes, so I sold the parts I stripped off the worn rear derailleurs. Sometimes it's a good idea to sell parts, sometimes not. Sometimes the parts can go on a different bike build. I had bikes where I destroyed parts, I wore them out, they failed. one bike had junk frame, I sold that, wheels were junk but all nipples failed, did not bother fixing it. I ended up reusing the upgraded wheels on my new bike until I got other wheels. I had bunch of temporary solutions.
Keeping that steerer tube long is something I cannot stress more! As an XL frame rider, its near impossible for me to find a used fork because they're nearly all cut too short! I need at MINIMUM 7.5", 8" preferred. I'm already using a 60mm rise bar with 24mm of spacers so I can't compromise.
Definitely 👍 I see so many people cutting them super short. Looks cool, but why not just put the headset spacers up top incase you need a longer steerer for you next bike or if you sell the fork.
I agree somewhat. I tend to get 3-5 years out of a bike now. So after that time, the upgrades that I bought are bordering on obselete. So If I were turning a bike over in say, 1-2 years then I would agree 100% with your angle. But for longer, consider that some parts may be getting phased out. Examples include nonboost/boost, 31.8 to 35mm handlebar diameter, 11 to 12 speed drive trains, 26ers to 27.5 dominance then back to 29ers, and now rise of ebikes.
Upgraded my lyrik select to a lyrik ultimate, then regretted selling the select when I came off and bent the ultimate. Had to shell out a load of unexpected cash for a zeb
Another thing is if you can wait and invest in a better bike. Some want the best Wallmart bike to upgrade. I say don't do that. unless it's just for fun or really really cheap bike you won't be afraid to get stolen. You don't buy a bike to upgrade it usually. If you want to build a bike your self do that, buy a better frame set for the price of that Wallmart bike, with better geometry. Then you don't have to get rid of crappy place holder parts. But sometimes you just have to get what ever you can get your hands on. but I'm done with temporary solutions, crappy parts, failing parts. Don't buy a bike you have to upgrade every single part, and pay full retail price for that bike. Don't unless you absolutely have to. Go second hand instead. I rather take a second hand bike for half the price with better parts, and upgrade and swap parts to suit me. If you think you can build one, do it, then you don't have to upgrade a bike much as you selected the parts you wanted.
I'm curious to know what the motive was to buy with the intention of upgrading, versus buying a bike that's $2000 more? Were there none of equal value at that price point? Is there something personally appealing about the frame that encouraged the purchase? Thanks. I'm still in the learning 'noob' phase trying to wrap my head around why immediate upgrades are so commonplace.
I definitely wanted to buy a cheaper bike and upgrade over time. There’s something about having a bike that only you have. Versus getting a higher model that’s the exact same as most other people. But it’s definitely not the cheapest way to go, so my recommendation for most people is to not by the base model bike like I did. Get a mid-grade model like the Fuel EX 8 or 9.7 which really doesn’t need any upgrades.
@@JaredHoff ah. Makes sense. If there's one thing that I've quickly come to realize, is that, for some strange reason, no matter the price point, someone seems to be talking about upgrades. 😆
Also most bikes off the rack don't have the best sized parts for your particular bike fit. You might want a narrower handlebar, longer or shorter stem, or seatpost, or better wheels . Most bikes have lower grade wheels off the rack. A lot of people upgrade them first. So if you've already been upgrading your prior bike you might not want to give those away and start anew with the next bike. Saving the old parts for putting back for sale on the prior bike will save you a lot of money and time. Once you get your next bike, you put the upgrades on right away. Fit is perfect from the start.
@@salsalawyer I wonder though, would the components and frame on a bike that's $2000 more, be sufficient? I guess when you pick your parts, you get exactly what you want though.
As someone who is in the process of building a Fuel Ex 8 Gen 6, purchasing most of the parts from people who did exactly what you said not to do, most of them big upgrades over the stock Fuel Ex 8, I'll have to kindly disagree, lol. I do get what you're saying though...unless someone out there has a 2023 Fuel Ex frame they're looking to part with. If that's the case, don't listen to this guy, haha. Hell, I'm even giving you a thumbs up. Thanks.
Or don't buy Trek with so many parts you need to replace. There are so many brands spec bikes with the parts people want. My trek and Giant got pretty much everything replaced. but my specialized and canyon are 95% stock.
Nice video, I always keep original parts. I learnt that from selling electric guitars. And I will never make an upgrade that cannot be undone. I am curious what you would do in the following situation. Let's say I have a bike with pretty good components, but I'm not very happy with the geo. Is it better to sell the bike and get a new one, but in this case I lose about 40-45% of the original price. Or get a new compatible frame, change the components and sell the old frame. Theoretically in this case I only lose money on the frame, but at the same time it can be sold cheaper because not everyone is interested in the frame only and frame's price is about 2/3 of the bike price because it is a carbon one
It can be tricky getting a new frame if all the parts you have aren’t compatible. Also, frame only is harder to sell unless it’s a really desirable frame. BUT that could be the right way to go if you find a buyer and the new frame will fit all your existing parts 🤔
you are 100% better off keeping stock parts if you intend on selling the bike at some point. You dont get anything extra for upgraded parts when selling complete bike, better off swapping the stock parts back on, People also like the idea of brand new parts on a second hand frame, its like a brand new bike to them.
@@MrSupermugen yes if you like to sell your bike every 2 years or so. Theres probably some people like me that is already set on having the bike last as long as it can or until its broken. So IMO theres no point to keep it. Its probably just gonna collect dust and become obsolete in the long run
@@rossejera1661 I dont keep bikes longer than 6-8 months or so, the money id spend keeping it going is often the difference between selling it and just buying a new one.
I agree with the selling point, it infuriates me when someone lists a bike for twice it’s price because “fully customized upgrades “.
100% agree...I keep the stock gear and the sell with the upgrades and oem parts at a huge loss...I understand it's a beat up bike and it's MY SET-UP...so they may not even like that set up
Definitely 👍 and upgrades like the Fox 36 fork I can keep for my next bike.
I agree 100 percent. I did the same thing as you with my road bike which I sold back to Bike Bluebook. I chaneged a bunch of parts for fit: handlebars, stem and seatpost. I also graded the wheels. I ended up buying frameset with the money I got and saved a bunch of money over buying a new complete bike. All I needed was the groupset. I didn't have to buy new upgrades for the new bike and take off the existing old parts. New frameset was plus and play. Already upgraded from day one
OMG! That's a great idea! Seriously, why haven't I thought of that?! I have a new handle bar, stem, seat, grips, wheels and tires I was thinking about leaving on my bike when I sell it. Now I can just bring those things over to a frame of my choice and have 80% of the bike ready to go! Yes, I still have my stock parts. I saved them in case something broke or whatever.
Definitely the way to go 👍 Glad you did it the right way.
This makes sense. But It depends. You have decent parts, so you can keep them and put them back on. It makes sense.
but some bikes come with so bad parts pedals fall off, fork that is a pogo stick, so bad you don't even want to sell that to anyone.
Drivetrain I wore out on my previous bikes, so I sold the parts I stripped off the worn rear derailleurs.
Sometimes it's a good idea to sell parts, sometimes not. Sometimes the parts can go on a different bike build.
I had bikes where I destroyed parts, I wore them out, they failed. one bike had junk frame, I sold that, wheels were junk but all nipples failed, did not bother fixing it. I ended up reusing the upgraded wheels on my new bike until I got other wheels.
I had bunch of temporary solutions.
You definitely need to take that into consideration 👍
Got a Fuel EX 9.8 myself the other day. It's a beautiful bike man.
Nice 👍 Stoked for you!
Keeping that steerer tube long is something I cannot stress more! As an XL frame rider, its near impossible for me to find a used fork because they're nearly all cut too short! I need at MINIMUM 7.5", 8" preferred. I'm already using a 60mm rise bar with 24mm of spacers so I can't compromise.
Definitely 👍 I see so many people cutting them super short. Looks cool, but why not just put the headset spacers up top incase you need a longer steerer for you next bike or if you sell the fork.
You can get an Insert for a Short Stem
@@darrinkulyk9560 would you trust that insert on 10' drops?
I agree somewhat. I tend to get 3-5 years out of a bike now. So after that time, the upgrades that I bought are bordering on obselete. So If I were turning a bike over in say, 1-2 years then I would agree 100% with your angle. But for longer, consider that some parts may be getting phased out. Examples include nonboost/boost, 31.8 to 35mm handlebar diameter, 11 to 12 speed drive trains, 26ers to 27.5 dominance then back to 29ers, and now rise of ebikes.
You make a good point 👍
Upgraded my lyrik select to a lyrik ultimate, then regretted selling the select when I came off and bent the ultimate. Had to shell out a load of unexpected cash for a zeb
Dang, sorry to hear that. That’s exactly why I keep my stock parts now.
@@JaredHoff agreed, especially right now as it’s a buyers market
Another thing is if you can wait and invest in a better bike. Some want the best Wallmart bike to upgrade. I say don't do that. unless it's just for fun or really really cheap bike you won't be afraid to get stolen. You don't buy a bike to upgrade it usually. If you want to build a bike your self do that, buy a better frame set for the price of that Wallmart bike, with better geometry. Then you don't have to get rid of crappy place holder parts.
But sometimes you just have to get what ever you can get your hands on. but I'm done with temporary solutions, crappy parts, failing parts. Don't buy a bike you have to upgrade every single part, and pay full retail price for that bike. Don't unless you absolutely have to. Go second hand instead. I rather take a second hand bike for half the price with better parts, and upgrade and swap parts to suit me.
If you think you can build one, do it, then you don't have to upgrade a bike much as you selected the parts you wanted.
Sometimes it makes sense to buy the bike you can afford now and then slowly upgrade it overtime, but I get what you’re saying.
Yes, of course. @@JaredHoff
I’ve watched a handful of your videos and I like the content so I’m subscribing
@@Y50Varo thanks I truly appreciate the support
I'm curious to know what the motive was to buy with the intention of upgrading, versus buying a bike that's $2000 more?
Were there none of equal value at that price point?
Is there something personally appealing about the frame that encouraged the purchase?
Thanks.
I'm still in the learning 'noob' phase trying to wrap my head around why immediate upgrades are so commonplace.
I definitely wanted to buy a cheaper bike and upgrade over time. There’s something about having a bike that only you have. Versus getting a higher model that’s the exact same as most other people.
But it’s definitely not the cheapest way to go, so my recommendation for most people is to not by the base model bike like I did.
Get a mid-grade model like the Fuel EX 8 or 9.7 which really doesn’t need any upgrades.
@@JaredHoff ah. Makes sense.
If there's one thing that I've quickly come to realize, is that, for some strange reason, no matter the price point, someone seems to be talking about upgrades. 😆
Also most bikes off the rack don't have the best sized parts for your particular bike fit. You might want a narrower handlebar, longer or shorter stem, or seatpost, or better wheels . Most bikes have lower grade wheels off the rack. A lot of people upgrade them first. So if you've already been upgrading your prior bike you might not want to give those away and start anew with the next bike. Saving the old parts for putting back for sale on the prior bike will save you a lot of money and time. Once you get your next bike, you put the upgrades on right away. Fit is perfect from the start.
@@salsalawyer I wonder though, would the components and frame on a bike that's $2000 more, be sufficient?
I guess when you pick your parts, you get exactly what you want though.
As someone who is in the process of building a Fuel Ex 8 Gen 6, purchasing most of the parts from people who did exactly what you said not to do, most of them big upgrades over the stock Fuel Ex 8, I'll have to kindly disagree, lol. I do get what you're saying though...unless someone out there has a 2023 Fuel Ex frame they're looking to part with. If that's the case, don't listen to this guy, haha. Hell, I'm even giving you a thumbs up. Thanks.
LOL sounds like you’re going to have an amazing bike. Buying brand new “take off” parts that people are selling is a great way to go.
Or don't buy Trek with so many parts you need to replace. There are so many brands spec bikes with the parts people want. My trek and Giant got pretty much everything replaced. but my specialized and canyon are 95% stock.
Canyon comes with some amazing parts on it for the price 👍 Specialized has had some great sales rigs year as well. Both are great options.
Nice video, I always keep original parts. I learnt that from selling electric guitars. And I will never make an upgrade that cannot be undone.
I am curious what you would do in the following situation. Let's say I have a bike with pretty good components, but I'm not very happy with the geo. Is it better to sell the bike and get a new one, but in this case I lose about 40-45% of the original price. Or get a new compatible frame, change the components and sell the old frame. Theoretically in this case I only lose money on the frame, but at the same time it can be sold cheaper because not everyone is interested in the frame only and frame's price is about 2/3 of the bike price because it is a carbon one
It can be tricky getting a new frame if all the parts you have aren’t compatible. Also, frame only is harder to sell unless it’s a really desirable frame. BUT that could be the right way to go if you find a buyer and the new frame will fit all your existing parts 🤔
Um... how do you ride your bike to keep it resellable?
Frame protection, general maintenance and fixing things when they break. But that’s easier said than done sometimes.
Sick bike, but how does it ride?... BTW sound advice, now I have hope for the new generation as common sense is making a comback.
The bike rides amazing. Especially with the upgrades.
Totally agree.
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makes sense
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"Upgrades" .......preferences for normal people.
i disagree with you
I hear ya. Got to do what’s right for you 👍
you are 100% better off keeping stock parts if you intend on selling the bike at some point. You dont get anything extra for upgraded parts when selling complete bike, better off swapping the stock parts back on, People also like the idea of brand new parts on a second hand frame, its like a brand new bike to them.
@@MrSupermugen yes if you like to sell your bike every 2 years or so. Theres probably some people like me that is already set on having the bike last as long as it can or until its broken. So IMO theres no point to keep it. Its probably just gonna collect dust and become obsolete in the long run
@@rossejera1661 I dont keep bikes longer than 6-8 months or so, the money id spend keeping it going is often the difference between selling it and just buying a new one.
@@MrSupermugen well i get your point as well as Jareds. Switching bikes that often is really not for me. So thats why I disagreed