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- Testing out the amount of error allowed behind each optic.
While I love the ACSS Vulcan, I found the SRO to be easier during target transition in competition use.
I was also not a fan of the chevron reticle. I would prefer a simple dot in the center.
![Holosun 507K & 507C Comparison [Plus Green Dot]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/K09CGXPX-Xs/mqdefault.jpg)
Yes. Finally someone who can just show us what this thing does. No chatter, no filler, and and the clearest possible demo of this product.
Exactly, perfect video. I dont care what your wife shoots or about 1.5 extra ounces. I just want to see how it works. Thank you Eric!!
@@adamturner6892 my wife shoots a M&P shield 2.0. She does like this sight but complains about the extra .89 ounces over other red dots.
Perfect video. This was exactly what I was looking for. Thank You!
Recently bought an SRO and originally has the ACSS. Having shot both now, one thing I think isn't apparent in this video but is when shooting them, is how much easier it is to keep the SRO dot on the glass and to track the dot vs the ACSS. I keep the ACSS on my carry gun because I've dropped it, and know it can take a beating. The SRO is on my competition gun.
Same. After trying both, I kept the SRO on my competition gun (Shadow 2). Target transitions and keeping the dot in the glass were just easier on the SRO. The Vulcan has it's place...but a competition setting isn't really it. I think the ACSS Vulcan reticle would be excellent on a smaller window optic like the 507k.
Just a video I needed. Explained everything without a single word thank you
thanks, the circle make sense to me now. it's easier to find the dot through the circle.
I have multiple copies of both sights. I loved the ACSS Vulcan but ended up turning the outer circle off. It is a bit distracting under recoil. I don't have a problem finding my dot at speed during presentation. I turn the outer ring back on when new dot shooters shoot with me. I like the chevron reticle. It's easy to track under recoil due to it's size yet precise when I need it to be.
Overall, the SRO in practice is still faster IMO. Yes, the outer ring of the Vulcan can help you find your dot quickly but with a little practice, you won't need it. The real advantage for the SRO is that glass is large enough so that you can track the dot under recoil. On most my guns, the dot lever leaves the window.
The Vulcans window is about the size of the RMR. The chevron leaves the window on most carry style polymer guns unless I choke the shit out of it. From a visual stand point, and for me and my eyes, turning on the outer circle leaves a pink smudge on the bottom half of the glass under recoil. It's pretty distracting. The main advantage for the Vulcan is, as stated above, it's Chevron. The glass also handles low sun/glare situations significantly better then pretty much all of trijicons mrds. The projectors on SROs and RMRs cause some pretty major issues with glare and cost like $200+ more.
Some extra food for thought: my second 507 ACSS vulcan came with the reticle canted slightly. I'm in the process of sending it back. PA has great customer service. On the flip side, I've had to send back numerous RMRs and one SRO over the years.
My current carry gun is a Glock 48 MOS, chpws plate with the 507ACSS Vulcan. All of my competition guns run either an SRO, cmore or Romeo 3 XL.
The Vulcan can be great for new shooters, but it was designed with LE/Mil in mind. The Vulcan was tested in force on force training and it was far superior to anything else on the market. I think the SRO has its place as a great competitive optic. The Vulcan shines in those moments when you're in non-optimal shooting positions.
You really can't go wrong with either optic. It just comes down to your purpose.
I too just recently sent back a 507ACSS to PA because the chevron was canted, swapped it out for the new green version and very happy with it.
I own the Holosun 507c ACSS Vulcan and it's amazing!
With astigmatism I see two Vulcans in my vision. Not in video obv but irl. So a single large MOA dot is my personal choice. Bigger the glass, the better for comp.
For the money it's the ACSS Vulcan all day.
Subbed!
I got SRO 2.5MOA and ACSS Vulcan. I am debating which one to use for my pistol. I read your other comment that you switched to ACSS. Although I like it on my Buckmark, I find that chevron is not as fine as 2.5MOA dot... might keep the ACSS on Buckmark and use SRO on scalarworks leap mount for AR22 like kit badger did in his SRO review
I own both the trijicon RMR and the Holosun w/ Vulcan reticle, the Vulcan reticle is so much better at presenting the dot. Not. Even. Close.
Perfect for beginner to intermediate red dot users.
I agree. It's almost impossible to point the gun in front of you and not be able to find your reticle instantly with the Vulcan. I don't have issues with the SRO, but I still appreciate what the Vulcan offers.
Great comparison
Time to put it in the 509t please!!!
I’ve got in excess of 25,000 rounds through my Tanfoglio with a SRO on top in the last 26 months. These might not be “duty” rated but for competition they really can’t be beat.
I still have the SRO mounted on my Shadow 2. The ACSS Vulcan is a nice option, but I hope it's implemented into other optics with larger windows. For me, the ACSS Vulcan is most useful when shooting from unconventional positions. For competition, I much prefer the larger SRO window for keeping the dot in the glass and target transitions. I'd love to see the ACSS Vulcan in a small window optic like the 507k though. I think it would be an excellent reticle option for EDC.
simple and helpful. thank you for this
I have had my SRO for almost 2 years now with 22,000 rounds run through the pistol. No problems. I know that the SRO is twice the price of the holosun.
I still use my SRO. For competition, I prefer the SRO because I find that my target transitions are more consistent. The Vulcan is great if you have inconsistencies in your draw stroke or if you find yourself shooting from weird positions like around barriers often. Both optics have their advantages. Maybe someday we'll be able to have an SRO with the Vulcan reticle (dot instead of chevron for me) so that you have the best of both worlds.
Why doesn’t Holosun just release a large round window optic at half the price of the sro, pretty sure then the argument would be over as people keep bringing up the window size on the rmr. Holosun would kill trijicon at that point.
I'll still buy trijicon and support the USA worker but you do you
And Holosun's latest competition model is not as large a window, nor is it half the price. I have used one once and to me, the SRO is much easier to use and keep visible for competition.
IF Trijicon offered shake awake tech and a circle dot green reticle I'd go with Trijicon. Holosun has more features cost less and is almost as good and comes with a titanium housing, on some models. Holosun wins.
I still use my SRO for competition just because I've found the larger window a bit easier for transitioning targets. For everything else though like shooting around or under barricades...and even one handed shooting...the ACSS feels like cheating. You basically won't ever have to hunt for your reticle in weird scenarios. But for competition stuff (USPSA), I don't really find that I need the features of the ACSS.
Trying to actually BUY a Holosun ACSS is the tough part these days. I've been months leaving "Notify Me" messages on numerous websites. Where is this Holosun ACSS being sold?
I got very lucky and found mine “used” but in like new condition on the AR15 forums. I’ve seen very few sell on Gun Broker and eBay. Your best bet would be to preorder with Primary Arms, and just keep your eyes open on the used market for one to pop up. If you can’t find one used, at least you’ll have your preorder in. It’s absolutely worth the wait IMO.
Yo the primary arms website has them in stock righnow if you want one
What distance is this at? When I hold my ACSS up as far as my arm can go (I'm 6'2"), I can still see the ring at the edge, even when percetly centered.
Not sure of the exact distance, but it was just enough to get the circle out of the POV. I know that when I used the Vulcan on my Shadow 2, I didn't have any issues with the circle being in my glass and I don't have abnormally long arms or anything. I know the circle is not a "one size fits all" so some people with shorter arms may always have the circle visible in the window.
Love the vulcan reticle. Those that think that the only purpose of the outer ring is to help with presentation doesn't understand its true purpose. Smh
Holosun all the way!
Nice job!
Thanks
how does the holosun/acss handle flip over 3x magnifier? does the large circle still come through the magnifier or is deleted?
The closer your eye is to the optic, the circle will become visible. So putting a magnifier up against the optic should make it to where the circle is visible. I didn't test this on my own, but I've seen people use the ACSS optic with night vision and the circle is visible for them.
trijicon SRO! not even close
Is dot or chevron better?
I think I prefer the dot and bigger window of the SRO…at least for competitive shooting. The chevron worked fine, but I didn’t see much benefit to it over a regular dot…at least for standard pistol shooting distances.
What's the dot size on your SRO?
5 MOA
What is the dot size on the sro?
5 MOA.
Thanks for the vid, Can anyone tell me what MOA the circle is on the holosun?
I believe the big circle is 100 MOA.
250 moa
My $ on the holosun
👏👏👏👏👏
Is that the 1 moa or 2,5 moa SRO?
5 MOA on the SRO.
Why would anyone want and optic that has a better that is inaccesible.
Trijicon also has Bible verses on them too….just FYI
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What's the cost ?
The ACSS Vulcan is $310 retail, but if you’re lucky then you can find one used for about $250.
Hi Eric,I'm a subscriber and really like your video.Could i get in touch with you via email? As we are also the amazon seller for reflex sight, so we are source out the professional guy like you in order to issue some unboxing video. Thanks.
This parallax is in real SRO ?
Yes, it's a real SRO.
Holosun....
Made in Ch***
Don’t be poor go with trijicon
If Holoson can have less blue tint at a reasonable cost damn it Trijicon so can you ya bastards!!!✊🏿🤯🔫
Nice, informative video. SRO has a slightly larger field of view. but with the Vulcan ACCS it certainly lets you know where the dot is in relation to where you are presently seeing!
The SRO has a much larger vertical field of view, which is nice for tracking recoil straight up and down. I do feel much more confident with the Vulcan reticle when I'm shooting on the move, around barricades, or even something as simple as just drawing my gun. During my last local class a few other red dot shooters found themselves losing their dot during different drills. I never once had to fish for the dot during the entire class (just 4 hours). That peace of mind alone was enough to make me switch over. My SRO now sits as an offset red dot with my LPVO.
@@ericmpena Have you had the chance to compare the vertical field of view between the SRO and the Romeo 3 Max and XL?
@@shootinbruin3614 I haven’t had experience with the new Sig optics. My buddy has the Romeo Pro, but I still see him using his SRO for competition.
@@ericmpena Thanks man.
@@ericmpena Do you still feel the same way? I saw on your most recent steel challenge video you were shooting an SRO
What size reticle is the sro? Thanks
5 MOA.
I rarely comment on videos, but I want to say a big thank you for this. Well done. People could watch forty hours of videos on these optics and not learn as much as what you show right here. Bravo.
Excellent demonstration. Thanks for this!
Well said. A picture is worth a thousand words. This side by side comparison explains the difference of these twO optics.
Trijicon is kinda like Glock. They make solid, great quality, reliable products and were very innovative once (RMR shape, Glock pistol) but are a bit expensive for what they offer and are exceeded by other brands when it comes to features and value and are rather slow to react and go their own way most of the time.
Trijicon is a lot more like hk imo outstanding quality but a bit overpriced glocks are cheap
@@johnmartin2992 On a second thought, yes.
I refuse to by a Trijicon due to their prices.
@@eem71MetalRules Your moral is as deep as your wallet! Trijicon are made by Americans that pay their way through life just as you do..... they do not work for the price of bowl of rice!!!!! Buy local, support local, I presume you drive a Chinese car
@@michaelholmes6152 nope, Korean. Doesn’t justify ridiculous pricing.
The Trijicon has the advantage with a larger window but to me the larger window is a dealbreaker. Why carry an optic that sticks out like a sore thumb!? Holosun ACSS all the way brother.
Plus the Holosun has shake awake, solar power and costs less. Hard to go wrong with Holosun these days.
@@ericmpena made in China...
@@show2ime i think these new guys are actually made here. By primary arms.
@@show2ime So is the phone 📱 or tablet you used to make this statement,hypocrit !
@@gregsido9235 I could give two shits where it is made. I buy whatever fits my budget.
excellent video. Most video they talks and talks without really showing the sight.
Now the next question is, which one? Red or Green?
Which one do you like better? I have an SRO and am considering thr 507c with Vulcan.
I think it depends what you're doing with it. For competition use, I sorta like the larger window on the SRO a bit better. It just gives you more wiggle room when transitioning between targets.
The Vulcan is fantastic for anyone who expects to shoot from weird positions, or maybe under stress or force on force contact...situations where a perfect draw or presentation may not be possible. When you need to take a shot over your shoulder, or under/around a barricade, or anything that will make keeping your dot in the glass more difficult, the Vulcan is easily the winner.
For me, most of my shooting is not self-defense focused...I mostly shoot competitive style events like USPSA and Steel Challenge, and for that style of shooting, I do prefer the SRO.
For a carry gun or duty weapon, I'd easily pick the Vulcan over the SRO though. Hope that helps you out!
Outstanding and much appreciated answer!
Team Vulcan !
Is the chevron 10 MOA too big?
The TRIJICON SRO has a larger window along with some other goodies, but what they don’t say is that it’s very fragile and should bu used for the range or completion because for carry purposes it will work until it get ‘s dropped.
Lots of pd’s use it on duty.
This is an awesome video and demonstration. The SRO is pricey, but it's an awesome red dot. The enlarged glass does make sight acquisition a lot easier to see and use.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
Eric Pena, wish you all the best
I'm planning on getting a holosun soon as I financially recover form my glock purchase
Anyone with an astigmatism have any issues with the Vulcan?
I’ve got the Vulcan and astigmatism. You will have issue with any red dot not just the Vulcan. That’s the way it is unfortunately... I’ve just gotten used to it and as long as you use the same part of the splotch to aim, you’ll be gtg
Look through the dot, not at it. It's made to be blurry if you look directly at it
Try the green version for some people including myself the green dot is more crisp and focused
Holy shit. How do more videos not exist like this, there are way too many reviews that don't even show you the fucking optic.
Thank you. I'm surprised that other similar videos have still not popped up since the time I made this. I knew that when the Vulcan was announced a lot of people immediately wanted to compare it to the SRO. I had both optics, so I figured it would be helpful to just make a simple video that shows what exactly the Vulcan offers in terms of forgiveness. I'm glad you found the video informative!
What grade in middle school are you in?
oh and how does 3x magnifier affect acss accuracy?
I actually didn't think to test this out with a magnifier. Adding a magnifier shouldn't affect the accuracy of the optic though. If your optic is zeroed, then it'll still be zeroed with the magnifier.
What’s up with the enormous circle?
The circle is only visible when the center chevron is out of the glass. The circle helps guide you back to center to help you avoid fishing for your reticle.