How Remakes Could Change Sonic Forever
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2024
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Today we'll be discussing how remakes can change the sonic series permanently going forward. I am aware that we don't know for sure what game they'll be remaking next, but I think talking about how it could impact the franchise is a discussion worth haviung. Thanks for watching and I'll see you next time, Creators!
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I can't wait till City Escape is reused as much as Greenhill
Despite what people say I think there is an element in fans that crave nostalgia. I think that was made pretty clear after the explosion of excitement over the potential of a Sonic Heroes remake. Since we're still very early into this new era it's hard to say what identity the franchise will carve out for itself. Shadow Generations is the next step in that journey, but remakes could help provide some solace to longtime fans and introduce new fans while we explore this new path for Sonic.
Shadow Generations and the thought of remakes of the early 2000’s is definitely proof that thats what everyone is excited to see, even for some newer fans. It just makes too much sense for them not to explore those ideas and I’m sure they see that.
A remake of a Sonic game is such an interesting concept to me because it's somehow never happened. Like there's no precedent for a real remake.
Would it have the same gameplay as something like Frontiers but use the same world and story?? Would it be super faithful?? I'd be so curious.
I really REALLY need remakes of the advance trilogy and Rush duo-logy. Like that would be SOOO GOOD! Plus they’re mainline and introduce cream and blaze so what the heck!
I do think a Sonic Heroes remake makes the most sense considering it’s one of the few Sonic games that isn’t as easily accessible in its current form. While it does technically have a PC port, mods are required to just get it to work on modern day computers. And it is not available to play on current platforms like SA1, SA2, and the recent Sonic games. Plus, it hasn’t aged the best in terms of mechanics and controls.
I hope if SEGA and Sonic Team do attempt a Sonic Heroes remake, they do it from the ground up. With brand new controls, graphics, and quality of life improvements. I would also like to see brand new cutscenes and the story slightly revamped. Some of the character fights felt forced. (Just look at Team Dark vs. Team Chaotix.) And I would like to see Neo Metal Sonic given more prominence in the plot. We only see him in cutscenes. We don’t see how he rose to power and obtained his freedom from the doctor. We also don’t get a boss fight with Neo Metal either since he immediately transforms into Metal Madness upon his reveal. I feel like it’s a waste of a cool design. Especially since Neo Metal has never returned after Heroes outside of the comics.
I would like to see SEGA and Sonic Team tackle more remakes/remasters along with brand new titles. But I hope they give them the proper time and resources to make them great and worth checking out. We don’t need a repeat of Colors Ultimate where it released in an unfinished state with half-hearted additions. I also hope they don’t somehow botch Sonic and Shadow Generations either since I’m genuinely looking forward to that.
Revamping the story is personally the most interesting part of a remake of this game, other than seeing everything with updated graphics, of course. I think that they could really take this chance with all of the remakes to really add a little bit more story with some extra cut scenes and some extra dialogue. I’d say the number one thing that they need to fix is the controls but other than that I think this might be a way that they bring back multiple playable characters permanently into their future original projects. We’ll see what happens in the next five years I guess😂
I think we're in the sort of age where Sonic Team and Sega are recognising that the people who grew up with the 2000s era Sonic titles have grown up and would have nostalgia for the entries around that time, flawed with age as some may be. Just as it was the classic trilogy's time to be referenced for a while, I think we're entering a renaissance of Adventure era content with Frontiers and Shadow Generations as the start.
Above all, I really HOPE that even if we don't get straight up remakes we do see remasters and ports, a lot of titles would be money printers if rereleased on the Switch for example (as the biggest Sonic install base casually).
I agree with most of this video except the idea that the adventure games aged poorly. If you busted out a Dreamcast and a crt for them, you would be amazed at how beautiful the games look and feel. Only thing a remake needs to do is improve graphics, fix and smooth out wall collisions and maybe lower the sensitivity at high speed
What I mean is graphics and some of the gameplay. The mech gameplay especially needs an overhaul for its controls. But thats just my opinion. The games are beautiful and the dreamcast aesthetic has got a nice look to it but it’s been over 20 years, it does need a remake more than any other 3D game. By definition they are old games with outdated things within them.
@@soniccreations I see what you mean! I was under the impression that you were essentially calling them unplayable in their current state. Yes I agree mech controls specifically the turning could use work, though I know the port exacerbates the issue. I wouldn’t want it AS fast as gamma cause that would just be slippery, but there was a mod I tried once that was so good it genuinely pained me to turn off. I personally would not change anything about the treasure hunting stages, but I do admit that maybe an upgrade that slightly strengthens the radar would be pretty cool. Like maybe something that makes the other two emeralds beep just once, letting you know to return to that area once you find your main piece. Main reason I don’t like the sa1 radar is that it makes the stages too easy, every stage in that game gets beaten in two minutes, and you can already beat the sa2 stages in 3-4 min average if you know what you’re doing. Security hall, wild canyon, dry lagoon, egg quarters, death chamber would all be ruined.
Hot take: People don't really want remakes. What they truly want are remakes that are specific to their own personal likes and dislikes in terms of characters, physics, story and music.
Nobody in the fandom would benefit from remakes, when everyone wants said remakes to be something entirely different from what other people want to see.
Some people will want the remake of SA1 to remove Big, Amy and Gamma, some others want to keep the roster as it is. Some want new remixes, some want the tracks to be unchanged. Same case with SA2 and the Mech/Treasure Hunting Stages.
The teams in Heroes. Some people don't like the level length or the fact that you have to play the game 4 times with little to no differences. Some people despise the slippery physics, some others find them perfect.
The voice cast; people will lose their minds and flip out if Roger and the current cast replaces Ryan and the rest of the actors. But if they do get Ryan and the others back, some other people will hate that because they think that Ryan can't do Sonic's voice anymore. And then some others will not be satisfied with either voice actor unless they're the ones from the 4Kids Era, Jason, Lisa, Dan etc etc.
This argument even comes down to the models. Some people will be fine if they used the models they currently have, and others will want more stylised models that resemble Yuji Uekawa's artworks.
The physics; do they resemble those found in SA1/2/Heroes? Or do they keep the physics as they are in like Frontiers and Shadow Gens? What about the Boost? The Dropdash? The Stomp? Heroes' Rocket Accel? Nobody in the community can agree on whether or not they should add in those moves or if they should keep them out, or in Heroes' case replace the Rocket Accel with the Spindash.
I could go all day discussing all the different issues with getting those remakes, but I think I've made myself clear. ❤
You may be over complicating it a bit but you raise good points. It could create more divide among the fanbase but It could also bring everyone together. I think the rule would be not to remove any playable characters just tweak them to be fun to play like big and amy. Each game would need tweaks and gameplay adjustments. But the gameplay should feel about the same from SA1 Remake through to a Shadow Remake, similar to Resident Evil Remakes. I’m sure theres a good way to do it. Plus they all feature different kinds of stories people would enjoy. Sonic is about variety which is why I love it since much, there isnt just a dark, serious or light tone, they all co-exist depending on the story of the game they’re from. Its definitely worth discussing wether or not its a good idea though. Personally I don’t see why not but if they don’t end up going through with it I’d be fine.
Very insightful. Honestly the games I thought they would most likely remake are the Adventures, since they have the most fans, but Heroes could also get one. But I also thought remasters or rereleases were more likely since the Adventure games already had in the ps360 era, so this would require less effort and is harder to mess up quality wise, and even though they are not that good, they do have lots of mods to provide definitive experiences. It would be easier to rerelease these on newer consoles, so I’m actually surprised they haven’t done this yet.
Yeah it’s hard to say what their intentions are, cause yeah a rerelease of Heroes would be safer and cheaper. The fact they also are rumored to want to add a new Team featuring Blaze and Silver, if that is true, sounds more like a Heroes Sequel as their characters don’t exist yet in the story. But yeah I agree just a simple pc port and release on Steam would be just fine for me and an added 4k support.
@@soniccreations I thought they couldn’t port over Heroes because either they lost the source code for it or the Renderware engine isn’t supported anymore, thus it would be difficult to emulate, so I guess a remake would be inevitable. But despite Heroes being one of the best selling in the series, it still would be risky and take more effort, but it depends on how extensive this remake would be. At the very most, I would expect more playable characters to be added in. It’s also difficult to choose the best game to remake other than by sales because every Sonic game I noticed has some main problem that puts a number a people off from that game, and Heroes is no exception. So I would have expected the Adventure games to just be rereleases of their existing remasters, but Heroes never had a remaster, so it would be more difficult.
Remaster of Sonic Adventure DX on Steam and 7th gen consoles was absolute disaster, so using it as a base would require a lot of effort anyway to make good.
@Gnidel Yeah, it really was, I don't think they patched it or improved it since, but even if they do rerelease it without much changes, which would be quite lame, at least modders will still be to the rescue!
@@trolmite6149 Even modders didn't salvage it. Basically all mods work on 2004 port. If you installed mods for Steam version, you also installed converting it to 2004 PC port.
Personally I don’t know if sega will ever want to make adventure. There are lots of similarities in gameplay structure to sonic adventure 1 with sonic 06 such as multiple playable characters, open exploitable world with entry points into zones, npcs, overarching story etc. however it would be nice to get a remake of 06 from sega to show what could have been and to show they have truly moved on from being scared of 06. Maybe then we will see an offical adventure 3 (as opposed to sonic 06 which in some ways feels like a spiritual adventure 3)
Edit: don’t know if they will make adventure 3*
i love this copium filled video it scares me cause sega is dumb so i doubt it but this is also a very realistic outcome at the same time.
Other than the Adventures + Heroes and Shadow, there's other games from the Saturn era which could (and should) definitely have a facelift.
Sonic 3D with high res sprites would look like a dream, and would sell very well digitally if priced right.
Sonic R with 60fps+, global illumination and maybe new models (and hopefully some restored content from the prototypes/beta) would also sell very well, if priced adequately.
SEGA can also take smaller steps and remake or remaster these smaller games, to get a better footing about how to do this, before jumping head first into gigantic projects like remaking SA1 or SA2
I hope we get a Shadow the Hedgehog Remake and Sonic 06 Remake. I feel like these 2 need it the most over something like SA 1&2.
A remake of Shadow the Hedgehog could help a lot by just making 1 definitive story because it was all over the place with letting you choose good or bad. None of them no matter in which order just always felt off. Just so many inconsistencies. Sonic 06 I felt could of been amazing if they finished it, Project 06 is proof of it too. The world they had for it was very also interesting, just that the art style was ugly to look at. A few tweaks for the story added and it could easily be the best Sonic game today.
The problem is that Project 06 exists, meaning any remake they make has to not only match it's quality, but exceed it. Plus, I feel like both of these games have elements like Shadow swearing and using guns and 06 with the bad romance that SEGA just doesn't want to touch.
Reloaded exists
@@IZZYCHAN13 What's that?
@@johnathonturner2279 I wouldn't mind of they remade them and removed those, the point of a remake is they remake the game from the ground up so they can easily remove the stuff they don't want to touch.
@@AgentNibbles I'd argue that to some extent it isn't a remake then. And if they were to change that much, they'd be better off making a new game.
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Are there plans to add Sonic IDW villains to Sonic cybernetic
Not at the moment, but in the future yes👍
Are there plans to add a Multiverse story to Sonic cybernetics
@ahmadstewasamlrt2202 not anytime soon, but if I end up writing something thats good and motivates me I would.
Will you introduce Cosmo into Sonic cybernetics
@ahmadstewasamlrt2202 Yes, Cosmo will have a be a major character in a future story
I don't know why people want remakes.
We've seen Sonic team fumble literally every game they make after Generations. Just because they jingle Shadow shaped keys since 2006 you assume it'll be good. The Generations team didn't come back till now for a reason.
Then don’t play the games, go play Mario or sum, quit complaining on the internet.
@@mrskinhehe4064 i dont lol. i only play the older games in the Sonic series
i just genuinely don't understand the mentality of some fans
@@FirstName_LqstName yeah, now I see why your annoying.
@mrskinhehe4064 because i play games other than Sonic ?
I can name a lot more than just Mario that's managed to not disappoint consistently if that gets under your skin
@@FirstName_LqstName I literally don’t care, just keep sonics name out yo mouth Hoe.