140 km/h is a good speed to relax at. There is so much STAU anyway so you only go faster for a short while anyway. But if we are talking a 10 hour autobahn drive autopilot should be a great relief.
+Top 12 Yep! The autopilot works best on the larger roads, and it's also where you need it the most in order to stay awake and alert on the long trips.
+Top 12 I am wondering if it really helps. Is it not difficult to maintain concentration without feeling the road? If concentration drops and something happens, will it react properly?
Thanks for the video. One suggestion...show the road more than the dashboard. Can't tell, very well, how the car handles the road when you can't see the road because your phone/camera is focused on the dashboard.
+Todd Sorenson I will keep that in mind for next time :-) You can follow the turning of the wheel by looking at the blue wheel-icon on the right side of the speed indicator. The icon turns in time with the wheel itself.
+Victor Moregore It's becoming better and more stable every time I use it. The car is connected with all other Teslas and they share information in real time, so the improvements happen fast!
Well, yes he is actually, but he does have a sense of humor about it. He calls his command center at SpaceX "Skynet"! The cars don't really have much of an intelligence, they just gather copius amounts of data :-)
+Top 12 It shouldn't be a problem, but you cannot use autopilot at speeds above 140 km/h, so if you want to go really fast on autobahn, you have to do it manually - which is probably a good thing anyway :-)
When it appeared to cross over the center line coming out of the curve, it was probably due to the sun blinding the camera. Water on the road probably made it worse due to glare from the road. I would recommend using autopilot only on divided roads such as highway, autobahn, motorway. Much safer, since any errors are much less likely to result in a fatal head on collision.
+Loanword Eggcorn Of course it's not designed for small roads with poor lines, but I wanted to test the limits of the system. This was done on the very first day of autopilot and the system has improved at lot with several over-the-air updates since then.
+Loanword Eggcorn Yep, that is what Tesla recommends too, and that is how I use it on a day-to-day basis. Larger roads with clear markings and highway/freeway is where it really shines! Smaller roads and roads with no center line gets problematic, and even though it does work, it's not to be relied upon under those circumstances.
Oedegaarde Thanks! In a sense Autopilot has an easier task on highways since there's more information for it to use: better markings, more cars to watch, no cross traffic, no intersections, etc. Much safer too since all the vehicles are going in the same direction.
+Loanword Eggcorn Absolutely. On larger roads I always use autopilot these days. I drive a lot slower than I used too, and just let the car do it's thing following the speedlimit :-)
Nice demonstration, what I am not sure about, did the car force you in any way to keep your hands on the steering wheel? As I understand it, the American version does not, is there a difference to your version?
+ZarlockGE Thanks! Well, the car displays a warning to keep hands on the wheel every now and then - a lot less often on freeways. You just need to put a tiny bit of preassure on the wheel, then you can let go again. If you don't do it, the car will beep and eventually slow down to a complete stop. The same is true for the US version. The big difference in the EU version is, that whan you want to do a lanechange on the freeway, you have to touch the wheel first in EU (just for a split second), but you don't have to in the US.
+Oedegaarde You said, it was at the limits of the system, going through that curve. Can it be that the car was not even near the limit of its handling, but you felt it was loosing control?
+Grzegorz Kapica The car had to move across into the oposite lane to make the turn, which is obviously not a good idea, it did not lose control. It did make the turn and could probably do it even faster - but not in a safe or legal way.
what if you do it with 100kph which is normal speed in germany? and also in sharp 180° degree corners? will it declerate itself or will you die? whats with roads which have no line in the middle? when you change your line, will it also detect cars with 250kph which want to overtake? for me this is senseless. if you have to concentrate so much about all these things, you can drive on your own, this is also more fun and time passes faster.
+mob1235 Well, the autopilot is designed primarily for use on freeways/highways with visible lines on the road. It will still activate on smaller roads, but not if there are no lines at all. The latest update has applied the corner speed adaptation, so if the car thinks you are heading in to a corner too fast, it will slow down on its own (also works with just the cruise control) - so if you get to a sharp corner, the car will not crash, even if you do not intervene. The car will also detect cars in your blind spot, but not cars coming at 250+ kph, the sensors don't reach far enough. Simply put - you still have to pay attention to the road and the conditions - it's not a self drivning car - autopilot is just an advanced driving aid. If you just drive along in your own lane on the autobahn/motorway, you don't have to do anything, but if you want to overtake or just change lane - you have to keep an eye out on your own.
+Oedegaarde thx for the good answer! but i see this as a safety issue. nobody will be as careful when its nearly full automatic as when you drive on your own. e.g. this blind spot sensors work every time pefect and so you will get used to it. and when you are not awake, exactly in this moment one thing, which the system is not made for, will happen (for example the 250kph car) and then there will be deads. also i cant imagine sitting in a car on the highway for a few hour doing nothing. this will make the people do other things or sleep. and if the system fails you are dead.
+mob1235 I get what you are saying, but I don't think people will be reckless in general (it's an expensive car after all), and I firmly believe that the system will save far more people, than it will kill. There will be accidents, as no system will ever be foolproof, but you should be ok, even if you fall asleep at the wheel. You have to be actively doing something stupid (like changing lanes without looking) or just be very unlucky to have a fatal accident. As far as I've heard, the autopilot has not been the cause of any accidents yet, and it has been in use for millions of miles of drivning - and it's getting better all the time!
+Oedegaarde I think, if there will be an accident, then Tesla will say: The person did not have their hands on the wheel like it was advised. So in statistics it will be listed as a drivers fault and not an issue of the system. Theres a difference of the person/thing which is obviously guilty and the influence of such systems on our driving behaviour and safety.
+mob1235 That is quite possible, but it will not be hard for Tesla to prove it one way or the other, as the cars gather information all the time, and the cars logs will show, if the driver had the hands on the wheel, or did somthing "crazy" to cause an accident.
+Carbonized433 First at sign to put hands on wheel is shown. If you ignore that there is one beep, and after a few seconds there are two beeps and after that, the car starts to slow down and beem more intensely. If you still do nothing, the car will come to a complete stop.
So they include an autonomous driving system that does not always work. Imho this is dangerous and should be forbidden, because not all people will read the manual (especially when such a system becomes available in rental cars) and some people might trust the system too much and not pay attention at all...
Well it is semi autonomous and designed for highway use. Volvo, Mercedes etc have similar systems, just not quite as good. You don't need to read the manual, just pay attention to the road.
Oedegaarde Yes, but the problem might be that some people don't pay attention when using a system like this. The situation is different than fro train driver and pilots, because train drivers and pilots are only allowed to use autopilot systems if they have been sufficiently trained to use them...
+rfvtgbzhn Well it's not really different at all. The driver is supposed to be trained in the overall use of the vehicle - just as a pilot would. The autopilot itself couldn't be easier to use, just double tap the cruise control - no manual or training needed for that!
Oedegaarde when you fresh install a system so critical like this, until you get a hang of it, you do not go to the bad cases scenarios and limits. The algorithm learns, so start safer first and then start going to more crazy scenarios that you may wish to kill your self. Thats the reason tesla in later updates disabled the autopilot mode in roads like those. People were doing crazy and dangerous tests in public in roads where tesla stated its not build for that just yet. You cant learn to fly first and then walk. Sorry but thats reality and others may pay the price. Still it did pretty good for day one, now after few months out i am reading its even better because of the constant learning from the fleet. But its hard to find a review on the autopilot today! As of 2016 January version.
+johnnyxp64 I get what you are saying, and I have seen some crazy experiments with the autopilot too (like sitting in the backseat) - but this was nothing like that! The road is one I drive every day and know extremely well, and my hands were on the wheel, just in case I would need to take over, so there really was no risk to me, the car or anyone else (well no more, than if I was driving myself anyway). The latest update really has made a big difference, and it feels much more stable now, on any road. The autopilot is however NOT disabled on any roads, but it has been "nerfed", as in limited to the speedlimit + 10 km/h (or about 7 mph in US) on roads with no center divider, which seems a sensible precaution.
+Oedegaarde Might be true, but this is not the point. the point is that some people trust theses systems too much and stop paying attention to the road, which could make driving unsafer instead of safer for everyone (even if you drive by the rules, you might still get hit by someone who doesn't).
+rfvtgbzhn Yes there will always be idiots on the road, but systems like this will much more likely save your life, than take it. The car can react much faster than a human and it will only get safer in the future.
140 km/h is a good speed to relax at. There is so much STAU anyway so you only go faster for a short while anyway. But if we are talking a 10 hour autobahn drive autopilot should be a great relief.
+Top 12 Yep! The autopilot works best on the larger roads, and it's also where you need it the most in order to stay awake and alert on the long trips.
+Top 12 Imagine pushing it to it's limits going 200 on the autobahn, that would be mad! I bet someone already did it!
+Yousef Noori (JoeyGames) Nope, the autopilot shuts down at 140 km/h.
Oedegaarde oh, right. if it worked, it would be crazy
+Top 12 I am wondering if it really helps. Is it not difficult to maintain concentration without feeling the road? If concentration drops and something happens, will it react properly?
Thanks for the video. One suggestion...show the road more than the dashboard. Can't tell, very well, how the car handles the road when you can't see the road because your phone/camera is focused on the dashboard.
+Todd Sorenson I will keep that in mind for next time :-) You can follow the turning of the wheel by looking at the blue wheel-icon on the right side of the speed indicator. The icon turns in time with the wheel itself.
awesome!
Super!
In Romania we dont have such beautiful asphalted country roads, not even the city doesnt have a road without a few big holes in them...
Dont use Autopilot in romania...it could be suicidal
Stressing me out just watching it.
+Victor Moregore It's becoming better and more stable every time I use it. The car is connected with all other Teslas and they share information in real time, so the improvements happen fast!
So a hive mind!? I thought Elon was against SkyNet!
Well, yes he is actually, but he does have a sense of humor about it. He calls his command center at SpaceX "Skynet"! The cars don't really have much of an intelligence, they just gather copius amounts of data :-)
Cool, if it would be nice to see how it works on the German autobahn. I have not activated the autopilot yet, but will soon.
+Top 12 It shouldn't be a problem, but you cannot use autopilot at speeds above 140 km/h, so if you want to go really fast on autobahn, you have to do it manually - which is probably a good thing anyway :-)
Elon tweeted that curve speed adaptation will be coming soon.
+Srinivas Kowtal Yes, it will be updated regularly in the future, as the machine learning gets more real world information :-)
+Oedegaarde This is unrelated, but I have a question, How does the Car get internet? I've heard only the US/CA comes with a SIM card.
+Yousef Noori (JoeyGames) No, all Tesla have a built in sim card. Free for 3 or 4 years too 😊
+Oedegaarde So do you have to sign up a mobile contract if you buy this car? And what happens when you sell it?
+rfvtgbzhn No it just works ☺
dang, i want to drive it so bad >
+Anh BI Me too, but I'd have to be able to get my wheelchair inside.
When it appeared to cross over the center line coming out of the curve, it was probably due to the sun blinding the camera. Water on the road probably made it worse due to glare from the road. I would recommend using autopilot only on divided roads such as highway, autobahn, motorway. Much safer, since any errors are much less likely to result in a fatal head on collision.
+Loanword Eggcorn Of course it's not designed for small roads with poor lines, but I wanted to test the limits of the system. This was done on the very first day of autopilot and the system has improved at lot with several over-the-air updates since then.
Oedegaarde Understood. Still recommend using it only on divided roads. It's a lot safer to you and other people.
+Loanword Eggcorn Yep, that is what Tesla recommends too, and that is how I use it on a day-to-day basis. Larger roads with clear markings and highway/freeway is where it really shines! Smaller roads and roads with no center line gets problematic, and even though it does work, it's not to be relied upon under those circumstances.
Oedegaarde Thanks! In a sense Autopilot has an easier task on highways since there's more information for it to use: better markings, more cars to watch, no cross traffic, no intersections, etc. Much safer too since all the vehicles are going in the same direction.
+Loanword Eggcorn Absolutely. On larger roads I always use autopilot these days. I drive a lot slower than I used too, and just let the car do it's thing following the speedlimit :-)
Nice demonstration, what I am not sure about, did the car force you in any way to keep your hands on the steering wheel?
As I understand it, the American version does not, is there a difference to your version?
+ZarlockGE Thanks! Well, the car displays a warning to keep hands on the wheel every now and then - a lot less often on freeways. You just need to put a tiny bit of preassure on the wheel, then you can let go again. If you don't do it, the car will beep and eventually slow down to a complete stop. The same is true for the US version. The big difference in the EU version is, that whan you want to do a lanechange on the freeway, you have to touch the wheel first in EU (just for a split second), but you don't have to in the US.
+Oedegaarde Thanks for the info! :)
Hi Oedegaarde. Does the autopilot work just as well on unlit roads at night?
+pjvenner Yes, absolutely! It works just as well at night - if not better, as the reflections on the lines makes it easier for the camera to pick up.
Hello, what type of camcorder do you use? Thank you.
+Slavomir Svec Well it's my DSLR, a Canon 70D
+Oedegaarde You said, it was at the limits of the system, going through that curve. Can it be that the car was not even near the limit of its handling, but you felt it was loosing control?
+Grzegorz Kapica The car had to move across into the oposite lane to make the turn, which is obviously not a good idea, it did not lose control. It did make the turn and could probably do it even faster - but not in a safe or legal way.
Oedegaarde Thank you for your answer.
next time you can try to take the video for the road and display at the same time
What version are you driving? 85D?
+erikhesen It's a P85 (not "D") - built in early october 2014, so I just barely got the new sensors needed for autopilot :-)
what if you do it with 100kph which is normal speed in germany? and also in sharp 180° degree corners?
will it declerate itself or will you die?
whats with roads which have no line in the middle?
when you change your line, will it also detect cars with 250kph which want to overtake?
for me this is senseless. if you have to concentrate so much about all these things, you can drive on your own, this is also more fun and time passes faster.
+mob1235 Well, the autopilot is designed primarily for use on freeways/highways with visible lines on the road. It will still activate on smaller roads, but not if there are no lines at all. The latest update has applied the corner speed adaptation, so if the car thinks you are heading in to a corner too fast, it will slow down on its own (also works with just the cruise control) - so if you get to a sharp corner, the car will not crash, even if you do not intervene. The car will also detect cars in your blind spot, but not cars coming at 250+ kph, the sensors don't reach far enough.
Simply put - you still have to pay attention to the road and the conditions - it's not a self drivning car - autopilot is just an advanced driving aid. If you just drive along in your own lane on the autobahn/motorway, you don't have to do anything, but if you want to overtake or just change lane - you have to keep an eye out on your own.
+Oedegaarde thx for the good answer! but i see this as a safety issue. nobody will be as careful when its nearly full automatic as when you drive on your own. e.g. this blind spot sensors work every time pefect and so you will get used to it. and when you are not awake, exactly in this moment one thing, which the system is not made for, will happen (for example the 250kph car) and then there will be deads. also i cant imagine sitting in a car on the highway for a few hour doing nothing. this will make the people do other things or sleep. and if the system fails you are dead.
+mob1235 I get what you are saying, but I don't think people will be reckless in general (it's an expensive car after all), and I firmly believe that the system will save far more people, than it will kill. There will be accidents, as no system will ever be foolproof, but you should be ok, even if you fall asleep at the wheel. You have to be actively doing something stupid (like changing lanes without looking) or just be very unlucky to have a fatal accident. As far as I've heard, the autopilot has not been the cause of any accidents yet, and it has been in use for millions of miles of drivning - and it's getting better all the time!
+Oedegaarde I think, if there will be an accident, then Tesla will say: The person did not have their hands on the wheel like it was advised. So in statistics it will be listed as a drivers fault and not an issue of the system.
Theres a difference of the person/thing which is obviously guilty and the influence of such systems on our driving behaviour and safety.
+mob1235 That is quite possible, but it will not be hard for Tesla to prove it one way or the other, as the cars gather information all the time, and the cars logs will show, if the driver had the hands on the wheel, or did somthing "crazy" to cause an accident.
Where is this? Looks like Austria
Sweden ☺
Oedegaarde Oh! Nice 😄
What happens if you don't put your hands back on the wheel?
+Carbonized433 First at sign to put hands on wheel is shown. If you ignore that there is one beep, and after a few seconds there are two beeps and after that, the car starts to slow down and beem more intensely. If you still do nothing, the car will come to a complete stop.
Do the hazards or anything come on to warn other road users? Otherwise it'd look as if the person was just randomly stopping
+Carbonized433 Yes, the hazards turn on when the car stops.
Is this in Sweden?
+masattack1 Yes, it is :-)
+ChuckVanDamme Yep, a few different roads around Knäred, Laholm and Markaryd :-)
Just do it five more times and the tesla will handle it.
+Embeh It's already much, much better today than it was when I made this video. That is the "magic" of fleet learning technology and big data!
i going to get drivers licence annd my school does a christmas action where u can win a teslaa drive :DD
+Markus Amon Nice man :) for a tesla testdrive you have to be 25 years old :( I am only 22
So they include an autonomous driving system that does not always work. Imho this is dangerous and should be forbidden, because not all people will read the manual (especially when such a system becomes available in rental cars) and some people might trust the system too much and not pay attention at all...
Well it is semi autonomous and designed for highway use. Volvo, Mercedes etc have similar systems, just not quite as good. You don't need to read the manual, just pay attention to the road.
Oedegaarde
Yes, but the problem might be that some people don't pay attention when using a system like this.
The situation is different than fro train driver and pilots, because train drivers and pilots are only allowed to use autopilot systems if they have been sufficiently trained to use them...
+rfvtgbzhn Well it's not really different at all. The driver is supposed to be trained in the overall use of the vehicle - just as a pilot would. The autopilot itself couldn't be easier to use, just double tap the cruise control - no manual or training needed for that!
Oedegaarde
Yes, but pilots also learn the dangers pf using an autopilot. You don't learn that when you get a driving license...
definitely a bad road to test that one was.
+johnnyxp64 I think it was perfect. The point was to test the limits of the system - perfect roads is no challenge, but the smaller twisty ones are!
Oedegaarde when you fresh install a system so critical like this, until you get a hang of it, you do not go to the bad cases scenarios and limits. The algorithm learns, so start safer first and then start going to more crazy scenarios that you may wish to kill your self. Thats the reason tesla in later updates disabled the autopilot mode in roads like those. People were doing crazy and dangerous tests in public in roads where tesla stated its not build for that just yet. You cant learn to fly first and then walk. Sorry but thats reality and others may pay the price. Still it did pretty good for day one, now after few months out i am reading its even better because of the constant learning from the fleet. But its hard to find a review on the autopilot today! As of 2016 January version.
+johnnyxp64 I get what you are saying, and I have seen some crazy experiments with the autopilot too (like sitting in the backseat) - but this was nothing like that! The road is one I drive every day and know extremely well, and my hands were on the wheel, just in case I would need to take over, so there really was no risk to me, the car or anyone else (well no more, than if I was driving myself anyway).
The latest update really has made a big difference, and it feels much more stable now, on any road. The autopilot is however NOT disabled on any roads, but it has been "nerfed", as in limited to the speedlimit + 10 km/h (or about 7 mph in US) on roads with no center divider, which seems a sensible precaution.
+Oedegaarde Might be true, but this is not the point. the point is that some people trust theses systems too much and stop paying attention to the road, which could make driving unsafer instead of safer for everyone (even if you drive by the rules, you might still get hit by someone who doesn't).
+rfvtgbzhn Yes there will always be idiots on the road, but systems like this will much more likely save your life, than take it. The car can react much faster than a human and it will only get safer in the future.