20 States Attack 5.56 NATO
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- 20 states Attornies General have penned a letter to the white house demanding that Lake City shut down its commercial sales program. The states are: New York, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Hawai‘i, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington. These people have no idea how ammunition is sold or manufactured for the military or civilian markets.
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The 22 is popular because it's cheap and easy to use for target practice and small game as in varmint hunting. The 9mm is popular because it's used in self defense and has knockdown and is a good compromise between power and amount of ammo. The 5.56 is an intermediate round that was developed for the military during the time when a confusing amount of research and standards and thoughts of how to run a fire fight. It was a round made for every soldier to be a machine gunner and it was also to rectify the soldier that would not aim and fire on the enemy. After WW2 the military did a study on how many soldiers would fire their weapons at the enemy in order to kill and it came out that only two out of ten would do so. The military changed training and changed the weapon. Doing both was a mistake at the same time. The 5.56 is a round made from a varmint round and a full rifle round and is not very good at either. Too powerful for varmints and too weak for large game, but is good to use on things in the 30 to 60lb range. The three most popular rounds are actually 22 45 and 12gauge.
Going after the ammo is the same as going after the guns. These idiots need to be charged with treason by we the people.
I believe Washington State and or California have already lost cases trying to go after ammo by registering it, taxing it, or limiting it... the Supreme Court will most likely stop all this... but each time, Dems keep changing words or work-arounds to keep challenging the Courts' Rulings...
They all come from the same blood ties. Than there the ones like Biden who wish to be one and take up their ideals like Zionism.
That's quite the disclaimer guys. I get Shadow banned all the time just trying to get info out. They don't Shadow ban you just cuz you're a jerk just saying. We are amazed that many people are not charged with treason regular. We've got total idiots and control until we put our foot down. Good luck out there
I always said that if they can’t get the guns they’ll go for the ammo.
Yeah, maybe a noise ordinance for ammo next
Washington state just dropped a bill today to heavily tax ammo. If it sticks count on seeing it in every blue state.
Of course...they can't just get rid of our 2A rights outright...so they're trying "death by a thousand cuts" instead.
@@ratbagleymufflers?
What's funnier is that the military doesn't even use M193 anymore, and they started phasing out M855, in favor of M855A1, years ago. There is no competition between civilian markets and gov contracts
Civilians can buy M855A1, it's just a lot more expensive. (~$1300+ for 1000 rounds). If I were going to ranges that didn't allow lead core bullets, I'd get a case because they're lead-free.
But it would be counted in that “billions of rounds” number
@@paulis7319 Kinda yes but kinda no, and you should be careful with that one... Lake City absolutely does NOT sell m855A1 on the civilian market, and little if any (read essentially zero) legally makes its way from the military to the civilian market. There are very small amounts of it that can be found, but there's a also a good chance that listings you see are either fake scams or were stollen from an armory.
@@westpsmity You might want to do a search for it. I found a few places that sell it, all reputable dealers.
I'm done. Disband the military. Disband law enforcement. No government institution should have civilian grade weapons and ammo.
I mean, technically both are unconstitutional, so... yes.
The easier route would be to remove all dual-citizens form Gov. No dual Loyalties. If you look close all the people pushing communism in government have the same foreign ties. All bow to AIPAC
@@willy8d898 😂 what? You do realize we had standing Army and Navy when they wrote the constitution and declaration
@@James_Bee😂 yet they existed prior to the constitution
It is so agonizing to have people in authority positions that are this evil and stupid and know that millions of our countrymen keep putting them there! 😩
Brandon got less than 30million votes.
Your vote matters lol
Yep! I’ve seen many people in 2A pages who are ok with voting for tyrants who violate the constitution. They say you won’t vote if you find a politician who doesn’t violate the constitution 🤦♂️what we allow will continue.
20 oath-breaking AG's need to be reminded what the penalty for Treason is: Free dance lessons on how to do the Sisal Two-Step.
And it better be public.
And yall wonder why the anti 2A population paints us as a bunch of violent extremists.
I’m more partial to the good ol’ tar and feathers
@@PureCountryof91it will be don't worry bout that
You guys will just keep tryin to figure out how to legally use your 2nd amendment. 😂
To call my ammo "military grade" is frankly just an insult.
Stop pretending that they don't understand. You're playing into their hand. They understand exactly what they're doing: playing to the emotions of those who don't understand - their ignorant base.
Some of them have an understanding, most don't care. They do care about demonizing civilian firearms ownership either out of a misplaced urge for "safety" regardless of rights infringed, or an outright malicious desire to disarm the general public.
Precisely.
Likely casued to pretend due to certain lines of guides, guide.... Lines?
No they are actually stupid, not malicious I've talked to the people writing the rules they are actually just stupid they do not know
@@flavortown3781it’s a combination of both. They are equal parts misinformed and happy to tow party lines without ever actually doing due diligence to research the matter
This looks like a list of states to NOT move to.
Correct
Or move out from
It’s not the states. It’s their AGs. A concerned citizen of Nevada wrote to their governor about the petition, and the governor’s office responded that the AG acted alone.
The whole point is to cut off affordable ammo.
But their not doing that. Their just saying ignorant things. Stopping lake city from selling to the civilian market would not make much effect. I buy pull down projectiles and powder. The military isn’t allowed to sell live ammo anyway. They disassemble it. Most of the over runs sell for more $ than imported ammo.
@@jefferyboring4410 they’re = they + are
This has a Karen written all over it. People are so dumb
This is peak mothers demand action . I had to listen to those harpies during a 2A rally and temporarily lost brain cells.
Don't attribute malice to incompetence.
these people do not understand, what the "military market vs civilian market" is
They do, they just want you to think they don’t
@@DuhYaThink 12 gauge is military grade guess Biden needs to turn in his double barrel shotgun.
This would be a gateway to ban any ammunition that is used by military.
Like Mexico prohibits private ownership of any weapon that fires a military cartridge.
@@billgarand2136that’s crazy considering the cartel doesn’t listen. This is a perfect example of stupid gun laws. Taking citizens right to equal arms.
@@billgarand2136 many, many countries do this. It's why cartridges like 9x21 exist. They can't have 9x19, so some innovators in Italy took a 9mm Parbellum, lengthened it 2mm and loaded it to the same performance levels. They're stupid and pointless laws written by ignorant people so that they can feel good while accomplishing nothing... just like the vast majority of gun-control laws.
Just like France and Spain.
@@othlashow about .357 mag and .38 special?
There is a military designation for 1/4-20 screws. I wonder when those are going to be deemed evil.
immediately
1/4x28 screws would be considered assault weapon components.
Man that uniparty/establishment ruling class/oligarchy is really working hard to disarm us 😊 must be for our own good.
Sounds like a fluff piece for the AG to look like they're working.
Bingo. And to get that liberal vote.
Neither the US government nor the US ammo consumer "subsidizes" the other.
The US miltary needs to maintain a large production capacity than they need in peacetime because someday it might not be peaceful. Do you think that they can just spin-up an ammo plant with the capacity needed when war breaks out?
The US can only maintain a high capacity of ammo production if the excess is sold to the consumer. And both the US military and US consumers get an affordable round in the bargain. Going after Lake City is political malpractice. Any change to the status quo would just be simple be vandalism by policy.
The military buys about 1.5 billion rounds a year(not all 5.56mm). While yes they kind of maintain a production level this is not a high production level. This is only replacing what is used in training and some combat useage. The military has hundreds of billion of rounds stored for combat use. the older ammunition is used for training and the new ammo is to replace the old stocks although there is a lot of new ammunition that is used in training only as it has no combat use. The military forecasts what it needs every year but its a 5 years out forecast. The contractor figures out what it needs to fulfill the orders Id say they more than likely have a built in buffer to account for changes or other problems if all goes well they meet the production needed and then have excess production. While the US government may not exactly subsidize the consumer they do provide the facility and equipment so it is a kind of subsidy. The contractor benefits from the consumer when there is excess production and the consumer benefits because the ammo cost less to produce they they get a benefit there.
Hey, this guy gets it. The response to you is... well, ignorant but most people are.
Everyone of these people took an oath to uphold the constitution. They need to be held to that oath or forfeit their
office of public service.
Thank you for getting the information out.
If I was the guy who got that letter I would send them a letter back and it would simply say no.
Agreed, military grade just means held to that grade. Which is bulk quality. And as others have mentioned, 55 gr m193 hasn't been issue ammo in something like 40 years.
Seems stupid not to issue m193 for training ammo as it’s cheap and more accurate than m855a1. We all know the military likes to waste $. Are we sure they don’t use m193??? Man that’s dumb
Because ESG. No, seriously, "muh lead polluting shooting ranges"
These AGs, and of course ours from VT joined the cool kid club, seem to think they have no boundaries and can do whatever they want. Who do they think they are?? Absolutely infuriating
I hadn’t considered the negative impact to quality on the military sales side that disallowing sales to the commercial market could (arguably would) have. This is a deep insight from basic economics. Great perspective. What a shame politicians don’t care about reality only the perceptions of reality.
Figures my communist ass state is on this godforsaken list.
Me too. And now Turd Ferguson wants to be our Governor. He's such a weasel I'm actually optimistic we'll get our first non-leftist gov in like 20 years.
Fight their BS on the legal front, but it's time to ignore any BS that does pass and revert to only honoring only the constitution.
We the people
MIL-SPEC! If civilians actually knew what that really means, it's simply tragic how it gets used and abused.
I bet all twenty Attorney Generals want a certain list to be never released as well. Or one that doesn’t have their name on it.
Who the hell has billions of rounds besides the government 🤔
Ukraine
Israel
Can’t believe PA isn’t there. Happy about that at least.
They will be after the stroke victim finds his pants
They tried but they have been met with armed protest on a number of occasions.
I'm actually done buying anything from lake city. It is often more expensive than other options, less accurate, and less effective on a target than something like AAC black tip.
My favorite part of that letter, military subsidized to the civilian market? Where in the fudge do they think the military gets the money to pay for that ammo? We civilians, pay for EVERYTHING, NOT ONE FACET OF ANY GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR ANYTHING FROM MONEY THEY MAKE. ITS OUR MONEY, THE CITIZENS OF THE REPUBLIC PAY FOR EVERYTHING!
Ban Civilian ammo being used by the Military!!! 😂😂😂
So, why haven't the rest of the states written their letter in support of the citizens 2-A constitutional rights? Where the hell are the people that "protect and defend the U.S. Constitution.?
I’m tired of politicians shitting all over our Rights with zero consequences. On a side note military grade means made by the cheapest bidder.
Why dont they complain to body armor companies about how their products aren't more affordable and available.
I'm embarrassed to be an Arizonan at this point.
Considering that hobbit and mays stole the AZ elections...
Clean your house. The 2022 election was a dumpster fire.
The takeover is near complete. Stand your ground.
I’d be embarrassed to be an Arizonan too. You people fucked up by not electing Kari Lake as your governor.
Implying Arizonans got to elect anybody instead of, ya know, fraud?
It's still infringement and still violates the 2nd amendment. These people should be primaried out of office!
You actually gotta be delusional to think any elected official cares about the constitution.
I think the real reason why they changed to the new cartridge because they do want to infringe by removing ammo off the shelves.
These people should lose their jobs.
Thats not all..................
So Lake City starts making civilian stamped ammo at just slightly better than nato specs and charge the same as usual.
Sad to see that Arizona, Maine, and Michigan have gone over to the "dark side" on this issue. The progs are slowly winning on this issue.
Simple, the progs have full control of the country for decades now. You have to be unironically delusional if you think your vote matters in federal politics.
Notice how Republicans seem to crave attention from NYT more than their own constituents?
If they go for our rights we should be going for their rights too
Just to clarify, The USMC still uses and issues the "M16". Your choice for rifleman, is between the M16 and the M4 depending on your duties/mission. As far as last month which was my latest week for muster in the reserves.
Were you guys up to the m16a4s yet? I knew a guy who was still being given an m16a2s lol
@@GaMeRfReAkLIVE correct on the A4. Again it really depends on unit. Depends on unit status and mission. Most of us “reserve” Corps guys will get the oldest junk available!
@@john-sutton-tn yeah, good shit goes forward lol
Former 1/8 Marine here. My buddies still in 2MEF say almost all of them are issued M-27s now, mostly suppressed as well.
@@chrissmith-rv5romarine corps made a better choice than the army’s choice.
You forgot to mention that along with the stigma of whatever company has the LC contract will not be providing ammunition to civilians, the civilian taxpayer already paid them for the rounds thanks in whole by the US gubbermint.
Them 55/62 grain boolets are scurry.
All they need to do to really upset the apple-cart, would be to label the ammo "Military grade" and "Civilian grade", depending on where the product is going to be shipped to.
man... its good and sad at the same time, to see that we in germany are not the only ones who have complete muppets in our government. Those things are quite easy to understand, even for non-gun-people. But they decide to be borderline stupid and i dont get it.
They are relentless. We must be as well
trying to choke the ammo supply right when a new round is adopted, very sus
Some "political" speech writer and their staff who don"t know the first thing about weapons or ammunition, I'm shocked!
This is disgusting. I’m so sick of all of this
These folks would have had a cow if they were around when after WWII the rifles now going into the hands of US citizens were chambered for a REAL military rifle round: the 30.06!
I guess this confirms what we all knew about Lake City Ammo shutting down.
Sue those 20 states
"Military grade" ammo is designed to comply with the Geneva Convention Rules of Warfare. To that end, the small arms ammo is designed to do the least amount of damage to the human body when used. That is why it is very well documented that soldiers have suffered multiple hits with the 5.56 and were still combat effective.
This fella done lost his mind
Ugh that's a bunch of BS.
@@tinman3586 You, my friend, have obviously not served in the military in combat and are also woefully ill read.
@@markrichards7452 You, my friend, have obviously not served in the military in combat and are also woefully ill read.
Thanks for keeping us updated 👍
It was developed out of .222 I'm pretty sure. It was a civilian round. That's why they called it .223 because the lines were getting mixed up. At least I read that in a book like 15 years ago. I may be wrong. It was about the development of modern ammo.
It used to be called .222 special I believe, which was different than the normal .222 due to higher pressure, so they eventually did rename it to .223 to ease confusion, and there was a lot of that during the early history of the AR platform.
I got my info from the AR15 sourcebook
@@strongestgamer2501look up 6mm ARC uses the same .243 caliber bullets as .243 Winchester which is a alternative to .308 Winchester for non military ammo countries.
Military grade = built by lowest bidder
We should all write a letter to the Department of Gun Violence Prevention and let them know to stay the fuck away from the 2nd Amendment.
But penetrator rounds are already banned from civilian use. No one is rocking just fmj unless your a saw gunner.
That is 19 states and an area that should have no residents! You know that bro, call it out!!!
It's not the AR's fault now, it's the ammo's fault
Damn, my state was on there.....
Military grade = as cheap as humanly possible.
How about we pass laws for those that oppose our 2nd amendment can and will no longer be protected by those using the 2nd amendment, for all for of government!
If we ever had to use our second amendment rights for what was written in the constitution,
would state organized militias be required to abide by the Geneva Convention? If so, this would mean we would need military grade, full metal jacket, ball ammunition. Would this essentially be a constitutional requirement giving us access to Lake City ammunition?
They don't care about that stuff, they just want to make it sound as scary as possible.
Lake City is currently being operated by Winchester. I'm interested in seeing the response. At least the FL AG didn't sign onto the letter.
I'm about 98% sure that the contract says Winchester retains the rights to sell surplus ammo to the civilian market. I live not from LC and this is the way it has always been, whether it was Remington, Winchester, etc running the plant.
I really hope this wakes up the country to what NYers are dealing with. We have a bunch of unelected tyrants running this state. We need help!!!
“Lungs completely out of the body…”
I say we do a Nation wide Ban on "Starbucks" and "Chick-fil-A," "Preus," and "Tesla" and see how they like them. ORGANIC APPLE'S 😉
😂🤣😅
One more comment, if Lake City plant stops manufacturing for the civilian market it will increase their costs by limiting the amount of through put of the plant! When buying powder by the box car if you cut the amount by 50 % you will drive the cost up for powder and the same goes for all the components they buy, not to mention the cost of jobs, less ammo needs less people! The miners mining the metals used in the Brass, bullets and primers will lose jobs also.
They will just make up for it by raising our taxes. The gooberment could care less on how much money they steal from us and waste.
Any company that gets government contracts literally has access to the money printer. That's why geisele handguards cost $300 and DD can charge their silly prices.
Remember the politicians are speaking to the ones in the center not the ones who know. Not you and most who watch you. And it's the TAX PAYS who pays for the military so that ammo is paid for by the people already
I thought Arizona was one of the good guys.
Not with the current administration.
Last election was terrible for AZ. Also, Mayes the AG, won by barely by like 200 votes. It was a very sketchy election
Sadly, most normal states got flooded with lefty weirdos who brought their BS with them.
We use to be. Then we got popular.
Don't get popular. Make sure you make your state look like shit so nobody wants to come.
Thank you for the video. Commenting for the Algorithm.:)
Excellent analysis!
Another great video!!!
YOUR RIGHT!
They all flunked the common use part of the bar exam.
The bar will literally just turn a blind eye if you violate all principles for liberal cause.
Do you think they wrote any letters about the millions of dollars in actual military equipment they gifted the the Taliban when they fled Afghanistan???
Varmint round some states even make it illegal to shoot a deer with it because of it's inadequacy
To think they are doing this out of ignorance is ignorant
Wishful thinking on their part that the District of Columbia is a State.
Civilians cannot buy M855-A1. A1 is NOT the same as 62gr “green tip”. Nor will civilians be able to obtain the new high pressure rounds (and required high pressure parts) associated with the XM7. Also, they have it backwards. Commercial sales subsidize military usage.
Military grade 5.56x45 is actually made to a grade that will commonly function in a variety of rifles with regard to wear, condition, cleanliness etc. It isn't loaded to the top of it's capability. The ammunition has a sweet spot for pressure and velocity to obtain the best accuracy. In 5.56x45 that is far below what can be achieved if seeking just the maximum velocity. Function and accuracy is the standard priority in military grade ammunition. The 7.62 ammunition used in WW2 in the garand rifle was loaded far below the capability.
I would compare the logic in the letter to asking Ford to stop making trucks because F-150s are found at more accident sites than other brands and models of pick up trucks.
Here's what i think. Stock up on the things you'll need to keep your family alive for the next severalyears, because we're not walking away from what's coming our way, without earning our survival and sustainability as a country of citizens with shared values and beliefs.
M855a1 is already not allowed to make it out into the civilian market.
They're not doing any of this purely out of ignorance.
We’re supposed to have military grade ammunition, isn’t the whole point of the Second Amendment? It’s not for hunting or sport shooting.
Please don't let them know about the Nosler partition.
Shit dude that bag stands out
We the people gotta be self sufficient and we gotta reload. Make our own components. Find substitutes, etc. We need to be resourceful
I'm afraid we're already screwed when it comes to priming compound. Sure some are still available for now. But it's almost all under one umbrella. About to be bought out by a foreign conglomerate
Unless you go corrosive. Idk how that issue gets fixed. For the long haul.
Priming compound is hard to make same for the primer shells
Isn’t hard to make ***
Smokeless powder is the problem Black powder is easy
Wow I didn't know I agree that ammo sounds super scary we should do something about this😂😂😂
Wait till they hear about and see the size comparison to 30-06 😂😂😂
Searches aren't a 1:1 to purchases but a good proxy. Ammoseek says 9mm - 18% 5.56 - 11.5% and .223 5.5%. The 22 LR - 5.8%
Sure am proud of being from Tennessee 😎
Kinda makes you wonder whats behind this...anyone venture to think something not so awesome is on the horizon...me thinks a "Red Dawn" type of scenario is not as far fetched as some would think
“We dont use M16s anymore”. Correct, the taliban uses those now.
556 will never go away. Period