James Harrison said Tom worked as hard with the practice squad as he did with a10 year veteran. He is a leader of men whose desire and intensity knows no bounds. He elevated and focused this team as he has every team he has been on.
Nobody can ever tell me Brady is a product of anything but greatness, watched this man surgically remove my teams heart just 2 years ago in the AFC title game, that shit still stings even after winning last year.
Leadership isn't just a nice quality for a QB to have... it's essential. Rogers plays the QB position extremely well. He might be an OK leader. But he has nothing on Brady. Brady is the greatest leader in sports history. And he'll show that on Sunday. Everyone, including me. wanted to see a post season match up of Brady/Rogers for about a decade. Brady kept going to the Super Bowl.. Rogers never showed. So Brady said "Fuck it. I might as well go over there."
Could you imagine Brady V Mahomes in the SUPERBOWL!?? That’s the QB matchup everyone wants to see. The old guard vs the hot shot. I can only imagine the ratings that game would get
Did it in Michigan before he went to the NFL. Coaches went with the flashy guy in Brady’s final year, until the games they were losing, then they go back to Tom and he brings them to win time and time again. Could be the best leader on a football field evah...
The system? The name of the system is Tom Brady😂😂😂 Tom has been the GOAT for a really long time, he elevates everyone around him and makes everyone accountable. That's what makes Brady the greatest!
Re: "Brady had all those playoff wins because he played for the Patriots. " How soon we forget. What were the Patriots before TB12 got there and what are the Patriots after he left?
Yeah, it's really not any different than considering passing yards a QB stat. Like QBs are blocking, throwing to themselves and running after the catch.
@@leylandkennedy35 the lbj affect is way different. Lebron comes to your team trades away all future draft picks for last year's top players, fires 2-3 coaches then leaves when your salary cap is over max and your paying the luxury tax.
QB wins matter. Brady will hand off vs pass if that's what it is going to take to win. He does not care about numbers like passing yards, touchdowns, etc. He cares about winning. From sitting back to watch Henson play at Michigan until they needed Brady to pull them out of a deficit to winning a championship followed by being the 199th pick in the draft put a chip on his shoulder that nobody has knocked off yet! His biggest competitor is himself.
Agreed. Tom Brady has won more than 30% more games than any other QB in NFL history. His game win ratio is .766%, higher than any QB Hall of Famer. www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-records.html?type=&alltime=1
@@pheynx7573 And been there 9!.. 9 for 14 in Conference Championships.. No QB will never come close to those numbers & no player has come close to those numbers in any sport.
It doesn’t matter what the stats are, without even tossing a pass, Brady improves any team he is on. Just like Joe Montana, who didn’t have a powerful arm, wasn’t a mobile QB, or was he even very athletic, but he had leadership qualities like no one else. Joe and Tom have a way to make his teammates believe in them and believe that they can win with them and that quality is more important than any athletic talent. The other quality that Joe and Tom have is total control of their anxiety. They stay calm, even in a seemingly impossible situation and that makes the players around them stay calm and not play with a sense of urgency, thereby making mistakes. Brady proved that in the SB against Atlanta. Who else could construct such a comeback? That’s what Tom brings.
Agree to a point. Can’t discount the genius of Bill Walsh and how he revolutionized offense. Joe went to KC who were already riding high and Steve Young went on to win with Joe’s old team.
Gee I don't know about that nobody think Tom Brady is a system QB. Let's see: Max "Cliff" Kellerman, Nick "Big Nose" Wrong, Shannon "hater" Sharpe and Rob "senile" Parker.
Very articulate comment: Nick "Eunuch" Wright, Rob " irrelevant" Parker, Shannon " steroids" Sharpe, Max " football ignorant" Kellerman; guided by irrational hate, nothing more.
@Liberals are mentally controlled slaves Nope, first of all, most of the supporting people who came said that they only came because Tom was coming. Second, Tom took a pay cut to allow them to come. Third, Tom has been a coach on the field for all of the young people - amazing Bruce Arians. Fourth, Tom has been an AB whisperer and AB wouldn't even have been playing without Tom Brady's peace-making skills. Fifth, Tom Brady has made it to the Super Bowl 50% of the years that he has been QB and nobody at all has that type of experience and experience is an intangible factor. Sixth, TB has his TB12 system and part of that system is how disciplined Tom is, everybody has said that nobody else ever shows up before Tom and nobody else stays later than he does. That might be different with COVID but still, he has gone the extra mile and no player has "fathered" a team as a player like he is doing. His taking AB into his house and helping AB deal with his anger issues and all sorts of things that have immediately changed the identity of Tampa Bay.
I had montana and unitas above brady when he was 3-2. I had rice, LT and Brown above him when he was 4-2. When he got 5 its was over for me. Now he has 6, another mvp and took the bucs to the conference championship with 40tds at age 43. If he beats green bay in the snow on Sunday he’ll be higher than Jordan in my book
Its so cool that Tom Brady is in this Final 4. Wasn't rooting for him at all but now realise that the game in Green Bay will be so much better because Tom will be there. The ratings on this game should be high because it will be more then a game. Brady is on the field!
I call him coach Ego. I'm so glad the team I rooted for after moving from Peabody to Tampa at age 7 the Buccaneers have Tom so that he can prove Him wrong
To this day, I know Bill deliberately threw that Superbowl against the Eagles by selfishly not letting Malcolm Butler play even though the Pats (still my team) were playing like novices on defense, which eventually cost them the darn game. Kudos to Brady 💪 as well because he gave them the lead but the defense folded at the end. Yup, Belichick definitely sabotage that game.
@Liberals are mentally controlled slaves I think it was Logan who was getting torched throughout the game and that sourpuss still kept him in the game knowing damn well he wasn't playing good. Yet, he had Butler on the side lines looking in disbelief like a sad mother. Brady went for 505 yds which still stands today and gave them a one point lead, but due to his arrogance and steel will, he f### the team over by doing it his way. #Smh #Messedup
Tom brady is not only the Greatest Quarterback of all times but he is the greatest human being to ever live, after dominating the AFC for 20 years and winning 6 titles, in his first season in the NFC he's already in the NFC championship, he is a mythical figure
Idk if what you say is the truth, my friend. The more I look at Tom Brady's career, the more I cringe. Not to forget that he was known for deflating the footballs(which would be considered cheating in my book). Thomas Brady is not a person I would want to represent in the National Football League, which is built on strength, not cheating. Plus he kisses children
@@jeffreyburt9984 lol look what happened ever since the bogus deflate gate. Funny how that all happened because some WR dude from indianna complained about a ball after a cold game
Just kind of stumbled into this video... This was a really Great Discussion... Well thought out, well spoken, mutually respectful, great video and sound quality... This is a show that'd I'd like to see more often and get the spotlight
All you have to look at is the fact the Tom makes LESS Mistakes and he is damn accurate when he throws the ball. Let' me add that Tom Brady has the highest throws to different receivers than any other QB
Wins should be a QB stat just not the only QB stat considered while comparing Quarterbacks. Passing yards, TD's etc. all depend on your team as well (blocking, route running, catching). Nothing happens within a vacuum.
THANK YOU!! I keep saying that, Brady hasn't had the same teammates all his career, he's had a revolving door of people, people he made look a hell of a lot better than they actually were.
I have been a fan of Michael Holly for a long long time and it is a joy to watch and listen to both of these guys! Smith's insight, when he gets away from the low hanging fruit, is great. I like the way he thinks and his understanding of the game is refreshing! Really good to see these guys working together.
Brady is unique because he did more with less . He wasn't supposed to be a starter in NFL and he worked his tails off and afterwards he wasn't supposed to be mvp and he wasn't supposed to have Canon for arm and wasn't supposed to have stats and he wasn't supposed to have championships and he wasn't supposed to have longevity and the list goes on and on..... But he defied all those things and now he is truly the GOAT 🐐 .
Brady is the only Hall of Fame QB who is top #3 in every statistical category. Passing TD's to INT ratio. Passing yard average per year. Passer accuracy. Hes still only 1 of 3 to get 50 TD's in a season. And he has 3 MVPs. He's not just some guy.
Guys, you don't like the "win" stat for quarterbacks? To some extent I can understand and support that point, but are you aware that Tom Brady has won MORE THAN 30% MORE GAMES than any other QB in NFL history? www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-records.html?type=&alltime=1
The win stat ... is important. That is the goal of the game, and hence one of the primary goals of your careeer. Every greats mindset, is to win the game
I was just thinking about how in the past they were saying he couldn't win going on the road and without a first round bye LOL he just did it 3 straight weeks and against to of the better QB's in this league. If they win this SB against Mahomes it would be his greatest season ever, I would say even better than the undefeated season.
Wins are and always have been a QB stat for the same reason they are a pitchers stat and Goalie stat. Because nobody in the field of play has more control over wins and losses than these positions. Wins are a QB stat dude. Get over it.
Brady is charmed. No doubt about it. He's a good passer, an average athlete, a terrible runner. But he's a GREAT leader who truly inspires his team mates to do their absolute best. And he doesn't brag about himself constantly like a lot of "stars". That's charisma. That's leadership.
A basketball player who was some one who could be in a “Best Player” discussion might be Pete Maravich. Certainly not best career, but he was an incredible player in his day.
People,would say the qb is the most important and toughest position in sports and effects more people than himself. The quarterback makes others better. LT position isn’t really like that. It’s more just about him.
@@GeorgeZimmermen which makes it that much more impressive that he could almost single handedly win a game at LB.... that shouldn’t be possible but he did it for years . He changed entire teams offensive game plans & opened up lanes for other players in the process.
Examine GB's schedule to TB's schedule. One team played teams in the regular season which didn't make it to the Divisional round, & the RAMS only made through the Wild Card round
Seattle- the reason they played the last seq the way they did was bcuz of brady. Disnt want him to have any time, he made them overthink and they lost.
everyone is on over reaction mode. A Rodge has something for them. He will TORCH that defense. Unlike breee's he has a arm. I hope bucs win, but I'm putting money on Bay easy.
Every 3x+ SB winning QBs had HOFers around him. Bradshaw, Aikman, Montana....Brady has Gronk and didn't even have him for 28-3. He has thrown TDs to 90+ different players. He makes people better.
What I can't figure out is why everybody keeps talking about Brady "having Belichick" - Belichick was a LOSING coach before AND after Brady. It would be more appropriate to say Belichick had Brady. Brady is why people think Belichick is good. He's not even Top-25.
Very refreshing show. Nice to hear nuanced discussion. I agree that trying to proclaim one player as the greatest player of all time is a fool's errand. Players in different eras and positions are almost incomparable, and even same position in the same era have different circumstances (coaching staff, organization, city, teammates, health and injury, etc.) The answer can never be objective.
I think you believe too much of what you see on TV. If Shannon wasn’t counterpoint to Skip no one would watch. Speak for Yourself does a good job to but these guys don’t just step in front of a camera and start talking. They get together ahead of time and discuss which side of the discussion each will take.
When BB was with Cleveland he actually had a winning record and almost took them to a SB before they moved to Baltimore. BB builds the team and drafted Brady in the 6th round I call that Brilliant! Brady is the GOAT but he walked into a team Tampa already complete they just needed a QB.
Two NCAA Bowl wins in only two years as a starter including a 14th ranked Michigan besting a 5th ranked Alabama in overtime. If Brady is a system QB he must have brought it with him from Michigan.
In my opinion for an individual to go down as the greatest player of all time they would need statistical numbers to back up their argument and Rings to back up their argument and to show that they can do it in multiple or at least two different locations and that their presence make a difference in the team's there in now there are a couple of individuals or more that can be put into that category for that argument not just being a quarterback but Tom Brady is in that argument
Wins as an individual stat doesn't mean much game-by-game, but over a large sample it can show things and is a meaningful QB stat I think. (With all the exceptions, like you can saddle Matt Stafford in Detroit and really he should win more often etc.)
Brady Is The System! Where Brady Goes.. He Transforms It.. To His Football Chemistry Lab. All The Coaches & Players.. They All Went Along For The Ride!
Bird comes to mind for one of the greatest all-time carrier resumes. But really, does that even mean anything in the grand scheme of things? The one thing, and I think this is what these guys are driving at, that Brady will always be remembered and highlighted for is the odds he overcame. The way he did it, and how long he did it for. In the words of the great Bill Belichick "Stats are for losers". Brady's story and what he's accomplished because of it, in fact, all of the greatest players of any sport, what they overcome to get where they are is why we watch sports. Semantics are hardly ever a consideration to how one arrives. Just win Baby! If you can do that in the face of insurmountable odds and obstacles, that's greatness all day long! It can NOT be denied.
The decision on who is the Most Valuable Player" should try and answer the question of "how would the team perform without the MVP candidate, ie with an average QB or TE or RB etc instead ? In other words, how much does the MVP candidate elevate the team. The MVP decision must not be tied to personal stats because you are missing out on the intangibles a player brings to the table.
Everyone knew that Baby Brady was gone be special. That’s why when he was in the manger, the Three Wise Men came with gifts of frankincense, myrrh, and a football. They knew he as gonna be a baller.
It's actually true that when BB saw the leadership skills of Baby Brady, BB immediately put Baby Brady in charge of running the practices of the 2nd unit, even before Brady was Brady. That intangible was already there from the start.
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The "system" in New England was Tom Brady. He IS the system.
yep
scam newton goes to the pats and throws more picks than tds lol
Don’t tell that to this idiot Mike lmaoo
He IS the one.
@@edelmantoamendola great one
James Harrison said Tom worked as hard with the practice squad as he did with a10 year veteran. He is a leader of men whose desire and intensity knows no bounds. He elevated and focused this team as he has every team he has been on.
He did it in Michigan, New England and Tampa Bay.
@@pheynx7573 I watched him play at Michigan. Same dude. Same "system". You'd swear the Wolverines operated under the Patriot way.
Nobody can ever tell me Brady is a product of anything but greatness, watched this man surgically remove my teams heart just 2 years ago in the AFC title game, that shit still stings even after winning last year.
Someone thats not a fan of his team admitting this . I see so many dumb people on here calling it all “luck” . THANK YOU 😂💯
🙏
As a niner for life and believer that joe Montana was the goat, key word being was, this season is only adding to Brady’s legacy, he’s been the goat
So refreshing to see a show with reasonable discussion without screaming and saying stupid things (I am looking at you Asho, Shannon, Max). good work
100 PERCENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boston’s finest
Did y’all dumb ass just put Shannon in this and forgot to mention Skip or Stephen A?
@@stephenboley5758 too many idiots to put in the same comment. But I agree
Thats the beauty of it, he doesnt just walk in..he comes in and he builds from day one to win a superbowl with the ultimate focus and hard work
Leadership isn't just a nice quality for a QB to have... it's essential. Rogers plays the QB position extremely well. He might be an OK leader. But he has nothing on Brady. Brady is the greatest leader in sports history. And he'll show that on Sunday. Everyone, including me. wanted to see a post season match up of Brady/Rogers for about a decade. Brady kept going to the Super Bowl.. Rogers never showed. So Brady said "Fuck it. I might as well go over there."
Amen
Could you imagine Brady V Mahomes in the SUPERBOWL!?? That’s the QB matchup everyone wants to see. The old guard vs the hot shot. I can only imagine the ratings that game would get
@@tyleryoon195 Well you remember in 2018 when Brady robbed Mahomes of his first shot in overtime at the AFC Championship Game
for real!!
It took Brady exactly 2 Playoff games to have more playoff wins without Belichick than Belichick has without him.
Lol absolutely 💯
At this point in the game, only fools bet against the GOAT.
What brady has done for Tampa is crazy he has changed that organization for years to come.
Did it in Michigan before he went to the NFL. Coaches went with the flashy guy in Brady’s final year, until the games they were losing, then they go back to Tom and he brings them to win time and time again. Could be the best leader on a football field evah...
That’s insane, what I mean is this guy is 43 or 44 or whatever and is changing a team that was nowhere near this success, he’s a monster
@@luismontenegro3932 absolutely the is the guy is a beast
All together Tom Brady has a combined 60 NFL records. That is amazing
Bradys only played 19 full seasons so reallys hes 14 for 19 in full seasons
This
And his rookie year he didn’t play either.
Exactly everyone forgets his blown knee.
This facts is so nasty IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL what he has done
truthfully only 18 seasons he didn't play in 2000. so technically he made it to all but 4 championship games.
The system? The name of the system is Tom Brady😂😂😂 Tom has been the GOAT for a really long time, he elevates everyone around him and makes everyone accountable. That's what makes Brady the greatest!
Re: "Brady had all those playoff wins because he played for the Patriots. "
How soon we forget. What were the Patriots before TB12 got there and what are the Patriots after he left?
The GOAT will win his 7th titlle...no question asked
We gotta do it . It's our destiny... The Big Dance is in Tampa 💯
They will have to play a perfect game to beat the Packers in Lambeuau.
Done deal man. 👀
Brady has not played 21 seasons. He has played 19. He has made the conference championship in 14 of those 19 seasons.
Wins should be a QB stat when wherever he goes they win and wherever he left fell apart.
People like to say it’s not a QB stat but at the same time they so quick to throw Super Bowl wins for other QBs in other words it’s a QB stat
The LBJ effect. Yup
Yeah, it's really not any different than considering passing yards a QB stat. Like QBs are blocking, throwing to themselves and running after the catch.
@@leylandkennedy35 the lbj affect is way different. Lebron comes to your team trades away all future draft picks for last year's top players, fires 2-3 coaches then leaves when your salary cap is over max and your paying the luxury tax.
@@nicholasmccune7949 I'm just talking wins and losses. These billionaires ain't worried about a few million in luxury taxes, if it yields winning
QB wins matter. Brady will hand off vs pass if that's what it is going to take to win. He does not care about numbers like passing yards, touchdowns, etc. He cares about winning. From sitting back to watch Henson play at Michigan until they needed Brady to pull them out of a deficit to winning a championship followed by being the 199th pick in the draft put a chip on his shoulder that nobody has knocked off yet! His biggest competitor is himself.
Agreed. Tom Brady has won more than 30% more games than any other QB in NFL history.
His game win ratio is .766%, higher than any QB Hall of Famer.
www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-records.html?type=&alltime=1
You are so right!!
If Tom Brady pulls off a Super Bowl win.He’s the greatest football player that ever lived. Period.
he prolly still is without another one but with another there is no debate.
I don't believe any other player has 6 SB wins.
He already was 3 Super Bowls ago.. 6-9 in Super Bowls will never be touched again.
@@pheynx7573 And been there 9!.. 9 for 14 in Conference Championships.. No QB will never come close to those numbers & no player has come close to those numbers in any sport.
Why is there even a debate in the first place after his 5th, haters gonna hate, doesn't diminish his greatness
It doesn’t matter what the stats are, without even tossing a pass, Brady improves any team he is on. Just like Joe Montana, who didn’t have a powerful arm, wasn’t a mobile QB, or was he even very athletic, but he had leadership qualities like no one else. Joe and Tom have a way to make his teammates believe in them and believe that they can win with them and that quality is more important than any athletic talent.
The other quality that Joe and Tom have is total control of their anxiety. They stay calm, even in a seemingly impossible situation and that makes the players around them stay calm and not play with a sense of urgency, thereby making mistakes. Brady proved that in the SB against Atlanta. Who else could construct such a comeback? That’s what Tom brings.
Agreed. Very well said.
Agree to a point. Can’t discount the genius of Bill Walsh and how he revolutionized offense. Joe went to KC who were already riding high and Steve Young went on to win with Joe’s old team.
Gee I don't know about that nobody think Tom Brady is a system QB. Let's see: Max "Cliff" Kellerman, Nick "Big Nose" Wrong, Shannon "hater" Sharpe and Rob "senile" Parker.
Very articulate comment: Nick "Eunuch" Wright, Rob " irrelevant" Parker, Shannon " steroids" Sharpe, Max " football ignorant" Kellerman; guided by irrational hate, nothing more.
Patriot haters would say that about tb12
Shannon isn’t a hater. I love Brady but he always makes valid points
You're right, Tom Brady didn't pick off anyone. But he took that and put it in the endzone. Led the game winning drive time and time again
yeah its a team game and you can't deny that having Brady on a team elevates everyone's playing and confidence....team went from 7-9 to 11-5
Brady is the goat. Who do you think could have done what he did in Tampa? Right...no one.
Carson "da fumbilitis"wentz
@Liberals are mentally controlled slaves Nope, first of all, most of the supporting people who came said that they only came because Tom was coming. Second, Tom took a pay cut to allow them to come. Third, Tom has been a coach on the field for all of the young people - amazing Bruce Arians. Fourth, Tom has been an AB whisperer and AB wouldn't even have been playing without Tom Brady's peace-making skills. Fifth, Tom Brady has made it to the Super Bowl 50% of the years that he has been QB and nobody at all has that type of experience and experience is an intangible factor. Sixth, TB has his TB12 system and part of that system is how disciplined Tom is, everybody has said that nobody else ever shows up before Tom and nobody else stays later than he does. That might be different with COVID but still, he has gone the extra mile and no player has "fathered" a team as a player like he is doing. His taking AB into his house and helping AB deal with his anger issues and all sorts of things that have immediately changed the identity of Tampa Bay.
Jamies Winston
@@christopherhinson8022 you must be James himself...😂😂😂
@Liberals are mentally controlled slaves
All those tangibles are in play as such as COVID 43 new playbook etc...
I had montana and unitas above brady when he was 3-2. I had rice, LT and Brown above him when he was 4-2. When he got 5 its was over for me. Now he has 6, another mvp and took the bucs to the conference championship with 40tds at age 43. If he beats green bay in the snow on Sunday he’ll be higher than Jordan in my book
I believe if he wins the sb this year he be "the greatest athlete in American team sports history"
Its so cool that Tom Brady is in this Final 4. Wasn't rooting for him at all but now realise that the game in Green Bay will be so much better because Tom will be there. The ratings on this game should be high because it will be more then a game. Brady is on the field!
I really like your show, Boston guys to heart. Feel like Belichek's ego needed to be over Brady, big mistake.
I call him coach Ego. I'm so glad the team I rooted for after moving from Peabody to Tampa at age 7 the Buccaneers have Tom so that he can prove Him wrong
Belichick has no soul. After 9 Super Bowls he should have highly appreciated Brady and kept him a Patriot and let him play as long as he wanted.
@Liberals are mentally controlled slaves Agree with your point and your name.
To this day, I know Bill deliberately threw that Superbowl against the Eagles by selfishly not letting Malcolm Butler play even though the Pats (still my team) were playing like novices on defense, which eventually cost them the darn game. Kudos to Brady 💪 as well because he gave them the lead but the defense folded at the end. Yup, Belichick definitely sabotage that game.
@Liberals are mentally controlled slaves I think it was Logan who was getting torched throughout the game and that sourpuss still kept him in the game knowing damn well he wasn't playing good. Yet, he had Butler on the side lines looking in disbelief like a sad mother. Brady went for 505 yds which still stands today and gave them a one point lead, but due to his arrogance and steel will, he f### the team over by doing it his way. #Smh #Messedup
There’s a part of me that’s actually rooting for him.
ALL OF ME
40 gang for the win
@@evacharkowski2539 all of me too 😂🥰❤️❤️
You can’t play around a bad quarterback on offense. 9 outta 10 a bad qb equals a bad football team.
100%, Brees , an all time great, had a bad game and there’s nothing the rest of the Saints could do to compensate for it
Yep, Mitch Trubisky and Jarred Goff are perfect examples
Tom brady is not only the Greatest Quarterback of all times but he is the greatest human being to ever live, after dominating the AFC for 20 years and winning 6 titles, in his first season in the NFC he's already in the NFC championship, he is a mythical figure
I can’t tell if this is a joke or not, I sure hope so.
I can't tell if this is a joke it not. Lol 😆
Great show! Intellectual football debate...got to love it.
Lmao I’m so high and didn’t even realize that this wasn’t espn I’m halfway through the video great content!
The guy on the left is just so professional and plays his part in the interview this guy is incredible!
A breath of fresh air. This must be new. I like the cool calm analysis.
Imagine bein someone who doesn’t like brady. Nfls been rough to watch for them 😂
Idk if what you say is the truth, my friend. The more I look at Tom Brady's career, the more I cringe. Not to forget that he was known for deflating the footballs(which would be considered cheating in my book). Thomas Brady is not a person I would want to represent in the National Football League, which is built on strength, not cheating.
Plus he kisses children
@@jeffreyburt9984 lol look what happened ever since the bogus deflate gate. Funny how that all happened because some WR dude from indianna complained about a ball after a cold game
@@jeffreyburt9984 dude stop spending all day in front of the TV. Go outside or read a book once in a while.
@@lockyer0061 Maybe try eating dirt.
Tom Brady turned out to be a great de facto gm as well.
tom brady's legacy is beyond numbers that is 100% true
Brady is a Blessed Man.
Just kind of stumbled into this video... This was a really Great Discussion... Well thought out, well spoken, mutually respectful, great video and sound quality... This is a show that'd I'd like to see more often and get the spotlight
All you have to look at is the fact the Tom makes LESS Mistakes and he is damn accurate when he throws the ball. Let' me add that Tom Brady has the highest throws to different receivers than any other QB
Wins should be a QB stat just not the only QB stat considered while comparing Quarterbacks. Passing yards, TD's etc. all depend on your team as well (blocking, route running, catching). Nothing happens within a vacuum.
Agreed. Tom Brady has won more than 30% more games than any other QB in NFL history.
www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-records.html?type=&alltime=1
Can we stop doubting Brady, Michael... in freaking credible!!
THANK YOU!! I keep saying that, Brady hasn't had the same teammates all his career, he's had a revolving door of people, people he made look a hell of a lot better than they actually were.
most dominate players at their positions not close for overall players. Brady touches the ball on every snap
If this is the closest I can get to Michael Holley on Weei I’ll take it. You’re sorely missed on the radio my man.
I have been a fan of Michael Holly for a long long time and it is a joy to watch and listen to both of these guys! Smith's insight, when he gets away from the low hanging fruit, is great. I like the way he thinks and his understanding of the game is refreshing! Really good to see these guys working together.
Brady is unique because he did more with less . He wasn't supposed to be a starter in NFL and he worked his tails off and afterwards he wasn't supposed to be mvp and he wasn't supposed to have Canon for arm and wasn't supposed to have stats and he wasn't supposed to have championships and he wasn't supposed to have longevity and the list goes on and on..... But he defied all those things and now he is truly the GOAT 🐐 .
After this year, I'm writing Roger Goodell for a Recommendation. Changing the Super Bowl to the Brady Bowl..
Cool 😘
A man named Brady🏈
I disagree. Wins are a quarterback stat when you look at how The Patriots won many of those Super Bowls.
Brady is the only Hall of Fame QB who is top #3 in every statistical category. Passing TD's to INT ratio. Passing yard average per year. Passer accuracy. Hes still only 1 of 3 to get 50 TD's in a season. And he has 3 MVPs. He's not just some guy.
Guys, you don't like the "win" stat for quarterbacks? To some extent I can understand and support that point, but are you aware that Tom Brady has won MORE THAN 30% MORE GAMES than any other QB in NFL history?
www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-records.html?type=&alltime=1
The only QB with 100 home wins and 100 road wins. Manning has 88 road win. He has the 2nd most.
The win stat ... is important. That is the goal of the game, and hence one of the primary goals of your careeer. Every greats mindset, is to win the game
Enjoyed both u guys throughout the years on your different outlets.
Wish Holley was still on local Boston radio.
I was just thinking about how in the past they were saying he couldn't win going on the road and without a first round bye LOL he just did it 3 straight weeks and against to of the better QB's in this league. If they win this SB against Mahomes it would be his greatest season ever, I would say even better than the undefeated season.
I think we really need to start appreciating Tom Brady cuz we may not ever see this again.
Wins are and always have been a QB stat for the same reason they are a pitchers stat and Goalie stat. Because nobody in the field of play has more control over wins and losses than these positions. Wins are a QB stat dude. Get over it.
Brady is charmed. No doubt about it. He's a good passer, an average athlete, a terrible runner. But he's a GREAT leader who truly inspires his team mates to do their absolute best. And he doesn't brag about himself constantly like a lot of "stars". That's charisma. That's leadership.
Who did Devon White said was the leader post game?
A basketball player who was some one who could be in a “Best Player” discussion might be Pete Maravich. Certainly not best career, but he was an incredible player in his day.
Tom Brady is the system.
I don’t think a player can be better than L.T was at doing his job & then some. But I wouldn’t argue with someone calling Brady Goat
People,would say the qb is the most important and toughest position in sports and effects more people than himself. The quarterback makes others better. LT position isn’t really like that. It’s more just about him.
@@GeorgeZimmermen which makes it that much more impressive that he could almost single handedly win a game at LB.... that shouldn’t be possible but he did it for years . He changed entire teams offensive game plans & opened up lanes for other players in the process.
Remember when Brady joined the Bucs. everyone was saying Brady can't throw beyond 15 yards. After some 47 yards passes no one mentions it again
Examine GB's schedule to TB's schedule. One team played teams in the regular season which didn't make it to the Divisional round, & the RAMS only made through the Wild Card round
what are you referring to
First time watching, great show! Subscribed!
Yes. People still call him a system qb. He is still called a system qb. And now, they are saying Bill made him great. It never ends.
Seattle- the reason they played the last seq the way they did was bcuz of brady. Disnt want him to have any time, he made them overthink and they lost.
Tampa should make it mandatory that the players must wear long johns in this game
Caught that Cake reference lol hem of his garment.
Tampa is going to the superbowl..and I hate Brady lol but he has a better team then in new England
everyone is on over reaction mode. A Rodge has something for them. He will TORCH that defense. Unlike breee's he has a arm. I hope bucs win, but I'm putting money on Bay easy.
@@BeeBopGaming Which bay. Green or Tampa lol
@@tylerkerfoot1151 both. First tie and we have three teams in the super bowl.
The annual Tom Brady championship game weekend, just on the nfc side this time. Let’s get it Touchdown Tom!
Every 3x+ SB winning QBs had HOFers around him. Bradshaw, Aikman, Montana....Brady has Gronk and didn't even have him for 28-3. He has thrown TDs to 90+ different players. He makes people better.
What I can't figure out is why everybody keeps talking about Brady "having Belichick" - Belichick was a LOSING coach before AND after Brady. It would be more appropriate to say Belichick had Brady. Brady is why people think Belichick is good. He's not even Top-25.
Nobody can deny the greatness of Brady.
but rob parker told me brady is the LOAT.
Very refreshing show. Nice to hear nuanced discussion. I agree that trying to proclaim one player as the greatest player of all time is a fool's errand. Players in different eras and positions are almost incomparable, and even same position in the same era have different circumstances (coaching staff, organization, city, teammates, health and injury, etc.) The answer can never be objective.
I feel like Sean Payton and The Saints are a better team then A ROD and the Packers.
Nick Wrong
Max Kellerman
Rob Parker
Shannon Sharpe
need i say more?
I think you believe too much of what you see on TV. If Shannon wasn’t counterpoint to Skip no one would watch. Speak for Yourself does a good job to but these guys don’t just step in front of a camera and start talking. They get together ahead of time and discuss which side of the discussion each will take.
@@seriously6654 Absolutely. Can't have a debate if everyone agrees. Its theatrics like wrestling.
Oh - I didn't even know about this show.
BB has 7 years worth of games as a HC without Brady and has a losing record....
When BB was with Cleveland he actually had a winning record and almost took them to a SB before they moved to Baltimore. BB builds the team and drafted Brady in the 6th round I call that Brilliant! Brady is the GOAT but he walked into a team Tampa already complete they just needed a QB.
@@futurespast5150 BB had a winning season with clev yes, but his Clev tenure as a whole had a losing record.
What a great discussion on the "greatest" player of all time. Very well thought out.
The most surprising stat Brady owns...
Brady has the most TD runs out of any QB in the post season.
So 3 years of extra football means he is 46
Two NCAA Bowl wins in only two years as a starter including a 14th ranked Michigan besting a 5th ranked Alabama in overtime. If Brady is a system QB he must have brought it with him from Michigan.
In my opinion for an individual to go down as the greatest player of all time they would need statistical numbers to back up their argument and Rings to back up their argument and to show that they can do it in multiple or at least two different locations and that their presence make a difference in the team's there in now there are a couple of individuals or more that can be put into that category for that argument not just being a quarterback but Tom Brady is in that argument
Wins as an individual stat doesn't mean much game-by-game, but over a large sample it can show things and is a meaningful QB stat I think. (With all the exceptions, like you can saddle Matt Stafford in Detroit and really he should win more often etc.)
The whole qb thing is exactly why suh didn't win the Heisman in college. His solo stats were better than most other entire defenses his senior year
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Brady Is The System! Where Brady Goes.. He Transforms It.. To His Football Chemistry Lab. All The Coaches & Players.. They All Went Along For The Ride!
Brought it with him to theNFL also. Bill didn’t create it.
I love these guys
GOAT of all time of all sports !
Cant win without a QB so yeah wins matter for QB he is the winningest QB in NFL history
I want to thank you two for having a logical debate. Thank you.
Tom Brady IS the system
It do help getting all the calls too.
Brady is a grade A game manager. . . Outstanding. . Non athletic. . However always played his heart out. . GOAT. . . WHat defines. . Goat???
I'd like to hear who you'd put above him
Great job guys! New sub!
Bird comes to mind for one of the greatest all-time carrier resumes. But really, does that even mean anything in the grand scheme of things? The one thing, and I think this is what these guys are driving at, that Brady will always be remembered and highlighted for is the odds he overcame. The way he did it, and how long he did it for. In the words of the great Bill Belichick "Stats are for losers". Brady's story and what he's accomplished because of it, in fact, all of the greatest players of any sport, what they overcome to get where they are is why we watch sports. Semantics are hardly ever a consideration to how one arrives. Just win Baby! If you can do that in the face of insurmountable odds and obstacles, that's greatness all day long! It can NOT be denied.
The decision on who is the Most Valuable Player" should try and answer the question of "how would the team perform without the MVP candidate, ie with an average QB or TE or RB etc instead ? In other words, how much does the MVP candidate elevate the team. The MVP decision must not be tied to personal stats because you are missing out on the intangibles a player brings to the table.
Loved ur show. This game could go to OT 😜
Kareem Abdul Jabar had the best basketball career. Champion on all levels.
Everyone knew that Baby Brady was gone be special. That’s why when he was in the manger, the Three Wise Men came with gifts of frankincense, myrrh, and a football. They knew he as gonna be a baller.
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It's actually true that when BB saw the leadership skills of Baby Brady, BB immediately put Baby Brady in charge of running the practices of the 2nd unit, even before Brady was Brady. That intangible was already there from the start.
My first video on this channel. I really like these guy's 👍