Well done Sam, that was a close one! Looks like the body is lower at the back, but hey, it works! It's probably worth stripping it back to metal and doing a decent repaint job, and then it would look loads better! PS I still want to buy a Salvage or Scrap tee-shirt!!!
Thank you! Yeah it may be - the body fixing was very dodgy on this... and I didn't manage to get all the fixings back in either, haha! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great work! As suggested by others, try using paint stripper on the bodywork and repaint it properly. It would also be good to create some kind of cover to hide the exposed parts of the motor beneath the boiler. All that would take a lot longer than a further 22 minutes but maybe the Scrapman allows longer for subsequent cosmetic improvements?
I bought a similarly awful K's LNER J52 body only. It went into caustic soda/water, removing glue and paint. Once reassembled, super-detailed plus a scratch-built underframe and can motor to EM gauge, it is a superb hauler. I also loaded it with lead shot in every possible space.
Wanted to thank you again for making me love model railways again, just getting my layout up and running. 4 foot by 10 foot isn't the biggest space but I'm making the most of it and I've been loving every bit of it. Thank you!
As someone who does restore and repair a lot of locks and on occasion a kit I very much understand the emotions and frustrations you had during this repair.Well done for getting it running again and in the time limit.
hahaha thank you very much! Definitely wasn't expecting this one to run again... so rare to find a slipping tri-ang gear, so sods law I should find one while doing this ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Gotta say, I'm very impressed I thought this one goes to the Scrapman for sure but no, you even managed to save this abomination of a locomotive. I've built three locomotive kits in my life, two of them I got as a gift and one I've purchased and I said to myself never ever again. One of then runs poorly, one runs okay-ish and the latest one runs quite nice and I'm very proud of that. It was a Roundhouse kit in case you wonder of a 2-8-0 tender engine the others look and run quite poor. That's the thing with kit-built locomotives for me. I like painting and working on the body to make it look good but in this case it runs on a tried and tested chassis which makes it look quite easy. I really didn't expect you to get through this repair, Sam. Especially not withhin 22 minutes. Can't wait for the next episode 👍
Again great episode of Salvage or Scrap. Really didn't expect you to get that one done in the time. Nail biting! Now what would be quicker... trying to strip and repaint that horrific body or 3D printing a prettier replacement? Now there's an idea for another video!
I can’t help but picture every loco ever made having a personality (this chap is like Forkey from Toy Story 😂), thanks for giving them another lease on life m8
I have two of these engines, and am very fond of them! Given the model is now some 60 years old it is still a good model - basic but robust (the way I like them) Kits in those days were sold with the expectation that the purchaser was prepared to do a fair bit of extra work on them, and obviously didn't yet have the modern casting finesse which we now expect. Simple tip - immerse the body and tender in boiling caustic soda (the sort you use in the kitchen sink.) for half an hour - this will remove paint and old, old glue. Then rebuild and improve. The Triang/Hornby chassis can be modified, cutting off the cast ballast lump ahead of the worm; the original kit did actually include a 'filler' segment for the boiler, for those who wanted to do it. On a personal note, I prefer the Wills model to the Mainline one, whose wheels never looked quite the right diameter. And the Triang wheel/axle assemblies don't fall apart, like the Mainline plastic muffs. Each to his own, though. (Last time I was down at Bewdley, I found a 70 years old Ratio wooden GWR autocoach - just needed a little sprucing up. Bet you didn't know that Ration once made wooden kits? Some of those old models are still good. )
Immersing in boiling caustic soda is a bit prototypical. That's what used to happen to steam locomotive parts in the boshing plant at Swindon to get all the grit grime and effluent off. Mind you, I don't imagine they used the kitchen sink. Back in the 1960s there was a cast white metal GW autocoach kit. It was so heavy that the only loco I had that would haul it was the Farish 94xx and that was as much as even that would pull in one go.
@SamsTrains Here's why you should absolutely love kit-built locomotives. You bought it for £22, spent 22 minutes fixing it up, and sold it for $85. That's... £172/hr profit. Seriously though, to the right person, none of that poor assembly and paint matters. Paint stripper will take the paint off, and a quick oven bake will desolder the parts, allowing for reassembly and painting to a better standard.
Assuming this kit was glued together I would be inclined to immerse the body in hot water and pull it apart for a complete rebuild and paint strip. Remove the hand rails, fill holes and drill new one to put them in the right place. Then basically rebuild it.
haha yeah - I don't mean to be unkind - I've made some rubbish myself too! Then again, if they sold it off for £20 (or less realistically), they probably weren't too proud of it, like Kev said! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Truly ironic indeed when it comes to kit-built locos. Looking horrible from the outside, but able to run well after the repair challenge that even I thought would fail, but didn't. lol
Amazing that you got the kit built locomotive running again, and with no time to spare. Looks like the Scrapman is going to go hungry for quite some time.
That was brilliantly salvaged at the last there, Sam! I was sure Scrapman was in for a Collett Supper! 😅 Those old kits are quite charming when we’ll made but that paint job was something else! Reminded me of some of my efforts when I was about 7 🤔 Cheers mate, love this series 😎👍🍀🍻
I have a couple of kit built locos, you have to remember there were times in the early days these were the only offerings of that specific engine. I’m not rivet counter if it looks right it is
Realistically speaking, that painting style is something that you see with older models. Those that date from before air brushing was a cheap alternative. Some of Rev Awdry's models, if you ever look closely at them, have this same painting 'style'.
@SamsTrains. I absolutely love that the Salvage or Scrap series has come this far. I really do love it. I really need some of the tools that you have. for instance, I really need a re-magnetizer machine and a pinion/electric motor drive gear remover/puller. do you know where I can get these? Please let me know. Thank you so very much. Kind regards and best wishes, Dylan
Hi Sam I've just finished making my lnwr claughton class the large boiler verson using the bachmann patriot body. I'm still working on the 3D version, I'll keep you updated on that one Cheers Jasper & Willow
I thought that this locomotive would be scrapped Sam, but that's not happening today. Let's just hope that the next one will be saved. Cheers Jasper & Willow
I had to stop after only a few minutes, as I was laughing so much at that shoddy build, I was crying. I love the paintwork - it looks like the paint was poured from the tin onto the model, and then vaguely smeared about with a brush for a bit. Awful. As Vic Reeves would say: "Very poor indeed, ladies and gentlemen. Very poor."
This week, on Salvage or Scrap, Sam has to repair a Kit build locomotive, can he do it, or will the locomotive be fed to the SCRAP MAN? Find out this week, on yet another exciting episode of Salvage or Scrap!
Once again, the Evil Scrapman didn’t have his crispety crunchety clankety clunkity scrap sausages. I wonder if you will one day deal with a diesel shunter that’s been broken in half, then welded in half and covered in vomit? Or maybe somebody who tried to do a custom/kit bashed Thomas model, but to no avail?
NO More Time-O Matic videos ! Your no time limit salvage had a LOTs more information. "Entertainment" is OK but No time outs ! Richard in Colorado, BIG Fan !
Well done Sam. Although I would give it to the scrap man as a consultation prize. There is so much horrible about it that I would not want to own it. Apart from displaying it as how not to do it. That aside, I have never built a locomotive for a layout. I used to build the airfix model kits as static models , mainly planes and tanks, I did build a couple of the trains, as static models, one was good the other fair. But as a teenager many decades ago, they didn’t survive house moves etc, which is just as well. I know my limitations, and locomotive building is definitely not a good idea . But I take my hat off to you, and even to the person who built it, they had a go. Another one survivor. Maybe you should have a book of the good, bad and ugliest. Lol . Great video Sam. 🎉
These kits were crude in the first place. I think that they provided loco types that weren’t commercially available from the main manufacturers. I had a part built Keyser kit of a Black 5 given to me and it was glued together with epoxy. Superglue wasn’t available then. It was epoxy or low temp solder. In other words, a lot of faff! I didn’t bother with it and sold it on. Never touched these kits ever again. That one is the roughest I’ve ever seen!
You should have just chucked it in the bin. Even though you got it running. The thing looks so awful lol. But what is even more amazing. Is that the current highest bid is £72 lol.
I wonder whether the paint could be removed with meths and the loco repainted properly. I'd also remove the handrail and replace it, filling the old holes with something. Not sure what - they are small.
You should know what the mechanism of the little American 0-4-0 will be like, another person called SMT Mainline has already made a video on restoring a similar engine
Love this series. The perfect balance of silly humour and learning all in one. Hats off again, Sam.
haha thanks so much, really glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That was VERY close. Never seen you this stressed on salvaging a kit build loco. Great job.
Take a shot of whisky every time Sam says "i hate kit built locos"
Here lies Kaidyn who died from alcohol poisoning
Well done Sam, that was a close one! Looks like the body is lower at the back, but hey, it works!
It's probably worth stripping it back to metal and doing a decent repaint job, and then it would look loads better!
PS I still want to buy a Salvage or Scrap tee-shirt!!!
Thank you! Yeah it may be - the body fixing was very dodgy on this... and I didn't manage to get all the fixings back in either, haha!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great work! As suggested by others, try using paint stripper on the bodywork and repaint it properly. It would also be good to create some kind of cover to hide the exposed parts of the motor beneath the boiler. All that would take a lot longer than a further 22 minutes but maybe the Scrapman allows longer for subsequent cosmetic improvements?
I bought a similarly awful K's LNER J52 body only. It went into caustic soda/water, removing glue and paint. Once reassembled, super-detailed plus a scratch-built underframe and can motor to EM gauge, it is a superb hauler. I also loaded it with lead shot in every possible space.
Wanted to thank you again for making me love model railways again, just getting my layout up and running. 4 foot by 10 foot isn't the biggest space but I'm making the most of it and I've been loving every bit of it. Thank you!
As someone who does restore and repair a lot of locks and on occasion a kit I very much understand the emotions and frustrations you had during this repair.Well done for getting it running again and in the time limit.
hahaha thank you very much! Definitely wasn't expecting this one to run again... so rare to find a slipping tri-ang gear, so sods law I should find one while doing this ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Gotta say, I'm very impressed I thought this one goes to the Scrapman for sure but no, you even managed to save this abomination of a locomotive. I've built three locomotive kits in my life, two of them I got as a gift and one I've purchased and I said to myself never ever again. One of then runs poorly, one runs okay-ish and the latest one runs quite nice and I'm very proud of that. It was a Roundhouse kit in case you wonder of a 2-8-0 tender engine the others look and run quite poor. That's the thing with kit-built locomotives for me. I like painting and working on the body to make it look good but in this case it runs on a tried and tested chassis which makes it look quite easy. I really didn't expect you to get through this repair, Sam. Especially not withhin 22 minutes. Can't wait for the next episode 👍
Again great episode of Salvage or Scrap. Really didn't expect you to get that one done in the time. Nail biting! Now what would be quicker... trying to strip and repaint that horrific body or 3D printing a prettier replacement? Now there's an idea for another video!
I can’t help but picture every loco ever made having a personality (this chap is like Forkey from Toy Story 😂), thanks for giving them another lease on life m8
hahaha absolutely - I've often imagined the same thing!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have two of these engines, and am very fond of them! Given the model is now some 60 years old it is still a good model - basic but robust (the way I like them) Kits in those days were sold with the expectation that the purchaser was prepared to do a fair bit of extra work on them, and obviously didn't yet have the modern casting finesse which we now expect. Simple tip - immerse the body and tender in boiling caustic soda (the sort you use in the kitchen sink.) for half an hour - this will remove paint and old, old glue. Then rebuild and improve.
The Triang/Hornby chassis can be modified, cutting off the cast ballast lump ahead of the worm; the original kit did actually include a 'filler' segment for the boiler, for those who wanted to do it.
On a personal note, I prefer the Wills model to the Mainline one, whose wheels never looked quite the right diameter. And the Triang wheel/axle assemblies don't fall apart, like the Mainline plastic muffs. Each to his own, though. (Last time I was down at Bewdley, I found a 70 years old Ratio wooden GWR autocoach - just needed a little sprucing up. Bet you didn't know that Ration once made wooden kits? Some of those old models are still good. )
Immersing in boiling caustic soda is a bit prototypical. That's what used to happen to steam locomotive parts in the boshing plant at Swindon to get all the grit grime and effluent off. Mind you, I don't imagine they used the kitchen sink. Back in the 1960s there was a cast white metal GW autocoach kit. It was so heavy that the only loco I had that would haul it was the Farish 94xx and that was as much as even that would pull in one go.
@SamsTrains Here's why you should absolutely love kit-built locomotives. You bought it for £22, spent 22 minutes fixing it up, and sold it for $85. That's... £172/hr profit. Seriously though, to the right person, none of that poor assembly and paint matters. Paint stripper will take the paint off, and a quick oven bake will desolder the parts, allowing for reassembly and painting to a better standard.
I'm glad the thunderstorm went away before you uploaded this. Glad the engine is running again.
that GWR 2251 looks like something you could've used for a Martin Mart-Martinson video! I do hope whoever gets this model can improve the body.
Assuming this kit was glued together I would be inclined to immerse the body in hot water and pull it apart for a complete rebuild and paint strip. Remove the hand rails, fill holes and drill new one to put them in the right place. Then basically rebuild it.
I think the quality control on this is better than some manufacturers
Hah I love this, it reminds me of those fun TV shows I used to watch. He even added a commercial break at the 17 minute mark haha.
Another great episode Sam. Please take no offense, but I was pulling for the Scrapman on this one. I look forward to the next one. 😆
haha me too actually - I wouldn't have minded too much if this one got scrapped... but I'll take any victory I can get ;)
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That was a close call Sam, but you got there.....just. Well done!
Thank you so much!! :D
Imagine the builder of this kit watching this video... Quite strong words from Sam this time. 😆
To be fair they probably weren't massively proud of it 😂
haha yeah - I don't mean to be unkind - I've made some rubbish myself too! Then again, if they sold it off for £20 (or less realistically), they probably weren't too proud of it, like Kev said!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Truly ironic indeed when it comes to kit-built locos. Looking horrible from the outside, but able to run well after the repair challenge that even I thought would fail, but didn't. lol
Never judge a loco by its bodywork
Of all the things you could've used as an insulator, you went for the plastic Q-tip bag. Genius IQ move right there 😄
Might sound a bit odd but i quite like locos like that, they have a unique character in my opinion 😂
haha well that I certainly won't deny! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Amazing that you got the kit built locomotive running again, and with no time to spare. Looks like the Scrapman is going to go hungry for quite some time.
Thank you so much! haha he sure is if at all possible!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Happy To See This Loco Running Again.
Me too!! :D
Great video, I hate kits as well but trust me I've seen some a heck of a lot worse than that one!
Some super loud thunder over with me! Love this series Sam.
haha!! Thank you so much :D
How I got here from watching BBC2 idents, Ill never know. All I do know, is youve got a fan out of me
Looks like Martin Mart Martinson Models have some competition! 🤣
Indeed! Unless it's one of their older products?! 🤣
😂😂
That was brilliantly salvaged at the last there, Sam! I was sure Scrapman was in for a Collett Supper! 😅
Those old kits are quite charming when we’ll made but that paint job was something else! Reminded me of some of my efforts when I was about 7 🤔
Cheers mate, love this series 😎👍🍀🍻
Blimey @Sam’sTrains, I see someone paid £85! Not bad for 22 minutes of work 😉
Great job as usal on these repairs sam.
The legendary salvage or scrap is back!!
would you ever do a review of Bachmann's Collet Goods?
Wow I'm happy your still doing this series
By any chance was this one bought off of hattons? I stg ive seen this specific loco before on there.
This one really looked like it was heading to the scrap man… impressive how you pulled it out of the hat at the very last second.
Awesome video Sam's trains
There was sometimes shorting because of the metal body. One I did, I had to put insulation on one side to prevent shorting out.
I have a couple of kit built locos, you have to remember there were times in the early days these were the only offerings of that specific engine. I’m not rivet counter if it looks right it is
sam giving us the content we didn't even know we needed and killing it! :D
"There are two ways of doing things, the great western way or the wrong way"
I can say this is most definitely the Great Western way.
Realistically speaking, that painting style is something that you see with older models. Those that date from before air brushing was a cheap alternative. Some of Rev Awdry's models, if you ever look closely at them, have this same painting 'style'.
Damn a kit built loco getting a over haul
Sam: “What were they thinking using masking tape as an insulator!”
Also Sam: *uses a piece of a q-tip plastic bag as an insulator.*
New drinking game, every time you hear "I hate kit built...." another sip of cola or something stronger.
Love it new season here we go into the future of salvage or scrap!!
17:51 bloody hell its a collett rocket! that thing would be flying around someone's layout
That scrap man chills my marrow. Save all the trains. They don’t deserve HIM.
Even the Heljan 1361?
Yes, except the helljan tango
I enjoyed your bitterness towards this locomotive so much that I had to subscribe!!
NOT many people know about the glue bottle tap when done ! KUDOS !
Great vid Sam!
I thought for sure that Scrap Man was getting a feed. 😁
I was stressed just watching that vid. 😁
Regards, Jas.
VK4FJGS
Rocky Qld.
Thanks for making another salvage or scrap video!
You should sell those salvage or scrap t-shirts. I think they’d be popular. I’d certainly buy one!
If you scrap it what do you actually do to it? Down the waste disposal, electrical recycling at local depot or do you use the spare parts?
@SamsTrains. I absolutely love that the Salvage or Scrap series has come this far. I really do love it. I really need some of the tools that you have. for instance, I really need a re-magnetizer machine and a pinion/electric motor drive gear remover/puller. do you know where I can get these? Please let me know. Thank you so very much.
Kind regards and best wishes,
Dylan
Hi Sam I've just finished making my lnwr claughton class the large boiler verson using the bachmann patriot body. I'm still working on the 3D version, I'll keep you updated on that one
Cheers Jasper & Willow
That's fantastic - good luck wit hthe rest! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This should be an actual show on tv
Best episode so far, the stress you showed made it so tense. How can the other locos be as bad as this one? 😉
This episode was a miracle
Man I remember when I tried building an E2 from Wills 7 years ago and failed to do it.
I can’t believe it still work even with one screw not attached great job
I really was surprised when that thing sprung to life. I was so sure it was heading to the Scrapman.
I remember when you reviewed the 2251 Class back years ago! Seems like a long time! ;)
That loco is Helgen quality. Great job Sam
I thought that this locomotive would be scrapped Sam, but that's not happening today. Let's just hope that the next one will be saved.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
haha I thought it would be scrapped too, haha!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It would be nicexniw if you could do a full rebuild including sorting out the grab rails and a full paint strip.
Maybe it's just me, I might not be getting the right "read" here, but I got this weird vibe that maybe Sam doesn't like kit built Locos.
Agreed. He should stop sitting on the fence and say what he really thinks.
I do like kitbuilt models and I do have a few in my fleet, decent restoration Sam.
haha good ones can look lovely... but I rarely enjoy working on them!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It's just as good as a Airfix model when they brought out kit built locomotives and wagons.😅 I managed to make some.
Ahh awesome - those must have been great fun!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Wow! You did it Sam!
I had to stop after only a few minutes, as I was laughing so much at that shoddy build, I was crying. I love the paintwork - it looks like the paint was poured from the tin onto the model, and then vaguely smeared about with a brush for a bit. Awful.
As Vic Reeves would say:
"Very poor indeed, ladies and gentlemen. Very poor."
Very interesting video today Sam I really enjoy these videos
You should add Salvage or Scrap? shirts to your store...and those work mats
Very nicely done ✅ well done Sam
18:32 not today Scrapman, not today ;)
Very good job on the model you made it run like new
SMT Mainline did a restoration of a loco in a similar condition.
Close one, Sam! Now just get that paint stripped off! ;)
This week, on Salvage or Scrap, Sam has to repair a Kit build locomotive, can he do it, or will the locomotive be fed to the SCRAP MAN? Find out this week, on yet another exciting episode of Salvage or Scrap!
haha I love it! Awesome blurb! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Once again, the Evil Scrapman didn’t have his crispety crunchety clankety clunkity scrap sausages.
I wonder if you will one day deal with a diesel shunter that’s been broken in half, then welded in half and covered in vomit? Or maybe somebody who tried to do a custom/kit bashed Thomas model, but to no avail?
I hope that someone with the right cosmetic restoring skills wins the auction for this one. It's a little bit of history and deserves a good scrub up!
That would definitely be awesome to see - that's more than I have the patience to do!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
NO More Time-O Matic videos ! Your no time limit salvage had a LOTs more information. "Entertainment" is OK but No time outs !
Richard in Colorado, BIG Fan !
Listening to this while fixing your thomas trackmaster engines just hit different🔥🔥🚂
Also what is that music in the intro please im beggin😭😭
really thought Mr Scrapy was having lunch this time
Well done Sam. Although I would give it to the scrap man as a consultation prize. There is so much horrible about it that I would not want to own it. Apart from displaying it as how not to do it. That aside, I have never built a locomotive for a layout. I used to build the airfix model kits as static models , mainly planes and tanks, I did build a couple of the trains, as static models, one was good the other fair. But as a teenager many decades ago, they didn’t survive house moves etc, which is just as well. I know my limitations, and locomotive building is definitely not a good idea . But I take my hat off to you, and even to the person who built it, they had a go. Another one survivor. Maybe you should have a book of the good, bad and ugliest. Lol . Great video Sam. 🎉
It looks like you (or anything you left it near) might catch something from it.
Great work Sam ,pleased it was saved 😎😎.
Thanks so much Steve! :D
Yes more loco repair. Very nicey friend. Ur the best. Keep being awesome
These kits were crude in the first place. I think that they provided loco types that weren’t commercially available from the main manufacturers. I had a part built Keyser kit of a Black 5 given to me and it was glued together with epoxy. Superglue wasn’t available then. It was epoxy or low temp solder. In other words, a lot of faff! I didn’t bother with it and sold it on. Never touched these kits ever again. That one is the roughest I’ve ever seen!
You should have just chucked it in the bin. Even though you got it running. The thing looks so awful lol. But what is even more amazing. Is that the current highest bid is £72 lol.
You made it! Excellent work!
Thank you so much! :D
FUN. IMPRESSIVE. ENTERTAINING. EDUCATIONAL? (yup). And INTENSE.
BTW - maybe some "TV Game Show" type music to increase the tension. Just a thought.
Oh god, the paint.
People... THIN YOUR PAINTS!
Hi Sam, Nice one less in the bin the better, All the best Brian 😃
haha thanks Brian - appreciate it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I wonder whether the paint could be removed with meths and the loco repainted properly. I'd also remove the handrail and replace it, filling the old holes with something. Not sure what - they are small.
I really thought that the locomotive was going to go to the scrapman after seeing the mechanism
2nd old poorly painted kit with a painted motor that has been restored i have seen.
You should know what the mechanism of the little American 0-4-0 will be like, another person called SMT Mainline has already made a video on restoring a similar engine
I really hope whoever gets this loco is able to fix it up so it looks better.
That would be really cool to see! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It's out LADY'S AND GENTLEMEN THE 2ND EP IS OUT!!!
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Body needs stripping back to metal. A complete rebuild and a couple of hours are all you need 😂