The depth of this character despite not being a central role in the story is a testament to the quality of the writing. I can only hope we get more Andor-type stories and fewer Boba Fetts
@@Thareldis Tony Gilroy would need to think it was a story worth telling. It isn't. You can't just copy and paste the "Andor" blueprint onto another story. "Andor" is something ultra-special ... proper practical sets, and real locations. And a depth of writing that attracts the very best actors. The writing, by Tony Gilroy, is what makes it stand out. What warped imagination could create that Imperial prison factory and its horrendous regime? You can't hand that off to jobbing writers - themselves a part of a Hollywood regime that demands they churn out dozens of pages on time, or be fired (fried) Only a unique, extremely talented writer, allowed to fulfill his vision, can hope to achieve this level. I'm still amazed how this got made by the very evil empire I'm talking about, Disney! Maybe there's a Mon Mothma in Disney that greenlit the project.
I know what you mean. On one hand, he's a role model for leadership and it can be fascinating to watch someone reasonable and competent getting things done. But then you have to remember that what he's doing is furthering the goals of an oppressive authoritarian regime.
Space Gestapo is an understatement, the ISB controls everything halfway through Andor. They're closer to the CIA if anything. It's the ones behind the desks who are always stronger over the ones with a weapon.
I loved how human Partagaz is. He's not moustache twirlingly evil, just a guy who wants to do his job, and is relatively warm and fatherly towards Dedra when he realises she's not just another 'Yes Man'.
I actually really enjoyed all of these ISB scenes. Find myself routing for them to solve the galaxy's issues through covert actions. It's very interesting
I thin the actress said that we were initially supposed to root for her as this woman in a man's world, but then realize that she's also a fascist in a world of fascists and power can corrupt women just as much as men.
@@StraightOtohGunga as usual. This lady won an Olivier Award for her stage performances (until now, her chosen place to act ... but she's going to be swamped with TV and film gigs now, that's for sure) But I only watched Andor because I played one of the greatest computer games ever, Witcher 3, and she stars as Yennefer of Vengerburg, the main female character - a magician who is a bossy-boots with a heart of gold. So when I heard she was in Andor, I knew I had to check it out - even though she wasn't in it until episode 3 ["It will probably look nice, but this is 2 episodes of Disney Star Wars I'll have to get through before I get to see Denise on a screen for the very first time! ... (little did I know that those first two episodes were going to be awesome as well!)]
I would love to see that chaos of them disbanding the imperial senate, from riots on the streets to the isb just doing damage control up until the death stars destruction
Partigaz to Dedra in episode 4.. "On a positive note, I was impressed with your detention numbers from Sev Tok. Far above the quota. I may be sending more of that work your way". And, "You came to us from enforcement". Way back in episode 4 Major Partigaz was telling us that the empire were dragging people off the streets for their "prisons ".
He's better in many ways than Keeper. While one of the better Charakters in one of the best storylines, Makor Partagaz is so far written even better in his few scenes.
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 I think it will ultimately help her because it does kind of show just how bad the "disease" of the rebellion is it just hasn't been brought to light yet.
Here in the U.K. Anton Lessor is one of those actors that when the crop up on the screen you go..’Oh good, there’s Anton Lessor, I’m going to enjoy this’... plus he has a voice like warm maple syrup on the ear... if that’s actually a thing..? If you like his performance here check him out as Sir Thomas Moore in the TV adaptation of Hilary Mantle’s Wolf Hall... another sleek but sinister personality...
Dedra Meero's character should be expanded to fill in the role of Ysanne Isard in legends. Take over ISB after the fall of Palp and command a sector which could be a setting for future stories; but they will probably just kill her off in season 2 because we cannot have long term imperial characters.
@@peterbrazukas7771 A big success can cover for those failures, and there's plenty of time for her to make up for them. Besides, her subordinates escalated the situation on Ferrix; she can always point out that her plan was sound, and might have worked well. Andor could have been caught, had Dedra's imbecile commandant on Ferrix not poured gasoline on the raging fire that was the locals by pissing on the funeral of a very respected member of their community.
I think Major Partagaz is a fascinating character, the likes of which we need more in the Empire, as opposed to the stupidly evil ones. I think he's going to stick his neck out for Dedra is Season Two, which might end up costing him because he had been careful so far to avoid taking a clear side. He's very much aware that half of his office is full of imbeciles who just happen to have connections within the Empire, so people like Dedra are all the more important and despite the debacle of Ferrix, she's yielded better results alone while having to fight Blevin than anyone else put together. And I think that the reports will make it clear to Partagaz just how volatile the situation was on Ferrix. It was a time-bomb, Maarva's funeral was the fuse, and Dedra was unfortunate to step in just at the wrong time. If someone is going to take flak for the Events of Rix Road, it's going to be Captain Tigo, the Prefect. The latter was put in place by Blevin, which is undoubtedly going to use the incident to get back at Dedra, but he'd be wise not to underestimate his part in said debacle.
He does it with everyone too. Even Blevins. Make your argument. Who ever makes the best one wins. State your case, use logic. If you lose that doesn't mean you're done. Do better next time. You end up rooting for Dedra because she is right even though we know she is the bad guy. She is making sense. Yes, it will be interesting to see what happens to her. She still wasn't wrong really, the other people didn't listen to her and things went the way they did.
Another view of this situation is how well Luthen manipulated this exact scenario. Thanks to his mole in the ISB, he knows how the sectors are divided and how competitive the ISB are. Luther and other rebels are able to use this to their advantage. Yet another reason why Andor is the smartest Star Wars show. The exact same thing happened with Ed Kemper the 70s serial killer.
The incredible depth of this review is a testament to how well this is written. You can tell the crew went molecular to write these characters so being intricately connected
@@conalkeaveney9314I mean he did just not directly. He was the mastermind behind Aldani which inspired Marva to speak up. His fingers are in all the pies
ALL characters in Andor are amazingly written and acted. this is the standard we should all be demanding from a franchise with massive financial backing and cultural relevance.
I am not going to lie I was totally blown away by how good Andor was. After being greatly disappointed by BoBF and Kinobe, I did not bother to watch this series because this character unfortunately is dead, but I should have opened my mind because Rouge 1 was fantastic. Even though I knew in the end all would fall it was a great precursor to the beginning of SW. Also, the Critical Drinker admitted how wrong he was about how he thought this series was going to turn out and that pretty much sealed the deal for me. I have become invested in all these characters which is the sign of excellent writing something Disney and HW seem to have forgotten.
I don't see Partagaz as disapproving of the Imperial system, quite the opposite, he helped design the system. He's behaving very much like the old Sith Empire's Ministry of Intelligence's Keepers did--manipulating through a slow game of chess rather than force and intimidation. Indeed if you look back to a time where there were multiple Sith on the field instead of just a handful, there were often very successful Sith who operated like Partagaz--methodically, intelligently, and without overt signs of the Dark Side similar to how Darth Acina took the throne after Vitiate disappeared, or indeed even how Palpatine behaved prior to his coup. In other words, Partagaz is operating in as legitimately Sith a way as any other aspect of Palpatine's Empire.
The casting of this show is terrific, they especially nailed the casting of the imperial characters. Dedra, Syril and Partagaz are just perfect for their roles. When I saw that they had cast Anton Lesser (Qyburn in game of thrones) in Andor I knew I had to watch the show.
Anton Lesser made Partagaz what he is, his performance is almost a carbon copy of his portrayal of Chief Bright from the British TV show Endeavour (you havr watch every episode to see the nuanced development).
Now I want to see what would happen if Partagaz were to to take Wednesday under his wing. (Sorry, I couldn’t resist world-crossing) I mean, I hear Nevermore Academy’s got some openings next season.😂
Absolutely fantastic analysis, the series and the stuff that comes after, like the in depth analysis that you do, damn,it drags me in soooo much! Awesome stuff,love it 👏👏👏
What you describe sounds a lot like what is called 'silo-ing' in the real world intelligence community, where different branches might have the same or different information but no one is sharing so there is redundancy, competition, and turf wars. The term is 'information silo'.
I thought one of the primary purposes of information silos is to be better able to track leaks. If the Intel in each silo is slightly different, it is easier pin down a mole.
@@aawillma Information Silos are more for preventing leaks in the first place rather than detecting leaks. The fewer people who know a secret, the less likely it will be shared. However, tearing down information silo's is extremely important for tackling larger problems. For example, You hear a lot about serial killers from the 60's and 70's, but you don't hear about a lot of serial killers into the 80's and later. It's because there were a lot of reforms in law enforcement to better share information across jurisdictions, leading to would be serial killers being caught a lot sooner. Tearing down the silos can also help with resource management, instead of 3 teams from 3 agencies chasing the same info and getting in each others way, they could be sharing resources and chasing down different parts together. Or even worse, they all just have a petty piece of information not worth acting on.
@@aawillma Silo-ing is an excellent way to control the flow of information and it is also an excellent way to strategically control when to release which leaks to the press, among other uses.
I never EVER comment on your vids, but you have simply incredible insight of analysis. Thanks for everything you do to contribute to the George Lucas universe!
Thrawn enters the chatroom Thrawn: Eli vanto , Gilad Pellion see what this video is about , i feel something lacking more like someone's missing from it (Inhales and exhales in art ) Thrawn left the chatroom to the Xenobiology chat
@@jacobdreilinger2508 thrawn has his own principles. Not to mention being a Chiss, he's more capable of handling the burden of both office work and real time combat. Not something everyone could or remotely want to do.
He’s obviously deeply immersed in the Star Wars universe. There are too many books, video games, animated series, etc. for us average commoners here in the Outer Rim to digest. I’m amazed at and appreciate all the content he keeps pumping out.
I think of the Ferrix Incident as a successful failure for Dedra. Sure, the incident was a failure, but it proved her correct in most, if not all, of her assumptions regarding The Rebellion.
@@RorikH It started as a grassroots uprising, but what she noticed was that someone (namely Luthen) was organizing it and that the uprisings were growing. She had underestimated Ferrix and screwed up there, but she did confirm a lot of things. It was certainly enough of a screw up to be a major setback, possibly getting her fired, or demoted; even a reasonable organization would have a hard time forgiving that much stupidity and The Empire is anything but reasonable and forgiving. But it did confirm her theory and uncover enough evidence to potentially prove it.
@@RorikH Unfortunately, I agree with you. No Cassian, no Luthen. She didn't even have the luck to sus out and catch Val or Cinta. It wasn't entirely her fault. Some of the things that happened she couldn't have anticipated, like Cinta being there to kill her spy, or the tunnel under the hotel, or Maarva's inciteful speech. But she also failed to anticipate the consequences of letting the Prefect hang a guy and double-down on his show of force. Rix Road was a powder keg waiting to blow, and she got nothing out of it. She probably never found out for sure if Cassian ever came back to Ferrix or not.
Question is whether she gets thrown under the bus for it. Partagaz recognized that she wants to get ahead by being good at her job, instead of getting ahead by making others look worse. Her colleagues seem to be more of the latter.
@@mitchellhayward6492 Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if she's out of the ISB altogether. The only thing that could save her is the proof of an actual organized rebellion. There will be consequences regardless. Most successful failures are still failures. Nevertheless, she did prove that all her dissenting colleagues were wrong about the locality of the rebel groups. She could save her career - barely - by playing only-one-to-spot-it card.
I hope they have some of these ISB folks like Blevin assigned to the Death Star. Maybe it was Blevin’s failed interrogation of Leia instead of Deidra using the headphone things.
Partagaz is the kind of the leader the Empire needed more of; a smart guy just wanting to get on with the job, acknowledging the inevitable political infighting but not relishing it. In one of the Thrawn novels when it looks like Thrawn might get thrown out of the Imperial Navy, Colonel Yularen tells him he'd always be welcome in the ISB. I can imagine Thrawn would've aced a job like this. He'd have recognized a kindred spirit in Dedra and made efforts to reshape the ISB to give preference to straight shooters like her instead of sycophants and social climbers.
You missed her response to his warning. He told her to watch her back. Did you notice Partagaze reaction to her assistant injecting his perspective during the brief.
I wish there had been another woman in the ISB meetings because I thought the major was referring to her being a woman, not coming from law enforcement. Thanks for clarifying. Speaking of the Aldani raid - since it could be seen as an event that inspires more resistance activity, why wasn't it kept quiet by the empire?
Dedra Meero -> Major Partagaz -> Colonel Wullf Yularen -> Emperor Palpatine. btw Colonel Yularen is the officer in the white uniform in the 1977 A New Hope scene where Lord Vader force chokes Admiral Motti.
I'm betting that by the end of Season 2, Yularen will have brought both Dedra and Syril onto the Death Star with him, and both of them will be thrilled.
Dedra didn't come from Law Enforcement (like police or whatever), prior to her supervisor position she served in the Enforcement department of the ISB, which was a department of special operations units that backed up other ISB agents in the field.
Conversely (using the patriot Act reference), had the US been permitted to share information prior to 9-11 (prevented by Bush's predecessor Clinton), instead of later, there would have been no 9-11. This would have meant 3,000 Americans would still be alive and we would not have been involved in the costly wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, spending our time and money instead (hopefully) on something better. So, sharing information can be a double edged sword. It's a choice of individual protections vs. national protection. Which do you chose and under what circumstances? Tough call.
Here is a question . If Revan somehow ends up during the Clone Wars which side do you think they would join ? On one hand we have the Jedi and the Republic but they are using essentially a slave army, refusing almost all offers of peace negotiations and throng to force planets to stay in the Republic by force . On the other hand we have the CSI which is headed by corporate scum but does have plenty of innocent people who just want freedom, justice and safety . And on a more ruthless practical side it would be much easier for Revan to take control if he just murders Dooku
Good analysis. Partagaz has stuck his neck out beside Dedra. If he still sees that she's a good investigator, it's very likely he'll continue to use her to ride both of them through this trial, rather than throw her to the Wullf, so to speak. It's my prediction that by way of Partagaz, Debra will wind up being recognized by Yularen and will accompany him to a position aboard the Death Star.
I missed that the high-ranking ISB dude was Wullf Yularen. He always caught my as a kid in the Death Star meeting room because of his white uniform. Oh well, he gets blown up real good along with his fellow space fascists.
It would have been hilarious if Meero approached Blevin with an offer to ‘give him’ Andor in return for sharing the information she needed. Blevin would have jumped at the opportunity to be the one to take down that big target and get the spoils, and would have lined himself up for a huge downfall. But we all know in the narrative that they could not have predicted the outcome of the funeral riot, which is what made this show so good.
Not gonna lie I really wanna know what Partagaz did before he was made the head of ISB. Was he working for Republic intelligence? Was he a mere military man? How did someone competent rise to his position I wonder?
I doubt this was palpatine's doing. I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually Mas Amedda's decision because the Emperor himself couldn't care less, as we saw in the Tarkin novel, when a similar r. Only Tarkin would be able to convince Palps to do something like this, and the ISB literally spied on Tarkin in Episode 4 with all of those protocol droids and ISB officers we see walking around, so I doubt it was him.
I believe Meero is neuro-divergent. Possibly a form of ADHD. She's able to hyperfixate on things she's extremely interested in, almost to the exclusion of all else. She's also clearly seen taking some kind of 'on demand' stimulant medication when she pulls and all-nighter with her assistant "two files each?" when accessing data behind the ISB's back. I think this is also why she'll connect more with Syril, as he's is also obsessive, possibly on the ASD spectrum.
He's not the leader of the Imperial Navy. The ISB is not the navy. He served in the Navy during the Clone Wars, but at some point between then and now, he transferred to the ISB and rose to the rank of colonel. I believe Motti was the one in charge of the Imperial Navy.
@@jameshanlon5689 he’s basically Palpatines contact within the ISB which means that any new thing that happens instead of telling them directly he will tell Yularen and then he will tell the other members of the ISB. He’s also most likely responsible for training almost everyone in that room.
i think they are going to blame that one officer that got threw the jacket on the holo/droid...he is gonna be the fall guy. i think they are going to chastise her for her command of troopers, but praise her because for her investigative skills as she was right about everything....the "organized" riot as proof. i think they are going to give her a second that will be able to direct the action on the ground better than she can.
I see this. The only part that didn't work during the riot was Dedra walking into the crowd with her blaster drawn as if she were military... That's BS! She should have assessed the situation from the balcony like an officer and adjusted. Stayed back as the advisor she was. Seriously, an FBI analyst wont be firing shots in the crowd once it becomes an active riot.
@@waltciii3 Television and movies _constantly_ put FBI and CIA desk analysts out into the field (did Tom Clancy start that trend with Jack Ryan?), which would never, ever happen in real life. In Dedra's case, however, she just happened to be on the street pursuing her particular mission of locating Andor when all hell broke out around her. She was more shooting her way out than shooting her way in.
Since the 80s ive always been of the opinion that Palpatine is just spitting bs when he talks about his powers of clairvoyance. Sure, like alot of potent force practitioners he can glimpse flashes of the future, but i think he plays up his abilities in that department to make him seem insurmountable to his foes. Otherwise theres no way he'd have missed the destruction of either Death Star or his own apprentice turning on him
There was always going to be rebellion, and he was aware of that. Any smart leader expects a threat to their regime, whether it's external or internal. That's exactly what the ISB and the Death Star were for. There were even rebellions against the Republic. Palpatine did not directly interfere until Return of the Jedi because he figured his underlings like Vader, his Navy, his Army, his legions of Stormtroopers, and his Imperial Security Bureau and Intelligence Agency could find, snuff out, or defeat any rebellion. But make no mistake. For 19 years, they were pretty successful. Palpatine did not directly involve himself until Return of the Jedi because they had finally done enough damage to piss him off and decide to handle it himself. Even then, he flatout calls the Rebels "insignificant" to Luke's face, even calling them a "pitiful little band". His plan for Endor would have worked. He had a trap set for the Rebel Fleet in space and a trap for the Rebel Strike Team on the ground. He could not have anticipated that the Rebels would meet the Ewoks, communicate with them, ally with them, and then that the Ewoks would ambush his ground troops when his trap was sprung. The real question is: Why did the Rebel Strike Team take a translator droid on a dangerous hit-and-run bombing mission?
Fascist organizations ultimately defeat themselves. Dedra Meero, an intelligent and competent officer, still gets thwarted by an organization more concerned about Palpatine than following through on strategy.
Her failure was Ferrix. She got what she wanted in preparation for the funeral. A lot of things that went wrong did go wrong because of circumstances that she could not have predicted, like Cinta being there to spy on them and kill her own spy, Maarva's inciteful speech, and the tunnel under the hotel that Cassian used to sneak around. Kreegyr's death was unrelated to the Ferrix incident. But I agree that taking him alive would have provided a spare lead to Luthen.
@@mitchellhayward6492 Ferrix was 100% her own failure and shows that while she is a great analyst, she is a terrible people leader. She kept Blevin's people in place and gave them free reign of the planet because she was so focused on her Axis Hunt. She knew that greater oppression was playing into the rebel's plans but she allowed it to happen. She had intel that should have told her that Ferrix was a powder keg and ignored it. Like Andor said, She was too complacent to imagine a funeral of a prominent citizen could spark rebellion.
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The depth of this character despite not being a central role in the story is a testament to the quality of the writing. I can only hope we get more Andor-type stories and fewer Boba Fetts
Yep. More of something new and less of 'Hey, it's ___! Now clap and cheer.'
Imagine Boba Fett's story told in the style of Andor.
@@Thareldis I wish we got it..
Hopefully they take on board the criticism it got and take Boba fett back to be more brutal and keep his helmet on...
@@Thareldis Tony Gilroy would need to think it was a story worth telling. It isn't.
You can't just copy and paste the "Andor" blueprint onto another story.
"Andor" is something ultra-special ... proper practical sets, and real locations. And a depth of writing that attracts the very best actors.
The writing, by Tony Gilroy, is what makes it stand out.
What warped imagination could create that Imperial prison factory and its horrendous regime?
You can't hand that off to jobbing writers - themselves a part of a Hollywood regime that demands they churn out dozens of pages on time, or be fired (fried)
Only a unique, extremely talented writer, allowed to fulfill his vision, can hope to achieve this level.
I'm still amazed how this got made by the very evil empire I'm talking about, Disney!
Maybe there's a Mon Mothma in Disney that greenlit the project.
@@jazzx251 If only there was a Mon Mothma in Illumination when they made The Lorax…
He's like that one teacher we all know. Always encouraging us to have an input but always moving the class forward to the objectives of the lesson.
Never met a teacher like that
..and, the ability to recognize potential in us that even we are not aware of yet..
@@chong2389 "I like to think I see things in people." _Poisons a child_
@@hiddenleafshinobi2608 I've met several.
Thesis, please?
Despite being part of the Space Gestapo, he’s the kind of dude I’d love to work for.
I know what you mean. On one hand, he's a role model for leadership and it can be fascinating to watch someone reasonable and competent getting things done. But then you have to remember that what he's doing is furthering the goals of an oppressive authoritarian regime.
@@flaminyawn lol true
Good thing it’s fiction
@@shawngiver5570 "Fiction"
Space Gestapo is an understatement, the ISB controls everything halfway through Andor. They're closer to the CIA if anything. It's the ones behind the desks who are always stronger over the ones with a weapon.
I loved how human Partagaz is. He's not moustache twirlingly evil, just a guy who wants to do his job, and is relatively warm and fatherly towards Dedra when he realises she's not just another 'Yes Man'.
I actually really enjoyed all of these ISB scenes. Find myself routing for them to solve the galaxy's issues through covert actions. It's very interesting
I thin the actress said that we were initially supposed to root for her as this woman in a man's world, but then realize that she's also a fascist in a world of fascists and power can corrupt women just as much as men.
@@RorikH It certainly worked and is some great acting on Denise's part.
@@StraightOtohGunga as usual.
This lady won an Olivier Award for her stage performances (until now, her chosen place to act ... but she's going to be swamped with TV and film gigs now, that's for sure)
But I only watched Andor because I played one of the greatest computer games ever, Witcher 3, and she stars as Yennefer of Vengerburg, the main female character - a magician who is a bossy-boots with a heart of gold.
So when I heard she was in Andor, I knew I had to check it out - even though she wasn't in it until episode 3 ["It will probably look nice, but this is 2 episodes of Disney Star Wars I'll have to get through before I get to see Denise on a screen for the very first time! ... (little did I know that those first two episodes were going to be awesome as well!)]
I'd like a series that is just Major Patargaz and him managing all these inter-office politics.
That would be dope 🔥
Like a cleaned up Imperial "Hill Street Blues"
I would love to see that chaos of them disbanding the imperial senate, from riots on the streets to the isb just doing damage control up until the death stars destruction
Partigaz to Dedra in episode 4..
"On a positive note, I was impressed with your detention numbers from Sev Tok. Far above the quota. I may be sending more of that work your way".
And,
"You came to us from enforcement".
Way back in episode 4 Major Partigaz was telling us that the empire were dragging people off the streets for their "prisons ".
He's like the spymaster for the Imperial Agent story in SWTOR. Love him!
Keeper. Yes.
He's better in many ways than Keeper. While one of the better Charakters in one of the best storylines, Makor Partagaz is so far written even better in his few scenes.
Partagaz never sold you out to be brainwashed LOL.
Dedra Meero is one of the best imperial characters
And one of the most intelligent.
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 not that high of an accomplishment unfortunately
@@hydra9476 in other words her plan seriously backfired.
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 I think it will ultimately help her because it does kind of show just how bad the "disease" of the rebellion is it just hasn't been brought to light yet.
@@BadwolfRuin she learned or will learn that underestimating your enemy is a deadly weakness.
Partagaz was the Obi-Wan of the ISB. Being a good mentor while keeping his men on his feet.
Here in the U.K. Anton Lessor is one of those actors that when the crop up on the screen you go..’Oh good, there’s Anton Lessor, I’m going to enjoy this’... plus he has a voice like warm maple syrup on the ear... if that’s actually a thing..? If you like his performance here check him out as Sir Thomas Moore in the TV adaptation of Hilary Mantle’s Wolf Hall... another sleek but sinister personality...
A lot of British actors or those who went in British acting schools are excellent
Hi greetings from mexico.
That series was stacked! pure talent.
i have watched that one the same times i have watched hbo's rome
I'd work for this man. I'd constantly be pushing the boundries of my work, and doing my best to impress him in the meantime.
Dedra Meero's character should be expanded to fill in the role of Ysanne Isard in legends. Take over ISB after the fall of Palp and command a sector which could be a setting for future stories; but they will probably just kill her off in season 2 because we cannot have long term imperial characters.
Do we know who was the director of ISB after Yularen died?
@@jirdan4870I think it was Admiral Versio but I might be wrong
They should assign her a post on the first Death Star
Meero is going to take a LOT of flak for the disaster on Ferrix. I'd love to see her expanded, but she'll have to pay for that mistake first.
@@peterbrazukas7771 A big success can cover for those failures, and there's plenty of time for her to make up for them. Besides, her subordinates escalated the situation on Ferrix; she can always point out that her plan was sound, and might have worked well. Andor could have been caught, had Dedra's imbecile commandant on Ferrix not poured gasoline on the raging fire that was the locals by pissing on the funeral of a very respected member of their community.
I think Major Partagaz is a fascinating character, the likes of which we need more in the Empire, as opposed to the stupidly evil ones. I think he's going to stick his neck out for Dedra is Season Two, which might end up costing him because he had been careful so far to avoid taking a clear side.
He's very much aware that half of his office is full of imbeciles who just happen to have connections within the Empire, so people like Dedra are all the more important and despite the debacle of Ferrix, she's yielded better results alone while having to fight Blevin than anyone else put together.
And I think that the reports will make it clear to Partagaz just how volatile the situation was on Ferrix. It was a time-bomb, Maarva's funeral was the fuse, and Dedra was unfortunate to step in just at the wrong time.
If someone is going to take flak for the Events of Rix Road, it's going to be Captain Tigo, the Prefect. The latter was put in place by Blevin, which is undoubtedly going to use the incident to get back at Dedra, but he'd be wise not to underestimate his part in said debacle.
I agree with all that. And I'm also pretty sure that the Prefect will take the fall.
He does it with everyone too. Even Blevins.
Make your argument. Who ever makes the best one wins. State your case, use logic. If you lose that doesn't mean you're done. Do better next time.
You end up rooting for Dedra because she is right even though we know she is the bad guy. She is making sense.
Yes, it will be interesting to see what happens to her. She still wasn't wrong really, the other people didn't listen to her and things went the way they did.
Another view of this situation is how well Luthen manipulated this exact scenario. Thanks to his mole in the ISB, he knows how the sectors are divided and how competitive the ISB are. Luther and other rebels are able to use this to their advantage. Yet another reason why Andor is the smartest Star Wars show. The exact same thing happened with Ed Kemper the 70s serial killer.
The incredible depth of this review is a testament to how well this is written. You can tell the crew went molecular to write these characters so being intricately connected
I feel that the way the operation went down in Ferrix will actually give her more credit that Axis is much more dangerous then they first believed.
Ironic because Axis didn't actually do anything on Ferrix
@@conalkeaveney9314I mean he did just not directly. He was the mastermind behind Aldani which inspired Marva to speak up. His fingers are in all the pies
This show is my absolute favorite Star Wars property.
ALL characters in Andor are amazingly written and acted. this is the standard we should all be demanding from a franchise with massive financial backing and cultural relevance.
But will people watch?
Master splinter: "competition is an excellent motivator but not when it turns you against each other."
Mearo is my fav character and that's high praise for this fantastic show full of amazing characters and performances
I am not going to lie I was totally blown away by how good Andor was. After being greatly disappointed by BoBF and Kinobe, I did not bother to watch this series because this character unfortunately is dead, but I should have opened my mind because Rouge 1 was fantastic. Even though I knew in the end all would fall it was a great precursor to the beginning of SW. Also, the Critical Drinker admitted how wrong he was about how he thought this series was going to turn out and that pretty much sealed the deal for me. I have become invested in all these characters which is the sign of excellent writing something Disney and HW seem to have forgotten.
Funny the Critical Drinker was also for me one of the reasons i gave Andor a chance
Part of me believes Palpatine was looking for an excuse to implement the (I forget what it’s called) emergency measures act
He absolutely was.
I don't see Partagaz as disapproving of the Imperial system, quite the opposite, he helped design the system. He's behaving very much like the old Sith Empire's Ministry of Intelligence's Keepers did--manipulating through a slow game of chess rather than force and intimidation. Indeed if you look back to a time where there were multiple Sith on the field instead of just a handful, there were often very successful Sith who operated like Partagaz--methodically, intelligently, and without overt signs of the Dark Side similar to how Darth Acina took the throne after Vitiate disappeared, or indeed even how Palpatine behaved prior to his coup.
In other words, Partagaz is operating in as legitimately Sith a way as any other aspect of Palpatine's Empire.
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The writing of Andor is truly stunning. Excellent analysis.
Great characters in Andor. Totally unlike all other Disney SW products. Thank god for that.
I liked how he tells Dedra to "watch your back" as he walks away.
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The casting of this show is terrific, they especially nailed the casting of the imperial characters. Dedra, Syril and Partagaz are just perfect for their roles. When I saw that they had cast Anton Lesser (Qyburn in game of thrones) in Andor I knew I had to watch the show.
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Brilliant analysis and summation.
If I was in the Star Wars universe, I’d be an an amazing ISB officer. Dedra is my favorite. Driven intelligent and ruthless
Maybe Dedra will fall in with Thrawn. That would be interesting to see
Anton Lesser made Partagaz what he is, his performance is almost a carbon copy of his portrayal of Chief Bright from the British TV show Endeavour (you havr watch every episode to see the nuanced development).
Now I want to see what would happen if Partagaz were to to take Wednesday under his wing. (Sorry, I couldn’t resist world-crossing)
I mean, I hear Nevermore Academy’s got some openings next season.😂
Ohhhh that'd be lovely. He'd be a great principal.
@@steelresilience I didn’t realize until now how Wednesday is like a comedic version of Dedra in a lot of ways.
Absolutely fantastic analysis, the series and the stuff that comes after, like the in depth analysis that you do, damn,it drags me in soooo much! Awesome stuff,love it 👏👏👏
Well, the way he tricked one cell was great.
What you describe sounds a lot like what is called 'silo-ing' in the real world intelligence community, where different branches might have the same or different information but no one is sharing so there is redundancy, competition, and turf wars. The term is 'information silo'.
I thought one of the primary purposes of information silos is to be better able to track leaks. If the Intel in each silo is slightly different, it is easier pin down a mole.
@@aawillma Information Silos are more for preventing leaks in the first place rather than detecting leaks. The fewer people who know a secret, the less likely it will be shared. However, tearing down information silo's is extremely important for tackling larger problems. For example, You hear a lot about serial killers from the 60's and 70's, but you don't hear about a lot of serial killers into the 80's and later. It's because there were a lot of reforms in law enforcement to better share information across jurisdictions, leading to would be serial killers being caught a lot sooner. Tearing down the silos can also help with resource management, instead of 3 teams from 3 agencies chasing the same info and getting in each others way, they could be sharing resources and chasing down different parts together. Or even worse, they all just have a petty piece of information not worth acting on.
@@aawillma Silo-ing is an excellent way to control the flow of information and it is also an excellent way to strategically control when to release which leaks to the press, among other uses.
I never EVER comment on your vids, but you have simply incredible insight of analysis. Thanks for everything you do to contribute to the George Lucas universe!
Great job in your analysis of Partagaz
Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please
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Thrawn: Eli vanto , Gilad Pellion see what this video is about , i feel something lacking more like someone's missing from it
(Inhales and exhales in art )
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Very well done.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The other thing that Deedra Mera and other ISB agents need to do in season 2 is hit the range and the dojo so they can actually learn to fight.
Waste of time. They’re not there to do the work, they’re there to understand what’s going on so that those doing the work aren’t wasting their time.
@@Justanotherconsumer thrawn did MMA
@@jacobdreilinger2508 thrawn has his own principles. Not to mention being a Chiss, he's more capable of handling the burden of both office work and real time combat. Not something everyone could or remotely want to do.
I would love to have him as my manager.
How do you do this? How do you know all this? Where does this come from? You are the man!
He’s obviously deeply immersed in the Star Wars universe. There are too many books, video games, animated series, etc. for us average commoners here in the Outer Rim to digest.
I’m amazed at and appreciate all the content he keeps pumping out.
nice and very detailed breakdown, so many video essays these days are just summaries
Such good writing
I think of the Ferrix Incident as a successful failure for Dedra. Sure, the incident was a failure, but it proved her correct in most, if not all, of her assumptions regarding The Rebellion.
Did it? It was mostly a grassroots uprising while she was looking for one central figure who never even showed up.
@@RorikH It started as a grassroots uprising, but what she noticed was that someone (namely Luthen) was organizing it and that the uprisings were growing. She had underestimated Ferrix and screwed up there, but she did confirm a lot of things. It was certainly enough of a screw up to be a major setback, possibly getting her fired, or demoted; even a reasonable organization would have a hard time forgiving that much stupidity and The Empire is anything but reasonable and forgiving. But it did confirm her theory and uncover enough evidence to potentially prove it.
@@RorikH Unfortunately, I agree with you. No Cassian, no Luthen. She didn't even have the luck to sus out and catch Val or Cinta.
It wasn't entirely her fault. Some of the things that happened she couldn't have anticipated, like Cinta being there to kill her spy, or the tunnel under the hotel, or Maarva's inciteful speech. But she also failed to anticipate the consequences of letting the Prefect hang a guy and double-down on his show of force. Rix Road was a powder keg waiting to blow, and she got nothing out of it. She probably never found out for sure if Cassian ever came back to Ferrix or not.
Question is whether she gets thrown under the bus for it.
Partagaz recognized that she wants to get ahead by being good at her job, instead of getting ahead by making others look worse.
Her colleagues seem to be more of the latter.
@@mitchellhayward6492 Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if she's out of the ISB altogether. The only thing that could save her is the proof of an actual organized rebellion. There will be consequences regardless.
Most successful failures are still failures. Nevertheless, she did prove that all her dissenting colleagues were wrong about the locality of the rebel groups. She could save her career - barely - by playing only-one-to-spot-it card.
Andor best show ever
Nice video. Subtitles won the day: "Party gas" "part of guys" "dead Romero" Lovely names!
I wonder if Partagaz will have a "I'm am your father" moment
I hope they have some of these ISB folks like Blevin assigned to the Death Star. Maybe it was Blevin’s failed interrogation of Leia instead of Deidra using the headphone things.
Partagaz is the kind of the leader the Empire needed more of; a smart guy just wanting to get on with the job, acknowledging the inevitable political infighting but not relishing it. In one of the Thrawn novels when it looks like Thrawn might get thrown out of the Imperial Navy, Colonel Yularen tells him he'd always be welcome in the ISB. I can imagine Thrawn would've aced a job like this. He'd have recognized a kindred spirit in Dedra and made efforts to reshape the ISB to give preference to straight shooters like her instead of sycophants and social climbers.
The march of the jack boots
Top notch analysis great vid
So good. Complete opposite of the garbage we were given by the spoiled children that made Kenobi.
After the heist ISB has been lifted to something like the Imperial Inquisition from WH40k. Both answer directly to the Emperor after all.
You missed her response to his warning. He told her to watch her back. Did you notice Partagaze reaction to her assistant injecting his perspective during the brief.
Anton Lesser looks like and acts like a combination of Ian Mcdiarmid and Jim Broadbent
I would like to see CompForce in the new cannon.
I wish there had been another woman in the ISB meetings because I thought the major was referring to her being a woman, not coming from law enforcement. Thanks for clarifying.
Speaking of the Aldani raid - since it could be seen as an event that inspires more resistance activity, why wasn't it kept quiet by the empire?
Dedra Meero -> Major Partagaz -> Colonel Wullf Yularen -> Emperor Palpatine.
btw Colonel Yularen is the officer in the white uniform in the 1977 A New Hope scene where Lord Vader force chokes Admiral Motti.
I'm betting that by the end of Season 2, Yularen will have brought both Dedra and Syril onto the Death Star with him, and both of them will be thrilled.
Dedra didn't come from Law Enforcement (like police or whatever), prior to her supervisor position she served in the Enforcement department of the ISB, which was a department of special operations units that backed up other ISB agents in the field.
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Wait! Andor will get second season?! How did you know that?
It was announced months ago
@@felicitys3621 Thanks for telling me that! This is because I barely follow the news about series and media, of course.
@@lerneanlion But yet here you are...
Conversely (using the patriot Act reference), had the US been permitted to share information prior to 9-11 (prevented by Bush's predecessor Clinton), instead of later, there would have been no 9-11. This would have meant 3,000 Americans would still be alive and we would not have been involved in the costly wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, spending our time and money instead (hopefully) on something better. So, sharing information can be a double edged sword. It's a choice of individual protections vs. national protection. Which do you chose and under what circumstances? Tough call.
Maj. Fartagas!
Here is a question . If Revan somehow ends up during the Clone Wars which side do you think they would join ? On one hand we have the Jedi and the Republic but they are using essentially a slave army, refusing almost all offers of peace negotiations and throng to force planets to stay in the Republic by force . On the other hand we have the CSI which is headed by corporate scum but does have plenty of innocent people who just want freedom, justice and safety . And on a more ruthless practical side it would be much easier for Revan to take control if he just murders Dooku
I think Enforcement refers to the ISB’s Enforcement Branch.
I think I can get through this if I pretend The green snowboard is a Christmas tree
Good analysis. Partagaz has stuck his neck out beside Dedra. If he still sees that she's a good investigator, it's very likely he'll continue to use her to ride both of them through this trial, rather than throw her to the Wullf, so to speak. It's my prediction that by way of Partagaz, Debra will wind up being recognized by Yularen and will accompany him to a position aboard the Death Star.
Wow
Does his uniform look very slightly off-white? As if to suggest he's had it so long it's slightly faded? If so, that's a good touch.
I missed that the high-ranking ISB dude was Wullf Yularen. He always caught my as a kid in the Death Star meeting room because of his white uniform.
Oh well, he gets blown up real good along with his fellow space fascists.
It would have been hilarious if Meero approached Blevin with an offer to ‘give him’ Andor in return for sharing the information she needed. Blevin would have jumped at the opportunity to be the one to take down that big target and get the spoils, and would have lined himself up for a huge downfall.
But we all know in the narrative that they could not have predicted the outcome of the funeral riot, which is what made this show so good.
"Thesis, please." 😦
Dedra Meero And Thrawn Should Have A Kid I Mean I Don't Think You Could Go Wrong There
Maybe a DNA joint clone...
Not gonna lie I really wanna know what Partagaz did before he was made the head of ISB. Was he working for Republic intelligence? Was he a mere military man? How did someone competent rise to his position I wonder?
Dedra was great in a bureaucracy but kinda feel on her face in the streets of Ferrix lol.
I doubt this was palpatine's doing. I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually Mas Amedda's decision because the Emperor himself couldn't care less, as we saw in the Tarkin novel, when a similar r. Only Tarkin would be able to convince Palps to do something like this, and the ISB literally spied on Tarkin in Episode 4 with all of those protocol droids and ISB officers we see walking around, so I doubt it was him.
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I believe Meero is neuro-divergent. Possibly a form of ADHD. She's able to hyperfixate on things she's extremely interested in, almost to the exclusion of all else. She's also clearly seen taking some kind of 'on demand' stimulant medication when she pulls and all-nighter with her assistant "two files each?" when accessing data behind the ISB's back. I think this is also why she'll connect more with Syril, as he's is also obsessive, possibly on the ASD spectrum.
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Leave it to the Miestor Picel to be her mentor
Once again, where did Wullf Yularen factor into all this?
He’s the leader of the Imperial Navy and he’s also the only one who could meet with Palpatine directly
@@felicitys3621: Yeah, but he’s also part of the ISB. How does the machinations of said ISB affect him?
He's not the leader of the Imperial Navy. The ISB is not the navy. He served in the Navy during the Clone Wars, but at some point between then and now, he transferred to the ISB and rose to the rank of colonel.
I believe Motti was the one in charge of the Imperial Navy.
@@mitchellhayward6492: My question was what was his role in all this. How does or did he fit into this?
@@jameshanlon5689 he’s basically Palpatines contact within the ISB which means that any new thing that happens instead of telling them directly he will tell Yularen and then he will tell the other members of the ISB. He’s also most likely responsible for training almost everyone in that room.
i think they are going to blame that one officer that got threw the jacket on the holo/droid...he is gonna be the fall guy. i think they are going to chastise her for her command of troopers, but praise her because for her investigative skills as she was right about everything....the "organized" riot as proof. i think they are going to give her a second that will be able to direct the action on the ground better than she can.
I see this. The only part that didn't work during the riot was Dedra walking into the crowd with her blaster drawn as if she were military... That's BS! She should have assessed the situation from the balcony like an officer and adjusted. Stayed back as the advisor she was. Seriously, an FBI analyst wont be firing shots in the crowd once it becomes an active riot.
@@waltciii3 Television and movies _constantly_ put FBI and CIA desk analysts out into the field (did Tom Clancy start that trend with Jack Ryan?), which would never, ever happen in real life. In Dedra's case, however, she just happened to be on the street pursuing her particular mission of locating Andor when all hell broke out around her. She was more shooting her way out than shooting her way in.
Major Partagaz. Admiral Canaris. Hmm...
Why did not Palpatine foresee the rise of the rebelion.
Since the 80s ive always been of the opinion that Palpatine is just spitting bs when he talks about his powers of clairvoyance. Sure, like alot of potent force practitioners he can glimpse flashes of the future, but i think he plays up his abilities in that department to make him seem insurmountable to his foes. Otherwise theres no way he'd have missed the destruction of either Death Star or his own apprentice turning on him
There was always going to be rebellion, and he was aware of that. Any smart leader expects a threat to their regime, whether it's external or internal. That's exactly what the ISB and the Death Star were for. There were even rebellions against the Republic.
Palpatine did not directly interfere until Return of the Jedi because he figured his underlings like Vader, his Navy, his Army, his legions of Stormtroopers, and his Imperial Security Bureau and Intelligence Agency could find, snuff out, or defeat any rebellion.
But make no mistake. For 19 years, they were pretty successful.
Palpatine did not directly involve himself until Return of the Jedi because they had finally done enough damage to piss him off and decide to handle it himself.
Even then, he flatout calls the Rebels "insignificant" to Luke's face, even calling them a "pitiful little band".
His plan for Endor would have worked. He had a trap set for the Rebel Fleet in space and a trap for the Rebel Strike Team on the ground. He could not have anticipated that the Rebels would meet the Ewoks, communicate with them, ally with them, and then that the Ewoks would ambush his ground troops when his trap was sprung.
The real question is: Why did the Rebel Strike Team take a translator droid on a dangerous hit-and-run bombing mission?
like Yoda says, In motion, the Future is...
Fascist organizations ultimately defeat themselves. Dedra Meero, an intelligent and competent officer, still gets thwarted by an organization more concerned about Palpatine than following through on strategy.
Her failure was Ferrix. She got what she wanted in preparation for the funeral. A lot of things that went wrong did go wrong because of circumstances that she could not have predicted, like Cinta being there to spy on them and kill her own spy, Maarva's inciteful speech, and the tunnel under the hotel that Cassian used to sneak around.
Kreegyr's death was unrelated to the Ferrix incident. But I agree that taking him alive would have provided a spare lead to Luthen.
@@mitchellhayward6492 Ferrix was 100% her own failure and shows that while she is a great analyst, she is a terrible people leader. She kept Blevin's people in place and gave them free reign of the planet because she was so focused on her Axis Hunt. She knew that greater oppression was playing into the rebel's plans but she allowed it to happen. She had intel that should have told her that Ferrix was a powder keg and ignored it. Like Andor said, She was too complacent to imagine a funeral of a prominent citizen could spark rebellion.
I'm beginning to think that you were a poli-sci major.
She should be sacked like Captain Crunch was for his stint on Ferrix. That would be so cute!
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She is the only woman noticed I didn't see the show don't give two shits
In what world is 42 considered "young"?
Maybe Dedra is younger than her actress, perhaps in her early thirties.
In mine . . . these days . . . unfortunately . . .
@@michaeldemarco9950 40 is middle aged not young. Seriously people on average die in eighties
@@THE_GUY_ONE honestly early thirty isn't young. But it isn't old as well. In between
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl, I’m now 59; Forty looks pretty young to me. It’s all relative.
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