Percussion revolving carbines 3/3. - Shooting the original and the repro
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It iss time to head for the range to shoot the two percussion revolving carbines introduced in my previous videos:
I used to see these revolving carbines at gun shows in the 1970s. They were always fine quality and a few looked like they hadn't been shot much. Very good shooting; very accurate.
These guns and pepperboxes would've been the most common guns gunslingers would have used during the 1849 California gold rush
It took me 7 yrs to find a channel like this. Great presentation Sir!!
the 25 second looped jazzy big band music.
Absolutely enjoyed the video. Don't no how I missed this one. Thanks for the hard work you put in to them. Although I suspect you truly love what you do.
The 1858 is actually an 1866 and it was remingtons flop. Repeating rifles were already in use and the revolving carbine was already obsolite.
I get this strange feeling that it was never meant to be an off-hand weapon.
Colt probably never thought that through, but I think it's best when the gun is rested against something.
Like a tripod-type shooting stick or sandbag.
I still love it, though.
Kind of a shame that there wasn't further development on it. A possible, low-cost alternative to the historic Winchester/Henry rifles, so to speak.
you can put your hand up on the forearm, and be generally safe. The only issue is when the revolver eventually gets out of time, and starts shaving bullets (it's not safe to shoot it at that point anyway), and the highly unlikely event of a chainfire (highly unlikely likely with proper fitting priming and bullets, which they would have had, and we can have if you are meticulous). I think what killed these is 1. a lot of blast coming from the cylinder gap (highly uncomfortable, makes your ears ring, as these were light rifle charges, not the diminutive pistol loads) and 2. In a pre (unconstitutional) NFA America, regular revolvers with shoulder stocks were more popular, those did double duty, you could carry it on your belt as a pistol, and then attach the stock for target shooting, small game hunting, or to make it into a carbine; they really are nimble, convenient guns (which originals and repros are grandfathered in under NFA, check you're state laws though, I know MI considers them an "assault weapon" lol). They are basically, lower powered versions of the short hunting carbine Cap n' Ball has on his channel, small enough to be used 1 handed. Adopting a Nagant Revolver (with sealing chamber mouths) design might have saved these, but that wasn't designed until later.
Turn off The Darn Music So I can Hear the Darn Gun :)
So nice to see someone else that is willing to shoot high dollar value originals! Thanks!
Excellent. Thanks for the three part series. I just got my Uberti and I haven't had a chance to shoot it. I'll share a video with you once I do. Thanks
Wonderful videos. For 1855 it was the cat's meow. It was popular enough to serve in the Civil War. A lot of Union infantry color guards used them to protect the flag bearer in combat. Although there was always a risk of multiple discharge, this risk was outweighed by the need for for rapid firepower at a critical moment.
The 1855 Root was also issued to quite a few cavalry regiments. I do wish Uberti would copy those in the five shot, 56 caliber military models. Don't know what model he had in the video, but the military issue ones I have seen had a second "spur" just in front of the trigger guard for bracing the off hand. With modern metallurgy, a replica should be a lot of fun, even though the original was a POS by todays standards.
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I like very much your videos but please don't put any more music in them ! it's very disturbing , you can't follow the video.Thank you !
How could you
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This is the first time I have ever seen one of the old Colt rifles firing. Thank you for this wonderful piece of history. Since you are a historian, you may be able to answer this question: since from these examples the solid frame was produced as a common practice by 1855, why did Colt continue with his open top design? Root was a capable engineer and a combination of his frame and Colt's ratchet should have been obvious.
sorry NONO you have the ball the correct size so that when you load it shaves a small ring of lead off ,and then it is sealed ,this is a new idea because people use incorrect size balls,they move and powder slips by and then a chain fire
have shot cap and ball for yonks this way no problems in fact put a small disc of bees wax and parrifin mixed and cut out with an old 44.40 case with the rim removed, then put them in some baby powder stops sticking,slip over the ball also lubes ,melt the mixed lube in a cookie tray to about 3/16 deep ,let cool and cut with the old 44.40 case ,makes it a cookie cutter of sorts.
just think back did they carry a tin of gloop when these guns came out NO used correct sized projectiles not undersize sadly to many ranges allowing under sized projectiles and covering their collective rear ends against probems of a chain fire and new owners NOT instructed correctly ,also works with a revolver , so you must use GlOOP and a paddle pop stick just like they did in the 1800s oh yeah
know this is an old posting but someone may read and learn USE the correct size projectile
The Root model is very interesting. I thought at one time someone was making a repro of a Colt Percussion Revolving Rifle. Maybe it was just a dream.......Thank you for the safety precaution about keeping your hand behind the mouths of the cylinder. This would also apply to a 2 hand hold on any revolver. I would appreciate no background musik since I have reduced hearing abilities. You are the best BP channel on TH-cam. So glad you are fluent in English.
I bought the Remington repro years ago, but had to return it because it did not shoulder well for me. That may be just a personal quirk. I was hoping to use it with a conversion cylinder to shoot .45 LC. They work great in my pistol with 8" barrel.
J.L. Roberts Hi JJ, I second your compliment wrt his fluency in English, ESPECIALLY given that it is so much different to Hungarian with excellent reviews to boot! Now I have subscribed and am looking forward to many more reviews of antiquity!
J.L. Roberts There were repros at one point but they stopped making them. They were very expensive and only in .44 caliber (at which point performance wise you might as well have went with the Remington for about a third of the price) I would like to see an affordable reproduction in at least .50 or .54 caliber (there were originals made in 10 gauge so big calibers aren't a stretch) at some point but I'm not holding my breath.
I have been a long time black powder shooter ..55 + years and a great fan of your videos....but respectfully leave the music out. It detracts from the otherwise enjoyable video.
Mike H
Hit! With the rifles, m i s s with the music. Good job with all these videos you do. Keep up the good work. Do more percussion revolver spaced pine plank penetration test comparrisons.
You truly have a passion for the hobby. I have never seen black powder weapons portrayed in such a beautiful way. I noticed that you said that you were shooting near Budapest. I did have a chance to shoot my 120mm smooth bore cannon in Taszar in 1996. What a beautiful place. Thank you for the videos, I'll be watching.
I always wonder why Colt didn't make an effort with the revolving rifles and shotguns after metallic cartilages came about. A .56 or 12 gauge with 5 shots sounds would've been popular in the wild west.
GREAT JOB on these videos.
The carbine barrel would still give increased velocity as well as a longer sight radius.
If ya have trouble steadying the longer gun, U can always go back to the old matchlock method, a steadying post.
I need to get one of those Ubertis!
Using a larger bullet like a .454 or a .457 helps cut down on bullet creep too
A good Indian gun! Enjoyed the video on how to shoot em. Thanks Pardner.
Excellent vids! you my friend are a privileged man, especially with that Kammerbushe rilfe! very interesting piece. Cheers
That colt is so beautiful! One of the most elegant rifles ever made.
awesome, been wanting to see a video of the uberti revolver carbine
Excellent , fantastic video
Hello Balasz !
Excellent your highlighting the of the shooting precautions .
Multiple discharges do happen .
never happened to me with the carbine , but it did happen with a Walker .
makes you think...
Have you tried the carbine with conversion cylinders , kirst or howell ?
Keep the excellent work !
I love the music in your old videos, you should bring it back on an April Fools Episode about Glocks or Hi Points :D
Beautiful old Colt.
The French gave us lady liberty, viva la France,luv those revolvers
wdym? I France did not use these "revolvers"
He’s not French, he’s Hungarian.
Taking the colt out hunting would be a good video assuming the regulations allow it.
That Colt Root is so fresh looking it's hard to believe it's an original.
I see two thumbs down. What in the world would anyone find fault with this video. As always great videos, great information, great safety practices. Love your work!!!!!
nice video, very hight quality. but the music is annoying
i'd love an original 1855 revolving rifle!
On the Colt revolving rifles. Did they ever convert some of these to cartridge firing?
No. The cartridge era made possible the practical lever action repeaters with larger capacities and a safer firearm.
@@lancesoterion435 They had conversions in the 19th century.
@@johnn.7806 no they did not
@@midgetman9544 yes they did.
@@johnn.7806 theres only one I did not see on there also they did not do it on the colt rifle for the safety
where can you get one of those colt root repros?
I have one.... If you are still looking 😊
nice video, but no information about velocity in these two rifles with different loading and barrel lenght. would you please answer to this question.
I don’t know for the colt... I have measured 1000joules from the 18inches of the rem58 carbine (full chambers of swiss1 with .457 round balls...).
Beautiful guns, and shooting range. Great video.
Those things are dangerous as heck, but are legal. Yet a safe, responsible person can't own a advanced safe semi auto in new York state
Imagine doing a full reload in the middle of combat.
ye shoot for 20 seconds and reload for 30, still better than a musket in terms of reload speed
Background music is way too loud!
Drunken Redskins the worse
The music during your presentation is very annoying and distracting ,,,
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Normally I would agree wholeheartedly, it's just that the music was from my era.
I've fired these type rifles and revolver/carbines many times. Though i just load them the same way as the civil war soldiers had, with paper cartridges.
Loved the music the first time through got to love the Jazz, liked it the second time. But about the 3rd and 4th time it re started it just became distracting from an otherwise great video on percussion carbines.
Yes ! No more music please.
Great Vid!
awesome music, and thanks!
do you have a video of how to clean these?
I know this is old but would you recommend the 1858 for hunting and is that a colt a remake
I know guys who use the Remington 1858 New Model Army .44 pistols, 8" barrel, Buntline and Target models, with conicals for hog and whitetail. But they limit the shots to bow hunting ranges, 10 to 25 yards max, and have spent A LOT of time on the range perfecting shot placement. The Carbine would do just as well but due to ballistics range would not be that much farther for ethical hunting.
The Colt is closer to a rifle than the repro gun. (I guess the repro is a Remington?)
I think the Colt would be a lot faster to reload changing the cylinders than that way.
Actually the Remington is a hell of a lot faster to reload. The cylinder pops out in about 2 seconds using no tools. That way you can toss in another loaded cylinder and start firing again. It also makes it faster and easier if you install a conversion cylinder that allows it to fire 45 Col cartridges.
Thanks brother!
You need have shooting licence for this ?
no.
since it is a muzzle loading gun, and even a black powder one at that, it is legal, but look for your country's specific laws.
I hope your question got answered, even after 7 years.
@@Reuel-Jazwa Where are you from ? In my country you must have license if your gun have more than two shots .
@@pikoslavtreti8563 I know we have the loosest firearms laws in the world but here in the USA black powder guns are not considered firearms by the ATF (firearms regulation agency) and are completely unregulated. You can buy an uberti reproduction like the one in the video and have it mailed straight to your door with no license or paperwork.
If you live somewhere that your government requires you to have a license for a firearm, you aren’t free, you’re a slave to tyrants.
The first cartridge you loaded and pressed down, the bullet broken. Why you havent mentioned this issue?
this love ficint on the front line on the battlefield?
Hi, Capandball. Is there any possibilities to catch u on Facebook? I have ask about Colt Root. Many best from POLAND bro :D
Nice. I expect these are single action rifles?
Yes, they are.
To quote R. Lee Ermy this is my hand their are many others like it but this one is mine, I'm not shooting this thing you know that.
Did you use .454 balls? I use oversized balls in my Ruger Old Army .44 and never had chain fires because they fit so snug.
Beauty vid & guns. Good job.
If the rifle was fitted to fire metal cartridges. Would holding the rifle the normal way be ok?
No, the flash gap between the chamber and barrel will still jet a fan of extreme pressure and heat out both sides.
@@JoeBLOWFHB
Yes as a shield could be fitted
@@biggusdickkus2956 Actually NO a flash gap shield was never fitted to any revolver I can think of can you name one? There's a reason... it would make the gun even wider and if dropped it could bend and foul the action and the blast force would need to be redirected in a safe direction. The nearest thing that comes to mind is something like a Nagant M1895 but the question was can cartridges alleviate the flash gap issue in this weapon and the answer is still no.
why not make paper cartridge too load with my civil grandfather show me that that when 5yr
hey im looking for a new one thats ez 2 load like a revolver 357 or something would like some help
Good movie except for the music
Why did this gun misfire, did any of the Pistols have misfires, what caused the misfires, I would really love to know.
i rather hear the gun fire sound than the annoying music......nice video anyway
I liked the music. It was just the loop that got on my nerves.
I suppose one time is one too many, but in twenty years of black powder shooting, I have never seen a multiple discharge from a revolver.
It has happened to me once or twice. Very long ago.
@@jason60chev and since I wrote that I had it happen to me.
Would you use more grains if you need to fire a minimum of 100 yrds
Please note US viewers this is how it should always be done, not freehand at metal pig targets.
How in the world did you get your hands on that Colt rifle in Europe???
where do you get those powder tubes? I hunt with black powder and target shoot and that would be so much nicer than rolling cartridges.
cabelas or scheels have them if your in the usa, bass pro shop should as well, since they're the only outdoor sporting store that sells actual BP. so they should as well
do does require a license in your country
70s game show music? ??????
Do duble action repros exist?
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very interesting guns
Why not just use cartridges?
I agree with the others; it's an interesting video but, the big band jazz sound track was very distracting.
Egyetértek a többiekkel, ez egy érdekes videó, de a big band jazz hangsáv nagyon zavaró.
Man I love the videos but that music thing... It's not happening.
I preferred the chanting from the root video more than this music!!!
hello very good arms and beautiful please wher can i buy this please and modele 1866??
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If that rifle used cartridges instead of black powder and had a gas seal mechanism. Would you not need all those safety precautions.
Redsam121 You wouldn't even want to try that (using the offhand to grasp the barrel) with a modern cartridge revolver! The Russian Nagant (M1895?) revolver had a gas seal system that might make that feasible. BTW I have a J&D conversion cylinder for my Uberti replica 1858 Remington carbine that allows me to shoot .45 Colt cartridges as well (wihtout the fear of chain-fire), but I am cognizant of the gas issue with that as well.
If I was making a revolving rifle, I would just put a dust cover over the front of the cylinder to seal in the gas. Will that work?
Redsam121 S&W (or some other manufacturers of that time, can't remember) tried adding a dust cover, but it didn't work as planned- some of the debris were deflected back and could potentially cause eye/face injury or ignite other cartriges. Metal cased ammo solved that problem, and, ironicly, automatically made revolving rifles obsolete.
Ian from forgottenweapons talked on this opic not long ago.
where do you get or fine the paper from shooting the 1855
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Great video, but did not care for the music.
I want to hear this man pronounce Bouille
I wouldn't want young kids shooting that gun because the first time they're going to do is put their hands on the guard.
Why Remington carbine repros have shorter barrel then orginals?
+ksztyrix Probably because its cheaper to make.
@ksztyrix - longer=heavier
Where can I purchase one..??
I have one here in Indiana..
Interesting, but the music got onto my nerves....
Why there is no a shield in front of a cylinder, to protect from chain fire?
stop and think before asking such a question
dont these thing explode when you use them?
.....clearly no... :p
Only if you use smokeless powder.
What is with the goddam music!!!!
He wanted a jazz themed video. Over, he forgot to remove the loops.
Yeah, cut that mess, and show the guns !
I kinda liked where Remington were going here. This would've been the first repeating rifle, but it ended up being a fail.
Don't forget the earlier Spencer too, they were used in large numbers during the Civil War
with a longer barrel of 18inches on the remington carbine than the pistol, why are they not more powerful and accurate than the normal 8 inch pistol verion. They should be, in theory
cylinder can only hold so much powder, you got more barrel than powder. theres a point when longer barrels can slow you down
I agree, but its way past 18 inches with say 30 or 40 grains on the Unberti version of BP pistols, on a .44 remington. It's an interesting thing to which I am only trying to find the answer to, thus far I have not found that answer.
Norm Vigas
dont forget the cylinder gap, and the use of pistol powder in this particular gun
I agree the fact we are using BP opposed to modern smokeless systems and BP is not as powerful as the modern stuff, also your right about the cylinder gap, thus a % of the force is also lost there. The point is, even considering these things, I think I read, the optimal length of 30 grains of BP in a Remington or colt style gun .44/45 cal to obtain max speed is around 26 inches before negative friction effects it. ( according to tests) So, if that is correct, why does it not have higher velocity?
Norm Vigas
becouse of the pistol grained black powder, burns much faster than rifle powder, its designed for a short barrel. pistol powder is very fine vs rifle powder is course. if you used rifle powder in the gun it would bump up velocity but its not safe to do so.
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