Discussing the Train Sim World 4 Announcement (Do we really need this, Dovetail?)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2023
- Dovetail Games are really testing my patience, especially after announcing that Train Sim World 4 is real. This 'new' iteration of the TSW game includes decent core updates that shouldn't be locked behind a paywall; they should be released as a free update for the existing TSW3 instead of DTG trying to milk our wallets well past the point of being bone-dry.
The three core routes are all new to TSW, but they only include one form of motive power each (ÖBB 4024 'Talent', LNER Class 801 and Metrolink F125), while the Austrian 'S-Bahn Vorarlberg' route is the only truly interesting one in the pack. The other two are 'ECML - Peterborough to Doncaster' (the most boring section of a highly-requested route, because of course Dovetail had to stick up their middle finger at us again) and Metrolink's Antelope Valley Line. The AVL is 75 miles long, has 13 stations, only 11 trains a day in each direction and takes at least two hours to complete. How could anyone think making this route for TSW was a good idea?
Real-Life image sources:
Metrolink F125 - www.flickr.com/photos/3106801...
ÖBB 4024 - www.flickr.com/photos/1265840... - เกม
just a reminder that this isn't the dev's fault, it is the fault of the executives at DTG. The devs hate DTG as much as we do,
They have complained before about the working conditions, and they'll probably will again, even Matt and the other people we commonly see have complained before. They're also rushed to do routes because the executives want more money.
I see DTG being the British version of EA now
Yes, I think it's important to make this distinction. When developers are given time something great usually comes, like I think we're about to see with the JT Preston route.
Would be nice if these devs could get jobs developing SimRail so they could build up that game and leave DTG to rot away.
As an ex employee of Dovetail Games, I am not really surprised. Finding out they were releasing a 4th title after only 12 months made me laugh and shake my head.
Oh then you must have the inside scoop. Are the rumours true? Did the DTG CEO really go to clown college and get his business degree out of a children's cereal box?
Im done with DTG, I learnt my lesson after purchasing TSW 1, I gave them a chance to change their scamming ways and hope they fix TSC, but they have basically embraced being corrupt and greedy, Thankfully there are much better sims on the market now (Simrail, Run8 & DRS) So departing from playing anymore DTG Train "Sims" has not been difficult, Id recommend others to do so and let this company dig its own grave and bury itself
Hey those are PC games right. I play on console.
Ah, a man of intellect I see.
we didn't need a tsw 4 or 3 or 2. they should've just followed the tsc update cycle where the core update is free and you pay for the new dlc bundle they chuck together
not that any of it matters though cause their acolytes who think dfg is their best buddy and think a multi million company cares about anything other than their credit card details will eat it up like there's no tomorrow
yea like the amount of apologists on the forums is mad you’d have to wonder if they have a life outside of defending tsw
The funniest part is that i still remember how the vectron was promised for TSW3 but im guessing they were so desperate to release this barebone-ass sequell to cash in as much as possible, that they moved a anticipated add-on everyone wanted to actuality give a reason for people to buy TSW4.
EA: “I raised that boy!”
Take 2 : hold my beer.
POV: it's 2027 and DTG just released TSW 12
Ha haaaaaaaaa Rightttttttt LMAO
Its ridiculous they've announced tsw4 already when tsw3 isnt even a year old and alot of the routes are bad and haven't been touched
I mean, it's nearly a year old. It's not like it's only 4 months old 😅
The sad but predictable reality of DTG
The fact people are eating up Dovetail's slop is so infuriating and depressing.
Hope you ain't doing the same bro
Right
Why did they choose the Antelope Valley line?
Having ridden all 7 lines on Metrolink’s system, here’s why: Because it is the most scenic and most difficult to run line on Metrolink’s system. It’s the second busiest line by passenger ridership and train frequency only to the San Bernardino, which as you mentioned is already out there. On top of that it’s increasing growth (Reflected in the addition of Vista Canyon) is going to make it by far the busiest line in the system soon. The plan is to update the infrastructure so that the trackage can support service at increments of 15 minutes on peak and 30 minutes off peak. This is being done by various siding extensions and double tracking projects. The frequency they are aiming for is busier than San Bernardino which is 30 minutes peak and 1 hour off peak.
On top of that I’d imagine Metrolink likely had a hand in suggesting the Antelope Valley line and dovetail agreed. The Orange county line isn’t busier than AV like you stated and this is reflected in the fact Orange County has fewer trains operated over it. In addition, the Orange County line has been closed south of Laguna Niguel for almost an entire year now and only reopened recently due to erosion taking out the tracks in San Clemente. Seeing as how they filmed from inside the cab, the OC line likely wasn’t possible to get in full for the game. Perhaps that led to the decision as well.
There’s also the fact that the Orange County line is also the Pacific Surfliner route. Granted TSW4 doesn’t have this route, but literally every other simulator does. Run8, Openrails, TSC, etc
It’s funny how the only people that are ticked off over the decision to choose AV are only people who have never been to SoCal or even ridden the Antelope Valley line. Us folks who use the line or live around it are beyond ecstatic they chose this one.
I'm fine with people liking the Antelope Valley Line, especially if they're locals in real life, and I saw another comment talking about the scenic highlights of the route. But, from a gameplay perspective, I still think the route will get boring because of its spartan timetable and limited service variation. To be fair, I do still like US commuter lines as a whole.
I will admit that I don't know too much about the Metrolink network, and I'll try to hold any further critique of the AVL until after the add-on is released (or until I've done more research on the line).
@@TheTrainspotterFromTaurangaThanks for the response! I’m fairly certain it’s the most scenic line but I am concerned about the renderings we’ve seen of it… perhaps it was the lighting they showed them (Much easier to tell in day rather than orange sunrise/sunset like they chose) but I wasn’t super impressed. Granted they aren’t done yet so maybe i’ll give them the benefit of the doubt there. I’ll wait and see before I spend my money, run 8 is still my preferred one since I am a freight lover lol. But Metrolink is local so it struck a chord of interest.
The rolling stock looks accurate to the real thing but the rest of it concerns me. Hope dovetail adds in the MP36 and bombadiers later. They actually have been refurbishing the bombadiers lately so it’s clear they want to keep them. It’s rare to get a fully rotem set like is being offered, so it’s not completely accurate yet…There’s also still a few of the old F59s out although they are pretty uncommon. So those would be cool. We may have one of the weirdest commuter systems in the country (Seeing as Metrolink markets themselves as a Regional rail system despite mostly operating as a commuter system)
Do I think there’s going to be faults? Absolutely, in fact there’s several I picked up on but I do think the route will be fun to operate over. Being that I ride the line and sit in a seat that isn’t the most comfortable every time I do and enjoy it I think i’ll be fine with the length. I do wish them to add some of the other Metrolink lines too. It sounds like Metrolink loved this idea and was very accommodating. Ventura county is a pretty one too and the San Bernardino as I said is probably their most well known line being that it slays the most traffic of the 7.
'Slays the most traffic' - I like that expression. Unfortunately, here in New Zealand, there are very few regional passenger trains still running outside of Auckland and Wellington (none in my city since 2001), so you guys in LA are lucky. I wish we didn't have to use our cars as often as we currently do.
Thinking back to TSW4, I don't expect DTG to ever add the old F59PH / F59PHi locomotives, but I do hope they add the MP36 + Bi-Levels at some point. And it's a good thing that Metrolink themselves were so accommodating for Dovetail.
While I'm glad Austria is coming to TSW4, I'm pissed that the Peterborough to King's Cross section is not included in ECML. For the Metrolink route, I personally think they should have included the San Bernadino Line. I hope they at least conspenate by layering the Metrolink stock at San Bernadino on Cajon Pass.
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I bought TSW3 less than 6 months ago. What the f***k are you playing at Dovetail, making another expensive sequel less than a year after TSW3's release!?
I saw the four extra routes in the “special edition” in their FAQ, they’re some German route I can’t pronounce, SEHS, the northeast corridor, and the French route.
Also yeah I agree, TSW4 is an absolute scam.
The German route is Linke Rheinstrecke - Mainz to Koblenz. Incidentally, it's the only one of those four routes I haven't got, but it's a lousy selection anyway (and I certainly won't be buying the 'special edition').
@@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga Which other routes do you not own?
Also Flying Scotsman is made available for TSW4 in the Deluxe/Special Edition version to go with the East Coast Mainline pack
"Why patch it when we can charge £50 for a pat.... uhhh sequel!!"
I'm sure I'm not the first, nor will I be the last person to say that Dovetail is seemingly doing the same thing they once did with Train Simulator Classic. Back when it was "Train Simulator 20--", every year they'd change the date in the title and advertise it like it's a brand new game, when in truth it's the same game with a few bugs fixed (and in the process new ones being created) as well as a different selection of routes that come free with the game for new players. For Train Sim World they're seemingly doing the same thing. The only difference is that they aren't an update to the original game (like with Train Simulator Classic) and instead are treated as separate games. I won't be surprised if Dovetail Games decides to make a new train game and decides to retitle the Train Sim World series as "Train Sim World Classic" or something.
“Hello, I like money”
“Dovetail games, what inspired you to resell an almost exact copy of train sim world 3 at full price?”
“Money”
As much as I dislike the Spongebob movie, that exchange between Perch Perkins and Mr. Krabs is still funny.
I bet you DTG purposefully avoided the Kings X to Peterborough section of the ECML just so that they wouldn’t have to work on the much more interesting scenery on the section as well as including Great Northern and their rolling stock. The same can be said for the Metrolink Orange County line with the scenery and the inclusion of Amtrak Pacific Surfliner trains as well because putting in more work and effort is simply not DTG’s policy!
What do I think about this?
It’s Disgraceful, Disgusting, and Despicable!
I mean yeah three routes for 35,99€ is not the worst but what the hell are those routes? One train per route, not even any re used trains? Damn those routes must look empty if you don't own any other DLCs. The time setting for the Austrian route is also not great since it means no Desiro and I don't know about Railjets (regarding that, why the hell aren't we getting any Austrian intercity train here?) and IC trains running there nowadays. The only good thing are the scenario creator improvements and the editor, providing these are as good as they were looking on stream because then I can just do the job Dovetail fails to do myself.
I guess I'll just wait until TSW5 drops next year and then get a key for a couple of bucks.
I can agree THIS IS AN OUTRAGE On what dovetail is doing!!!
At fist I thought that one type of rlling stock thing was only because theses Locos or MUs were the star of the show. I was very frsutrated when I saw that thos were the only ones. That is one of my personal biggest outrages
No it’s not. Stop complaining I’m sure you have better things to be doing.
@@Olivers_RailAdventures your replying to a comment that’s has been 10 days old Get a life you Dovetail supporter!!!
They can only push this so far. Probably up to TSW 10. Then the REAL pushback will begin...
@@Championhaulproductions3672Ten days. That long, eh?
Reasons why I didn't buy TSW 3
1. I was very bored of the USA, UK(mainly England), Germany trio (I know there were countries like Scotland and... Nothing more, I think)
2. I wanted to drive in my home country Austria
3. TSW 3 is just TSW 2 with more features
4.I don't like the number 3
I bought all TSW's including Heavy Haul on day one, TSW3 was begrudgingly day one too despite similar levels of irritation towards how they were fleecing us but I genuinly felt they wouldn't shaft us so much this time only to see them do it worse than before.
I've only put about 120 hours in as i've been waiting on them to fix certain things before putting the time in with bigger routes, only for the bigger routes I now need to either save money with a pre-order and buy it to be a beta tester or wait 6 months for it to be half price but know the game only has a few months left on it.
I'll just stick with TSW3 and turn to TSC for the full routes as usual, for every bit of promise shown in TSW4 we know it won't see any real potential from it until TSW5, assuming the route builder isn't still in beta by then, which we know it will be.
The Fanboys have already began ridiculing those who aren’t happy with this decision all over the place
That's not going to stop me from expressing my honest thoughts on TSW.
@@TheTrainspotterFromTaurangaI got sent many insults by them for saying that it’s a money grab
@@TeamSenkesame!
Awesome, I didn't expect a video from you so soon. Wonderful, the popcorn are served! :D
I'm not sure what relevance popcorn has got (if any).
That I am happy about the video and find it entertaining :)
I think the reason for lack of other IETs is becuase DTG where only given 801 details.
Im so glad many of us have the same thoughts. Everyone is saying dont complain and dont buy it but if i dont buy it then any new maps that i might be interested in will force me to buy the base game just to get a new map. Im not buying it unless it is like 50 to 75 percent off
me neither
lumo would've been a nice addition to the route, but because its lumo, it does not stop at any of the stations across the route
We don't need TSW4, but Dovetail does as they need $$$. Turn your back to them people and ignore their products. Don't buy!!!
I willl buy it looks great. Never bought train sim before just trucks and buses
We have Dovetail spending so much money on new games yet I’m still stuck with a buggy HHP8 in Train Simulator that keeps automatically stopping
Lol so it wasn't just me.....😮
Try entering suppression brake level before hitting the confirm
That usually does the trick with the ATC in TS Classic
@@markvogel5872 glad I’m not alone lmao
@@rosumin38 alright thanks for the advice
I gave up with TSW when TSW2 came out. I now just play TS Classic, like I did before TSW existed, with 95% of what I play being content made by third party developers, dovetail are useless.
That is interesting. I bought TSW2 because I could not get anyone to explain the difference between that and Classic. Plus Classic looks to old like the graphics. But now maybe I should have. You were smart for that. From Your Boy Poorhouzzzzzzz SALUTE
Honestly I don't give 2 flying craps about European lines I just want more American lines like they have on train sim classic. On top of that, I can't run train sim classsic on my pc because the fps drops to 14 and 10 sometimes
Do you think a route based off of a light rail system like DART would be an interesting concept for TSW? I understand that, yes, it's just a stop-go-stop-go passenger rail route, however DART is a very long system, about 93 miles (150 km) long. The route has four lines plus many interesting operations within and between the two major yards. You could run standard train services, short turns, yard moves, power moves, breakdown trains, or any number of other services. There would also be loads of opportunities for sessions during rush hour, the most interesting part of DART service operations.
For sessions, you'd probably get the generic terminus to terminus sessions (for example, Red Line from Parker Road to Westmoreland, and vice versa), as well as various short turn sessions (for example, Orange Line from DFW Airport to Fair Park) with an extra drive out to the yard to park your train, a Not In Service training run (maybe to serve as a route and train tutorial) as well as yard movements, rescuing broken down trains and other such activities (which Dovetail would probably charge for).
As for session lengths, the Green, Red and Blue lines all take about 1 hour to traverse in full, while the Orange Line takes about 90 minutes. You'd be operating exclusively on LRT right of way but it isn't all boring. There's some pretty neat junctions and a transit mall where all four lines come together. I'd imagine the sessions would be quite challenging, as you do need to precision stop your train to line up with the platform humps for wheelchair access and constantly be alert and on the lookout for signals.
Knowing Dovetail they'd only model one or maybe two of the four lines and charge you $40 bucks for the entire route, plus an added $20 for the other lines (as well as session packs and wrapped train skins). Maybe if they charged $20 for two lines and an extra $10 for the other lines, it'd be fine. I'd probably still buy it anyway as I'm a Dallas native and have always wanted a route depicting DART. I'm curious to hear what you have to say about the concept!
I never bought 2 or 3 ... And I am NEVER BUYING TSW4 either. I am sick and tired of DTG crap.
W for you
I bought 2 and 3 i wad planning to buy 4 on xbox because of öbb but they made a dirt crap game again
Unfortunately, this "forced migration" policy has been evident since TSW2. That was meant to be the title which would be continually developed and updated. DTG then issued a roadmap for it before announcing TSW3. TSW3 was released, and TSW2 was abandoned.
Exactly the same thing will happen when TSW4 is released. DTG will rinse and repeat this process for as long as their player base continues to allow themselves to be treated like mugs.
Exactlyyyyyyyyy....
I wish we could've gotten the line to St. Margarethen (Switzerland) and Feldkirch to Buchs (Switzerland and the only railway in Liechtenstein) as well in Vorarlberg. It probably would've been 24 more km with 6 more stops
People who aren't buying TSW4:
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Yep
What's the point of getting it it's been almost 1 year since tsw3 came out
70 dollars for just 3 routes is ridiculous
I hate that you always need to buy a new game to get the new DLCs. Hope they will be some good ones then…
Dovetail definitely rushed TSW4… They only just need money and not good gameplay
14:48 A man from down under screaming his head off. Yeah, that sounds about right, in a good way. Thank you @TheTrainspotterFromTauranga. These sorts of videos have undoubtedly saved people lots of money by being shown the truth about DTG’s routes, hollow shells. Keep it up
Great thoughts as always
The only thing that made me care about TSW 4 is The EDITOR.
With the Full TSW Editor now in the picture, you will be able to see some NZ and Australian Content, thanks to me and some other people I know.
Think Suburban and Regional NZ, Australia, and other places never seen before in TSW. (Ukraine, Japan, Spain etc)
If there was still no Editor, I would just have glossed over TSW 4. It would just be another "un-interesting" September for me.
i preordered it for the revised free roam mode. you would not believe how long i've wanted to just mess around on the TSW routes and go literally to any piece of track i want.
We could all boycot it? So we can force them to update tsw3 2 and 2020?
I know many people who have bought it lol
Im buying it
@@potatoman451 ah damn, then it’s probably to late lol
Spot on with this
C.N you very much spoke what i was thinking about TSW4. If they insisted on Peterborough-Doncaster they should have included The joint line through Spalding, Sleaford and Lincoln as well and Sleaford-Grantham too. But no instead they went for the lazy-arsed linear section (Smacks Head)!! No wonder DTG are asking for Legal trouble given how many people they pissed off from what i saw on their Instagram page.
Also, if this is getting so bad for TSW series to basically making people going broke with the high price of both the TSW game and DLC packs; Kuju needs to end the partnership with Dovetail Games and come back to further develop Microsoft Train Simulator 2
In which Kuju had learnt quite enough from Dovetail Games to help develop MSTS2
By the way, something im sure youve got wrong, you will be able to purchase the locomotive dlc once tsw4 is released.
Edit: I also think the reason why there a locomotive/service lackages is due to licensing. I think people forget that it's not easy to replicate a station like Kings Cross when there is only one train and operator. I can see an extension add on once there are other locomotive add ons.
I've never seen someone so upset about the AV line 😂. Yes, it's clear Dovetail simply chose the AV as it's terrain and landscape is similar to Cajon Pass, but it is clear you know very little about the Metrolink System as a whole. Allow me to inform you, the Antelope Valley line is actually THE busiest Metrolink line in terms of ridership, according to Metrolink Q4 22-23. The frequency is also exactly the same as of the OC line, the OC also has 11 TRAINS A DAY- that's not even to mention the fact has 2 MORE trains than the OC line on weekends. The AV line is also set to be the first electrified Metrolink line. If you want the OC line, go play literally any other rail simulator, I assure you. no matter what you choose the Surfline will be a route. The AV line traverses nearly every single biome California has to offer, except for the Coast of course. Begins in a busy dense city, later the Los Angeles suburbs, then you enter the Newhall Pass. The pictures you see of "Newhall Pass" when you search it up on google are almost all shots south of Tunnel 25 (the 2nd longest tunnel in California), self plug but see my Instagram page for the lush tree filled northern end of the tunnel. After that, you end up in another suburb and that'll take you to a longer, steeper, mountain pass than Cajon. Once you finally reach the end of Soledad Pass, you end up in a flat Joshua-tree filled desert. "How many people would have the patience to drive a virtual train for as long as two hours", sir, have you ever heard of Flight Simmers? Flight simmers sit down for 12 hours at a time, while flying a virtual plane that is on autopilot for 90% of the trip. The rail community has these same folks, who mostly play on operational realistic simulators such as Run8. All due respect, the lack of research purely on the AV line makes me question the validity of the entire video.
EDIT: I'd like to make something clear, I am by no menes defending Dovetail games for their blatant money grab. Matter of fact, I have never even owned a TSW game- the AV line is the only reason for my purchase of TSW4. I normally play opperarionaI realistic simulators such as Run8. I've only ever purchased Train Simulator 2012, and that's it for Dovetail. All I am doing is doing is defending the Antelope Valley Line.
I understand that emotions are high from the blatant money grab, and I believe that is the primary reason people are so upset. The route just managed to get itself intangled in this mess.
I will give the TSW community this piece of advice, however. As this is my first TSW game I am not familiar with the community but I believe it is in your best interest to simpily protest this blatant money grab by just not purchasing the game. Boycotts are some of the most effective form of protest. Stay respectful, it is clear the TSW community is significantly more immature than other communities such as Run8 and I understand that that's primarily because of it's younger playbase, but if there's one thing to know it life, the kinder you are the more good things will happen to you- grow up.
Your information is much appreciated; I stupidly didn't think to check the Orange County schedule as well (at least we've got that line in TS classic). Based on what you've said about the terrain through with the line runs, and despite my reservations over DTG choosing a route with a spartan timetable, it does at least sound interesting from a scenery perspective.
I also hope the F125 will at least be an enjoyable locomotive to drive.
The line though barley has any passenger services. It will get boring quite quickly from a gameplay perspective. BNSF doesn't even run freight on that route. Union Pacifc does
There are much better U.S passenger routes than The Antelope Valley line that nobody asked for
laughs in Long Island Rail Road, yes because 22 trains a day is definitely exciting but then again you have an ugly Cab car as a profile pic so your level of intelligence is checked out.
@@Atrail_Mckinley4786 The Antelope Valley corridor between Burbank and LA is actually the busiest corridor on the Metrolink system. There's 35-40 deadhead Metrolink trains from Taylor Yard to LA Union station, and 42 revenue Metrolink trains if you include the VC line. That's ~82 trains a day, not even including all the freight. "Oh they should have choose the VC line"- The VC line only has 10 trains a day, and only 2 trains a day on weekends, and not to mention Metrolink does not even own the entire route. As for Union Pacific operating the AV instead of BNSF, I don't see how that is an issue unless you have some obsession with orange paint or something. In plus, you now have the freedom to run whatever trains you want on whatever route.
@@SomeRamdomAhole Few things. Calm down, take a deep breath, it's just a game about trains there is no need to be disrespectful. I understand where you are coming from, everyone wants their home line in a rail simulator. You can imagine how I felt when TSW kept on releasing New York routes and not my home line. As for your insults about the Hyundai Rotem cabcar, who said I didn't think they were ugly either? Because I do. But I also think the Long Islands railroads rolling stock is no better. Everyone has their own opinions and that is OK. But the reason for the purchase of these cabcars were written in blood. Your username also checks out. Have a nice day
Who drives for 2 hours, well I certainly have done and then some. The longest continuous route I did was Marias Pass and Montana hi-Line merged which was over 250 miles. Doing TSW4 has clearly had a big effect on TSC production as the route releases have been diabolical. WCML-South was the last reasonable route DTG put out and that took a major update to get right.
On TSC I can drive the merged ECML from London Kings Cross to Edinburgh (390 miles) and the GWML from London Paddington to Penzance (320 miles). Both in one session.
It’s getting on, might not have the same graphics, but TSC constantly proves that it’s still better than TSW. I’ll never move to TSW.
Literally I bought tsw3 then a couple months later (if that) I was looking in the store and I saw tsw4 and was like wtf didn't 3 just come out
I wanted to mention something about the Flying Scotsman and the Vectron: They can be purchased separately from the end of October. But for the people that want it immediately after TSW4‘s release, they would have to get the Deluxe Edition
time to break out the eyepatch mate, arrgghh me pirating days are back!
arrrrrrrrghh, ye be talking truths, matey
They abandoned hundreds if not thousands of gifted engineers and artists when they refused to provide an editor. That was 10 years ago now. Without this community support, their product is precisely what it is: ever less important iterations of TS classic. Unreal Engine is capable of so much more than the flat candy-color world of TSW. The Antelope Valley line is in a desert. Way too green and the ground textures are table-flat.
We shall see what the editor actually allows.
You know, TS Classic has a lot of Fan routes that are GREAT! I loved it! super great. So, please, add a map creator in TSW! And also easier! Thanks to fans, we have 500+ routes. And TS Classic only updates.
Bit late but have you heard of the TSW4 PC Editor? It's the same stuff DTG devs use for TSW itself and it works alot like Unity if I remember but it's hard to use, like a nightmare. Not sure if it's a good idea to try it.
@@ersanovoroblox6102 yeah, but it does not from the game, but, good to know!
801 5 and 9 car variants will appear.
I would like a 180 but i doubt theyd make that so a 91 would be a better shout.
Im happy we are getting ecml but i would much prefer london to Peterbrough because then you have a variety of commuter and express traffic with more trains bc then you could have gn 387s and 700s, thameslink 700s and the 801 to drive along the route so you have a nice busy line and then 158 layers at Peterbrough. That would be so much better than what we currently have.
What they should have done was expanded onto the Cajon Pass Route to also include the Metrolink San Bernardino Line to LA and then expand from LA to all the other existing Metrolink routes
Honestly, we could've gotten the Hudson line.
Personally i dont mind to drive a longer route only if the scenery is good. But after seeing the previews its not good at all. I hope we will get player made routes with the route editor
Each day they somehow make EA and Activision Blizzard look like trustworthy and legitimate companies….
Don't forget Rockstar.
Well at least DTG are giving TSW3 players a 25% discount towards TSW4, Game companies such as EA wouldn't care lol, at least DTG are a lot more generous
@@Class422They should just give the core update for free and then just charge for the new routes like they do in Train Simulator Classic. There is no reason to have another paid update.
Also pre ordering games makes no sense these days. Why pay for something that isn't even out yet?
@@Atrail_Mckinley4786 because you can get it straight at release?
Why do the ECML Azumas have to be fully electric rather than bi-mode? If they were bi-mode, id be more likely to *actually want to* get it and wipe my wallet clean.
Because dtg could only access the 801 and it runs on this route
@@potatoman451 Im pretty sure thr community wants the bi-mode more than the fully electric.
*Edit:* the*
When the first iteration of TSW released there were promises of Multiplayer and a full blown map editor...
here we are YEARS later and we got nothing of those promises. all we got was basicly content dlcs and sometimes new features or bugfixes behind paywalls in the form of new iterations.
I was hyped from the beginning but got disappointed every time i heard anything about TSW updates since then.
I can’t believe Dovetail would just abandon TSW3 like this it isn’t even 1 year old so it is just rubbish and if dovetail is to make steam engines stop doing ones in the BR Era why not some LMS or LNER engines or maybe an American engine Like Big boy
Umm yea.. I think we’re not seeing the over all picture here. Obviously the new mother company can’t stand DTG current problems. Now they are going to have a stronger platform, which Honestly can hold more (look at new 2 hr route. Also the last gen is going away, next gen will take over
Last gen isn't going anytime soon
You were so angry you deployed irony and sarcasm. The big guns!
Average dovetail fanboy 🤓🤡
@@Championhaulproductions3672fr
Agree with everything you said, except the Scotsman in BR Livery, I get it, and in train sim, I would absolutely love to see it in different Liveries. I'm no expert, but I believe the reason it's in BR Livery in real life is that is the only way it makes sense, the loco is so different from it's LNER days - double chimney, banjo done etc. That it only ever served in that form in BR, hence the NRMs decision to keep it in that livery, rather than the apple green it was in before they acquired it
I must agree. This is typical DTG just polish a turd and re sell it to the people. 😂
All 3 routes sound boring. ECML should be to London with the 700 atleast. Who on earth is going to sit for 2 hours on a boring desert route??
Austria okay sounds fun but with a face lifted talant 2 will be boring after one run. 😂
Also you are right the Deluxe edition contain 4 TSW3 routes and guess what, they are the core routes from that game. 😂😂😂
I really hate DTG and their robbing ways. We need to stand and fight back.
I just hope that, if enough people vote with their wallets, we can finally get DTG to rethink and alter their practices. Clearly, they only seem interested in making as much money as possible.
@thetrainspotterfromtauranga769 The problem we face will be all of the fan boys who back DTG and let DTG brain wash them into standing with them.
DTG will never back down as they just love the money and the idiots that fall for their crap.
I feel the true fans like ourselves need to take on DTG and make our own train games. But again I don't think that would happen
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Awesome fantastic 😊
While I'm glad Metrolink (my hometown commuter railroad) is finally licensed. I don't think the Antelope Valley Line is a good choice. As a former Los Angeleno, it's not that busy from memory. I would have preferred a new take on Pacific Surfliner with Amtrak, BNSF, Coaster, and Metrolink. It also bothers me that we're getting a 4th. I still have TSW2 and only because someone gifted me that. I tried it. Didn't impress me much. I stick with Classic mostly becase Classic has some decent routes and great route builers who make great stuff on the Workshop. But, TSW...yeah, not my cup of tea. If DTG did what SCS Software did and made DLC that was worth more than the price and give us free stuff periodically such as a free loco pack for existing routes, we might have something. But, DTG makes stuff sometimes that hurt me. Especially the recent Saluda Grade route. As someone who rode over it in person before NS mothballed the line, the route feels a bit off and hurts me.
Hi,
Please explain to me why the Antelope Valley line isn't a good choice. I currently live along the AV line and last I checked (30 seconds ago), it has the same exact amount of Metrolink trains a day as the OC line. Not to mention it has the some of the best scenery on the entire Metrolink system. Does the OC line snow? Didn't think so. Does the OC line have nearly every biome in California? No. The AV does.
@@metromainlineToo long and not much variety. If they did the Pacific Surfliner, you would have four railroads to choose from. Los Angeles to San Diego for Amtrak and BNSF. Coaster for Oceanside to San Diego and Metrolink from Oceanside to Los Angeles. You would have four railroads to choose from.
@@JessicaKasumi1990 Like I said in my original comment on this video, every rail sim already has the Pacific Surfline Route, and I'm sure this one eventually will too. It's also worth mentioning I've never purchased a Train Sim World game prior to this. By variety I am assuming you mean how many railroads run on the line, that is true more railroads do run the LOSSAN. AV has UP and Metrolink, but the AV has more mainline freight then the LOSSAN. Amtrak does in fact eventually plan to run to Newhall to avoid traffic with their throughway busses to Bakersfield, so that's a custom scenario you can add if you want. The AV line is also home to a movie railroad, reporting mark SCRX.
@@JessicaKasumi1990 The surfline is in so many other simulator games it’s nice to have something different than that for a change.
Knowing how much the surfline has been closed I wouldn’t mind betting since they recorded from a non-revenue train specifically ran for them that the inability to get the full surfline on video contributed to the choice to use the Antelope Valley line. The AV line is my favorite and many others favorite and as the other commenter said its got very good variety in scenery and a pretty similar schedule. The AV line actually has a better schedule in my opinion there’s 18 trains that run the full length of the line between LA and Landcaster (9 each way per day) while the OC line only has 10 that go all the way to Oceanside (5 each direction per day).
@@JessicaKasumi1990 Since when did something become too long for tsw. Many players want longer routes
Here's what I want to see from DTG when they make a new route. I am going to use an example from India because it's a place the devs have not yet gone and it should give a good idea of the quality we want.
I want to see the 130km Southern Railway Chennai Central - Katpadi Jn, with the Branch lines to Tiruttani, Anna Nagar, Pattabiram E Depot and Vellore Cantonment included. The route should be complete with WAU-4(9/12C), 3-Phase Medha(12C) & Vande Bharat(8/16C) EMUs, ICF (8C) MEMU, WAP-4 & WAP-7 Electric Locomotives, Utkrisht & LHB Coaches in their respective liveries (usually 18/24C per train) and the WDM-7 shunter for the yard at ICF.
I know most people won't be able to get the scale of what I'm asking for. For reference, the route is similar to München - Augsburg, but it's longer, there is no 'RE' level service (it's mostly S-Bahn style trains that operate out of the city) and there are more stations. I will happily pay 50USD for a route like this (not particular to India) and it would still be good value. If DTG wants feedback for some reason, they can look up the route and they will understand the value they should provide.
For a shorter route, Niddertalbahn is reasonably decent value for money.
Main issue is licensing. Many companies don't want to be in game and it makes sense from a legal & safety standpoint. The only way we could see Indian railways is if someone made it using editor, but it would be pc only
These guys have done nothing but reskins for the US stuff in the last year. Do you really think they are going to make a brand new route in another continent? They are lazy as hell...
I'm willing to be that majority of new routes post release of TSW4 will still be an hour long or less. After the NEC NY to Trenton let down (which would've made more sense to extend to Philly since its a major station 30 plus miles away), I stop following TSW. I don't believe TSW4 will save Dovetail Games.
You say only 30 miles making it seem very easy to model 30 miles by hand. Plus, there's no septa license meaning it's a very empty route besides amtrak
@davidpark5486 First off, the only section they modeled by hand in NYC to Trenton route was from Trenton to Newark Airport. Everything else was reused from the original TSW NEC: New York Route with minimal updates. For the prices they're charging for DLC now, it only would've been right to extend the route to Philly. Also, they didn't have the license for MARC in the DC to Baltimore Route in TSC, yet the route was made and had plenty of content for it, including unbranded MARC equipment. Anymore excuses for DTG?
@@potatoman451 Bruh that's not going to stop them is doesn't in TSC they can make up a fake railroad or copyright-free livery, DTG makes EA look like a trustworthy company....
@@EmpireStateExpress01 You can't really compare the 2. Players in tsw would be against unbranded content and so is dtg. When rivet made their island line 2022 with a fictional swr livery because of no livery, lots of players complained.
@@potatoman451The Island Line only has one piece of rolling stock which is prototypical to the line. The NEC has plenty of rolling stock variety, yet we only have the Alp-46, ACS-64, Amfleet 1's, Multilevels, and Acelas. Number 2, are you seriously comparing the NEC to a island people mover basically? That's like comparing the ECML to the West Somerset Railway.
Man, I wish the ECML included York since Peterborough to York is the second seventh of the ECML (London to Aberdeen and Inverness) according to Train Simulator Classic.
DTG is doing the lazy thing that a developer would do. Fixing the previous and updating the stuff is harder than creating a new route.
101% scam.
ECML is probably because it's flat and quite straight and easy to make. It's a nice route to sit on in real life, but not much to drive.
Overall agree. I'm still on 2 as I have the most routes for it!
Love the footage.
I am only getting TSW4 for the Los Angeles and the ECML routes.
That's fair enough. I'm mainly looking forward to the Austrian route and updated Livery Designer (not to mention Flying Scotsman).
@@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga Me too mate. I am not familiar with Austria but I do remember the Albergbahn from MSTS with Golsdorf 380 steam train. Nice route in the alps but as for TSW4. I was hoping that they would have done Surfliner with the Amtrak GE P42DC and the Siemens ALC-42 chargers on the passenger trains and for freight. A Tier 4 GEVO in the BNSF and Union Pacific. Although the EMD F125's could run as far Oceanside but with the Lancaster route. I am sure there will be reskins of the Rotem cars that could use Surfliner colours as a stop gap until the Surfliner route and trains come out. I was hoping to see a P42DC so I can floor it on the open tracks :).
On the positive side of things. I am happy to see route building tools and editors coming out! That means we can add our own trains, mods and buildings etc. I am more happy about this if anything. Anyway its nice to speak to you on here and I think we are connected on Steam as I am BritishRail60062 on there as well.
I don't know about Los Angeles but as For ECML you can just have T:ANE or TRS2019
i might not get this installment honestly. unless they implement an amazing metra or other amtrak route, or even something that uses an SC-44 Charger i am not purchasing.
1. Why did we need this in the first place
2. Why does the ecml route only have 1 train. They shouldve added the class 91, class 802 for hull trains, and the class 800.
3. Why does the ecml route stop in the most random place at doncaster. It shouldve been extended to york. Either that or go London - Peterbrough or heck, even York - Newcastle
4. Why do dtg not care or acknowledge the existence of more than 3 American tsw users.
5. Why antelope line. Why not one of the busier metrolink lines.
6. Why would i spend 2 hours driving anything where i cant see any other trains or interesting scenery.
7. In the Dresden - Riesa route, why cant they add the short branch to Dresden Flughafen. It is barely any length and would make so much more sense than the dbbr 143 services ending at Dresden Neudstadt.
8. Why do i need to buy dresden again just to get the updates.
9. Why haven't they announced what routes are in the special edition. It is very annoying for people who want to pre order.
10. This better not be the new standard of just ONE train per route by default.
Also, if they really wanted to include this section of the ecml, they should've extended it to York, Hull, and Lincoln, added the class 802, 800, 153 and 91, or, extended it to Leeds, and added the class 800, 91, 153 and 322/331.
9. they have:
- East Coast Main Line: Peterborough - Doncaster
- Antelope Valley Line: Los Angeles - Lancaster
- S-Bahn Vorarlberg: Lindau - Bludenz
- Nahverkehr Dresden - Riesa
- LNER Class A3 60103 Flying Scotsman
- Railpool BR 193 Vectron
- TSW4 compatible content:
- Linke Rheinstrecke: Mainz - Koblenz
- Southeastern High Speed: London - Ashford & Faversham
- Northeast Corridor: Boston - Providence
- LGV Méditerranée: Marseille - Avignon
8. you don’t need to buy Dresden again, you „only“ need a TSW4 starter pack, if you own it in TSW2/3 you’ll get it for free in TSW4
Several things wrong.
Dra is free to tsw4 owners.
The special edition routes and locos were mentioned in livestream (deluxe edition content + sehs, lfr, bpe, lgv. Also in the faq
AVL is quite scenic
Regarding No.7, they never included the Dresden Flughafen branch because of light baking issues in the Dresden Airport tunnel.
At least dovetail provided more ability to actually make the routes
The standard of one new train per route is nothing new. Birmingham Cross City, Cajon Pass, Bremen - Oldenburg, Kassel - Wurzburg etc. Even some routes get released with no new trains - Glossop Line, SEHS extended. At least the ECML gets flying scotsman and voralberg the vectron plus the Azuma and Talent (with awful sounds), admittedly locked behind the deluxe edition.
Low effort, low enthusiasm, low expectations. I've played into DTG's scams for far too long (only two years) and I've finally had enough. My wallet is happy today, it's over.
I agree.
So basically a massive L
They didnt do athe class 800 because they didn't have access to one in the designing process and there are some differences. They couldn't do lumo as they don't stop at Peterborough nor Doncaster so it wouldn't work with the route, and hull trains don't stop at Peterborough but just Doncaster so there really isn't a point unless it gets extended in the future like they did with south Eastern high-speed. Also the class 803 run by lumo doesn't have a deisel engine and it fully electric it does have batteries tho which means the cab would need to be changed but it is for limp home only
Class 91 could come with a future road map with class 800
Given the cost of living crisis in many places today, this just kicks the player in the guts yet again. I would say DTG are targeting those new to the game both on PC and console, whose goodwill they haven't already obliterated with the shonky, copy and paste development. If you buy, you should realise you're opting into being a beta tester until the next "patch/update" is sold as TSW5. What a dumpster fire this is. 11:19
The Class 142's horn is a decent instrument.
As for the cost-of-living crisis, I completely understand if people cite that as a reason for not buying this game. Not everyone has enough disposable income for things like TSW.
@@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga Not a smart time to be asking people to shell out extra doubloons, just adds another reason, on top of TSW4 being totally unnecessary, for people to vote with their wallets this time around.
A note on the Austrian route. The OBB 4024 uses completely inaccurate sounds from a talent 2 which is completely inaccurate and sounds nothing like a talent 1. I shouldn't be suprised
Trust Dovetail to royally screw up with the sounds AGAIN. I just hope someone will make a mod pack that fixes the sounds, but that shouldn't be left for the community to fix.
Why even bother with TSW if dovetail just screws it all up, along with FOUR games that all cost 30 - 40 dollars. Just go back to fricking TS, it’s better and even though the same price, is better, the DLCs are cheap, and plus you have more freedom in the game
@@TheTrainspotterFromTaurangathey literally were not allowed access the locomotive irl,not their fault
Could you do a rewiew on Simrail ?
Correct me if im wrong but, Didnt you say not long ago, you wanted longer routes in game, rather than short and linear routes? Now that antelope has been released thats quite a long route, you are now saying, that its too long
Thats kind of a nitpick not gonna lie man.
And you're not wrong. But I do have a limit of what I consider too be too long of a route (70 - 80 miles).
@@TheTrainspotterFromTaurangajust ignore these haters they can't accept opinions
Direct To Garbage presents: Train Sim World 4: Same Game, New Name
It isn't really a new name; all they did was change a number.
@@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga That's really as much effort we can expect from DTG.
London overground route is only 13miles wtf
Perfectly said , this "game" should have just been a update for tsw3. but i guess they wanted to squeeze more money out of ralfans i guess
I agree with everything you say we're will it stop . I suppose if people buy this why shouldn't they cash in and not care about there loyal customers.
Which I don't think they care about. As long as they make money forget everyone else
Welcome to the TSW community lol we’ll complain that routes should be longer and then complain again when their made longer 😂
It's disappointing how we didn't get a class 91 or an Amtrak Genesis. Seriously how did we get an F125 before the highly requested Amtrak Genesis
This would've been a great opportunity to include more Amtrak rolling stock, since the only equipment from them that we have in the game is the ACS-64 (Ph. 5 plus 662's Ph. 3), Acela Express, the Amfleet coaches and Metroliner cab-car. No where near enough, if you ask me.
I've also noticed that the Vectron has the Siemens logo - if you can call it that, on the front of it. And no other Siemens locomotive in Tsw such as the Acs-64 and 182 have that logo
I would also add the SC-44 charger or the dash-8
I would have liked to seen The P42 Genesis type included
All I've been wanting since TSW1 are nyc subway routes.
Don’t forget, this is a TRAIN sim not a subway sim, if you want that get subway sim., yes I am aware of the bakerloo line existing but that’s an iconic route due to it having the oldest regular service subway trains (to my knowledge)
Boring!
Wrong. :)
It actually is a Money Grab Sim 😅
@@WaschiXtreme they won't make the NYC subway due to the difficulty of attaining the assets required.
Why the hell do they think they need to release an identical version to a game we already have, only with a few minor alterations?! They truly should give it a more accurate title and bring the price down by a large amount before I even CONSIDER purchasing it.
this is the same thing they pulled with TSW 2 and later TSW 3, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember them claiming they wouldn't keep jumping to new titles, and that those previous games were "necessary due to the core improvements made", but the part where I have a hard time understanding is how every other game made with UE4 has been updated, improved, and continued down the same path under the same titles. At this point, DTG is literally not even trying to make improvements, but just take our money year after year
ok.... tsw1 alright tsw2 ok? tsw3.... tsw4 BURN IN HELL. no but seriously couldn't DTG use their brains and just add all the updates to tsw2 I'd even prefer some add-ons every week but no. instead they are literally reusing sounds from train simulator 2020 and also when the feck is the ac route for the 387 and 377 and coming? and also DTG cant even make a route that uses both AC and DC (except for the 395) irl and they cant even get the flipping rough motor speed. 1 to 5 mph right for the 377,387 and 800 and also not to mention there is a
bunch of missing liverys for the 387/377 such as great northern,greater angelia, heathrow, great western and Thames links like the least they could do is make a AC and DC route for the 377. anyways sorry for yapping so much
When I saw the announcement everything made sense: that's why TSW2 was so buggy, because they rushed with TSW3 and now... after getting TSW3 just to be able to get the expansions that would never come to TSW2 they announce TSW4... oh boy.. maybe Dovetail needs a signal from community? I'm not going to buy TSW4, never.
only thing i’d buy it is because of the free roam
I think York to Newcastle would have been better because there are way more railway companies and options that run on that section than Peterborough to Doncaster. Such as TransPennine Express, Grand Central, CrossCountry etc.
We still want livery’s for the 166 in TSW3!!!!
Whst we neef is the full ecml Edinburgh to London and vice versa
I told you this a million times it's unrealistic and it won't happen ever.
They should've added Indian Pakistani or Japnese routes so we can get the diversity for like 4 games it's just train sim west
Why don’t they add the Sintra line in Portugal or the metro or even the cascias line..
that's licensing. But you could create it in the pc editor
@@potatoman451 requires game development knowledge and years of time
Trainz does this as well release a new game with hardly new features.
But at least with TSW4 you have a route editor so you can make a steam era route using the modern ones I don't mind BR era route as long we got a good selection if steam engines not just reskin of ones we already have
Speaking of Trainz, I bought TRS2019 last year in the hope of making my own Thomas episodes. Now I see no reason to upgrade to Trainz 22 or whatever it's called.