Janet didnt even want to be a singer. She wanted to study business law but her dad made her do it after he heard her singing . He dictated what music she sung..By the time she was making her Control album she fired her dad as her manager. She gained CONTROL of her career and in some ways other parts of her life. I think Janet is close with her mom but her dad I dont think none of the Jackson kids had a close bond with him in the emotional sense. Hes those old school dads who disciplined but wasn't emotionally available. At the same time I think he was respected and Janet said he meant well but I think how he went about it wasnt ideal in some areas. He made them all call him Joe except the child he had with his mistress. Plus I dont know if youre aware of the abuse he made MJ go through mentally and physically. All the Jackson kids but MJ esp was abused. The dad has denied it was that bad. He said he was just disciplining. MJ has spoken about how his dad would tell him he had a big nose and didnt get his looks from his side of the family
I never understand when people complain a song is too long. If a song is good, you want more of it, you put it on repeat, and you enjoy it. Imagine dancing in a nightclub in the 80s to that beat in WHYDFML. You would not want that groove to end.🕺 You definitely have the TikTok brain sorry 😄. Great reaction anyway.
I was 16 when this album came out and it was an instant favorite. It's one of those albums you play beginning to end... non-stop... over and over again. You are right when you say Janet is as much a visual artist as she is with her music. It was the era of MTV and she was one of a few that dominated the latter half of the 80's.... with her brother of course. IMO, she was the best female dancer of the 80's and probably of all time. Most of us watched her videos just for the dancing. As she released each successive album, her videos became more elaborate and were always dance tutorials, lol. She is an amazing entertainer. A little trivia... Paula Abdul (of American Idol fame) was Janet's choreographer for the Control album and she has a cameo in What Have You Done Fore Me Lately and When I Think of You... look for her when you watch the music videos.
My best friend and I used to watch the Pleasure Principle video over and over to get down those dance moves. Janet is an amazing dancer! Realize that your first time listening to this music, you are sitting in a chair. We were not. We were on our feet (or skates) dancing. Gen X music had a different purpose from Gen Z's: movement. We had TV shows that played music, had performances, allowed us to watch people dancing to the music, while we danced along (American Bandstand, Soul Train, Solid Gold). I understand that you are listening in a completely different context, so the long dance breaks are lost on you.
@@jjjones8609 Yeah and most modern songs wouldn't know a bridge to save their lives, lol. I think the problem is is that many producers today aren't musicians.
@@jonathangill6584 The Tik-Tok generation can't deal with anything that lasts over 3 min. I hope their Love Life lasts longer than their current music :)
Yeah she was only 19 when she released this, her father Joe Jackson produced her last 2 albums and was her manager but she didn't even want to sing at first, she fired her father and that's when her career actually took off, and no, she was not close with her father and truth be told that man was horribly emotionally physically abusive to them especially to Michael, and she even made a song talking about him and missing out on love as a child called You Need Me but it isn't on an album she was close with her mother though.
@@Anaabella-ey1 that's not our story to tell but she love and respect her father no matter what but since Joseph is no longer here we not gonna keep on bringing up the past we shouldn't be judging people of what they did in their lifetime because none of us isn't perfect and none of us didn't asked to be here
Nowhere did I say she didn't "love" her father I'm not Janet I'm just saying what everybody knows already who knows their history and it's relevant to the creation of this album, just answering his questions as to how their relationship was then, just saying how it is, period.
As a Janet fan...I just want to make sure to highlight that as you listen to her albums from this point on that, Janet explored her sexuality through music specifically in a song toward the end of each album for a stretch...Let's Wait Awhile is the first, then Someday is Tonight, Anytime, Anyplace, Rope Burn, Would You Mind, Moist, Discipline...Its a multi-decade, multi-album theme.
Length of songs: There was less output of music back then so songs were generally longer. Even extended versions were released. Janet has songs that are 7 minuted long. It’s meant for you to groove to it. Its a vibe
All credit to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis for being the amazing production team that they are. They came out of the Prince camp. They had done a few projects before, but when Control came out, everyone knew who they were.
Prince also had songs in almost 10 minutes in album 1999. I think it is a common way for 80's music producer to repeat or do a long song. But the groove and produce change is still worth attention. A song is not just the singing part.
Janet has some of the best production of any female artist. The Control album was good, but her 3 masterpieces were Rhythm Nation, Janet and the Velvet Rope. The Janet album is my personal favorite.
It'd be great to see you follow up the album with a reaction to the videos from it. That's one of the primary ways people received this album at the time and Janet, along with Madonna and her brother, Michael, and Prince and George Michael were pop soloists who were very much multimedia artist with their music videos and who were often redefining the medium with each video release. Pleasure Principle is, for me, Janet's greatest track AND her greatest video. The fact that there's a generation gap here in terms of experiencing how pop music is crafted now vs how it was crafted 40ish years ago makes sense. Nowadays pop music structures change drastically structurally for every part of the song (think the brilliant Chappelle Roan - verse, bridge, and chorus all sound dynamically different. Just to pick one artist who I think has mastered the structure of modern pop). It makes sense that an era where pop songs were getting longer - the club extended mixes invented in the 70s were impacting thr album cuts lengths in the 80s - while the construction of pop didn't feature the "every segment is a total shift in structure" feature of 2020s pop... it makes sense that many young listeners would experience those differences in a notably distinct way. I don't go in for punching down generationally for differences that amount to young people developing within a different construction. It's totally fine to note and it's great to discuss what's happening and why we think it might have changed, but - unless the change is about something that has an inherent moral implication - then it's good to stay away from applying value judgments. In this case, the changes in how pop is built and how that causes different experiences is not a plus or a minus inherently. It isn't superior to "sit in a groove" for a long time in and of itself. It's just different. There are historical industry trend reasons for those differences and it's good to understand that those differences are tied to larger trends and take that into account. But there isn't a right or wrong there. From my viewpoint. It'd be lovely if it was maybe less of an obstacle for the audience and the reactor to align their enjoyment across, but... that's just not always possible. And it's also okay. Hopefully we're here not to just mirror one another but open one another up via a nostalgia/discovery trip together. Thank u for this reaction. Again I'd love to see you follow an artist like Janet and an album like Control up with the videos in separate reactions. And I'd love to see you react to the next album Rhythm Nation as well. Liked and shared.
I have reacted to the music videos on Patreon (spoiler: I loved them!), but TH-cam keeps blocking my content so they may have to stay there. Thanks for the comment!
It's so sad how musiic today is so bad and good music is considered repetitive. I guess you had to be there. We were having too much fun dancing to pay attention.
Never realised how much Funny How Time Flies resembles The Lady In My Life, the tempo. Edit.. I never heard Janet moan like that itill now, certainly not in 1986 when puberty hit me hard at 15.....
You should do the first two albums. The sounds in those two catapulted into the making of this album. The length remedy is imagination in context. For the next album, watch the movie Rhythm Nation in addition to the album. The albums, "Design of a Decade" and "20 Y.O." marked 10 and 20 years from the "Control" album. "Design of a Decade" is a compilation of hits with 2 new songs, "Runaway" and "Tewnty Foreplay," both worth reacting to, in my opinion. "20 Y.O." album is a completely new album.
Clearly it's definitely a generational thing because this generation, your generation are used to short minute songs. Y'all are Gen Z or Y tik tok babies so of course you're complaining about a song being too long and repetitive and repeating the chorus over and over towards the end of a song. But when a song is GREAT, maybe even good you don't mind a repeat of the chorus. It's nothing worse than me hearing a great song and it's short as hell... Like two, barely 3 minutes.
If you don't like long songs, then I would advise you NOT to listen to older music because any music in the 90's and BEFORE that is 3 to 4 minutes long. Sometimes it's 5 to 6 minutes LONG! If your patients are that short, clearly it is, and attention span that short then don't listen to older music. Stick to tik tok songs with their 2 seconds snippets because this is not for you. But don't constantly complain about it when doing reactions because you already know older music, it's a full song. Not a minute song... You're definitely gonna turn some viewers off with that attitude and constantly complaining about how long a song is when you should know this if you are doing reactions videos. Maybe you don't care?! Not our business if you don't?! However, Learn to do research on the artists and albums, songs you're gonna react to before doing a video.
Imagine the consensus if he were to listen to the songs of the disco era? LOL. I mean "I Feel Love" by Donna Summer, arguably the most successful disco era dance song, is 7 minutes of burgeoning electronic dance music and all she says virtually through the whole thing is those three songs.
A unique and annoying thing is that for both "Control" and "Rhythm Nation," there'd often be three versions of the song: the album version, the radio edit, and the video mix. Though I had the album, I would go to the record store to buy what I thought was the video mix, but it was often just a shortened version of the album cut. “When I Think of You,” “Control,” “Pleasure Principle” “Alright,” and “Love Will Never Do” were given video mixes that were shortened but often have different production values than the album or released single. To be fair, Expose and Jody Watley would do this too.
The album is very production driven so you’re right about that. The production was different from other POP Songs out that time. Tbh the album target audience were for young people who were into r&b and hiphop. The album crossed over into mainstream because Pop radio were paying attention to black radio at the time and they liked what they heard from Janet. It’s the reason this album catapulted Janet into superstardom after first two albums not doing great. If you’re someone into lyrics and not grooves you will like her other albums better which are actually not long like this one. This album was a hot seller and had critical acclaim because it sounded different from everything out that time. It was funky, groovey, hip, cool,youthful but still overall conceptual telling a coming of age story with so much personality (sassy, assertive and witty).
Loved this album as a teen! That being said, I’m giving you a thumbs down for complaining about songs being too long. Now let me send this album to my 22 year old so, he gets why this time was so special
This was Janet’s breakthrough album. After her first two failed to do much, although I do love the tracks “Young Love” and “Say You Do”. But A&M records had faith in her and turned her over to executive John McClain who set out to reinvent her with a new image and an all new sound. He set her up with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis who were with a band called The Time, and had worked with Prince. Janet’s father , who had been her manager was fired by her, and Jam and Lewis flew her out to Minneapolis where the three of them collaborated, on the lyrics and music after Janet shared with them what was going on in her life. All of her albums after this was based on what was going on in her life at the time.
It really is generational re: long songs. LOL. The biggest reason for longer songs is to give the actual musicians an opportunity to do their thing. Since there are very few actual musicians and yall are trained on the inane TikTok nowadays, you've been trained on loops rather than musicianship. We failed y'all, in truth it's all good though. it's good that you're exploring the Queen. too many kids don't pay proper homage.
No, there isn't a music video for each one. But the one's that do have a video (Control, Pleasure Principle, Nasty, Let's Wait Awhile, What Have You Done for Me Lately) are pretty iconic. She hits another level of "music video" starting with her Rhythm Nation album. I think you should watch them (or other "80's Artists") that put out music videos with each single release. If you go on Wikipedia, it will list the singles of each album, and when they were released, and the music videos will have come out in that order, too.
Sir I don't know what you are talking about. This is one of the greatest albums of all time. This project was nominated for Album Of The Year at the Grammys in 1987 for a reason.
I understand your reaction to the length and extended instrumental breaks. This album was as much a production showcase for Jam & Lewis as it was a breakthrough statement album for Janet. Her albums moving forward are much lighter on the extended breaks.
You should react to her Dream Street album anyway even though it's her father's production. That is her voice in He Doesn't Even Know That I'm Alive. "I'm not a prude. I just want some respect. So close the door if you want me to respond. Cuz privacy is my middle name. My last name is control. No, my first name ain't baby. It's Janet, Ms. Jackson if you're nasty!"
Being that songs today are about 2 minutes long and repetitive with no lyrical content or any vocal talent. Music use to be about the production the instrumentation the lyrics and the delivery. There’s so much production on those records you cant comprehend. What made Janet stand out from other female artist was her high production level her story telling in her lyrics her delivery of the lyrics and of course her videos and her electric live performances!!! The Control album is revered as one of the most influential and groundbreaking albums and has been referenced by everyone from Mariah Carey, Alisha Keys, Pink, Britney Spears, Janelle Monet!! It’s a classic album!! You don’t get it because you don’t get this era of music.. Every single off this album was a top five hit and the album was nominated for Album of The Year at the Grammy’s. Janet was in a class all to her self!!
This is the first album she worked with Jimmy jam and terry Lewis after they was fired by prince because they was writing and producing songs for other people like i didn't mean to turn you on by cherelle which you listen to the Mariah Carey version from glitter which also featured the same beat
@jacobreacts love seeing you discovering the 80s and 90s !!!! I hipe one day you will do the same as Control album with RHYTHM NATION 1814 (janet's most amazing album , 7 released songs from that one album were all ranked in the top 5 on the Hot100 billboard chart, a record still to this day, 4 of those 7 singles were #1 )
You also need to keep in mind that these were club songs and DJs mixed live with vinyl records, so these longer outros were good for transitioning between songs. And for those that are saying it's an age thing, I am in my 30s and been a Janet fan my whole life but I still think some of these songs ARE a tad too long. Janet herself doesn't even perform the full versions!
The breakdowns aren't just for the performer but for the audience who listen to the music. You younger people don't understand how we listened to music. Ha
Kool review. Can’t wait for you to get to the Velvet Rope. You’re gonna flip?!! No long dance breaks/songs. Fire lyrics and music prod is otherworldly. As far as song length tho, albums were about the music as much as the artist during those times. With that, I understand how you feel; some of the songs I skip ahead once the extra dance breaks come on lol; but I do enjoy it all. Her vids are everything. Rhythm Nation has lyrics for yo arse; but on the album some songs are long too. U may wanna do the vids first
Gen Zs and their short attention spans complaining about songs being too long. 🙄 My generation actually DANCED! And not for likes and clicks on TikTok. Im talking straight out dance battles and routines in clubs or family functions. So we need a record longer enough to groove out. It was very common in the 80s and 90s for song tracks on albums to be longer than 3 minutes.
All of the breaks in her songs are not dance breaks. As you said- the music is so good. Like the saying goes now "let it cook". That's what songs don't do now - cook. Yes your generation but also most of us now want it now, to the point, and move on. There is no understanding if sitting in a groove. Taylor Swift could never. Janet, Jam and Lewis come from that era of crafting a full song, not a 3 minute song to be cut up into tik tok or Instagram videos. It's to take a journey. Because again - the music is good, the production is so groovy. You just gotta learn to vibe ☺️
A few thought: first this is my favourite album of all time, although I have to admit that having not listened to it from start to finish I forgot how much fun it is. I generally genuinely enjoy your reactions, but I do gotta get on ya for your Tik Tok attention span for real. Reacting to 80s music is gonna be painful for you if you have no patience lol. The songs were not necesassrily constructed for visuals, even though videos were of course a thing back then. These were for dancing to. If you had gotten up and danced around the room as I did as I watched your reaction, you would have just enjoyed them more I feel...these were big hits in clubs and cookouts all over, even here in Barbados. Plus this is soul/r&b..very black music so you gotta be able to connect with that fundamental part of yourself that repsonds to rhythm to connect with this.
We need a time machine, and place you in a 1980's DANCE CLUB and then all the dance beats will bring some reference to your reviews! Because your 3 min song limit is not appropriate for 1980's Music . . . People under 35 just don't "Get It" . . . These records where made for "Club Play and the Dance Floor" . . . "Not For The Tik-Tok " Generation! So glad I grew up in the 1980's when it was cool to dance, stay in shape and Enjoy Life and not sit around and complain 24/7 . . . . and become overweight . . . Long songs are cool, if you are a DANCER! If you are not a DANCER . . . Karen Carpenter might be more your Style!
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Commenting as I listen- no these songs were not made "for live performance and dance breaks and music videos". Songs were structured to be good songs. A lot of lyrics does not always constitute a good song. I hope you listen to these albums again as you are doin stuff not just sitting down. Generally we listen to music while active with something. Anywho.
Really enjoying the reactions and your taste in music, but I have to say the song length complaints just take me out of it and make me enjoy it less. It’s like complaining that a black and white movie isn’t colorful enough, or that the special effects in a movie from the 60s don’t look real. But also, given that you KNOW songs from this time period were longer (both for danceability and to make them easier to latch onto on the radio), repeating it as a critique of a bunch of albums from the 80s and 90s gets REALLY old, really fast. To some extent, these things have to be digested with an understanding of the time in which they are made. It’s one thing to have your own preference for song length, but to rate the music lower because simply because you’re used to the 90 second songs of the last 5 years just seems bizarre given that you know all of these songs will be longer.I know you’re probably sick of hearing about it at this point, but I feel like slightly adjusting your approach will make you like the music more, but also stop all of the comments about Tik-Tok brain lmao. Seriously though, otherwise loving the reactions and the artists you’re choosing, just think you should expand your thinking about how to digest older music.
I think you're totally right, without the music videos the music doesn't really hold up for Janet (or Madonna, or Paula Abdul, or Michael Jackson). Their albums alone just aren't how they were meant to be experienced, and I can't hear any of these singles without also picturing the video, especially "Nasty"! Anyway, it's still great to see younger generations discovering the music that raised mine.
You can't judge or critique an album created in 1986 using the parameters of albums produced almost 40 years later. I do understand how you feel as a younger person listening to it today and making a reference about the length of the songs and gaps in the song without lyrics is understandable. But, these videos you create are for subscribers to watch. Make a note that as much as this issue irritates you and doesn't make sense to you, complaining of the same issue constantly and with as much emphasis as you are putting on it is just as irritating... to the point that we lose interest in watching. Just my opinion and I know you're just being honest without malice. Janet was 19 when she recorded the album and the demographic was the same age. That's what the people that like her music wanted. You'd probably be horrified to know that there were continuous play albums by most "dance-music" artists created with extended versions of their dance hits mixed together in one long non-stop album... Example: Madonna "You Can Dance", Jody Watley "You Wanna Dance With Me?", etc. Also, a lot of the music of the 70's including the disco era was structured the same. 10 minute long rock Jam sessions and live albums. Most disco music were 7 minute songs that had long periods of instrumental dance music so people could dance to them. Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" which is considered by most to be the first EDM song made was a 6 minute dance song with only a handful of words flanked by "I feel Love" and long expanses of disco club driving music. All of her songs were like that...Last Dance, MacArthurs Park, Dim All The Lights, On The Radio, because that was her demographic. Hey, you should critique Donna Summer album On The Radio.
I'm a huge Jackson family fan but I agree.. Sometimes their music is exhausting to listen to.. It rarely bothers mee but sometimes I just have to skip after they repeat themselves for the 10th time or have long chaotic music breaks.. Lol
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Janet didnt even want to be a singer. She wanted to study business law but her dad made her do it after he heard her singing . He dictated what music she sung..By the time she was making her Control album she fired her dad as her manager. She gained CONTROL of her career and in some ways other parts of her life.
I think Janet is close with her mom but her dad I dont think none of the Jackson kids had a close bond with him in the emotional sense. Hes those old school dads who disciplined but wasn't emotionally available. At the same time I think he was respected and Janet said he meant well but I think how he went about it wasnt ideal in some areas. He made them all call him Joe except the child he had with his mistress. Plus I dont know if youre aware of the abuse he made MJ go through mentally and physically. All the Jackson kids but MJ esp was abused. The dad has denied it was that bad. He said he was just disciplining. MJ has spoken about how his dad would tell him he had a big nose and didnt get his looks from his side of the family
That was her voice! You weren’t “hearing” things. She hit that high note.
I never understand when people complain a song is too long. If a song is good, you want more of it, you put it on repeat, and you enjoy it. Imagine dancing in a nightclub in the 80s to that beat in WHYDFML. You would not want that groove to end.🕺
You definitely have the TikTok brain sorry 😄. Great reaction anyway.
Exactly. You just groove to the song
I was 16 when this album came out and it was an instant favorite. It's one of those albums you play beginning to end... non-stop... over and over again. You are right when you say Janet is as much a visual artist as she is with her music. It was the era of MTV and she was one of a few that dominated the latter half of the 80's.... with her brother of course. IMO, she was the best female dancer of the 80's and probably of all time. Most of us watched her videos just for the dancing. As she released each successive album, her videos became more elaborate and were always dance tutorials, lol. She is an amazing entertainer. A little trivia... Paula Abdul (of American Idol fame) was Janet's choreographer for the Control album and she has a cameo in What Have You Done Fore Me Lately and When I Think of You... look for her when you watch the music videos.
My best friend and I used to watch the Pleasure Principle video over and over to get down those dance moves. Janet is an amazing dancer!
Realize that your first time listening to this music, you are sitting in a chair. We were not. We were on our feet (or skates) dancing. Gen X music had a different purpose from Gen Z's: movement. We had TV shows that played music, had performances, allowed us to watch people dancing to the music, while we danced along (American Bandstand, Soul Train, Solid Gold). I understand that you are listening in a completely different context, so the long dance breaks are lost on you.
Under 30’s folks are just trained to digest music in tiny snippets. Not settle into a groove. Just a product of modern production is all.
I came here for this comment. So many songs today are less than 3 minutes
Also a lot of songs are just chorus or 90% chorus.
More like a product of "Tit-Tok" . I call them the Tik-Tok Generation . . . .
@@jjjones8609 Yeah and most modern songs wouldn't know a bridge to save their lives, lol. I think the problem is is that many producers today aren't musicians.
@@jonathangill6584 The Tik-Tok generation can't deal with anything that lasts over 3 min. I hope their Love Life lasts longer than their current music :)
I love Let's Wait Awhile. This was my favorite song as a kid.
LOL be prepared for a lot more of "what did I just hear?" from Janet's songs. LOL
Yeah she was only 19 when she released this, her father Joe Jackson produced her last 2 albums and was her manager but she didn't even want to sing at first, she fired her father and that's when her career actually took off, and no, she was not close with her father and truth be told that man was horribly emotionally physically abusive to them especially to Michael, and she even made a song talking about him and missing out on love as a child called You Need Me but it isn't on an album she was close with her mother though.
@@Anaabella-ey1 that's not our story to tell but she love and respect her father no matter what but since Joseph is no longer here we not gonna keep on bringing up the past we shouldn't be judging people of what they did in their lifetime because none of us isn't perfect and none of us didn't asked to be here
Nowhere did I say she didn't "love" her father I'm not Janet I'm just saying what everybody knows already who knows their history and it's relevant to the creation of this album, just answering his questions as to how their relationship was then, just saying how it is, period.
Just wait until he listened to the janet (1993) album which is her longer album 🤣🤣🤣
As a Janet fan...I just want to make sure to highlight that as you listen to her albums from this point on that, Janet explored her sexuality through music specifically in a song toward the end of each album for a stretch...Let's Wait Awhile is the first, then Someday is Tonight, Anytime, Anyplace, Rope Burn, Would You Mind, Moist, Discipline...Its a multi-decade, multi-album theme.
If is my jam!
Length of songs: There was less output of music back then so songs were generally longer. Even extended versions were released. Janet has songs that are 7 minuted long. It’s meant for you to groove to it. Its a vibe
All credit to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis for being the amazing production team that they are. They came out of the Prince camp. They had done a few projects before, but when Control came out, everyone knew who they were.
Janet's music for me is all about beat and tempo dancing for me is the name of game not too mention one of my favorite artist's
And definitely one of the first conceptual autobiographical pop albums ever !!! So good ❤love Janet in control era. ❤❤❤
I still remember when this album came out in 1986. Control was on MTv and VH1 constantly! 😅
Prince also had songs in almost 10 minutes in album 1999. I think it is a common way for 80's music producer to repeat or do a long song. But the groove and produce change is still worth attention. A song is not just the singing part.
Janet has some of the best production of any female artist. The Control album was good, but her 3 masterpieces were Rhythm Nation, Janet and the Velvet Rope. The Janet album is my personal favorite.
I agree with this 100%. I was getting ready to say the same thing. Best 3 she ever made.
It'd be great to see you follow up the album with a reaction to the videos from it. That's one of the primary ways people received this album at the time and Janet, along with Madonna and her brother, Michael, and Prince and George Michael were pop soloists who were very much multimedia artist with their music videos and who were often redefining the medium with each video release.
Pleasure Principle is, for me, Janet's greatest track AND her greatest video.
The fact that there's a generation gap here in terms of experiencing how pop music is crafted now vs how it was crafted 40ish years ago makes sense. Nowadays pop music structures change drastically structurally for every part of the song (think the brilliant Chappelle Roan - verse, bridge, and chorus all sound dynamically different. Just to pick one artist who I think has mastered the structure of modern pop). It makes sense that an era where pop songs were getting longer - the club extended mixes invented in the 70s were impacting thr album cuts lengths in the 80s - while the construction of pop didn't feature the "every segment is a total shift in structure" feature of 2020s pop... it makes sense that many young listeners would experience those differences in a notably distinct way.
I don't go in for punching down generationally for differences that amount to young people developing within a different construction. It's totally fine to note and it's great to discuss what's happening and why we think it might have changed, but - unless the change is about something that has an inherent moral implication - then it's good to stay away from applying value judgments. In this case, the changes in how pop is built and how that causes different experiences is not a plus or a minus inherently. It isn't superior to "sit in a groove" for a long time in and of itself. It's just different.
There are historical industry trend reasons for those differences and it's good to understand that those differences are tied to larger trends and take that into account. But there isn't a right or wrong there. From my viewpoint.
It'd be lovely if it was maybe less of an obstacle for the audience and the reactor to align their enjoyment across, but... that's just not always possible. And it's also okay. Hopefully we're here not to just mirror one another but open one another up via a nostalgia/discovery trip together.
Thank u for this reaction. Again I'd love to see you follow an artist like Janet and an album like Control up with the videos in separate reactions. And I'd love to see you react to the next album Rhythm Nation as well.
Liked and shared.
I have reacted to the music videos on Patreon (spoiler: I loved them!), but TH-cam keeps blocking my content so they may have to stay there. Thanks for the comment!
In regards to the songs being “too long”, that’s how it was back in the day!
It's so sad how musiic today is so bad and good music is considered repetitive. I guess you had to be there. We were having too much fun dancing to pay attention.
Never realised how much Funny How Time Flies resembles The Lady In My Life, the tempo. Edit.. I never heard Janet moan like that itill now, certainly not in 1986 when puberty hit me hard at 15.....
You should do the first two albums. The sounds in those two catapulted into the making of this album. The length remedy is imagination in context. For the next album, watch the movie Rhythm Nation in addition to the album. The albums, "Design of a Decade" and "20 Y.O." marked 10 and 20 years from the "Control" album. "Design of a Decade" is a compilation of hits with 2 new songs, "Runaway" and "Tewnty Foreplay," both worth reacting to, in my opinion. "20 Y.O." album is a completely new album.
I’ve done the first, it’s on the channel! Skipped the second because everyone advised me to
Clearly it's definitely a generational thing because this generation, your generation are used to short minute songs. Y'all are Gen Z or Y tik tok babies so of course you're complaining about a song being too long and repetitive and repeating the chorus over and over towards the end of a song. But when a song is GREAT, maybe even good you don't mind a repeat of the chorus. It's nothing worse than me hearing a great song and it's short as hell... Like two, barely 3 minutes.
If you don't like long songs, then I would advise you NOT to listen to older music because any music in the 90's and BEFORE that is 3 to 4 minutes long. Sometimes it's 5 to 6 minutes LONG! If your patients are that short, clearly it is, and attention span that short then don't listen to older music. Stick to tik tok songs with their 2 seconds snippets because this is not for you. But don't constantly complain about it when doing reactions because you already know older music, it's a full song. Not a minute song... You're definitely gonna turn some viewers off with that attitude and constantly complaining about how long a song is when you should know this if you are doing reactions videos. Maybe you don't care?! Not our business if you don't?! However, Learn to do research on the artists and albums, songs you're gonna react to before doing a video.
Imagine the consensus if he were to listen to the songs of the disco era? LOL. I mean "I Feel Love" by Donna Summer, arguably the most successful disco era dance song, is 7 minutes of burgeoning electronic dance music and all she says virtually through the whole thing is those three songs.
very excited for your reaction to rhythm nation 1814 aka janet's fourth album!
So cute!! I truly love the wedding dance breaks! Truly babe
I was in 8th grade acting like I’m all grown up and calling my own shots! 😂
A unique and annoying thing is that for both "Control" and "Rhythm Nation," there'd often be three versions of the song: the album version, the radio edit, and the video mix. Though I had the album, I would go to the record store to buy what I thought was the video mix, but it was often just a shortened version of the album cut. “When I Think of You,” “Control,” “Pleasure Principle” “Alright,” and “Love Will Never Do” were given video mixes that were shortened but often have different production values than the album or released single. To be fair, Expose and Jody Watley would do this too.
The album is very production driven so you’re right about that. The production was different from other POP Songs out that time. Tbh the album target audience were for young people who were into r&b and hiphop. The album crossed over into mainstream because Pop radio were paying attention to black radio at the time and they liked what they heard from Janet. It’s the reason this album catapulted Janet into superstardom after first two albums not doing great. If you’re someone into lyrics and not grooves you will like her other albums better which are actually not long like this one. This album was a hot seller and had critical acclaim because it sounded different from everything out that time. It was funky, groovey, hip, cool,youthful but still overall conceptual telling a coming of age story with so much personality (sassy, assertive and witty).
Loved this album as a teen! That being said, I’m giving you a thumbs down for complaining about songs being too long. Now let me send this album to my 22 year old so, he gets why this time was so special
Glad to see you enjoy music from my era, Jacob. Back in the day, Janet was "Da Woman"!
this album is pure gold
Check out the videos for this album.
I have on Patreon! Made me appreciate the album
This was Janet’s breakthrough album. After her first two failed to do much, although I do love the tracks “Young Love” and “Say You Do”. But A&M records had faith in her and turned her over to executive John McClain who set out to reinvent her with a new image and an all new sound. He set her up with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis who were with a band called The Time, and had worked with Prince. Janet’s father , who had been her manager was fired by her, and Jam and Lewis flew her out to Minneapolis where the three of them collaborated, on the lyrics and music after Janet shared with them what was going on in her life. All of her albums after this was based on what was going on in her life at the time.
Facts!
It really is generational re: long songs. LOL. The biggest reason for longer songs is to give the actual musicians an opportunity to do their thing. Since there are very few actual musicians and yall are trained on the inane TikTok nowadays, you've been trained on loops rather than musicianship. We failed y'all, in truth
it's all good though. it's good that you're exploring the Queen. too many kids don't pay proper homage.
No, there isn't a music video for each one. But the one's that do have a video (Control, Pleasure Principle, Nasty, Let's Wait Awhile, What Have You Done for Me Lately) are pretty iconic. She hits another level of "music video" starting with her Rhythm Nation album. I think you should watch them (or other "80's Artists") that put out music videos with each single release. If you go on Wikipedia, it will list the singles of each album, and when they were released, and the music videos will have come out in that order, too.
I love love love Janet!
Sir I don't know what you are talking about. This is one of the greatest albums of all time. This project was nominated for Album Of The Year at the Grammys in 1987 for a reason.
I understand your reaction to the length and extended instrumental breaks. This album was as much a production showcase for Jam & Lewis as it was a breakthrough statement album for Janet. Her albums moving forward are much lighter on the extended breaks.
You should react to her Dream Street album anyway even though it's her father's production.
That is her voice in He Doesn't Even Know That I'm Alive.
"I'm not a prude. I just want some respect. So close the door if you want me to respond. Cuz privacy is my middle name. My last name is control. No, my first name ain't baby. It's Janet, Ms. Jackson if you're nasty!"
Let's wait awhile is about sex
Being that songs today are about 2 minutes long and repetitive with no lyrical content or any vocal talent. Music use to be about the production the instrumentation the lyrics and the delivery. There’s so much production on those records you cant comprehend. What made Janet stand out from other female artist was her high production level her story telling in her lyrics her delivery of the lyrics and of course her videos and her electric live performances!!! The Control album is revered as one of the most influential and groundbreaking albums and has been referenced by everyone from Mariah Carey, Alisha Keys, Pink, Britney Spears, Janelle Monet!! It’s a classic album!! You don’t get it because you don’t get this era of music.. Every single off this album was a top five hit and the album was nominated for Album of The Year at the Grammy’s. Janet was in a class all to her self!!
That was her voice on HDKIA. You should've gone back to listen to what you talked over 😄
Control album is timeless and one of the best pop albums ever created just next to Micheal’s thriller in my opinion ❤
This is the first album she worked with Jimmy jam and terry Lewis after they was fired by prince because they was writing and producing songs for other people like i didn't mean to turn you on by cherelle which you listen to the Mariah Carey version from glitter which also featured the same beat
YES!
If you're worried about Janet's songs being too long. They'll get shorter by Damita Jo. But you have got to get through her staple albums!
I REFUSE! YOU LOVED IT! I STILL LOVE YOU!!!!
I broke furniture trying to replicate Pleasure Principal video dance moves back then.
YOU HAVE TO WATCH THE VIDEOS OF THOSE SONGS !!! espexially THE PLEASURE PRINCIPLE !!!!!
I’ve watched them all! It made me appreciate the songs so much more
@jacobreacts love seeing you discovering the 80s and 90s !!!! I hipe one day you will do the same as Control album with RHYTHM NATION 1814 (janet's most amazing album , 7 released songs from that one album were all ranked in the top 5 on the Hot100 billboard chart, a record still to this day, 4 of those 7 singles were #1 )
You also need to keep in mind that these were club songs and DJs mixed live with vinyl records, so these longer outros were good for transitioning between songs.
And for those that are saying it's an age thing, I am in my 30s and been a Janet fan my whole life but I still think some of these songs ARE a tad too long. Janet herself doesn't even perform the full versions!
39:56 I’m pretty sure that is actually her voice
For the videos, you need to watch Nasty, When I Think Of You, and The Pleasure Principle.
I’ve watched all of the videos and it made me love the songs! My reactions to the videos are Patreon exclusive though because YT always blocks them 😭
The breakdowns aren't just for the performer but for the audience who listen to the music. You younger people don't understand how we listened to music. Ha
Kool review. Can’t wait for you to get to the Velvet Rope. You’re gonna flip?!! No long dance breaks/songs. Fire lyrics and music prod is otherworldly. As far as song length tho, albums were about the music as much as the artist during those times. With that, I understand how you feel; some of the songs I skip ahead once the extra dance breaks come on lol; but I do enjoy it all. Her vids are everything. Rhythm Nation has lyrics for yo arse; but on the album some songs are long too. U may wanna do the vids first
watch pleasure principle video. very iconic. and when I think of u video
I’ve watched all the videos on Patreon! It made me love the songs
@@jacobreacts :-)
Gen Zs and their short attention spans complaining about songs being too long. 🙄 My generation actually DANCED! And not for likes and clicks on TikTok. Im talking straight out dance battles and routines in clubs or family functions. So we need a record longer enough to groove out. It was very common in the 80s and 90s for song tracks on albums to be longer than 3 minutes.
Do you plan to react to the song's videos also?
I have! It’s on Patreon
All of the breaks in her songs are not dance breaks. As you said- the music is so good. Like the saying goes now "let it cook". That's what songs don't do now - cook. Yes your generation but also most of us now want it now, to the point, and move on. There is no understanding if sitting in a groove. Taylor Swift could never. Janet, Jam and Lewis come from that era of crafting a full song, not a 3 minute song to be cut up into tik tok or Instagram videos. It's to take a journey. Because again - the music is good, the production is so groovy. You just gotta learn to vibe ☺️
Recommended album: Dusty Springfield 'Brand New Me' (1970). Clocks in under 26 minutes.
Jacob listen to Janet first 2 albums, they're good. Don't listen to whoever is telling you not to. They don't know good music
I’ve listened to the first one, it’s in my channel!! Everyone told me to skip the second 🤒
A few thought: first this is my favourite album of all time, although I have to admit that having not listened to it from start to finish I forgot how much fun it is. I generally genuinely enjoy your reactions, but I do gotta get on ya for your Tik Tok attention span for real. Reacting to 80s music is gonna be painful for you if you have no patience lol. The songs were not necesassrily constructed for visuals, even though videos were of course a thing back then. These were for dancing to. If you had gotten up and danced around the room as I did as I watched your reaction, you would have just enjoyed them more I feel...these were big hits in clubs and cookouts all over, even here in Barbados.
Plus this is soul/r&b..very black music so you gotta be able to connect with that fundamental part of yourself that repsonds to rhythm to connect with this.
You should check out “Nasty - Cool Summer Mix /Part 1” … totally different vibe
We need a time machine, and place you in a 1980's DANCE CLUB and then all the dance beats will bring some reference to your reviews! Because your 3 min song limit is not appropriate for 1980's Music . . .
People under 35 just don't "Get It" . . . These records where made for "Club Play and the Dance Floor" . . . "Not For The Tik-Tok " Generation! So glad I grew up in the 1980's when it was cool to dance, stay in shape and Enjoy Life and not sit around and complain 24/7 . . . . and become overweight . . . Long songs are cool, if you are a DANCER! If you are not a DANCER . . . Karen Carpenter might be more your Style!
Well back then we liked long songs. Your generation has the attention span of a nit and that’s OK times were different. Then we really enjoyed it.
Music videos sold the albums in the 80s
Completely agree! I reacted to the MVs on Patreon shortly after and loved it so much more
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do Whitney's My Love Is Your Love album next,....
I want him to listen to her whole catalog
@@kevaunmitchell1316 I do as well but I think he would enjoy that album
@@TheRealEli717 he will
Commenting as I listen- no these songs were not made "for live performance and dance breaks and music videos". Songs were structured to be good songs. A lot of lyrics does not always constitute a good song. I hope you listen to these albums again as you are doin stuff not just sitting down. Generally we listen to music while active with something. Anywho.
Invite to studio again. See what its like
Check out Alicia Keys full album called Diary of Alicia Keys
Really enjoying the reactions and your taste in music, but I have to say the song length complaints just take me out of it and make me enjoy it less. It’s like complaining that a black and white movie isn’t colorful enough, or that the special effects in a movie from the 60s don’t look real.
But also, given that you KNOW songs from this time period were longer (both for danceability and to make them easier to latch onto on the radio), repeating it as a critique of a bunch of albums from the 80s and 90s gets REALLY old, really fast. To some extent, these things have to be digested with an understanding of the time in which they are made.
It’s one thing to have your own preference for song length, but to rate the music lower because simply because you’re used to the 90 second songs of the last 5 years just seems bizarre given that you know all of these songs will be longer.I know you’re probably sick of hearing about it at this point, but I feel like slightly adjusting your approach will make you like the music more, but also stop all of the comments about Tik-Tok brain lmao. Seriously though, otherwise loving the reactions and the artists you’re choosing, just think you should expand your thinking about how to digest older music.
Lol how is there no melody it’s over of her Jose critical acclaimed albums
You should do a Jackson family week
I think you're totally right, without the music videos the music doesn't really hold up for Janet (or Madonna, or Paula Abdul, or Michael Jackson). Their albums alone just aren't how they were meant to be experienced, and I can't hear any of these singles without also picturing the video, especially "Nasty"! Anyway, it's still great to see younger generations discovering the music that raised mine.
I’ve watched the videos, and I agree! It makes the album so much more enjoyable!
You can't judge or critique an album created in 1986 using the parameters of albums produced almost 40 years later. I do understand how you feel as a younger person listening to it today and making a reference about the length of the songs and gaps in the song without lyrics is understandable. But, these videos you create are for subscribers to watch. Make a note that as much as this issue irritates you and doesn't make sense to you, complaining of the same issue constantly and with as much emphasis as you are putting on it is just as irritating... to the point that we lose interest in watching. Just my opinion and I know you're just being honest without malice. Janet was 19 when she recorded the album and the demographic was the same age. That's what the people that like her music wanted. You'd probably be horrified to know that there were continuous play albums by most "dance-music" artists created with extended versions of their dance hits mixed together in one long non-stop album... Example: Madonna "You Can Dance", Jody Watley "You Wanna Dance With Me?", etc. Also, a lot of the music of the 70's including the disco era was structured the same. 10 minute long rock Jam sessions and live albums. Most disco music were 7 minute songs that had long periods of instrumental dance music so people could dance to them. Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" which is considered by most to be the first EDM song made was a 6 minute dance song with only a handful of words flanked by "I feel Love" and long expanses of disco club driving music. All of her songs were like that...Last Dance, MacArthurs Park, Dim All The Lights, On The Radio, because that was her demographic. Hey, you should critique Donna Summer album On The Radio.
I'm a huge Jackson family fan but I agree.. Sometimes their music is exhausting to listen to.. It rarely bothers mee but sometimes I just have to skip after they repeat themselves for the 10th time or have long chaotic music breaks.. Lol
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