When she gave her reason as to why she felt happy about the deaths : "um yes because my mum doesn't have to deal 30:43 with me um being like you know suicidal and she doesn't 30:50 have to wake up worrying every morning see if i'm still alive 30:56 um and my sister doesn't have to go through the heartbreak and just be emotions and stuff" I don`t buy her answer at all. I belive she saw her mother and sister as obstacles that had to be removed. I`ve been struggling with mental illness since the age of 18, and I`m 34 now. When I`m in a dark period, (form me) my anger and sadness it`s never external only internal. We all deal with thoughts and feellings differently, and we have different backgrouds. Try not to feel ashamed when you`re asking for help. I`m still finding it hard to do that, but it get`s a bit easier once you`ve started. Much love to all from Sweden 🙂❣
This is the two that klled her mum,the two on the thumbnail nail are who killed his step sister . Him and his girlfriend killed Beck Watts ,his step sister,I don't know why I they have them on the thumbnail . The story of the two on this thumbnail are on this channel ,just look for that picture on the thumbnail.
one of Beyond's best docu series so far. tastefully done and with competent experts who provide interesting insights into the case. the original recordings of the killers also provide much more authenticity than scripted retellings. so it's pretty sad that one of their best shows is getting the least amount of attention on this TH-cam channel. makes you think if most people are only watching true crime shows to satisfy their voyeuristic and sensationalist urges. so they prefer documentaries which are more flashy and driven by a dramatized narrative. out of respect for the victims i'd rather prefer those documentaries which are treating the subject matter more seriously. greetings from germany :)
@@julietarossetti7426that's Nathan Matthews and Shauna Hoare who murdered Matthews' stepsister Becky Watts. Totally different case, so a cock up on the thumbnail.
Totally agree with prof Wilson about why they did it, she wanted it done, he wanted her , they both say so separately, she needs help and obviously struggling mentally! also Not sure how professor Brooke’s thinks different, and its not uncommon for women to use men to do things like this So he taking utter bollocks in my opinion
@@owenwadders3689 these people are professors of criminal psychology/psychology. All I'm saying is that they're probably in a better position to understand these individuals than you or I. For the record, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I think he's looking at the case from a slightly different direction to Wilson. The way I considered his opinion was that Lucas was the one who persistently knocked on the window to get Kim to let him in. Had he not done that, would she still have wanted it to happen? Also, Lucas effectively has all the power. If he'd refused to do it himself, then it's doubtful Kim would have committed the murders. He's also correct in saying that it's not usually that common for the female, particularly one so young, to be the dominant partner. That said, on the balance of things I personally agree that Kim is the driving force. She almost knew that he would do what she asked, or that he'd volunteer to kill the sister. She had the opportunity to end it by telling him she'd changed her mind. However, as Brookes says, who's to say that Lucas wouldn't have killed Katie even if Kim said she didn't want her sister dead? I think he's right about us not knowing the full story about the motivation behind the murders, or the actual conversations they had in planning it. Perhaps you could argue that neither of them were 100% right. That's what I enjoy about these documentaries, these psychologists don't always agree.
@@Nightopian1982 fair enough, yes your right of course, they are in a better position and far more qualified than I, it was my opinion and I disagree with the professor, on this one, I’ve no doubt they are right most of the time, sometimes tho I think they are wrong!
It's not strange they didn't leave the crime scene, where were they going to go? They were kids with no money, no driver's license, etc. Edit the one doctor is showing his bias, unwilling to allow for the girl to be equally culpable, yet she not only didn't stop him, she told him to go ahead. He's just biased in favour of the female simply for being female...
Both kids are monster 😢. People survive and become successful in Life even though they have abusive parent.Having enjoy life without respecting parents....having sex at such young age...😢the rest of their story behind bar 👍
Luke also believed himself to be ugly and thought he never could get a girl like Kim. played a role in wanting to please Kim not to lose her. Kim might have seen this herself, and used Luke.
Just a pair of immature, selfish brats who as the judge said, 'lived in a fantasy world where only their feelings mattered'. Many think that after a time inside, the dawning realisation of what they've done will probably hit home, particularly for her.
Very drawn out, lowering the interest markedly. You're up against things like Jim Can't Swim now, so you can't rely on interviews with "professionals" to amp up the insight. So boring, I'm out at 15:00
I enjoy seeing the different reasonings people come up with, as to why killers do what they do. There is a multitude of reasons. I believe many factors have to fall in place. Brain imbalance as well as maltreatment would both be present in some forms. Perception is 9/10ths the law in a person's mind. When Drs have differing opinions, that's when it is most interesting. It seems punishment isn't a deterant so much anymore. Maybe bcuz consequences aren't in their lives to begin with??🤔🤨🤧 #ivelostlovestomurder
I spend so much time FF the video these people talk to much it’s like there are 8 year olds watching and they break it down for the 8 y old to under damn
When she gave her reason as to why she felt happy about the deaths :
"um yes because my mum doesn't have to deal
30:43
with me um being like you know suicidal and she doesn't
30:50
have to wake up worrying every morning see if i'm still alive
30:56
um and my sister doesn't have to go through the heartbreak and just be emotions and stuff"
I don`t buy her answer at all. I belive she saw her mother and sister as obstacles that had to be removed.
I`ve been struggling with mental illness since the age of 18, and I`m 34 now. When I`m in a dark period, (form me) my anger and sadness it`s never external only internal. We all deal with thoughts and feellings differently, and we have different backgrouds. Try not to feel ashamed when you`re asking for help. I`m still finding it hard to do that, but it get`s a bit easier once you`ve started.
Much love to all from Sweden 🙂❣
wrong tumbnail, those 2 killed becky
Who is Becky? Which case are you speaking on? Pls share a link...TY
@@Curious-Irish-Angel it's the case of Becky Watts
This is the two that klled her mum,the two on the thumbnail nail are who killed his step sister .
Him and his girlfriend killed Beck Watts ,his step sister,I don't know why I they have them on the thumbnail .
The story of the two on this thumbnail are on this channel ,just look for that picture on the thumbnail.
@@Curious-Irish-Angel u wil get it in "that chapter" channel
@@VeamStream the BBC did a special program on it.
one of Beyond's best docu series so far. tastefully done and with competent experts who provide interesting insights into the case. the original recordings of the killers also provide much more authenticity than scripted retellings.
so it's pretty sad that one of their best shows is getting the least amount of attention on this TH-cam channel. makes you think if most people are only watching true crime shows to satisfy their voyeuristic and sensationalist urges. so they prefer documentaries which are more flashy and driven by a dramatized narrative. out of respect for the victims i'd rather prefer those documentaries which are treating the subject matter more seriously.
greetings from germany :)
The thumbnail is very confusing
They're not even serial killers
Yes, in that it doesn't depict Edwards & Markham; it makes me pretty dubious about the content here.
@@julietarossetti7426that's Nathan Matthews and Shauna Hoare who murdered Matthews' stepsister Becky Watts. Totally different case, so a cock up on the thumbnail.
@@Nightopian1982 That's precisely what I was saying...?
@@julietarossetti7426 sorry I wasn't having a dig. I was just pointing out who they actually are.
@@Nightopian1982 No worries, I didn't take your comment as hostile!
That picture is wrong. Those two are Nathan Mathews and shauna hoare, they murdered Becky Watts.
Totally agree with prof Wilson about why they did it, she wanted it done, he wanted her , they both say so separately, she needs help and obviously struggling mentally! also Not sure how professor Brooke’s thinks different, and its not uncommon for women to use men to do things like this
So he taking utter bollocks in my opinion
I think these people are better qualified than you to draw such conclusions.
@@Nightopian1982 yet you make a conclusion or assumption about me knowing what?
@@owenwadders3689 these people are professors of criminal psychology/psychology. All I'm saying is that they're probably in a better position to understand these individuals than you or I. For the record, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I think he's looking at the case from a slightly different direction to Wilson. The way I considered his opinion was that Lucas was the one who persistently knocked on the window to get Kim to let him in. Had he not done that, would she still have wanted it to happen? Also, Lucas effectively has all the power. If he'd refused to do it himself, then it's doubtful Kim would have committed the murders. He's also correct in saying that it's not usually that common for the female, particularly one so young, to be the dominant partner.
That said, on the balance of things I personally agree that Kim is the driving force. She almost knew that he would do what she asked, or that he'd volunteer to kill the sister. She had the opportunity to end it by telling him she'd changed her mind. However, as Brookes says, who's to say that Lucas wouldn't have killed Katie even if Kim said she didn't want her sister dead? I think he's right about us not knowing the full story about the motivation behind the murders, or the actual conversations they had in planning it. Perhaps you could argue that neither of them were 100% right. That's what I enjoy about these documentaries, these psychologists don't always agree.
@@Nightopian1982 fair enough, yes your right of course, they are in a better position and far more qualified than I, it was my opinion and I disagree with the professor, on this one, I’ve no doubt they are right most of the time, sometimes tho I think they are wrong!
She was definitely the dominant one. Even her choice of movies
It's not strange they didn't leave the crime scene, where were they going to go? They were kids with no money, no driver's license, etc. Edit the one doctor is showing his bias, unwilling to allow for the girl to be equally culpable, yet she not only didn't stop him, she told him to go ahead. He's just biased in favour of the female simply for being female...
That thumbnail is Nathan Matthews and Shauna Hoare... Becky Watts' murderers. Wrong case.
Both kids are monster 😢. People survive and become successful in Life even though they have abusive parent.Having enjoy life without respecting parents....having sex at such young age...😢the rest of their story behind bar 👍
The closed captioning on this series is hilarious!
Luke also believed himself to be ugly and thought he never could get a girl like Kim. played a role in wanting to please Kim not to lose her. Kim might have seen this herself, and used Luke.
I like this channel, but what's with the silence at the start?
Just a pair of immature, selfish brats who as the judge said, 'lived in a fantasy world where only their feelings mattered'. Many think that after a time inside, the dawning realisation of what they've done will probably hit home, particularly for her.
Very drawn out, lowering the interest markedly. You're up against things like Jim Can't Swim now, so you can't rely on interviews with "professionals" to amp up the insight. So boring, I'm out at 15:00
Pic shows Hoare and Mathews??
I enjoy seeing the different reasonings people come up with, as to why killers do what they do. There is a multitude of reasons. I believe many factors have to fall in place. Brain imbalance as well as maltreatment would both be present in some forms. Perception is 9/10ths the law in a person's mind. When Drs have differing opinions, that's when it is most interesting. It seems punishment isn't a deterant so much anymore. Maybe bcuz consequences aren't in their lives to begin with??🤔🤨🤧 #ivelostlovestomurder
It's what many psychiatrists would refer to as the 'perfect storm' of contributing factors.
They were definitely not Britain's youngest killers
thompson & venables & mary bell
They were Britain's youngest double killers, as the papers etc correctly pointed out. Thompson and Venables and Bell killed one victim.
Cutting edge lip sink technology?
Serial killer?
Millie Bobby Brown out here killin people?
Like what like a like horror like story Like.😢
I spend so much time FF the video these people talk to much it’s like there are 8 year olds watching and they break it down for the 8 y old to under damn
Why is that guy dressed like that?
First xxx
🤭😱🤭That folie a deux, pronunciation sounds like he's farting. Please, speak your poor language 🙄 instead of faire le folie du grandeur.😜😂😂😂😂