Really good lesson for adc players - if you are fed or even if you are not join the fights, make yourself part of the game and do not just click bot lane and expect people to hover/play around you. This can fuck the whole tempo on the map and as a rule of thumb around 14min go mid because it is way easier to protect you being in the shorter mid lane and you give your support freedom to roam to both sidelanes rather than just bot to mid.
Well, it depends right. You should John the fights *when you are there* and *when it is a good fight*. If it isn't a good fight you should not join. If volibear wasn't coming that was probably not going to work and it would be better to play safe like he did, and you have to know that and play accordingly. Moreover, as a scaling carry you have to be super careful about giving up farm to just randomly skirmish. In my experience most people fight too much rather than too little, cause players just like fighting for the sake of fighting. As to rotating mid - notice that veigarv2 made a point of saying that it is good because his mid is ekko, who likes being in a sideline, and had tp, and that Kai'Sa was strong and so want to be part of the game. All of that is very relevant. If you take mid from your 5/0 Syndra you are really damaging your teams ability to snowball and your mids ability to win the game for you. I play a lot of mages mid and it's often very frustrating when the ADC forces me to sidelane in losing matchups, essentially ruining my game for no reason other than being selfish and not thinking.
ALthough the clips are quite instructive, I think the tone is not the best (dont know if you know each other). At some point it felt like the student just shut out and said yes and no in a frightened way.
Yeah I very much agree with this, it is a main reason why I am hesitant buying coaching (not just from veigarv2 but others too). I have had a similar experience where the coach was just downright rude, calling me bad and a bitch etc nonstop and it just doesn't work at all for me. Maybe it works for some other people. Veigarv2 is extremely knowledgable about the game but there is no reason coaching should be confrontational.
@@theWebWizrd I think absolutely it should, to a certain degree at least. Of course, if you feel personally attacked, the coach probably messed up. The thing is that many people who play this game are super lazy with their approach to the game, and with some people that buy coaching, it quickly becomes apparent that they like the idea of becoming a better player but they don't actually want to put in the effort. If you're a good coach, you'll try to provide them the service they paid for and if that means having to kick them a little bit to make them realize that what they do in the game does actually matter, so be it. You also gotta keep in mind that veigar is a pro coach, so in his workfield, confrontation is literally a necessity to make significant progress a lot of the time. But I would say that getting coaching from him probably makes the most sense once you're masters and above. The good thing is, there are plenty of coaches out there that have sessions uploaded to youtube and you can just pick one with a tone that you vibe with.
@@theWebWizrd I think it should be at some point, but you have to build a relationship to say some rude things. If there is no relationship between the coach and the student, you have to choose a more formal way to be helpful
@@Qyr3 I think it's very dependent on the person being coached. Some people or even a lot of people respond well to rudeness/adversity and it might even be necessary to very aggressively challenge their inherent biases and blindspots so that you can rebuild their concept of the game. What immediately comes to mind are people who are hardstuck bronze and insist that they play really well but get bad teammates every game and that Riot wants them to be bronze. Other people don't respond well to that at all and just get hurt or angry and will just clam up, not get anything out of the coaching and then quit. To be coached is inherently a vulnerable position, and for me for example I can't allow myself to be vulnerable talking to someone who is essentially bullying me (in my case). I think a really good coach should be able to interpret who they are dealing with and act accordingly. Veigar v2 seems like a good coach so hopefully that is part of what is going on here and he'd dea with someone like me very differently.
why would anyone play that in soloQ? even LS (the creator) says not to. it's rare enough for your team to need solo AP bot damage, let alone rare enough for games to last long enough for it to become useful AND for your team to play accordingly, as well as your early game being completely horrible.
damn you really do a whole psychological analysis based on how they click to move, incredible
Really good lesson for adc players - if you are fed or even if you are not join the fights, make yourself part of the game and do not just click bot lane and expect people to hover/play around you. This can fuck the whole tempo on the map and as a rule of thumb around 14min go mid because it is way easier to protect you being in the shorter mid lane and you give your support freedom to roam to both sidelanes rather than just bot to mid.
Well, it depends right.
You should John the fights *when you are there* and *when it is a good fight*. If it isn't a good fight you should not join. If volibear wasn't coming that was probably not going to work and it would be better to play safe like he did, and you have to know that and play accordingly. Moreover, as a scaling carry you have to be super careful about giving up farm to just randomly skirmish. In my experience most people fight too much rather than too little, cause players just like fighting for the sake of fighting.
As to rotating mid - notice that veigarv2 made a point of saying that it is good because his mid is ekko, who likes being in a sideline, and had tp, and that Kai'Sa was strong and so want to be part of the game. All of that is very relevant. If you take mid from your 5/0 Syndra you are really damaging your teams ability to snowball and your mids ability to win the game for you. I play a lot of mages mid and it's often very frustrating when the ADC forces me to sidelane in losing matchups, essentially ruining my game for no reason other than being selfish and not thinking.
ALthough the clips are quite instructive, I think the tone is not the best (dont know if you know each other). At some point it felt like the student just shut out and said yes and no in a frightened way.
Yeah I very much agree with this, it is a main reason why I am hesitant buying coaching (not just from veigarv2 but others too). I have had a similar experience where the coach was just downright rude, calling me bad and a bitch etc nonstop and it just doesn't work at all for me. Maybe it works for some other people. Veigarv2 is extremely knowledgable about the game but there is no reason coaching should be confrontational.
@@theWebWizrd I think absolutely it should, to a certain degree at least. Of course, if you feel personally attacked, the coach probably messed up. The thing is that many people who play this game are super lazy with their approach to the game, and with some people that buy coaching, it quickly becomes apparent that they like the idea of becoming a better player but they don't actually want to put in the effort. If you're a good coach, you'll try to provide them the service they paid for and if that means having to kick them a little bit to make them realize that what they do in the game does actually matter, so be it. You also gotta keep in mind that veigar is a pro coach, so in his workfield, confrontation is literally a necessity to make significant progress a lot of the time. But I would say that getting coaching from him probably makes the most sense once you're masters and above.
The good thing is, there are plenty of coaches out there that have sessions uploaded to youtube and you can just pick one with a tone that you vibe with.
@@theWebWizrd I think it should be at some point, but you have to build a relationship to say some rude things. If there is no relationship between the coach and the student, you have to choose a more formal way to be helpful
@@Qyr3 I think it's very dependent on the person being coached.
Some people or even a lot of people respond well to rudeness/adversity and it might even be necessary to very aggressively challenge their inherent biases and blindspots so that you can rebuild their concept of the game. What immediately comes to mind are people who are hardstuck bronze and insist that they play really well but get bad teammates every game and that Riot wants them to be bronze.
Other people don't respond well to that at all and just get hurt or angry and will just clam up, not get anything out of the coaching and then quit. To be coached is inherently a vulnerable position, and for me for example I can't allow myself to be vulnerable talking to someone who is essentially bullying me (in my case).
I think a really good coach should be able to interpret who they are dealing with and act accordingly. Veigar v2 seems like a good coach so hopefully that is part of what is going on here and he'd dea with someone like me very differently.
amazing content, thank you!
15:20 the power of confidence
as adc you need big pp to click on enemy not away thats how you win
sick vid
Whats the programm you use to write ?
epic pen
Ty
Bro is otp kaisa and not playing exodia build 💀
why would anyone play that in soloQ? even LS (the creator) says not to. it's rare enough for your team to need solo AP bot damage, let alone rare enough for games to last long enough for it to become useful AND for your team to play accordingly, as well as your early game being completely horrible.
@@jinnyyxy LS says it comes active at 2 items no? thats not late
@@Tetronoid 3 items