That poor girl. Man, she just wanted to fix Liz's phone, having a small chit-chat and go about the rest of her day. She didn't expect to be hit with a strange conversation that would make her feel worthless and distract her while she was trying to do her job. Now she'll be super insecure about her skills.
oh my God was just a conversation, hopefully people dont get thrown off as easily in real life by a stranger. You need some spine if you want to make it in life
@@carlosparra8976 some people would, some adolescents would, young adults would, some people who already feel like they don’t any direction would, people with little self esteem would believe strangers…
I love how they chose an actress with similar features to Holmes to play the Apple Genius girl. It shows how both characters are a mirror image of one another. By talking down to the girl, Holmes is projecting her own frustrations and anxieties about where her life is headed. Though she is condescending toward the girl about having no aim, Holmes is just as stranded as her.
But weirdly, I don’t think she necessarily meant to talk down to her in that moment. I think she was trying to express that it must be nice not having any dreams or expectations because if “do well in life”, that’s amazing. You’ve done it! However, if you didn’t, well, you didnt have any plans or goals in place so what were you expecting? There shouldn’t be any added pressure to meet a goal. You’re free to do what you want. Also success becomes rather vague in this sense now which can be good or bad. Are you happy? Can you feed, cloth yourself, take care of basic needs but may be not society’s idea of “success”? Well you technically could still be successful. But for those who constantly have an idea of what success should be for them at least and have an end goal, especially type A people, that can be daunting. I feel like she was just stream of consciousness more than actually having a conversation. Sorry for the long winded paragraph
@@RenM908 true. thought the same. the sad truth about being a genius or having ambition is that it makes you vulnerable to fail in your own eyes. people who don't possess that are free from such pressure
@@RenM908 i know right. i don't think she was being mean on purpose tbh. the hustle culture was destroying her too and she was reflecting, wishing she doesn't have ambition or pressure so then she wouldn't have to fraud people and try to be this huge figure she's trying to be and failing. she sounds out of it and stressed out more than condescending tbh. the audience took it the wrong way bcs it's THEM who thinks not having a dream is somekind of an insult, which it's not. which again, reflects the hustle culture we're brainwashed in
I don't get the point of this conversation. Maybe the apple employee just hasn't found their calling yet. There's nothing wrong with that and that doesn't mean she never wants to do anything "important" with her life. Not to mention, "important" is subjective.
This is such an accurate depiction of working retail. Customers come in with their personal baggage all the time & at least half of people see retail employees as NPC therapists lol. You’ll be like “Hello! :) how can I help you!” And they’ll be like “Oh, you know. Sigh. My sister hooked up with my husband’s brother’s boyfriend and it caused a rift in the family.” And you’re like “Wow, I’m sorry to hear that! Your order is ready. I hope things go okay!”
I feel like that defiantly less than half.. most people don’t care and would hope to get help with the least amount of interaction as possible bc that’s inconvenient people just love to dramatize the retail live. Suck it up
So true. One customer told me he was accused of incest with a minor. Another one that he had a brain tumor. Another one that he was getting sued. Like bitch I don't care I have shit to do. Go be toxic somewhere else, I don't get € 60 an hour to be your therapist. NPC therapist is a good one though lol
This should be shown to proof that in a stress environment employees do not thrive. That the (passive ) agressive bullying of customers , colleagues and bosses influence quite negatively their workcapacities & results.
@@sam8192 I don’t think she purposefully did it though, that’s the point. I don’t know if she’s sociopathic, but she doesn’t really understand human emotion or interactions. That’s why she practices in the mirror and had a hard time talking with the girl in this clip.
@@bitmes2910 It's the same vibe because Elizabeth is a psychopath. Psychos don't feel remorse. She didn't feel bad about making the girl cry and she didn't try to comfort her in anyway. The girl was clearly in agony, suffering emotionally and all Elizabeth did was stare at her
They did a pretty amazing job of recreating an Apple Store in 2007-2008. The shirts appear accurate. There is one iMac in the background that’s not period accurate, but still.
What a strange thing to say. It's completely appropriate considering that version came out late 2007, early 2008. You're thinking of the previous years'.
@@velcro-is-a-rip-off, no, I’m not. That’s definitely not a mid-2007 style model in the background, it doesn’t have a bezel and it has a 16:9 aspect ratio.
I remember being around 20 and thinking I had to be something huge, that I had to matter, that I needed to play a huge role in the world. I eventually got a taste of reality and then after some introspection, realized on a long enough time scale...no one matters at all. It was freeing, not having all that pressure on me. I guess if you don't get that early enough, you end up like this. That need to feel important can consume a person
I love Liz's face around 1:52 as the girl is freaking out. She just stares, wide-eyed and fascinated by this emotional outburst that she absolutely does not understand. Like she's at the zoo.
Amanda Sygfried is studying intently - the Apple Guru's dialogue and breakdown word-for-word, inflection-for-inflection is repeated by her later in a board room meeting where she is under attack and wants to show she was vulnerable. This indicatively demonstrates the divorce of reality is such that even emotional outbursts are acts. If one is embroiled in lies for too long, one forgets how to show emotion.
The point of the scene is actually in the next one; Elizabeth gets called in by the board who is about to fire her for her misconduct, and she repeats this woman’s apology in an attempt to appear remorseful. It’s quite brilliant.
Ok but this is literally so true. I have a friend who is comfortable working a boring job and didn’t really care what is was, just wanted a good job. She now own a beautiful brand new house, a car, a dog, etc. And no stress. I however, have always suffered from what my husband call a« change the world syndrome ». Always had to have meaning to what i do, always had impossible dreams and business ideas to « make a difference ». I live in a crappy apartment and still have tons of student debts, have an anxiety disorder and burned out many times. I wish i didn’t care.
I understand your "syndrome", that is how I live - either I will do something meaningful or almost nothing, I struggle a lot with things that are "easy". By the way that seems common for people on the autism spectrum, especially undiagnosed women - you can look into it if you're interested, my life changed for the better after self-diagnosis (after a big burnout and severe year of anxiety). I wish you good luck and lot of fulfillment, take care ❤️
Sounds ore like ADHD to me.women with ADHD either have great success or are broke af.Im still struggling though I manage to make money.but I'm 40 and I still live in a rented apartment and barely no savings. I just want money I don't care if I change the world.most of us don't really and it's almost never a one person's work.
My headcanon is she did it on purpose as a clapback and then gave Elizabeth a taste of her own manipulative medicine. Never fuck with a retail employee who basically tells you to your face they don’t really care about their job.
Yeah but that girl could get in trouble Karen's like our Lizzy would have destroyed her and tell her manager all of that , that girl could have lost her job. I doubt she would do it on purpose also because she seemed sweet
Am I the only one here thinking that Holmes didn't actually mean it as an insult? It may sound like it but it might also just be her awkward and socially inept self being genuine. It really seemed to me like she was honestly fascinated and marveled at the simple concept that a person could be just that, a person, with no precise ambition or dream, just going with the flow. Unlike her who's haunted by the fear of never accomplishing anything important in her life, prisonner of her own mind. This is the very opposite of the American mindset which is to be evermore productive, hence why she can't quite grasp the notion I think.
Yes!! I sometimes can be brutally honest as well. It comes across as insulting but my mind is actually on overdrive. I’ve learned to just not say anything to people because I can see they get defensive
i'm autistic and that's exactly how i interpreted it too. i was very confused by all the comments saying that this was evil, cruel, malicious etc and that she crushed her soul with those words or whatever. i don't know anything about the real person but i relate a lot to this fictionalized version of her.
Though I have not said it to others, I have always thought we don't actually matter. What's that going to change about the universe? Just live, do what you want. Some are just content doing 9 to 5 jobs, go home to their families in a one bedroom apartment, eating normal food, sleep and repeat. In short, I totally get what Holmes was trying to say
I think she felt jealous too. But she characterized the girl's life in a pretty insulting way. She basically said her life didn't have any importance to the world because she doesn't want to make any change in the world.
This show is not just a dramatization of Elizabeth Holmes but it’s an indictment against hustle culture. These people become toxic Edit: 99% she did it on purpose
Before: Elizabeth smashed this phone dozen times on her office table until the screen was broken. Then she asked her secretary to make an appointment in this shop.
I know what she said was meant as an insult, but honestly, with the perception of positive nihilism, its not a bad thing do not want to do anything important at all. Its completely freeing and normal to just go with the flow and be "just a person". Its a totally Taoist thing to do, which is chill as fuck, soooo....really the sad sack of a human here is elizabeth 🤷♀️ can't get what she wants but is so desperately trying to force despite her incompetence and lack of remorse for other people. Sounds stressful, pointless, and not at all rewarding
Ikr people wanna do great shit partly because of their self absorbed nature, they wanna feel important and great about themselve, like they've made it, they achieved something if you think about it it's only about the ego. Ego free people don't want to prove shit to the world and live their lives , it's the desire to prove that you're worthy and important drives humanity to compete with each other and achieve "success"
@@bw4348 that is so sad that people will do these little but damaging things, discreetly, to someone who told them what they did not want to hear. Very sad and harsh reality of life.
I don't think that was an insult, she just pharsed it like shit. Your life is so simple and carefree if you don't have some big ambition that you're constantly stress over...
Cuz nobody wants to hear they are not ambitious. We are programmed from childhood by our parents to have some sort of ambition, otherwise we could become a failure
i agree, i don't think this was supposed to be mean because i relate a lot to this character (not the actual person she's based on but this fictional version of her) and i often say mean things without meaning to too. most of those thoughts that i voice i feel and experience as neutral, as emotionally detached curiosity and fascination, and it just doesn't occur to me that it could hurt someone's feelings.
Agreed. For about four years now, I've been trying to improve my writing skills on hopes of becoming a horror novelist one day. I like the idea a lot, but I was much less stressed about my future before I started constantly mapping out countless plot details in my head to get my projects "just right". Still haven't even finished the draft for my main project. Having OCD doesn't help. Ups and downs.
The fact that she said she is scared b/c she doesn’t know what she wants to do w/ her life negated what Liz was saying. If she didn’t care about her choices mattering she wouldn’t be afraid she would be indifferent about her life choices.
Psychopaths are for sure like that. Psychopaths are born. Sociopaths are made. Psychopaths tend to be more composed and calculating - allowing them to blend more easily.
@@Bloooo95 problem with most tv shows (Like Netflix’s “You” for example) is they always blend the two symptoms of psychopathy and sociopathy together when it’s not like that in real life. I would also consider Elizabeth a psychopath.
Well, yes. Sociopath here, I would not call most of my emotions real. I'm kind of in recovery though, so I can feel a bit, but I always end up getting annoyed with emotions and question if I'm just masking, which I partly, of course, am.
Having worked in sales.. yes it wouldn't faze me. As a naturally antisocial person I just used different personalities depending on the customer so I'd just be indifferent or say "that's deep" and move on with my work.
I like how this scene manages to establish a bunch of things about Elizabeth. Aside from being eccentric and insensitive, it illustrated her being so much of a fraud that even she was convinced that she's unlike others who have human sentiments and material wants. Like here she's so into explaining how nothing will matter but when all her files got deleted, they did matter a lot to her. Sad how she lacked sincerity, even with herself.
During this scene i really conected with her, sometimes i really envy people that doesn't seem to care about anything, like i wish i knew how to live the moment.
Poor girl. It’s bad enough Liz put her down and made her feel worthless. But once she looked back up at her computer screen, she realized that she messed up and felt even worse.
Amanda seyfried said right . Even she bagan chasing her dream since 11-15 years now she is among the greatest actors of all the time . She is very brilliant and much thoughtful in her life. Even her parents were supportive . Though their parents were therapists both Amanda and her sister got into entertainment field . Many parents discourage their children for achieving goals. To be Frank Amanda seyfried is astounding she is absolutely beautiful
I have only 1 ambition, and that's to glide though life and do the bare minimum to keep myself alive, and would laugh in the face of anyone that expects me to do anything differently. I'm a pro at what I do.
That fucking psycho look staring into the abyss gets me every single time XD I just loved this series, definitely one of the best I've seen. She did a great job portraying Elizabeth Holmes.
Working directly with customers can be weird. One time when I worked at a call center there was this guy who tried to figure out where I was from because he couldn't figure out my accent. I tried to keep the conversation on track but he couldn't let it go. He later said that I don't have an accent and then by the end of the call he said I had a city accent... whatever that means lol.
I wish people would realize the fact that this girl, the VILLAIN shares so much in common with “admirable” “strong” characters. She’s an asshole. But in the context of a fictional character, she’s a badass. She only sucks because she’s real, otherwise she’d be like batman. Wolf of wall street, so bad she almost got away with it bullshit.
I think this is a such a common feeling at spme point in time for so many ambitious women. Do you always need a dream? What if your dream ends up trapping you - like E seems to be like in this scene through exhaustion. This is what defending your dream and your ideas of ambition really looks like. I think the last two bits just show how E finds it so tough to comprehend the other person's feelings regarding a failure like this.
I don’t think Elizabeth was deliberately trying to be mean or belittle the girl in this scene. Some people are just very ambitious in life, they have a clear vision for what they want, and sometimes it can be a curse. These types of people have trouble turning off that level of ambition and determination. It can become very stressful and can cause needless suffering because of it. These idealistic people live their lives in the future. Someone with little or no goals in life can just chill and live life moment to moment. They usually set small goals and if they don’t succeed it doesn’t really matter too much, it’s not a big deal to them. They just move on to the next thing and go with the flow. That’s why the Apple girl was thrown off with that “deep” question of “what was your dream as a child?”
The problem is not so much that Elizabeth was ambitious but that she was arrogant and made demeaning claims he could not prove. She “told” the girl that nothing she would do would matter (how does she know this?) simply because she doesn’t have what Elizabeth can perceive to be ambition (the girl could be ambitious in a different way than Elizabeth, and how is Elizabeth so confident that doing something that “matters” requires “ambition”?). It shows Elizabeth’s narcissism perfectly that she made such a strong claim against someone she doesn’t know without realizing the limits of her own perspective or the emotional impact of her words on the other person. The conversation was not merely a misunderstanding, it was antisocial behavior.
@@LordAus123 I don’t think she was being arrogant. She wasn’t trying to demean the Apple girl, she was trying to tell her that there’s no reason to be scared of not having any dreams. If you’re a person who doesn’t have dreams or have clear life goals, then you can basically choose whatever path you want in life. And if whatever you choose doesn’t work out, it won’t really matter or even hurt you that bad. It won’t matter because you weren’t really invested in that path, so it’s not as meaningful. When you become really invested in a goal or vision that you believe is very meaningful, it becomes your entire life. If your dream fails, you fail. Now that is scary. The irony of this scene is that the Apple girl started freaking out and crying over losing the data on the phone, something that doesn’t or shouldn’t have really mattered too much to her. The worst that could happen is she gets fired from a job she regarded as temporary anyways.
I see that the purpose of this scene is for Holmes to make this stranger feel like shit...but would it have been awesome if she purposely deleted all her info and acted like she was really upset...and then when Holmes leave the store upset...the stranger smiled thinking to herself that she did once have a dream to b an actress.
This is classic psychopathy. She psychological destroys some innocent stranger because she feels narcissistic outrage over the fact that she is taller, younger, and prettier than her. She then uses the genuine emotional response of this person for her own benefit, mimicking it at her Board meeting to save herself. This is because psychopaths are incapable of empathy and genuine emotional responses.
Was this scene put in because this was her excuse in court for not having iPhone data before this date? I find it very unlikely that Apple would make it so employees can make this mistake.
To be fair I’ve actually had someone completely erase all my data on my iPhone before at the store however I didn’t know that she made it an excuse so could be.
I had people try to intimate me when I worked at the DMV. No amount theorizing on the dichotomy of "who am I really" got them out paying $80 if they wanted an ID or DL.
I thought this was going to be about apple asking her to buy a new phone for a fixable problem ... or overcharging her for the repair. That would have been accurate.
Even the Apple Store tells you to backup your phone ( to ICloud or your computer) before service. They are never responsible for lost data. Ha ha ha ha.
At first the questions were actually kinda cute, I felt empathy for Elizabeth trying to find comfort in someone else’s experience… it seems like she felt alone in her obsessions about becoming “the next big thing” but then the conversation started to get very manipulative, condescending and egocentric and I got heavily disappointed
In fairness, if someone spoke to me like that, I’d I’ve punched her first, then intentionally deleted everything! “Just a person eh? A person who with the skill to delete everything”
The strained expression on her face and her soft-spoken voice scream: "I'm Anxious and Projecting" so I would've deflected with, "I think we all have those days where nothing we do seems to matter." She could've also given a philosophical counterargument such as, "Yea, it's such an existential conundrum that one person's contribution is rather small in the grand scheme of things."
That poor girl. Man, she just wanted to fix Liz's phone, having a small chit-chat and go about the rest of her day. She didn't expect to be hit with a strange conversation that would make her feel worthless and distract her while she was trying to do her job. Now she'll be super insecure about her skills.
oh my God was just a conversation, hopefully people dont get thrown off as easily in real life by a stranger. You need some spine if you want to make it in life
@@carlosparra8976 some people would, some adolescents would, young adults would, some people who already feel like they don’t any direction would, people with little self esteem would believe strangers…
@@xy3278 and so this becomes a great learning opportunity for them. Nothing happens by chance in life. Stop with the victimhood mentality
@@carlosparra8976 I love you
@@carlosparra8976 please do not defend the karen.
Elizabeth Holmes: "It doesn't really matter. Nothing you do will matter."
*deletes iPhone data*
Apple Employee: "Don't worry, it didn't matter."
OK!? That's what I'm thinking.
That’s what she should have said
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more realistic
this is more genius a comment than most people will fully get. awesome.
I love how they chose an actress with similar features to Holmes to play the Apple Genius girl. It shows how both characters are a mirror image of one another. By talking down to the girl, Holmes is projecting her own frustrations and anxieties about where her life is headed. Though she is condescending toward the girl about having no aim, Holmes is just as stranded as her.
😱 really good point
But weirdly, I don’t think she necessarily meant to talk down to her in that moment. I think she was trying to express that it must be nice not having any dreams or expectations because if “do well in life”, that’s amazing. You’ve done it! However, if you didn’t, well, you didnt have any plans or goals in place so what were you expecting? There shouldn’t be any added pressure to meet a goal. You’re free to do what you want. Also success becomes rather vague in this sense now which can be good or bad. Are you happy? Can you feed, cloth yourself, take care of basic needs but may be not society’s idea of “success”? Well you technically could still be successful. But for those who constantly have an idea of what success should be for them at least and have an end goal, especially type A people, that can be daunting. I feel like she was just stream of consciousness more than actually having a conversation.
Sorry for the long winded paragraph
@Ren M. Don’t apologise for your thoughts.
@@RenM908 true. thought the same.
the sad truth about being a genius or having ambition is that it makes you vulnerable to fail in your own eyes. people who don't possess that are free from such pressure
@@RenM908 i know right. i don't think she was being mean on purpose tbh. the hustle culture was destroying her too and she was reflecting, wishing she doesn't have ambition or pressure so then she wouldn't have to fraud people and try to be this huge figure she's trying to be and failing. she sounds out of it and stressed out more than condescending tbh. the audience took it the wrong way bcs it's THEM who thinks not having a dream is somekind of an insult, which it's not. which again, reflects the hustle culture we're brainwashed in
To be fair, that’s Elizabeth’s fault for distracting the girl with that strange conversation lol
she purposefully did it because Elizabeth said she was a nothing person with no ambition.
@@dannydark1452 you seem to be finding the fortunate one.
@@sam8192 doesn't seem like it... but I agree, I definitely would have done so after that whole spiel.
@@mjak993 she clicked the delete button on purpose...
I don't get the point of this conversation. Maybe the apple employee just hasn't found their calling yet. There's nothing wrong with that and that doesn't mean she never wants to do anything "important" with her life. Not to mention, "important" is subjective.
This is such an accurate depiction of working retail. Customers come in with their personal baggage all the time & at least half of people see retail employees as NPC therapists lol. You’ll be like “Hello! :) how can I help you!” And they’ll be like “Oh, you know. Sigh. My sister hooked up with my husband’s brother’s boyfriend and it caused a rift in the family.” And you’re like “Wow, I’m sorry to hear that! Your order is ready. I hope things go okay!”
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I feel like that defiantly less than half.. most people don’t care and would hope to get help with the least amount of interaction as possible bc that’s inconvenient people just love to dramatize the retail live. Suck it up
@@aleguerrero8199 how is your day going
@@moriarty8668 good
So true. One customer told me he was accused of incest with a minor. Another one that he had a brain tumor. Another one that he was getting sued. Like bitch I don't care I have shit to do. Go be toxic somewhere else, I don't get € 60 an hour to be your therapist. NPC therapist is a good one though lol
Ironically that girl's future is now brighter than Elizabeth's.
This should be shown to proof that in a stress environment employees do not thrive. That the (passive ) agressive bullying of customers , colleagues and bosses influence quite negatively their workcapacities & results.
They know, just don’t care.
she purposefully did it because Elizabeth said she was a nothing person with no ambition.
@@sam8192 I don’t think she purposefully did it though, that’s the point. I don’t know if she’s sociopathic, but she doesn’t really understand human emotion or interactions. That’s why she practices in the mirror and had a hard time talking with the girl in this clip.
@@hoobslice im talking about the apple store worker...
It does. I can say that from experience.
The same vibe a serial killer gives off watching their victims beg for life and knowing they're not going to give it to them.
@@jjr1728 Don't know if that was meant to be a dismissive insult. If it was, can you be a little more personable with your dismissiveness?
@@jjr1728 I don't follow. Must be some generational gap in communication. To use the parlance of MY times, what the fuck are you talking about?
How would you know? Don't insult us.
How is it the same vibe ?
@@bitmes2910 It's the same vibe because Elizabeth is a psychopath. Psychos don't feel remorse. She didn't feel bad about making the girl cry and she didn't try to comfort her in anyway. The girl was clearly in agony, suffering emotionally and all Elizabeth did was stare at her
They did a pretty amazing job of recreating an Apple Store in 2007-2008. The shirts appear accurate. There is one iMac in the background that’s not period accurate, but still.
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What a strange thing to say. It's completely appropriate considering that version came out late 2007, early 2008. You're thinking of the previous years'.
@@velcro-is-a-rip-off, no, I’m not. That’s definitely not a mid-2007 style model in the background, it doesn’t have a bezel and it has a 16:9 aspect ratio.
You talking as if 2007 was centuries ago lmao
I feel like people watch these clips with google up on their phones and magnifying glasses. Like damn just enjoy the show.
I remember being around 20 and thinking I had to be something huge, that I had to matter, that I needed to play a huge role in the world. I eventually got a taste of reality and then after some introspection, realized on a long enough time scale...no one matters at all. It was freeing, not having all that pressure on me. I guess if you don't get that early enough, you end up like this. That need to feel important can consume a person
Elon musk matters, Steve Jobs matters, you’re just a no body who doesn’t matter.
But that didn't answer the question "so if you don't have the ambition then everything you do does not matter, does it ?"
@@mantabsekali920 so If my ambition is sleep, i did the answer. Cause we have a lot ambitions categorys to explore
@@luisfelipe1318 well then everything you do does not matter except sleep. It's pretty meaningless don't you think ?
@@mantabsekali920 Ambition or not, nothing we do matters anyway. We’re all dust in the end
I love Liz's face around 1:52 as the girl is freaking out. She just stares, wide-eyed and fascinated by this emotional outburst that she absolutely does not understand. Like she's at the zoo.
Amanda Sygfried is studying intently - the Apple Guru's dialogue and breakdown word-for-word, inflection-for-inflection is repeated by her later in a board room meeting where she is under attack and wants to show she was vulnerable. This indicatively demonstrates the divorce of reality is such that even emotional outbursts are acts. If one is embroiled in lies for too long, one forgets how to show emotion.
The point of the scene is actually in the next one; Elizabeth gets called in by the board who is about to fire her for her misconduct, and she repeats this woman’s apology in an attempt to appear remorseful. It’s quite brilliant.
I also took the fact that the phone (a metaphor for our whole lives) got wiped, she initiates a clean slate.
Ok but this is literally so true. I have a friend who is comfortable working a boring job and didn’t really care what is was, just wanted a good job. She now own a beautiful brand new house, a car, a dog, etc. And no stress. I however, have always suffered from what my husband call a« change the world syndrome ». Always had to have meaning to what i do, always had impossible dreams and business ideas to « make a difference ». I live in a crappy apartment and still have tons of student debts, have an anxiety disorder and burned out many times. I wish i didn’t care.
I understand your "syndrome", that is how I live - either I will do something meaningful or almost nothing, I struggle a lot with things that are "easy". By the way that seems common for people on the autism spectrum, especially undiagnosed women - you can look into it if you're interested, my life changed for the better after self-diagnosis (after a big burnout and severe year of anxiety). I wish you good luck and lot of fulfillment, take care ❤️
Have you changed the world or will u continue to struggle in a shitty life while ur husband does all the work ?
Sounds ore like ADHD to me.women with ADHD either have great success or are broke af.Im still struggling though I manage to make money.but I'm 40 and I still live in a rented apartment and barely no savings. I just want money I don't care if I change the world.most of us don't really and it's almost never a one person's work.
OMG same! looking back at my life my career really was not that big of a deal. I could have saved myself the trouble, anxiety, and depression
@@aleguerrero8199 You are assuming she doesn’t work and that her husband is the breadwinner. If she doesn’t work, why would she be burned out?😂
OMG Elizabeth, you just can't ask people about their childhood dreams.
LOL
That's like the rules of feminism.
My headcanon is she did it on purpose as a clapback and then gave Elizabeth a taste of her own manipulative medicine.
Never fuck with a retail employee who basically tells you to your face they don’t really care about their job.
Yeah but that girl could get in trouble Karen's like our Lizzy would have destroyed her and tell her manager all of that , that girl could have lost her job. I doubt she would do it on purpose also because she seemed sweet
@@EughhBrothereughh "karens like lizzy"
@@EughhBrothereughh she did say she doesn't care about her job 🤷
@@random_meta no she didnt
@@random_meta so? I don't xare about my job either but i wouldn't wanna get fired cuz of some lying psychopath
Am I the only one here thinking that Holmes didn't actually mean it as an insult? It may sound like it but it might also just be her awkward and socially inept self being genuine. It really seemed to me like she was honestly fascinated and marveled at the simple concept that a person could be just that, a person, with no precise ambition or dream, just going with the flow. Unlike her who's haunted by the fear of never accomplishing anything important in her life, prisonner of her own mind. This is the very opposite of the American mindset which is to be evermore productive, hence why she can't quite grasp the notion I think.
Yeah it seems like she’s jealous that the Apple worker could be happy with life without doing anything “big”.
Yes!! I sometimes can be brutally honest as well. It comes across as insulting but my mind is actually on overdrive.
I’ve learned to just not say anything to people because I can see they get defensive
i'm autistic and that's exactly how i interpreted it too. i was very confused by all the comments saying that this was evil, cruel, malicious etc and that she crushed her soul with those words or whatever. i don't know anything about the real person but i relate a lot to this fictionalized version of her.
Though I have not said it to others, I have always thought we don't actually matter. What's that going to change about the universe? Just live, do what you want. Some are just content doing 9 to 5 jobs, go home to their families in a one bedroom apartment, eating normal food, sleep and repeat. In short, I totally get what Holmes was trying to say
I think she felt jealous too. But she characterized the girl's life in a pretty insulting way. She basically said her life didn't have any importance to the world because she doesn't want to make any change in the world.
This show is not just a dramatization of Elizabeth Holmes but it’s an indictment against hustle culture. These people become toxic
Edit: 99% she did it on purpose
The whole Silicon Valley culture, especially the 2010s.
fr and there's so many ppl like this. it's the norm actually
Telling someone they have no ambition is beyond offensive
She erased her phone hillarious
Before: Elizabeth smashed this phone dozen times on her office table until the screen was broken. Then she asked her secretary to make an appointment in this shop.
Instant karma 😄.
I wasn't really sure about this scene. I thought for a moment that she'd actually done it on purpose cause Holmes was being super shady to her
they dont call her Genius for nuthin!
So did I
If you have to “do something important” to be happy, aren’t you giving up a lot of control to external factors to define your self worth?
Self-reflection is not a trait of narcissists.
THIS
Amanda was brilliant the whole series, she made me feel super uncomfortable. I loved every second of it.
Totally earned that emmy!
I know what she said was meant as an insult, but honestly, with the perception of positive nihilism, its not a bad thing do not want to do anything important at all. Its completely freeing and normal to just go with the flow and be "just a person". Its a totally Taoist thing to do, which is chill as fuck, soooo....really the sad sack of a human here is elizabeth 🤷♀️ can't get what she wants but is so desperately trying to force despite her incompetence and lack of remorse for other people. Sounds stressful, pointless, and not at all rewarding
Ikr people wanna do great shit partly because of their self absorbed nature, they wanna feel important and great about themselve, like they've made it, they achieved something if you think about it it's only about the ego. Ego free people don't want to prove shit to the world and live their lives , it's the desire to prove that you're worthy and important drives humanity to compete with each other and achieve "success"
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@@EughhBrothereughh this comment and above helped me realise something that might help my life a lot. Thank you.
@@Green-rp6br I feel the same way. I really needed this
was it meant as an insult? I wasn't sure if she just was severely lacking social awareness
Plot twist: Genius girl was a theater major and reformatted the phone on purpose. Went to the backroom afterwards and was proud of her performance.
You’re hilarious 😆
I love it!!
Oh my god, I almost cried with this girl. She looked so innocent, like a puppy.
You know she deleted her info on purpose right?
@@bw4348 how do you know that?
@@bw4348 and if she did so, how did she start crying then so sincerely?
@@AkimboFennec cuz Elizabeth hurt her feelings. She was really crying about that. Watch the scene in slow motion and look at the screen again.
@@bw4348 that is so sad that people will do these little but damaging things, discreetly, to someone who told them what they did not want to hear. Very sad and harsh reality of life.
I don't think that was an insult, she just pharsed it like shit. Your life is so simple and carefree if you don't have some big ambition that you're constantly stress over...
Cuz nobody wants to hear they are not ambitious. We are programmed from childhood by our parents to have some sort of ambition, otherwise we could become a failure
i agree, i don't think this was supposed to be mean because i relate a lot to this character (not the actual person she's based on but this fictional version of her) and i often say mean things without meaning to too. most of those thoughts that i voice i feel and experience as neutral, as emotionally detached curiosity and fascination, and it just doesn't occur to me that it could hurt someone's feelings.
Agreed. For about four years now, I've been trying to improve my writing skills on hopes of becoming a horror novelist one day. I like the idea a lot, but I was much less stressed about my future before I started constantly mapping out countless plot details in my head to get my projects "just right". Still haven't even finished the draft for my main project. Having OCD doesn't help. Ups and downs.
Amanda’s face at the end deserves an award.
The fact that she said she is scared b/c she doesn’t know what she wants to do w/ her life negated what Liz was saying. If she didn’t care about her choices mattering she wouldn’t be afraid she would be indifferent about her life choices.
Amanda Seyfried is going to win all the awards for this scene……incredible!!!
I heard that sociopaths (I think psychopaths as well) don’t have real feelings…. But they can mimic them
Psychopaths are for sure like that. Psychopaths are born. Sociopaths are made. Psychopaths tend to be more composed and calculating - allowing them to blend more easily.
@@Bloooo95 problem with most tv shows (Like Netflix’s “You” for example) is they always blend the two symptoms of psychopathy and sociopathy together when it’s not like that in real life. I would also consider Elizabeth a psychopath.
@@uravirginwhocantdrive1400 Agree. Of course, Amanda's portrayal is a bit more emotional than an actual psychopath is, but still.
Well, yes. Sociopath here, I would not call most of my emotions real. I'm kind of in recovery though, so I can feel a bit, but I always end up getting annoyed with emotions and question if I'm just masking, which I partly, of course, am.
Psycopaths don't know/care about hurting you. Sociopaths KNOW they're hurting you but they ENJOY it. That's the main difference.
At the end it’s like she realizes everything does matter, how you treat people and speak to them, matters.
Amanda has smashed it in this role. Give her all the awards.
Shouldn't be a problem if Elizabeth performed a recent backup sync to her computer.
whoever wrote this never worked retail, nobody is fazed by weirdo customers rambling about nothing it happens every day
This would maybe faze me on the right day
It would faze me if it ticked the right nerves
This would absolutely crush my soul Ngl
She could have been new to retail lmao
Having worked in sales.. yes it wouldn't faze me. As a naturally antisocial person I just used different personalities depending on the customer so I'd just be indifferent or say "that's deep" and move on with my work.
"If you're so much smarter, then fix your own damn phone."
This is why I don't talk to people in the middle of doing their jobs.
I mean EH had the same look on her face when a boy was making love to her during one of the flashbacks. She gave all kinds of creepy vibes.
her eyes are like black holes in this scene..I mean this as a complement, she's reminding me of another character driven by obsession, gollum
she says "I thought I'd work as a genius until I figured out what i wanted to do" I mean that was fine writing, wow. HUUAHHAA innuendo.
She was like: *“Oh! That's what an emotional breakdown looks like! I must learn it asap!”*
What a sociopath Elizabeth Holmes is!
Nihilism is born at the Apple Genius Bar.
1:50 "She behaves like I'm her boss..."
That girl actually looks more like Elizabeth than Amanda lol
Yeah they cast the wrong girl.
Holmes is saying, essentially, "Rosebud."
🤣🤣
I like how this scene manages to establish a bunch of things about Elizabeth. Aside from being eccentric and insensitive, it illustrated her being so much of a fraud that even she was convinced that she's unlike others who have human sentiments and material wants. Like here she's so into explaining how nothing will matter but when all her files got deleted, they did matter a lot to her. Sad how she lacked sincerity, even with herself.
During this scene i really conected with her, sometimes i really envy people that doesn't seem to care about anything, like i wish i knew how to live the moment.
Poor girl. It’s bad enough Liz put her down and made her feel worthless. But once she looked back up at her computer screen, she realized that she messed up and felt even worse.
Man that actress deserves an award for that performance.
I wish this girl could tell "Mind your own business"😂 to Elizabeth.
Amanda seyfried said right . Even she bagan chasing her dream since 11-15 years now she is among the greatest actors of all the time . She is very brilliant and much thoughtful in her life. Even her parents were supportive . Though their parents were therapists both Amanda and her sister got into entertainment field . Many parents discourage their children for achieving goals. To be Frank Amanda seyfried is astounding she is absolutely beautiful
When the girl really thinks over what matters for her, she will know what she wants to do.
So what the employee does is important because losing all her information on her phone made an big impact
"I followed all of the steps" ~Genius
I have only 1 ambition, and that's to glide though life and do the bare minimum to keep myself alive, and would laugh in the face of anyone that expects me to do anything differently. I'm a pro at what I do.
It’s fun to think if she did it on purpose and Elizabeth knew she was lying, and that’s how she knew what to do next .
This'll teach sales reps from making petty chitchat
It is actually nice to have no ambition and just be a person ❤
'woe is me, I'm just so burdened by my grandiose visions that these simpletons can't comprehend or relate to'
That last-second of the shot reminded me of Jodie Foster for some reason.
Amanda is looking like Jodie Foster the same way Brad Pitt is looking like Robert Redford
Amanda seyfried is not just my favorite actress but also mu inspiration
This is a good scene but normally her colleagues would have stepped in directly to help her when hearing her panic like that
That fucking psycho look staring into the abyss gets me every single time XD I just loved this series, definitely one of the best I've seen. She did a great job portraying Elizabeth Holmes.
Amanda has really pretty eyes tho
It's so sad that there are real people that act like Elizabeth out there. Except they are usually not "geniuses" they are just mean💀
They’re Karens
Working directly with customers can be weird. One time when I worked at a call center there was this guy who tried to figure out where I was from because he couldn't figure out my accent. I tried to keep the conversation on track but he couldn't let it go. He later said that I don't have an accent and then by the end of the call he said I had a city accent... whatever that means lol.
But thats not weird...? That happens a lot where Im from
I wish people would realize the fact that this girl, the VILLAIN shares so much in common with “admirable” “strong” characters. She’s an asshole. But in the context of a fictional character, she’s a badass. She only sucks because she’s real, otherwise she’d be like batman. Wolf of wall street, so bad she almost got away with it bullshit.
Who else feels personally attacked?
Her eyes are lovely. The customer's, that is.
Fuck damn she murdered her with words
Then got her phone murdered in return.
I think this is a such a common feeling at spme point in time for so many ambitious women. Do you always need a dream? What if your dream ends up trapping you - like E seems to be like in this scene through exhaustion. This is what defending your dream and your ideas of ambition really looks like. I think the last two bits just show how E finds it so tough to comprehend the other person's feelings regarding a failure like this.
I’ve had an apple “genius” erase all of my stuff and he didn’t give a single shit.
I don’t think Elizabeth was deliberately trying to be mean or belittle the girl in this scene. Some people are just very ambitious in life, they have a clear vision for what they want, and sometimes it can be a curse. These types of people have trouble turning off that level of ambition and determination. It can become very stressful and can cause needless suffering because of it. These idealistic people live their lives in the future.
Someone with little or no goals in life can just chill and live life moment to moment. They usually set small goals and if they don’t succeed it doesn’t really matter too much, it’s not a big deal to them. They just move on to the next thing and go with the flow. That’s why the Apple girl was thrown off with that “deep” question of “what was your dream as a child?”
agreed
The problem is not so much that Elizabeth was ambitious but that she was arrogant and made demeaning claims he could not prove. She “told” the girl that nothing she would do would matter (how does she know this?) simply because she doesn’t have what Elizabeth can perceive to be ambition (the girl could be ambitious in a different way than Elizabeth, and how is Elizabeth so confident that doing something that “matters” requires “ambition”?). It shows Elizabeth’s narcissism perfectly that she made such a strong claim against someone she doesn’t know without realizing the limits of her own perspective or the emotional impact of her words on the other person. The conversation was not merely a misunderstanding, it was antisocial behavior.
@@LordAus123 I don’t think she was being arrogant. She wasn’t trying to demean the Apple girl, she was trying to tell her that there’s no reason to be scared of not having any dreams. If you’re a person who doesn’t have dreams or have clear life goals, then you can basically choose whatever path you want in life. And if whatever you choose doesn’t work out, it won’t really matter or even hurt you that bad. It won’t matter because you weren’t really invested in that path, so it’s not as meaningful.
When you become really invested in a goal or vision that you believe is very meaningful, it becomes your entire life. If your dream fails, you fail. Now that is scary.
The irony of this scene is that the Apple girl started freaking out and crying over losing the data on the phone, something that doesn’t or shouldn’t have really mattered too much to her. The worst that could happen is she gets fired from a job she regarded as temporary anyways.
That to me is the greatest compliment, "You are just a person".
that last shot of her is terrifying
The way she kept talking 😹
A number of years ago, I think Amanda would've played the girl at the counter.
Does anyone else think this is kinda fucked up? Like there’s no way anyone could know if elizabeth was like this and these kinds of situations
She really nailed the voice.
this is so scary... this is how sociopaths behave, manipulative and creepy.
I see that the purpose of this scene is for Holmes to make this stranger feel like shit...but would it have been awesome if she purposely deleted all her info and acted like she was really upset...and then when Holmes leave the store upset...the stranger smiled thinking to herself that she did once have a dream to b an actress.
This is classic psychopathy. She psychological destroys some innocent stranger because she feels narcissistic outrage over the fact that she is taller, younger, and prettier than her. She then uses the genuine emotional response of this person for her own benefit, mimicking it at her Board meeting to save herself. This is because psychopaths are incapable of empathy and genuine emotional responses.
I wish my Genius cared about my data like that.
Man, this scene saved my life! Thank you! ❤✌
She was crying because of the convo, not the erasing
“Nothing you do won’t matter.”
Yeah, that’s pretty distracting.
Was this scene put in because this was her excuse in court for not having iPhone data before this date?
I find it very unlikely that Apple would make it so employees can make this mistake.
To be fair I’ve actually had someone completely erase all my data on my iPhone before at the store however I didn’t know that she made it an excuse so could be.
Who doesn’t have dreams as a child??
Girls want to be princesses or ballerinas.
@@norijean3279 thats still a dream?
her performance is just too intense
The funny thing is, I'm sure Liz thought she was paying this woman a compliment.
You know that Beyoncé meme where she’s like “you’re unmotivated…” it’s literally that
"Bish take a shower"
I had people try to intimate me when I worked at the DMV.
No amount theorizing on the dichotomy of "who am I really" got them out paying $80 if they wanted an ID or DL.
Quite a reversal of fortune if this did actually happen
I thought this was going to be about apple asking her to buy a new phone for a fixable problem ... or overcharging her for the repair.
That would have been accurate.
Even the Apple Store tells you to backup your phone ( to ICloud or your computer) before service. They are never responsible for lost data. Ha ha ha ha.
The laugh 😂
She did that on purpose because she insulted her saying she had no ambition. Those apple workers are know to be bastards.
We know it's you elizabeth
@@maevab2923 Holmes is to big time for youtube.
@@Dempsey222 see that's exactly what elizabeth would say
@@maevab2923 Holmes is a huge success. Don't be jelly.
@@Dempsey222 well guess what that's exactly what elizabeth would respond to my response, you're being a little sus here "john"
„Nothing important“ can also mean Not hurting people around you with your unfounded ambition
At first the questions were actually kinda cute, I felt empathy for Elizabeth trying to find comfort in someone else’s experience… it seems like she felt alone in her obsessions about becoming “the next big thing” but then the conversation started to get very manipulative, condescending and egocentric and I got heavily disappointed
In fairness, if someone spoke to me like that, I’d I’ve punched her first, then intentionally deleted everything!
“Just a person eh? A person who with the skill to delete everything”
The strained expression on her face and her soft-spoken voice scream: "I'm Anxious and Projecting" so I would've deflected with, "I think we all have those days where nothing we do seems to matter." She could've also given a philosophical counterargument such as, "Yea, it's such an existential conundrum that one person's contribution is rather small in the grand scheme of things."
Am I the only one who thinks she has a point? I mean hey, why not do whatever you want in life if you don’t have any expectations? Good advice.