This Bike is RIDICULOUS! Extreme MONSTERCROSS Gravel Conversion!
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- Drop bars on a Jones Bike? Why not?!
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Russ, ever thought about interviewing Jeff Jones? Might be interesting if you went to his stomping grounds and took some MTB "lessons" from him, showcasing the benefits of his bikes.
That bike looks like a blast! Finally sank in that I've found my people in non-competitive cycling after watching this channel for a long time now. Wasn't a patreon member but fixed that today.
Have you tried a Lauf fork on a MTB frame with drop bars without changing to RB shifters? I've got the parts but haven't managed the courage to do so.
If you like it and it’s fun, it’s a great mod. Keep up the non “traditional” builds as, for me, there are no rules for bikes.
That set up would make an awesome long distance, wilderness touring bike. Especially if your route involves old double track, mining or logging roads, and maybe a bit of Mtn singletrack thrown in. Just be sure and throw on an 11-50t cassette with a 28t chainring. Top speed wouldn't be any concern, just mellow cruising with a minimal bikepacking load.
It would be more awesome with the original handlebars.
Experience is the fabric of wisdom. Keep weaving.
Haha this is amazing! I can see Jeff Jones shaking his head but I love that this works as well as it does.
Awesome Mod! I have a road bike which I converted to single speed. I have 3 sets of bars for it and I switch often. My favorite of the 3 is a set of bmx bars. It’s ridiculous and awesome fun. Since I’m single speed and only run a front brake switching takes no time at all. I think because bikes are expensive nowadays we stopped Modding them out. It is nice to see your outside the box on your bike and it looks tough as hell. I do believe a banana seat would make it perfect 👌
OMG, I love this. I had a 90's Rock Hopper where the drivetrain stopped working. Went 1x9 microshift and love it. I am starting to really like the microshift stuff!
That's ridiculous! And awesome! That must have been so much fun! Thanks for the video, much enjoyed 😁
Looks good. I’ve been going back and forth on adding drop bars to my Surly ECR.
My go bars are the Cowchipper or WoodChippers from Salsa paired up with cross bar levers. Cross bar levers in addition to drop bar levers make all the difference in the world.
I see so much of the "plus 1" bike reviews and "only one" bike reviews... In contrast, your reviews really reflect a range of bikes to think about depending on the type of riding one does most often. After a lot of research, I am finally down to riding two bikes: a relatively new gravel bike (a Warbird with 650b) and my old full suspension bike. Your videos really helped. Many thanks Russ!
Whats missing is a dropper post! Russ You hadn't mentioned the Rawland Ulv, (yeah I know you only got that one short ride with it) But really the idea of a drop bar plus bike does make sense for bike packing in the southwest, where there's thousands of miles of VERY sandy and rocky 2 track.
I think you had a great idea and one I have considered.
Nice Russ... It looks like a blast and I think you did a great job of presenting the pros and cons in a balanced way. I just converted a Jones SWB Complete to Soma Oxford bars (so the grip area has more "wrist in rotation" but kept my weight back for the tech sections. So I got to keep the grips and MTB levers but man it was a blast to ride and hecka faster on the road. Between the bar, changeout and some new rubber (Schwalbe G-Ones Allrounds 27.5x2.8s) saved 2.4 lbs... crazy eh? Anway... Kudos on breaking out of the "This is a Jones and you can't change it" because you can!
Keep up the great content creation... always fun and helpful.
PS - Switched to the Avid Speed Dial 7s with the stock Tektro Calipers and the brakes are so much better than stock!
how do the Oxford bars handle off road? I've got them on a bike I use for cruising around town, but I haven't done anything off-road with them.
Awesome experiment. Thanks, Russ!
I really like this setup! Keep up the great vids coming🤙🏾
I went the opposite direction and put a jones bar on my surly cross check and love it 😍
I'm runnin' the 2½" rise Jones Bar on my Trek 920 & I love it.
Thanks! I’ve been thinking if this combo for a while, now I don’t have to worry about wasting money if I do👍
That’s funny because I have been spending the last few weeks trying to figure out how to make my Cyclocross bike ride more like my Jones. I finally decided to get rid of the drop bars and go with a Jones bar for the Cross bike and see if I can finally get that bike comfortable to ride, for me.
Wondering when this will become the norm 👍🏻 great build up and those microshift bar end shifters are great value as well.
Aesthetically it also looks great! Awesome mod Russ! I'm gonna get me a SWB Jones when they finally have it available!!!
Riser drops on high stack frames needs to be more of a thing. The Fargo tried to introduce this concept. To ride in the drops as a normal hand position. Not speed tucked though.
This is a really helpful video for people who who are not necessarily gravel curious, but want to learn how to transition to road biking.
This kind of unique content is fantastic. Keep up the great work! BIkes don't have to make sense to be super fun.
Love the experiments lately! Last summer I had an 80s road bike set up with riser bars and a 90s hybrid with drop bars. I remember thinking briefly that it was a little silly to have essentially switched them, but then quickly decided it was fun so I didn't care. Final conclusions for me was that the road bike with riser bars was awesome. The long top tube on the hybrid made drop bars never work quite right so that one is back to full dad-bike hybrid mode.
..it’s called dad mode because dad knows..
I've been running Cowchippers on my Pugsley for 2 years. It's amazing how much "sportier" the ride feels with my weight shifted toward the front wheel.
I did this with a Surly Karate Monkey with Salsa Cowchipper bars. Used an slx rear derailleur with a 32t up front and the same bar end shifter. Ran it singlespeed for a while before putting gears on it. Have 29 x 2.1 Mezcals and this bike is a blast! I ran some aero bars on it for a while for some longer planned bikepacking trips to give different hand positions, but took those off a few weeks ago since I'm not doing any long distance currently. Pretty flat where I live but it has been a great setup for gravel roads and just venturing off on backroads.
Hi thank you so much for this video, I have been trying to sell my Jones LWB Spaceframe for the last few years because if discomfort! But after riding my Ritchey Outback V2 for the last few months and then Christmas holidays here in NZ I fitted a spare pair of drop handlebars to my Jones and it's comfortable at last, so thanks 🙂
That setup looks great for day or weekend exploring, where you have a planned route but don’t know what terrain to expect. Save the lighter mounts for when you know what you are getting into.
I love this conversion👍👍
looks sick! i dig it!
Well. I guess that you got what you asked for ! Thank for trying this for all of us.
I really like the look of the Jones bike and especially the Jones bar. But, this video was interesting and fun to watch.
Always an advocate for experimentation on fit and performance/handling. I think it's the only true way to translate those spec numbers into the real, in-your-gut sensation of riding. It's also a fun way for me to predict the handling I think you should see at the beginning of your review, and compare it to your reported experience, at the end of the video (this part drives my wife a little crazy).
wonder whats better, a fun Bike or a fun Rider!! enjoy what you have!! You!!
That thing looks sick with the drop bars! I wanna ride it!
Nice rig. I’m planning on turning my Moonlander into a drop bar configuration, with a very short stem, XXL Soma Condor 2 riser bars, and bar end shifters. With the Moonlander’s touring-like geometry, I think it’ll turn out well.
Looks awesome! I've always like frankenbikes sweet build
Hopefully, you will be checking out a Tanglefoot Moonshiner soon. That one is a gem. Great fun to ride.
Remember your review of the Rawland bike? Brings me back to that one.
Looks awesome! Will make you really strong climbing hills too!! My fatbike has turned me into a powerhouse
Looking good. It is good to be reminded that the ride feeling of bikes can be changed quite much by just modding it a bit. No need to always have a new bike.
Nice bike. A few years ago I converted a 26" offroader over to 1x1 with drop bars, slicks, mudguards, and V brakes for commuting. I used those Tektro levers but they were poor to be honest. It's now being run in 1x7 with flat bars and the original Shimano brakes.
Welcome to a Salsa Fargo! Actually the Fargo can take 29+ tires. Its ma favorite bike ever as I'm able to just ride about anywhere including most mountain bike trails.
I came on here to make this exact comment. Please review a Fargo!
The drop bar Jones is probably more fun than a Fargo because of the lower trail
I have my Surly Ogre set up just like this (with 29x2.3 tires), same bars and shifters with Avid BB7s. Previously set up with a Jones bar. Exact same results. Not as trail friendly, great everywhere else. Better for the long miles.
I had a mukluk frame sitting around doing nothing so i put a set of woodchippers on there and set it up single speed. its so much fun to ride.
Wow.. Thinking to set up one like that
Pretty similar to my Haanjo 5C. All around a fun bike.
looks cool, is fun, checks all boxes
Looks ace!
those bars and the fat tires make a beautiful combination
The only way to love this setup more is to add pass thru brake levers. Fun project. Thanks much.
I've raced MTB with the original hand welded Ti Jones H bars. The top of the H allowed me to tuck in nicely, stretched out forward. Nothing for a gnarly trail but especially since I races this bike singlespeed against gearies, I needed to get up to speed early on a descend and then hide from the wind. In retrospect I wish I'd have invested in dropper posts back then (even if they were sucky) to roll faster and gain range of motion on technical (for my tall ass) descends.
Was thinking this was a cave of bad ideas episode. Genius borders on being a madman. Please keep the ridiculousness coming.
Reminds me of my 2017 27.5+ fargo. Great fun!
I was looking at the Jones SWB when a decided on a 2018 Fargo with 27.5 x 3 tires. I wasn’t sure about the drop bars but have been super happy with my choice. I was thinking I might try some wider bars. Mine came with Woodchipper 2s at 44 cm.
One thumbs up for the madness
great conversion but not a fan of the shifter cable housing comes out of the drop bar like that.
Fun! Russ, just Fun!!
It would probably be great for touring the Great Divide Mt Bike route.
Great video! Thought about putting some drop bars on my karate monkey 😎
Lovely "Fargo"!!! Which tires were you riding? Thanks, Fede
Another great video 👍🚴
I don't understand why most people don't route the bar end shifter cables around the handlebars, as with the brake cables. It's what I do, making things much neater ☺
Because sometimes you need a tandem cable to do it.
It looks alot like my 650b+ Surly Karate Monkey w/ On-One drop bars. On many days it's my fav ride. I call it a 'Uber Monster Cross'. I get around the forward on decents feeling by running bar top housing pushing levers inboard of the drop brake levers.
I really like the Tektro Aries disc calipers that came on my first Jones. So much that I bought two other sets for my other bikes ($29 for a pair, F&R, with rotors). Compared to Avid BB-7's, they are lighter, stiffer, cheaper, and most importantly...quieter. And they use commonly available Shimano pads. My only dislike is the way the outboard pad is adjusted via cable tension, rather than a bolt or thumbwheel.
That outboard pad adjustment is why I ditched em. That's ding-dong design. BB-7s are vastly better brakes - grams be damned.
I like them too after switching to sintered pads. Now I can go way longer without adjusting.
Looks super comfortable for long rides on unpaved trails.
Cool build. In some ways a novelty but a very fun one at that! There's something about jumbo tires that put a smile on ones face! Maybe it's that "rollover everything" capability? I do agree that it would make a a good, ultra rugged drop bar touring bike but it also, depending on tire, it might be a good fat bike alternative, especially with something like drops as there is no shortage of wind in the winter time!
Speaking of drops I like this higher bar position that gets you into the drops and one problem I have with drops is that most people spend very little time in their drops. Is it more efficient in terms of aero? That's hard to say but at least you're more likely to be in a position to get full power on the levers and control on descents, etc...more of what drops are intended for.
And speaking of those levers if those are the RL520's that is what I am running as well on my franken, do it all Giant XC budget build. They are very inexpensive and by the grace of those levers and the also inexpensive yet great quality Microshift shifter, which I also am using, you can avoid brifters and save a big!!! Very different from my control setup but I would take it over the Jones bar setup. Ride on!
The Wilier Jaroon+ has 3" wide tires. I want one.
im planning something like that also...
...now you need to put a dropper post on it, to improve your descents! ;-)
Nice work, but you should know that mountain bike with drop bars was there for decades and it's called Dirtdrop, good you have discovered it for yourselve.
Aware of the “dirt drop”. Thanks for the condescension.
Looks cool..👍
You made a Gorilla Monsoon! Sweet!
the best choise is The Jones Loop H bar. Drop gravel bar is a fuzzy trend...
Cool video! It reminds me of my karate monkey but fatter. I’d like to see it with a front shock 🤙
Hey Russ, guess I went the opposite; I put some Jones bars in place of drops on my Evasion mostly so I could use some Paul levers and XO shifters. Ooh are those things wide! Anyway it's lots of fun off road but not so much for any distance on the pavement. Now I'm thinking maybe I should try those Ritchey bars, they look pretty crazy. Cave of mediocre ideas?
Thanks for thinking outside the box
Reminds me the new models of salsa fargo
I have the 27.5+ fargo and yes this is simular, however the fargo geometry is a lot more "mountain bike" so it wont behave in exactly the same way. It is relatively high trail and will be more stable and less playful than the Jones SWB
I think that was a nice experiment and it may serve as a nice bike for some trails. You need to have a long steer tube on your fork to have room for the spacers to increase your stack height. How many spacers (mm) did you use? The overall look a drop bar that’s higher reminds me of the Salsa Fargo.
That sounds a lot like my bike. Surly ECR medium frame, Shimano deore & XT components (36 & 11/42 10 speed) with Salsa cowchipper handlebars. Microshift 10 speed barend shifter tectro short pull break levers now with TRP spyre was spyke but I know better now lol. WTB KOM I29 rimes with teravail sparwood tires. Haven’t put maxxis 3” wide tires on yet but some day maybe.
Russ,
I bought a salsa journeyman last summer because of your video, and now because of your videos about drop and alt bar conversions, I am looking to upgrade the bike. I have grown a lot since I bought it, so do you have any recommendations on a bar to use for a conversion? I have ordered parts for a 1x conversion and soma cazadero tires, and I'm also planning on upgrading to the microshift advent x you recently featured. Thanks so much!
Hey at 2:57 you say you have installed an inline cable adjuster - do you have a product you can recommend? I'm doing something similar!!
I think my Jones LWB 29+ might not look as cool as this mod suits the Jones SWB 27.5+ set up better. Nevertheless, thanks Russ for the great video 👍
Hey Russ...what's that computer mount you have on your zeitgeist bag??? I use a Barfly out front mount on my bike, but I have to take it off when I put my bag on.
DIY mount. Glued a garmin mount to a pocket clip to put on bags.
Previously I had moved from drop bars to either butterfly bars (road bikes) or Jones bars on my 29+ bikepacking bike (Trek 1120). Now you have me considering conversion to drops for the 1120. How could I have been so wrong?
Looks fun in a not-as-fun-as-Jones-bars kind of way
I really like the chunky design of a Jones bike, at that point wide tyres become quite silly because a suspension will do far better work but I still think wide tyres look awesome.
You have to admit, however wide the tires, they're lighter than suspension. :-)
I am thinking something like this for a long long time, did not get the courage to do so. I am a rodie, never rode in gravel or single track, and use a cyclocross bike with skinny tires for roads. I was wondering how the bike performs on tarmac? And also how she performs in a climb?
This is pretty similar to how my salsa fargo is setup
What calipers are you running, Russ? Thinking of doing this to my 2013 ogre as well as throwing some 650b on it. Not too worried about having a lower bottom bracket as I won't be using it for technical riding. Mostly gravel and tame trails. There's an idea for "Cave of Bad Ideas", running 650b's on 29er frames. I'll give it a 👍in advance.
Whatever came stock with the SWB. No name. Nothing fancy.
Tektro Aries came on my SWB Complete
Freakin awesome
Seriously Russ, have you ever used road lever with mtb calipers? Although, it may take a little more dialing in, they work about the same or better in some experiences, the lever pull thing is real fake news (if you care about what bike manufactures call "modulation" anyway)! ... Ran bb5 mtb calipers with Ultegra 6800 levers for years on my commuter, no problems after setup, decided to switch to have more pad consistency among my bikes (cx77 calipers), mistake! After 3 set of pads and way too much finicking, I gave up and put some hydro levers (rs865 to m8000 calipers) and haven't looked back! ... Whatever the case, thanks for staying on point, I always enjoy your videos as a positive brake in the news cycle. Cheers :)
Not speed but comfort the best bike for me ever was my 90s diamond back sorrento with drop bars super comfortable
It got too expensive to fix so I bought a new trek 820 and added alt bars super nice 👌 but it doesn't feel as good as my 90s diamondback
Edit: I also have a 80s road bike for longer rides and may be better than the diamondback but it needs a longer stem so I do not know
Is this one of the new outsourced production bikes or an in-house Jones?
For $1700 complete what do you think?
Looks good but I think still better as original
What size Jones is that?
Doesn't the Jones bar have an aero extension
nice one .tour divide bike ?touring speed
Would prob swap the cassette for an 11-50 for touring. It's not a light bike to start out with.
Ewok! one of my favorite rattlesnake trails.
Hi guys, I was wondering the following. I have an XC bike which I used for pedaling long distances but the frame is to big for me. I currently have an 120mm stem and was thinking in buying a 35mm to shorten the reach. What do you think? ( I want to get it right the first time, I'm kind of broke)
Lacking too much information. Too big how? Long reach? Too much stand over? Best to go to a bike shop since there are many variables.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Thanks for your answer!!! It has too long reach, it makes my hand and back heart. The bike model is a vairo 4.0 XR 2019 (I couldn't find bike specification in their website), I don't think they sell those bike in USA. I really like what you do, you should bikepack in Argentina
16% on stock gearing? You are an animal, Russ.