@@WaddupYTthat’s his point. great concepts add to the listening experience, however concept alone is not enough to be good. if so, anything by NF, Kid Cudi’s Speeding Bullet album, etc would be considered good. concept and ideas alone aren’t enough. the songs also need to be good.
I've been going about this for the longest time. Garbage conscious records which slightly touch on any societal problems are regarded higher than 90% of great modern trap and pop rap. It should be a 10/90 split with the idea being the 10% and execution the majority. Nihilistic and sad music in general will always be elevated and kept to a higher level of respect than that of happier and more vibe music despite in general both being of the same quality. Someone like Drake gets so much shit just because he doesn't make anything depressing.. as if there already weren't enough artists for that before and after him.
A lyrically dense summertime banger with a 9/10 beat and SZA sang hook about life being good will be frowned upon by hipsters but an awful and uninspired Earl sweatshirt song with his boring ass voice, adequate production and unimaginative lyrics with a hint of suicidal thoughts sprinkled in will be all their song of the year and the one they defend to the grave
@@onuresmanov6143but that's a stupid point as an album doesn't need to be unlistenable to be bad. The album doesn't have to be the worst thing ever to be bad
I would like to see this type of video done again with rappers such as J. Cole, Kendrick Lamar, Kanye West, Eminem, Drake, The Weeknd, A$AP Rocky, MF DOOM, and 2Pac.
I agree with the exception of Eminem. He absolutely has had bad albums and there's just no debate there. I think you should add somebody whose discography has an album that isn't universally hated
That’s a good question NFR, the rappers i would like to see next are Kanye West, Drake, Lil Durk, Lil Baby, Nicki Minaj, JID, Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, Latto, Travis Scott
Ant the type of guy that gets confused when he doesn't get allowed into college after getting a 4/10 on his entrance exam saying "That's no where near a bad score."
lil uzi is my fav rapper, and i agree. he doesn't have any bad albums, but the pink tape is poorly organized. It has a lot of good sounds but the album as a whole has no replay value. Keep the work uzi. I'm waiting for LIR3. 💯💕🐺
Wow doing 21 on one of his albums birthdays. Surprised you guys didn't include Slaughter King though As a major 21 fan I would say he doesn't have any bad albums
lol most great artists have that its nothing special, i love jay but cmon. lemme name a few. tyler the creator goblin, not a good overall album but has a few hitters, and also his other project cherry bomb, has alot of heavy hitters. even drake's shitty projects have a couple of good songs in them
Luca is on something cuz Drip or drown 2 is fire probably his best album it’s skipless and doesn’t get boring because of a variety of atmospheres production wise Ant I’m so sorry for you
Drip or drown 2 is fucking crazy, the second best Gunna album apart from DS3. Just listen to the trapaneese classic Who You Foolin. Almost all songs go crazy bruh.
nah bruh I listed to "slaughter king" front to back ONE TIME and I heard a smoke alarm that needs batteries at least 3 times per song, I understand the whole "starter studio in the closet" vibe cause that's where I am but PLEASE EQ OR CHANGE YOUR DAMN BATTERIES. I literally cannot listen to any song off that album anymore
Bro said lasers is a bad album !?!? That was one of my favorite albums growing up man, might be mainstream but it was still conscience and meaningful lyrically
They left out the great American rap album good & liquor 2 and I honestly think I’m the only Lupe fan that listens to Lasers. I even have it tattooed on my hand just because what that album did for me in my life at a low point. Do I understand the hate for that album? Absolutely but as a person that always enjoyed that rapper grab a pop artist for the hook era. This album meant something to me.
I havent listened to all of Lasers so I cant comment on it as a whole album but it seems weird to me that NFR didnt mention The Show Goes On, which is a fantastic song and was THE huge hit off that record.
Lou saying he doesn’t enjoy who you foolin is one of the worst takes I’ve ever heard that instrumental is heavenly it’s an amazing car song and def top 5 gunna songs
While Lasers is Lupe's weakest album I can't believe it's rated bad over some of these other albums, it has aged badly and didn't sound great on release but there's still songs where he's simply rapping too well for me to walk away from it saying it's a bad album. I'd certainly rather listen to Lasers vs. some of the other albums that were in contention but not called "bad" on this list.
I've always liked kingdom come. bp 3 is worse but not even bad. Kingdom come, oh my god, show me what you got. these are some real ass bangers. Never understood the disrespect on its name. Its worse than AG and The Black Album sure but both of those are arguable HOV top 5 black album being his #2 to me. I went through nastradamus as well and honestly like Come and get me, project window and Family with Mobb Deep are all great. these albums arent bad.
My takes: 21 Savage: No, just mid. Tyler, The Creator: No Lil Wayne: No Jay-Z: No Lil Uzi Vert: Yes; Pink Tape Nas: No Gunna: No, just mid. Lupe Fiasco: No Meek Mill: No Freddie Gibbs: No
Y’all didn’t even put all of Wayne’s albums , block is hot, and if 21 savage has his mixtape, why not include Wayne’s also, and rebirth probably Wayne’s most influential album, all these rappers wanna be rockstars now 💯
I’ve always thought that you guys were waaaay too lenient, so this episode was so frustrating for me lol. Love the content, but I disagree with so many of these conclusions
So much pink tape slander, definitely not a great album, but uzi's attempts at different styles was a highlight. The only bad song is CS, but theres so many bangers on it too.
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Can you rank Kendrick Lamar songs
It's not because an album has a concept or a great idea behind it that it can't be bad... execution is more important, form>content
@@WaddupYTthat’s his point. great concepts add to the listening experience, however concept alone is not enough to be good. if so, anything by NF, Kid Cudi’s Speeding Bullet album, etc would be considered good. concept and ideas alone aren’t enough. the songs also need to be good.
@@cwega2463Tammy’s song by Kendrick is a good example of
100%
I've been going about this for the longest time. Garbage conscious records which slightly touch on any societal problems are regarded higher than 90% of great modern trap and pop rap. It should be a 10/90 split with the idea being the 10% and execution the majority. Nihilistic and sad music in general will always be elevated and kept to a higher level of respect than that of happier and more vibe music despite in general both being of the same quality. Someone like Drake gets so much shit just because he doesn't make anything depressing.. as if there already weren't enough artists for that before and after him.
A lyrically dense summertime banger with a 9/10 beat and SZA sang hook about life being good will be frowned upon by hipsters but an awful and uninspired Earl sweatshirt song with his boring ass voice, adequate production and unimaginative lyrics with a hint of suicidal thoughts sprinkled in will be all their song of the year and the one they defend to the grave
Sometimes Ant doesn’t seem to grasp that an album can have a couple good songs, even GREAT songs and still be a bad album as a whole
encore moment
exactly
He did say what he thought a bad album was at the very start tbf
@@onuresmanov6143but that's a stupid point as an album doesn't need to be unlistenable to be bad. The album doesn't have to be the worst thing ever to be bad
whole lotta red, for all the dogs, nuthin 2 prove, MBDTF etc etc
I would like to see this type of video done again with rappers such as J. Cole, Kendrick Lamar, Kanye West, Eminem, Drake, The Weeknd, A$AP Rocky, MF DOOM, and 2Pac.
Does the Weekend count? Most of his discography is R&B
well the weeknd has a bad album and it’s called Thursday
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1) Thursday is a mixtape not an album
2) Thursday is better than Starboy & Beauty
3) Thursday has the Birds & Rolling Stone
@@StefanskiiSZN It's as good as a normal Thursday
I agree with the exception of Eminem. He absolutely has had bad albums and there's just no debate there. I think you should add somebody whose discography has an album that isn't universally hated
NFR always blessing us with peak videos
It always feels great when you open youtube and the first thing you see is a new NFR episode. Keep it up guys!
Drip or drown 2 just for Who you foolin and the one with Carti can’t be a bad album
That’s a good question NFR, the rappers i would like to see next are Kanye West, Drake, Lil Durk, Lil Baby, Nicki Minaj, JID, Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, Latto, Travis Scott
Bro makes the Gunna Take for the next Episode of "Biggest Misscalls"
Drip or drown 2 is my personal favorite Gunna album the production is cleannnn
Crazy take by Ant
@@koopstanick1710you mean lu?
@@Kanyewestbiggestfan123 the Arab lookin fella
@@koopstanick1710 the skinny one right? That’s lu, ant is fat
@@Kanyewestbiggestfan123 damn don’t do ant like that 🤣😭 but yes
drip or drown 2 is so fire, you got songs like baby birkin, richard millie plain and who you foolin 🔥🔥🔥
luca was wildin on that one
Literally my second favorite gunna album behind ds4 lu’s always hating on gunna
How is this not satire bro i can’t listen to gunna 😭
out the hood ⛽️
It’s crazy how some of the best and most notable Rappers of all time happen to have at least one bad project in their discography.
Ain’t no way DOD2 is a bad album. That album brought gunna into the mainstream scene
3 headed snake and same young fella are fire too
id say DS3 made him mainstream
Ant the type of guy that gets confused when he doesn't get allowed into college after getting a 4/10 on his entrance exam saying "That's no where near a bad score."
lil uzi is my fav rapper, and i agree. he doesn't have any bad albums, but the pink tape is poorly organized. It has a lot of good sounds but the album as a whole has no replay value. Keep the work uzi. I'm waiting for LIR3. 💯💕🐺
i agree, but i would add eternal atake is wayyyy over hated. it’s got a great space concept, with spacey beats, almost no features
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I like both of them
Pink Tape is bad! It has its songs but more misses than hits.
I'm an uzi listener and I don't think pink tape is mid I enjoyed most of it and lir3 is never coming stop dreaming
Somehow NFR is the only one dropping right as I'm about to have dinner, what legends.
Funeral is one of Wayne's best modern releases imo.
For sure
Fire video boys🔥Drip or drown 2 is a album full of bangers Lu buggin on that take
Nfr always delivers👌 much love to y'all
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nah he wildin drip or drown 2 is a good album
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This series is fucking awesome. Drip or drown 2 nowhere near a bad album it has plenty bangers. Everything else y’all got right.
the gunna take was a massive L
Dreams worth more than money is a classic.
I love Tha Fix before Tha VI a lot of the lyrics make me laugh but it’s got such hard hitting trap beats that may sound aged but idk I enjoy it
Great video I watched the whole video already (24 minutes in 5 minutes)
Drip or Drown 2 is 🔥
It's so mid
@@thomo2127 Can't be with 3 Headed Snake, Who You Foolin, Same Yung Nigga, Wit It, Richard Millie Plain, Baby Birkin.
@@MekhiThePro again all mid songs
Who you fooling is a classic.
Much love as usual, keep going guys
Drip or drown 2 might be Gunnas best fr fr
American dream just massively improved 21’s catalog
Wow doing 21 on one of his albums birthdays. Surprised you guys didn't include Slaughter King though
As a major 21 fan I would say he doesn't have any bad albums
Every album until I Am I Was was pretty bad
@Knucklejob I think Savage Mode takes a few listens to enjoy but I know NFR lovessss that project
@@Knucklejobsm 1 and 2 are hard asf, wym
Slater was on Wolf
Ye I was about to say this
I was looking for this comment right when Ant said that
i love drip or drown 2
i’ll always love LASERS man. idk what it is about it but it’s just a satisfying listen every time for some reason.
Never heard a worse take about drip or drown 2 lmao. that shit slaps
Lu's voice crack had me dyin
Who you foolin is amazing gotta give it to Ant
Meek mill Dreams brought back some hard nostalgia! Lord knows with Tory was fire back in the day
Loved the Nastradamus flowers. VERY underrated songs on that album
Said slater is on goblin but it’s on wolf
Drip or Drown 2 may be mid but its not bad
Shit is boring
Cold Day in hell beats are slightly dated but still have those details that make them timeless
That thumbnail is crazy.
jay z is one of those rappers where even his more mediocre albums have at least a few songs on them that are INSANE.
lol most great artists have that its nothing special, i love jay but cmon. lemme name a few.
tyler the creator goblin, not a good overall album but has a few hitters,
and also his other project cherry bomb, has alot of heavy hitters.
even drake's shitty projects have a couple of good songs in them
"it's nothing special" then proceeds to list two of the greatest rappers of the last 20 years @@CJ_Tha_Mofo
Was talking about how legendary Wayne is despite having huge misses like Rebirth, IANAHB2, that new fix album, Trust Fund Babies
Drip or drown 2 lowkey a masterpiece
Luca is on something cuz Drip or drown 2 is fire probably his best album it’s skipless and doesn’t get boring because of a variety of atmospheres production wise Ant I’m so sorry for you
Drip or drown 2 is fucking crazy, the second best Gunna album apart from DS3. Just listen to the trapaneese classic Who You Foolin. Almost all songs go crazy bruh.
Nice series
Luca with the coldest take ever smh … 14:14
I actually think Lasers isn’t a miss for Lupe
It’s an interesting listen, I think that drogas light and food and liquor 2 are worse honestly
Finally some fair criticism about Kingdom Come
Just bc there’s a concept it doesn’t default an album good
nah bruh I listed to "slaughter king" front to back ONE TIME and I heard a smoke alarm that needs batteries at least 3 times per song, I understand the whole "starter studio in the closet" vibe cause that's where I am but PLEASE EQ OR CHANGE YOUR DAMN BATTERIES. I literally cannot listen to any song off that album anymore
Bro said lasers is a bad album !?!? That was one of my favorite albums growing up man, might be mainstream but it was still conscience and meaningful lyrically
They left out the great American rap album good & liquor 2 and I honestly think I’m the only Lupe fan that listens to Lasers. I even have it tattooed on my hand just because what that album did for me in my life at a low point. Do I understand the hate for that album? Absolutely but as a person that always enjoyed that rapper grab a pop artist for the hook era. This album meant something to me.
thats respectable af
I havent listened to all of Lasers so I cant comment on it as a whole album but it seems weird to me that NFR didnt mention The Show Goes On, which is a fantastic song and was THE huge hit off that record.
Lou saying he doesn’t enjoy who you foolin is one of the worst takes I’ve ever heard that instrumental is heavenly it’s an amazing car song and def top 5 gunna songs
Luv is rage 3 saves EA from mid to good imo
While Lasers is Lupe's weakest album I can't believe it's rated bad over some of these other albums, it has aged badly and didn't sound great on release but there's still songs where he's simply rapping too well for me to walk away from it saying it's a bad album. I'd certainly rather listen to Lasers vs. some of the other albums that were in contention but not called "bad" on this list.
These dudes seem to think albums always have to have a concept in order for it to be considered a good album. Such a weird way to listen to music
Cold day in hell and Shadow of a Doubt are great albums
Calling Goblin mid is so bizzare
I've always liked kingdom come. bp 3 is worse but not even bad. Kingdom come, oh my god, show me what you got. these are some real ass bangers. Never understood the disrespect on its name. Its worse than AG and The Black Album sure but both of those are arguable HOV top 5 black album being his #2 to me. I went through nastradamus as well and honestly like Come and get me, project window and Family with Mobb Deep are all great. these albums arent bad.
The fact you guys don’t put fabokous or other rappers in top 50 is insane
I don’t listen to gunna much but a gift and a curse is fire that’s a good album, that mf been in my rotation since it came out😂
Fire video W
12:34 took me back to elementary school
really stinky take on drip or drown 2, top 3 gunna album
I agree with the Fix Before the Six being bad, but not happily. It hurts to say it since it’s Weezy.
My takes:
21 Savage: No, just mid.
Tyler, The Creator: No
Lil Wayne: No
Jay-Z: No
Lil Uzi Vert: Yes; Pink Tape
Nas: No
Gunna: No, just mid.
Lupe Fiasco: No
Meek Mill: No
Freddie Gibbs: No
POV slater not on Goblin but on wolf
ant man i love you man but slater is on wolf… not goblin
I bump She all the time. I know girl friends of mine that do too.
Pink Tape is not only a bad album, its an AWFUL album.
It’s good
Definitely mid pushing bad like they said. Him and his camp did all that talking just to rush out the final version of the album.
Y’all didn’t even put all of Wayne’s albums , block is hot, and if 21 savage has his mixtape, why not include Wayne’s also, and rebirth probably Wayne’s most influential album, all these rappers wanna be rockstars now 💯
Funeral isn’t a bad album but it’s definitely not his best
I’ve always thought that you guys were waaaay too lenient, so this episode was so frustrating for me lol. Love the content, but I disagree with so many of these conclusions
travis scott doesnt have a single album less then an 7 or 8
I love Tyler the Creator's song Tron Cat. I promise I'm not a psychopath.
The hate for it’s only me is crazy
Get my man Lu another shirt, he only ever wears this one istg 😭
Lu has to be trolling with that gunna take
Tyler the Creator my GOAT
Louis trippin about drip or drown 2 that’s insane
So much pink tape slander, definitely not a great album, but uzi's attempts at different styles was a highlight. The only bad song is CS, but theres so many bangers on it too.
The Nastradamas hate is boring. It came out in the MTV era when hip pop was becoming pop. It was mainstream because that’s where the interest was.
DOD2 is probably Gunnas best album. Only a non gunna fan wouldn’t understand.
Drip or down 2 is fire
THAT TAKE FROM LU THAT DOD2 IS TRASH IS CRAZY BRO THAT ALBUM IS ONE OF THE BEST ALBUMS FROM GUNNA.
GUNNA DOESNT HAVE ANY BAD ALBUMS PERIOD
This series would have been great with fantano
drip or drown 2 is fucking GAS i play so many off that record
if you gunna is your favorite rapper you arent real
Eternal Atake is Fire asf
Goblin (except for Yonkers and She) and Cherry Bomb suck so bad. But I absolutely love all of Tyler's other projects
i like cherry bomb alot
L take by Lu. Drip or Drown 2 is a good album. Not on the level of Wunna... but it is a good album
Drip or drown 2 is one of gunnas best
The disrespect on gunna
Lasers is overhated. There’s bad songs on there but theres a few good ones too
Tha fix before tha 6 was absolutely awful. I agree