Led Zeppelin - II - LP Review And Comparison What Version Is The Best
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- I go over the best sounding pressings of Led Zeppelin - II From 1969
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"im not a fan of digitally sourced records". yes you are, you just didn't know it yet.
Really appreciate that you've done this for Zep I & II. Would love to see the same for Zep III & IV
I really love your videos. I have the RL SS on both sides hot mix. My copy is probably VG but it sounds great. It doesn't skip and I rarely hear pops. It is one of my favorite albums of all time so thank you for letting me know that I have a great press. Have a great week.
The German half Ludwig is insane! I found a very clean copy and when you flip it you can tell that side 2 is not as punchy. Thanks for all the info.
I love watching these videos, just love them
How about Love Forever Changes?
Absolutely love this album, have a 1977 George Piros in -NM and absolutely love it!
I have the '77 Piros too, also in NM-, and I think it just rocks - sounds great! I also have a solid VG+/VG++ RL Presswell, which I would say has a slight edge for overall power and balance, but highly recommend the Piros to anyone not wanting to spend the money you'll need for an RL. To my ears, if the RL is the 10.0 overall, then the Piros is a solid 9.0, and on some songs probably more like a 9.5. Really, really good!
The George Piros is the best pressing for Led Zeppelin l. The RL is the best for Led Zeppelin ll. The George Piros Led Zeppelin ll is very good. Just as good as a UK pressing.
One record that i think would be really interesting to compare would be Queen II. The reason being is that its quite a challenge to get a decent sounding copy of this.
I'm brand new to the vinyl collecting and I love your channel. Its a real help on what to look for when buying albums!! You have a new subscriber here, thanks for the hard work and hours you put in to make these vids!! Keep up the great work 👍 👏
You Sir ...are one heck of a Ressource. NOBODY dares do what YOU do. Thank you so much. I just found out about the real worth of my NM-NM copy.
Before the "RL craze" was a thing, I bought a 1st pressing of LZ II many years ago. I put it on --whoa! The sound = kick ass. A couple years later I looked in the dead wax and saw the RL, so the hype is justified.
I actually worked at Columbia, Pitman in New Jersey and have many first releases.
If NM- worth 1000 apiece
Nice a lot of my favorite artists were on Columbia. I’d love to have Dylan’s albums on the early label especially Blonde On Blonde.
@sammencia7945 some are not even opened.
@danielcombs3207 don't have a first release of thar. I've got many zep before they went to their own label. Steel Dan, one of the first copies produced and many others. Many I have copies of and are unopened to this day. I've been offered a lot of money but just can't part with them. They're like part of my legacy now and will probably passed down to family.
@@billgross2097 I understand how you feel about passing it on to your family. I started gifting my records to my children a few years ago. Usually at Christmas time. They have their own music taste and I try to find artists they would hopefully like. My son loves The Beach Boys for instance and my daughter loves Reggae music. I held on to these records for decades now that they are adults and I’m a senior I think it’s time to let some of them go.
I bought a RL/VG++ copy many years ago when it was still affordable.It is alive. Soooooooogood.
Just found a copy in the wild this past week. It’s a VG at best and Mike isn’t kidding. This lp sounds amazing.
You're the best. Please keep doing these awesome videos!👍
I've always had a German pressing and the sound is rich and full. Years later I bought a sealed Canadian version and the sound is flat and lifeless lacking energy whatsoever. I wondered why and now I know thanks to this video!
Yes I picked up a few Led Zepplin lps in Germany they sound great
Cool video! Mine is a Ludwig CTH (Columbia Terra Haute). Probably EX to EX+ and paid $200. Worth it. When I described the sound difference to my wife she said "how different can it be?". So I played it. She said yeah sounds like what I remember. Then I played a standard US 70's version for her. She told me to throw it out. lol The difference is huge.
Mine meets all the RL criteria, it hasn't been played since around 1970. It looks to be in great shape. I've been trying to find time to sit down & revisit it, just can't find the time. I'll keep you posted.
Hi Michael I suggest the following titles:
Electric ladyland
Led Zeppelin IV
Beatles White album
Cheers
Electric Ladyland would be an amazing one as well as the white album.
For the White Album, I’ve heard good things about the White Vinyl edition. They were a limited edition and go for a lot of money, but the consensus seems to be one of the best.
@@TheTigersfan20 Apparently the capitol SRC pressings from the 80s are also very good. From capitol... I know. I'm shocked too.
@@utub1473, are you talking about the releases that have the maroon/wine/purple-ish colored Capitol labels?
I have one copy of that version and it sounds excellent.
@@MJEvermore853 I think it's actually a rainbow pressing from when the rainbow label returned briefly in the 80s.
Great comparison Mike. I know the reason the Zepp II RL copies were re-issued and sounded bad is because the average record buyer played it on crappy turntables. Chance are the rest of their audio system was also poor but the turntable is the source so that's where the garbage in garbage out idea is apparent. The old conical turntable cartridge stylus rode on the shoulders of the groove. This was before the subsequent eliptical stylus (v shaped tip), that could track right in the groove became available to the consumer. As such, Warner Brothers(WB) had many copies returned because they skipped. Yes, the great Robert Ludwig mastered first issue of Zepp II skipped because the so well defined groove modulation was just too much for those crappy tables. So, WB reissued an inferior sounding version which lacked the heavy bass modulated groove which caused the skips. The label forfeited sound quality just so no one would return their copies. $$ The buck wins out even when it comes to great truly classic records like Zepp II. Robert Ludwig was not happy about this but he was a mastering engineer who had no say in what the behemeth WB could do about this. Greg Calibi did the next best mastering for Zepp II. It's more or less like the Ludwig mastering.
This was insane to listen to..... only VG+...?? well people played them back in the day because it is a great LP. I still always hear stuff i hadn't noticed before when i listen to Led Zep LPs..
By far the best researched and honest record reviews on TH-cam! Will you be doing any future episodes comparing early 1980s West German and Japanese Target CDs compared to American pressings?
I have an original Japanese pressing from ‘69 and it sounds WONDERFUL. I don’t typically buy Japanese records but I had to check this one out. Look for the blue / green Atlantic label!
feeling blessed. I snagged a RL SS in Oneonta for $5!!!! it was in VG condition and th man had no idea what he had. I cleaned it up and it sounds/plays great!
i have the 1977 US press with
ST-A 691671-X @t GP (PR)
ST-A-691672 X @t GP (PR)
on matrix,It sounds superb to my ears. It has dynamics cut loud,bass and drums are thunderous,but i would like of course an RL copy.
I have the '77 Piros Presswell - agree, it's amazing, love it - 2nd only to my RL. There's a difference, and if you have a good system, you'll notice it. If you don't have a very good system, you may not -- they are actually fairly close, but my system shows the RL takes the edge - every instrument just sounds...better...and the overall balance across all frequencies just that much better. I recognize that many other folks probably would NOT recognize much difference......
I have a minty A5/B4 UK 3rd press (Killing Floor on label) which sounds phenomenal! It has the oomph and the grit but also a huge soundstage and especially on Whole Lotta Love! Super dynamic mastering and if all other early UK pressings sound as good as this then they are def not overrated. Mine has really quiet vinyl too - UK Polydor pressings from this period are normally top notch and on virgin vinyl. Hard to find a copy on Excellent upwards cond however.
so funny I have 2 RL's of this album (Zeppelin is my favorite band) I have cleaned them 5 times, still noisy in between tracks but once the songs start the noise is gone and Zeppelin just punch's you in the face!! Robert Ludwig's "Hot Mix" Blows anything i have away! Great video!! You nailed it!!
I just pulled a near mint columbia pitman double RL SS. I had a classic 200g, but this is my reference copy.
You should be checking them to see if first pressings glow under ultraviolet light. Or more correctly, display markings that look like marble. RCA, Capitol, Sire, Atlantic, King, Motown all did it, but never bothered telling the public "put your albums under a black light and be amazed." That record companies in competition would share a practice, and NOT capitalise on it, is pretty remarkable.
But finding a 1st pressing Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band that glows under ultraviolet light gets pretty easy once you know the system in which it was done. Just because it's a 1st pressing doesn't mean it will glow.
BTW -- don't bother checking non-USA copies. This was pretty isolated to the USA, UNLESS it was distributed through West Germany to the rest of Europe.
Used to buy every “Broadway Zep II I came across in VG++ NM. I’ve given away a bunch to most of my friends who are into records. I’ve got about 8 copies of II. One RL Monarch and one with RL on one side only.
These reviews have been great, keep em coming! Would love to see one of these for Elton John Madman Across The Water, Jethro Tull Thick as a Brick and/or Aqualung, Steely Dan The Royal Scam
The only Aqualung to buy is in the Warner-Reprise releases. All Chrysalis LPs of this are awful.
Ooh! I LOVE Madman Across the Water! :D
Got a presswell variant 2. To those hunting, stop worrying about the deadwax other than the RL. RL, RL SS, LH SS all sound good. Mike said it best when he said worry about condition first.
Beautiful Video Brother 🌹🌹🌹
Great video man! Thanks for sharing this with us, very information. I have a early us pressing I am happy with but want to upgrade sometime. Thanks and stay safe
just great u are the best,,btw this is my alltime favorite record of LZ..its a landmark masterpiece.
i have the french original 1st press and i think its sounds good....but i never heard another version on vinyl..i also have cd versions.... i own this record for over 30 years now..its my everything..greets from swizerland
I bought an LZ I and ll in Europe in 1971. Sounded great to me and have never saw another. I let my sister borrow it for a few days; went to get it and she left it lay in hot sunlight. Needless to say, it was a very bad day. I always wondered if that copy was a very collectible.
got a "G" graded copy monarch double SS for 50$, needless to say it's more like a G+ minimally and a VG mayyybe + maximum, it's incredible! I feel like I STOLE it!
I haven’t noticed you testing any Australia pressings yet?
Mike this is on the money i finally found VG+ a RL SS on both sides mine is very close to near mint only flaw some one wrote Mark Dewalt on the label Page acoustic on "Ramble On" is sensational it's like hes in the room with you Bonham drums is upfront and slammin' I know you really get the best out the record with you gear .I had a MoFi it was clean this RL killed it i sold the classic immediately
It would be great to hear your thoughts on The Mars Volta’s “Deloused in the Comatorium” on vinyl. It’s rare and expensive and hard to find and it seems shop owners come across them more. It had 2 or 3 differant versions. A pic disc, and a colored MOV press. Maybe one more. If your a fan that is.
The new remaster is a really great sounding album and likely to be the only one anyone can find that plays clean for under $300-500.
Every word is so true. The RL is the one to rule them all. The Piros copy is probably second best along with the classic and pretty good. I’m glad to hear someone else really dislike the modern digital remaster which just doesn’t have the life to it at all.
I also ADORE the RL Houses which is very common and an ESSENTIAL record!
Artificial Red yeah that would’ve been great but at least original copies of IV and PG are lovely. III is the one that seems to be the odd one out.
The opening of Dancing Days must be their thickest and packs the most whallop filled studio track of them all! The recording of Houses and Presence they used the best recording desks and or mic's,
pre-amps compressors and tape heads etc. There is a fatter sound stream with out demanding too much head room or hot mic's, insane!
nice gear you got there by the way. only thing that is missing is a Studer A807 Tape machine^^ cause that would be the machine of my choice if I had the money to buy one^
Somehow, I've managed to score two double RL US OPs in the past year, both in bulk buys. Paid maybe $1 for each of them. Kept the Monarch VG+, sold the VG for $99.
I just received 5 boxes of records for free and in them was a double "RL" copy of LZ II ( vg +) I never thought I would ever find one
Stay safe Mike!!! Thanks for the vids
Great video! Please do a similar review for LD’s Physical Graffiti. Thanks!
Would love a video like this on Animals or maybe Let it Bleed
I actually really like the MFSl version a lot. I listen to it on my KLH speakers and it seems to have enough kick for me. The 2014 digital version actually doesn't sound as bad as some say, but it is anemic. I'd say I love my MFSL and George Piros versions the most. Do not have a RL copy, though.
Yeah I agree that the MOFI pressing is great. A different sound than the Classic and RL but not bad by any means.
Finally broke down about a month ago and spent the coin on a VG++ PR RL SS both sides... UPS LOST it!!! I always purchase with PayPal, so not worried about the money , but my GOD UPS!! You couldn’t have lost a pair of Nikes or somethin... word to the wise, ship with someone other than UPS
I love these videos. Make a bunch of this. And John coltrane's albums, please! congrats!
notinto records so much but my brother got a player for his bday and i wanted to get this album on it to jam out, was wondering if RL cut is the same as this gentlemens 1st choice pick?
this is the description...
any help would be much appreciated
Vinyl, LP, Album, RL Cut, Terre Haute Press, Gatefold
Yes, as long as the seller mentions the "RL cut" (the Robert Ludwig mix), you're good.
To absolutely make sure, stand by a bright light or sun and look at the dead wax at the end of the record. You should see a tiny "RL" engraved on it. It can be a little difficult to see sometimes.
Hi Mike, love the video. Would love to hear you do one on the many versions of Cream - Disraeli Gears. (I have four different pressings) ~Peace
I really appreciate you laying out some options, since the RL pressing and other high-end copies are escalating out of reach for most of us. How do you identify a George Pieros copy? Mine has what looks like a small cursive gp I think. It also says HT (PR)p, W, AT ST-A 69171 J. You can spend hours researching these on discogs and still not be sure!
This is the matrix info for the Piros (1977) copy : ST-A 691671/72 - x @ GP (PR) ; "Presswell" - Atlantic SD 19127. I could compare with the german version RL side 1, and i can say: the Piros is very very close .If the RL is 10, the Piros is 8 (from 1 to 10)
Great video!
Was the 1st Japanese press (MT1091) included in your shootout?
God that's an awesome looking stereo
Today i managed to get my hands on a German RL copy (side 1) and a 1969 Australian 1st press. Had to buy them both by judging the record by eye, because the setup in the store was quite crappy. Now side one of the German pressing sounds great, but I was surprised by the Australian copy. The RL has a bit more punch and separation to my ears, but they are close in my opinion. Now the difference on the second side is night and day when comparing these two. The Australian pressing has so much more going on for it, it's louder and sounds more lively, while side two on the German copy sounds dull and muffled. So if you can find an original Australian pressing in good condition, grab it and listen to it. You might like it and it's not as expensive as an RL cut. The Australian seems like a very good compromise in my opinion.
Just scored another RL from an unaware seller, $25 - sleeve was trashed, but man, the record is clean! Very little surface noise, STRONG VG, more VG+. Gonna give it a spin clean and hope it gets VG++
Good for you. My copy is definitely closer to VG++, sleeve about the same, and I still consider getting it for $100 a steal, given every other version like that I've seen has been going for over $200 for the last year, it's insane really....but I sprung for it....and I love it. My deep clean helped considerably. The sound is full and as well-balanced as you'll ever hear --- it's just....right.
The 1978 mail-order japanese pressing blows all other japanese pressings away. The catalog code for that pressing is FCPA 1040. This one is really worth getting.
I must say that the very first Japanese pressing of this record with the blue and green Atlantic label and the black obi strip in my opinion sounds amazing. Of course it's not a Ludwig but it's pretty close, the sound is punchy and in your face, and John Bonham's drums sound like he's got his kit set up right in your living room. Maybe I'm crazy but it's definitely one of my favorite versions.
Love the sound of the UK plums , more balls than the US Classic , and to even think that the UK greens rivalled the UK plums is a little misguided to say the least .
Keep up the good work .
So Chad at Acoustic Sounds probably has possession of those 45 rpm metal plates that Classic Records had cut. Given the crazy prices, i wonder if Analogue Productions will ever get permission to repress these records? They have done this a few times with other Classic Records titles, Time Out, and Muddy Waters come to mind.
I doubt it. Jimmy Page said the reissues that he recently did where the best Led Zeppelin Has ever sounded.
I have also heard AS has the plates. If they do repress, it wont be anytime soon.
@@TheInGroove Jimmy Page doesn't wanna be in the same Room as a bunch of us folks In the vinyl community jimmy won't like anything we have to say
Would have been nice if you played the record for a short period, tnx for the video.
Hail Mike !
Keep up the good work.
The Velvet Underground [1969] in the near future, perhaps ?
I saw a LED Zeppelin 2 album on vinyl at half price books,never got it, but don't know what pressing it is,it could be a newly mastered,first pressing,second pressing or whatever.but i never came across any japaneese pressing of this album or other albums when i was building up my collection.
Would love to see...
Kate Bush - hounds of love
Steely Dan - Katy lied
Pearl jam - ten
There are many presses of these..
Great vid as always
The RL is the gold standard of all Zeppelin albums. Forget how you heard this record before because until you’ve heard the Ludwig, you haven’t. The Bass is thunderous, Bonham’s drums really POP, and Jimmy’s guitar is a screaming banshee. Who said vinyl can’t give you great bass and awesome dynamic range?
Whoever says it's not is an idiot!
The balance and power across all instruments and Plants voice is just amazing. Just perfect balance of everything in right proportions is the only way I know how to describe it.
great video thanks
I am finding 96khz 24bit flacs of the ludwig pressing and every monarch release on p2p programs and the money I just saved on car insurance is amazing.
I have my turntables hooked into a numark mixer just in case the mastering leaves something to desired. I usually keep the eq settings straight up at 0, but I can basically remaster it myself on the fly if needed for my preferred listening experience.
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i have a half-RL german pressing and i really recommend to get a full RL pressing of this, because the A side of my copy (which is the RL side) is SO much better, than the flat sounding B side.. really it is day and night.. i am disappointed every time i flip from A to B side, because the punch is gone.. especially the drums sound very liveless on the B side.. GO FOR FULL RL PRESSINGS guys! 😉
What do you think of the
Super Deluxe Box set version?
i have Led Zep 2 SD8236, the "LW" mix. back then, i was big fan, i must have bought it the first week out. Jacket is in good condition, no writing on it. Still have the paper sleeve. and "LW" is stamped on both sides. i would like to sale it.
Please do Simon & Garfunkel- Bridge Over Troubled Water!!
How does the sound quality of the Robert Ludwig mixed LP's compare to the sound quality of the remasterd CD's? Wouldn't the CD's sound better?
I think you missed a trick here as you could have shown what they are like on your beautiful hifi system there
Could you do a comparison video with The Doors debut album?
I'd love to see a vid done for that record. It's a masterpiece
So you didn't compare the newer version on the super deluxe box set that was done by Jimmy Page. It has the more pronounced Whole Lotta Love and I think it sounds amazing. It has a lot of separation and hard driving bass and drums. Of course I don't have a super expensive set-up but decent enough to know it stands out. I sold my Mofi years ago as well as my plum UK, as they don't do that album any justice.
Love your videos. I am moving to your area and can't wait to create dig in your store.
I had an Ampex clear reel(white label on the reel)copy and wondered if Robert sent a master to them for the first reel tape configuration of Zeppelin 2.
Im a VU Junkie and one day hope to aspire to a Mac but those monoblocks i don't mind saying i find those meters too big. Sorry there I said it. Great vid.
Your comments are interesting. I had heard years ago that the MFSL is the way it is because the original Robert Ludwig pressings were so "hot" that sometimes the music "kicked" the stylus right out of the groove and so they "toned it down". So regardless of the dynamics of the particular pressing, the music in general on this LP is so good that my MFSL copy, obtained from a "friend" (we are not any more for just the reason I am about to give) said to me: "if I never hear another click or pop in my life I will be ecstatic" and sold his entire record collection to me for $2.00 per LP. To say this copy is mint is an understatement - he was incredibly fussy and played his LP's one time to transfer to tape. He saw 8 years later what they are going for on eBay and wanted it back. When I said: "no" it was the last time he spoke to me - 10 years ago LOL. I also have an absolutely mint German Atlantic pressing. I'm happy. If I have $600 I'll spend it on a guitar and try my best to copy Jimmy Page. Not quite as anal as he was, I simply cannot listen to anything less than VG++ or that vague ground between a M- and VG+.
Hi Great video and review. You clearly aren’t impressed by Japanese pressings. I have a VG+ to near Mint Japanese pressing P 8042A Matrix A1/A2 and it sounds really hot to me. Obviously not to RL standards but for £12 only. It sounds awesome
What's the point of having 40 copies of the same album? This takes a lot of room in your collection and prevents you to have a bigger collection. Ok, you have 40 Rumours, 40 LZ2, 40 DSOTM and so on... while you could have 1 of these and thousands of other records.
Just my 2 cents.
Anyway, your videos are somehow helpful for those looking for the best sounding version, but also discouraging due to the prices of hard to find versions.
I can't believe there's so many different versions of an album
Just like the one u did on Steely Dan's- Aja
I never knew that..🤔 I thought they were basically all the say lolz 😹😂😹
Kool videos btw dude 👍👍
You obviously haven't been collecting music for very long, welcome to the nightmare
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 I'm only 18 so yeah I haven't ..my uncle has mad loads of records..I mean why so many different versions of a record and the prices too..it's mad crazy to me..I kinda don't understand all the different versions of a album..lolz 😹😂
@@ronaldolaquidara64
CDs are the same.
There's lots of reasons
The original tapes might not be available anymore, for many reasons such as they've been lost, degraded badly, someone owns them and won let anyone use them etc.
So we have original vinyl copies that used a stamper that was made from the original master tape.
But those wear out over time so if they reissue the album say 5 yrs later they can't make a new stamper because they don't have access to the original tapes so they have to use a back up tape which will be one step removed from the quality of the original.
Or
Certain countries never got access to the master tapes or stampers made from the original tapes and only got a back up tape which they then mastered themselves and made their own stampers from that so their version of the album is different (depending on the decisions the sound engineer who mastered the album made)
Then we have albums that have been re-mastered to "fix" some of the problems with the original (which often sound worse)
Then there's digital copies made from the original analogue tapes which go on to be used as the source to cut a new record sometimes these digital rips are then mastered for vinyl (this is a whole other story) or they are mastered for CD/digital so now we have another 2 different sounding albums.
But basically the different pressings come down to
- If original tapes were used or not
- Who mastered and cut the album and on what gear
- What mix they used
- What pressing plant pressed the album
- The quality of the vinyl e.g Japanese had the best quality but not always access to the best tapes or mastering etc
Hope this gave you some idea as to why so many different pressings.
It's all part of the fun of collecting vinyl, you've gotta know what to look for in the deadwax.
🤘🤪🤘
the one with RL written in the run out groove of the LP.
Can you please give a review of Led Zeppelin IV?
For a conversation topic I sometimes ask people their 3 albums to take to the proverbial desert Island. Mine are ZepII, Love Over Gold and Dark Side of the Moon.
Very curious, have you ever heard a reel to reel version at 7 1/2 fps? I hear it's better than any vinyl.
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Thanks Mike, just what I wanted to hear. Really like your videos.
Do you like the Robert Ludwig copies?
The jimmy Page remastered series are still the best sounding versions.They sound amazing.
I just threw up in my mouth a little
If the Ludwig cut is so awesome, why doesn't somebody replicate it? It at least sell it on CD?
Hi I have a copy with dead wax markings ST-A-691671-Y. I think it has EAST around the spindle hole, but I can only see the “T” clearly. Other weird things - it starts out CSD ST-A..., but CSD is scratched out. It’s also initialed EJ or E2. It’s a very clean copy! Can u tell me more? Anyone? Discogs does not have this version in their database. Thanks!
The Ludwig'69 original is still the best!!!Whole Lotta Love just stomps with the bass!!!Look for the light lime green /dark red label,small print title Specialty plant RL copy,especially.I had one.
What about the Classic Records 180 gram version. Is that the same stamper as the 200 gram?
Yes.
Amazing how you hear great and awful reviews of MFSLs press
What about the White Label mono promo? To me it is the pinnacle of in your face and powerful Zep...yes I know they are extremely rare and expensive but I would put it up against any other pressing.
Cool diffusion wall.
How can we know about the VG thing on the records when searching for one?… is it only on the wax? Or is there other way to know this info ?
What is the original pressing?
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