Simple (But Elegant) Bowl: Beginners Woodturning Project

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  • @charlesearl3994
    @charlesearl3994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very well done gave me a lot of information now I'm about to go turn my first bowl

  • @MikeWaldt
    @MikeWaldt 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An excellent guide to bowl turning Martin, not just for beginners, but us more experienced turners too. Well produced and documented, with just the right amount of detail, to provide a solid tutorial for turning a bowl. Well done mate.
    Cheers
    Mike

  • @imransajan4388
    @imransajan4388 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Probably one of the best beginners bowl turning video I have seen. Thank you so much. Very inspiring.

  • @meganseklig7868
    @meganseklig7868 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've watched a ton of woodturning videos. I was recently asked by a new turner to recommend a 'bowl making video'. I sent this one! Saban explains so well, shows the full process, uses good turning techniques, and calmly shares safety tips. For a new turner, this video should be required viewing!! Thanks for your care in making it.

  • @pablolynch1152
    @pablolynch1152 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, you really want viewers to learn from your experience.

  • @thebabayaga9290
    @thebabayaga9290 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Martin I’m 62 yr old retired and my daughter got me a gift certificate to Rockler, a hardwood/hardware chain, for a bowl turning class and I loved it. Although the instructor was adequate that day considering 6 new turners, I understand more of what your saying and explaining.
    Thank you for your time

  • @joerangel9871
    @joerangel9871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There should be more people like you who take the time to explain the movement of the tools, simple and informative. I've only been turning for a couple of months, but this certainly helps with my confidence. Ty, beautiful bowl 🥣.

  • @carolinefleming3194
    @carolinefleming3194 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am a complete novice and have just started to watch your videos. You really do miss nothing out and I have followed this bit by bit while I am working. Very useful. Thank you I will be watching more!

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good afternoon Caoline. Thank you for your kind comment. It’s a privilege to be able to inspirepeople through TH-cam.All the best,Martin

  • @yuliyabryant4052
    @yuliyabryant4052 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got inspired by this video. Thank you for sharing such a beautiful video. I am definitely going to make this bowl.

  • @Tom-eq7qr
    @Tom-eq7qr ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicely done. I've turned several bowls including a segmented one, but it never hurts to watch others as you can never stop learning. Tom Fronapfel

  • @55mikesim
    @55mikesim 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    as a beginner watching you is very helpful

  • @leonardhearn-y3q
    @leonardhearn-y3q ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for taking the time to explain in detail all the stages in turning a bowl, I am a new turner and even at my level I was able to understand clearly these steps. I look forward to being able to put your helpful teaching to use. Thanks

  • @tonysoares6581
    @tonysoares6581 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are the best. I am retired and want to make this hobby. Seen other videos but yours is the best

  • @michaelhunter2425
    @michaelhunter2425 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it's greate that you help our new turners. Way to go!!!!!!!!!

  • @darchart43
    @darchart43 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was really helpful to me because of the way you had broken down each step of the process. There even things I did not realized I was doing until I had seen this video.

  • @JimG31547
    @JimG31547 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A great project bowl for the new turners. Thanks for taking your time to video and share with everyone.
    Jim

  • @cobberpete1
    @cobberpete1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Martin, turning for about two months now and came across Mike Waldt; he is always singing your praises so of course had to take a look. Glad I did and have learnt a few things just from the couple of videos I have watched so far, an added bonus is that you are left handed :D :D so I can see how you are holding your tools which is most important to me at the moment to reduce the number of 'Catches' I am experiencing. Looking forward to many more of your projects.

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Peter. Thanks for your comment. I am glad you enjoyed the video and benefited from you, being left handed like myself. I hope you continue to enjoy my productions.
      All the best,
      Martin

  • @vincentsmith1602
    @vincentsmith1602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the way you explain your methods more than other youtuber and will be turn my first bowl tomorrow. thanx for the video ; )

  • @buddyboyer2274
    @buddyboyer2274 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice and informative best I’ve seen yet. Thanks a lot I’ll be watching. Great camera work be the way.

  • @Whoozerdaddy
    @Whoozerdaddy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video and *very* pleased to see that you are an actual wood *turner* rather than one of the increasing number of wood scrapers.

  •  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank You I will be making my first bowl soon and
    follow you as I go.

  • @arleyloeffler8205
    @arleyloeffler8205 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job. And, you're a very good teacher. I have some turning experience, but this was well worth watching. Thank you!

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very kind of you to say so. Thanks for watching and I'm pleased the video helps.

  • @Bretonlad
    @Bretonlad 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoyed this edition of beginners woodturning project, nice to produce a bowl from scratch, with attention paid closely to finishing. Thanks Martin keep up the good work.

  • @janscholtes5063
    @janscholtes5063 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bedankt voor de duidelijke uitleg.
    Thanks for the clear explanation. Even for me it was to understand.

  • @steveweaver69
    @steveweaver69 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    WOW.....walked out to the porch today...so happy....a box from WALNUT LOG with my Yorkshire Grit AND Hampshire Sheen. Can not wait to "give it a go" ( is that the UK way of saying?") Thanks guys.

  • @billk8579
    @billk8579 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Martin, a very nice simple but elegant bowl with a great finish. My grandson and I have been turning for a few months. I have viewed hundreds of videos. This is one of the best tutorials I have found. Thanks for taking the time to help.

  • @clintonevans1943
    @clintonevans1943 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great first bowl video !

  • @raineri-punkt9316
    @raineri-punkt9316 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Martin for your videos, i have learn so much as a beginner, LIKE !

  • @markharrisllb
    @markharrisllb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As someone who hasn’t even got his lathe out of the box yet, this is the first video that’s made complete sense to me. I did watch one yesterday that got close, but I remember there were a couple of things that left me a little confused. Thank you and a very easy subscribe.

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Mark. Thanks for watching and for your kind comment. I hope you're getting into practice on your lathe now.

    • @markharrisllb
      @markharrisllb 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      M. Saban Smith Woodturning Unfortunately been unwell for the last couple of months, but on the mend now so hopefully I’ll soon be at it. Thanks for the reply.

  • @watcherdude1330
    @watcherdude1330 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello from 🇨🇦Martin. First time viewer and your newest subscriber. I’m new to wood turning and have made three boxes so far and SO FAR SO GOOD LOL. I am using some jointed and planed 2”x4”’s and they are all glued up and ready to turn . Searched on Here for a beginner bowl and VERY glad I found you. Your very clear and explain the process very well. Your time and efforts to teach us Newbies is very Much appreciated . A million thanks.

  • @alaricmedlock6833
    @alaricmedlock6833 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Martin, Even those of us that have turned a few bowls can use a refresher of the basics! Well done!

  • @MGMakes
    @MGMakes 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    what an elegant little bowl, i am just about to venture down the rabbit hole that is turning. So thank you for your guidance.

  • @philipguarino524
    @philipguarino524 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Marty, after watching your video I bought same Danish oil and have two coats on an ash turning....absolutely beautiful.

  • @philipguarino524
    @philipguarino524 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent instructor! Was a little imitated by the bowl gouge but will now make the effort. Thank you, Phil

  • @lexiemn
    @lexiemn 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are VERY good at explaining the various steps. I have learned a lot watching your videos. Thanks!

  • @ricardobarbosa6197
    @ricardobarbosa6197 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like too much! Nice and clear. Congratulations. I subscribed immediately.

  • @glen3257
    @glen3257 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    big like and subscribe! Just got my first lathe for Christmas a jet 121vs! Very excited to start my first bowl and here to learn how to turn it the correct way and safely. Thank you for your help.

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Congrats on your Christmas lathe, Jeff! Thanks for watching and I hope to be able to continue to help you through my videos.

  • @billthomas6296
    @billthomas6296 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am a beginner turner and I want to say thank you for a very thought out and simply explained in full detail of how to start turning a bowl. Martin, again I want to thank you. I look forward to viewing your other videos.

  • @Chocktawkid
    @Chocktawkid 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As someone that is considering getting into woodturning, this is the best I have seen, if ever you want to try teaching please do so.. I wish I was on the other side of the pond, I would be at your door step.

  • @keithhart4521
    @keithhart4521 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Martin
    Thank you for this lesson.
    I have been turning for a couple of years now and I realise that watching these beginners lessons I have learnt some bad habits.
    Thank you for putting me on the straight and narrow again.
    From an Aussie.
    Keith

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Keith. You're welcome. We all have bad habits, and for the videos I put out, I have to remember the 'proper' methods. Lol.
      All the best,
      Martin

  • @bevellis1
    @bevellis1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m a beginner, I find your tutorials very helpful. I like that you go through the steps slowly with explanations. Thank u

  • @nigellacey8505
    @nigellacey8505 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Many thanks great video nice and clear and hopefully I can turn a nice bowl , thanks again

  • @kevbryant7199
    @kevbryant7199 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm so glad I watched this video. You really do show and explain in enough detail how the task in hand is completed. Brilliant thank you.

  • @davidfairman5461
    @davidfairman5461 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish I had a lathe to make wonderful pieces like that. I am hoping to make a treadle lathe in the near future though. Thanks for the vids Martin.

  • @earlrumble1692
    @earlrumble1692 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Martin, IMHO this is your best effort to date in the beginners series. I especially liked (appreciated) the overhead shots as they truly demonstrated just how the tool cut. Perhaps it is my new glasses cleaner but it seems that your camera is providing a more clear image. Thanks so much for all the hard work you have done, not only with this series, but with the total package of information that you are providing the turning community. You sir, are a prince!

  • @siga4life1
    @siga4life1 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got a lathe for my birthday from the wife, hopefully ill turn my first bowl soon... I stumbled upon your tutorials and i must say they are the best ive seen on youtube! Very nice mate, appreciate the videos.
    Keep it going.
    From a south african living in france.

  • @stevephilpin9216
    @stevephilpin9216 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant video iv just started wood turning and your video was very helpful in many ways thank you 👍

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm very pleased to hear that Steve, and glad that you have taken up woodturning.

  • @TheClintmeister
    @TheClintmeister 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The best, easiest bowl turning video I have seen! Thx.

  • @d.johnson499
    @d.johnson499 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi from Atlanta, I'm a new subscriber. I just started woodturning (only one presentable bowl so far) and I'm enjoying your very helpful and well-made videos. Thanks!

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for your comment, much appreciated. I'm glad you enjoying my videos.

  • @pixfdave
    @pixfdave 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks so much for this, you do a wonderful teaching job for us newbies. And you had me rolling on the floor as you counted the lines on the ruler to convert 10mm to imperial :)

  • @robertbess5601
    @robertbess5601 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done, Sagan. Watched a couple of times. Excellent instructor.

  • @Tignoso79
    @Tignoso79 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sir, you’re a “living guide” 👌👍
    I’ve never run across such a clear and detailed description of the bowl turning basics for a beginner before.
    Extremely clear explanations (I loved the indications of the angle for gouge’s flute 🤓) even for non-English native speakers like me.
    If ever a woodturning textbook had to be written for schools, please be among the authors 😉
    A big big Thank you 🙏🏻
    Fulvio from Rome

  • @ianwood8223
    @ianwood8223 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the second time I’ve watched one of your video and the first thing I noticed was the lack of music the second thing I noticed was how instructive well done and thanks

  • @frankfitzpatrick882
    @frankfitzpatrick882 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent presentation Martin. Simple forms can be both elegant and challenging to achieve and finishing well makes all the difference, great beginners project.

  • @kensingh1678
    @kensingh1678 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, Martin, for your videos. You do come down to the level of a beginner. One doesn't feel intimidated with your teaching. God bless!

  • @arleyloeffler8205
    @arleyloeffler8205 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your taking us through the beginning steps of turning is the best instruction video I've seen

  • @gcottee
    @gcottee 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    great job Martin spot on for the beginners ,take care garry

  • @dc4460
    @dc4460 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such great explanations and teaching, every stage is explained perfectly and reasons why he's doing it that way and what to look for. TY Martin for your videos...

  • @ericbox707
    @ericbox707 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video. Well done!

  • @theogburner
    @theogburner 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Many thanks for keeping this simple and not assuming too much of us beginner wood turners. Perfect.

  • @snovku
    @snovku 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just got a lathe as a Christmas present. Finding how to use it before I get started, Great vid. Thank you. Have subscribed to your channel. Keep up the good work. :-)

    • @glen3257
      @glen3257 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here! I hope you are excited as I am to start!

    • @snovku
      @snovku 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@glen3257 Excited, yes, and a bit nervous to tell the truth. These videos certainly help. Have fun with your lathe. 😃

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Sandy! Welcome to the world of woodturning. I'm pleased you found and subbed to my channel. I hope the videos continue to help you.

  • @charlesdowrick2075
    @charlesdowrick2075 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've turned a bowl already but was mostly interested in your finish process. Very nicely done.

  • @johnw.peterson4311
    @johnw.peterson4311 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best tutorial I have seen. Very good job sir.

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very kind of you to say so, John. Thank you. Safe turning!

  • @PaulLockwood
    @PaulLockwood 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent as usual Martin. I do like the way you deal with metric and imperial, just like me you know the full inches and feet but when it comes down to the fractions you just can't beat a good mm. Well done.

  • @ragnost1912
    @ragnost1912 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Only just come across your channel, nice video clear simple instructions will look forward to watching more of your work

  • @terrrywilliams3617
    @terrrywilliams3617 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    First time here Martin. Very informative. Just made my first bowl yesterday with a new bowl gouge and had a few problems. After seeing your video I saw what I was doing wrong. I’ll try another one later and see how it works out. I had to smile on your confusion with the imperial measurements. I’m from the states and have the same confusion with the metric system.

  • @aidanbrennan9989
    @aidanbrennan9989 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really great video. Well done

  • @daveeyley1784
    @daveeyley1784 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bought a lathe. Now learning how to turn a spindle/bowl before I switch it on. Your videos are really informative in a easily digestible way. Keep it up. I may even plug the lathe in soon. :-)

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great to know you're finding the videos useful, Dave. Thanks for watching.

  • @paulschmolke188
    @paulschmolke188 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent instructional piece! Good camera work, clear explanations...very nice looking bowl too...sometimes simpler is better😊

  • @jarvishearn6359
    @jarvishearn6359 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Discovered your video just today. You make a great presentation. I like the angles you provide for cutting and turning. Well done my friend.
    Jarvis

  • @johnnyhayward69
    @johnnyhayward69 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Iv'e just started learning how to make bowls and watching your video has made it a lot easier because you actually show how to use the tools compared to other vids iv'e watched thanks mate.

  • @maryjocookson7156
    @maryjocookson7156 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video and clear explanations, thank you.

  • @lenking1914
    @lenking1914 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great demo and explanation, now i see where i am going wrong,,many thanks Martin.

  • @philiplannen4818
    @philiplannen4818 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just watched Basic Sycamore bowl video, it has answered a lot of what I was doing wrong, will definitely watch more

  • @rodjewell5138
    @rodjewell5138 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Martin! I want you to know I have now 3 favorite turners to learn and grow from and they are Steve (Templeboy Turnings), Mike Waldt and yes you. You are the icing on a cake not hiding anything and showing actually how you do most things. I truly enjoy learning from you. Thank you VERY much!!

  • @williamlynch4899
    @williamlynch4899 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoyed the instruction very much. Very informative. Look forward to more of your work.

  • @Steve-in-the-uk
    @Steve-in-the-uk 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Martin, I have watched it several times and each time I am learning and remembering more! Cheers, Steve

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great to know, Steve. Thanks for letting me know.

  • @Ksloane1206
    @Ksloane1206 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Video was a big help, thank you!

  • @thesixofus7338
    @thesixofus7338 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks very much for making this demonstration video. Once it cools down in my garage shop, I plan on turning my first bowl. Great job!
    Mike

  • @ericmcrae7758
    @ericmcrae7758 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Martin
    Very good instruction for new turners. A couple of things to add that may help.
    Mark Hobster problems could be that his tools are not sharp enough. It is important to keep them sharp and even sharpen them again before the final finish cuts. Also lathe speed possibly he is running too slow and making too big a cut - try little cuts.
    If it is your first bowl beware of the outer rim which will be razor sharp until the edge is dressed back.
    When sanding it is important to change grit size 120,150,180, 240,320,400 without missing any out.
    I reckon you covered every thing else and BTW I love your shavings!
    Keep up the good work I usually learn something.

  • @2DEZFUL
    @2DEZFUL 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very thorough treatment of all bowl turning activities and clearly explained in easy to understand terms for the beginning turner. Good video !

  • @JohnOSullivan_bray
    @JohnOSullivan_bray 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    fantastic video. best tutorial for a beginner I've come across. thanks!

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi John. Thank you for your comment. I hope you continue to enjoy the videos.All the best,Martin

  • @joeoleary5346
    @joeoleary5346 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video. I am somewhat experienced, and you hit all the key points for newbies.
    Great job.

  • @traceyhill2962
    @traceyhill2962 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't wait to turn my first bowl, brilliant instructions thanks

  • @haroldsmith6533
    @haroldsmith6533 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice instructional video...you make this look easy!

  • @sgtbma1
    @sgtbma1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been turning for a year or so , have been struggling some , but getting it done . I wish I had learned from you to start ! You are the best teacher for beginners, for sure ! New subscriber! 👍

  • @garymac121
    @garymac121 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the very clear instruction and camera angles. It is a nice bowl

  • @fa18mhr
    @fa18mhr 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My first attempt at turning a bowl was a disaster, so I haven't tried it again...yet. I think this video is the best beginner demonstration that I have seen...and I have looked at a lot. I especially liked how you added the graphics denoting the tool angles and cut path across the inside of the bowl. I now feel confident that my next effort will be a success. Many thanks.

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're very welcome, and thank you so much for watching - I'm glad it has helped you.

  • @philochristos
    @philochristos 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are an excellent teacher. I can't wait to try this. Thank you.

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you Sam, hope you enjoy turning it.

  • @samdavies3025
    @samdavies3025 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    As a retired primary school teacher, I really appreciated the breaking down of each stage into its component steps. Big thank you .

    • @malcolmsoutham1336
      @malcolmsoutham1336 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brilliant easy to follow instructions thank you 👍

  • @arcritewelding
    @arcritewelding 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoyed your video. Just bought a lathe and am half way through my first bowl. Ready to turn it around into the Chuck.... Nervous it's going to fly off and hit me! Thanks for the effort you put in producing these videos.

  • @brendangallagher732
    @brendangallagher732 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Martin
    I’ve been using my lathe for about a year now , turning pens and drawer handles and such, and decided I was au fait with the tools enough to try a bowl. Thanks to your fantastic video I turned my first bowl in cherry successfully! I now have the confidence to develop and produce more advanced stuff.
    Many thanks,
    Brendan

  • @mariologtenberg
    @mariologtenberg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    very informative Martin, thank you. especially the graphics are an excellent extra (direction of sweep)

  • @paulhayward8876
    @paulhayward8876 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am enjoying your videos, have ordered my lathe cannot wait to start. putting youinstructions into action. Paul

  • @lynneast3896
    @lynneast3896 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am very very beginner and all I know I have learnt from you

  • @dldfarm
    @dldfarm 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used your video after the bf got me a lathe and you saved me so much headache by explaining things thanks! So happy to have found your vid

  • @kevinsmith1976
    @kevinsmith1976 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Martin for helping me see again the beauty of turning wood. Your ideas have stoked the little grey cells and helped
    greatly.

  • @AICTTRADER1914
    @AICTTRADER1914 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video, i got the lathe and all the tools but not taken the plunge yet, can't wait to have a go next week and go the the woodworking show also. i need to get a bowl gouge also.

    • @msabansmith
      @msabansmith  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Paul! Thanks for your comment. I hope you continue to enjoy the videos.All the best,Martin

  • @jimberkenfield7957
    @jimberkenfield7957 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent video and explanation. thank you!

  • @0602Jonboy
    @0602Jonboy 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent tuorial martin, as a beginner I find your explanation and reasoning invaluable, thank you. Tony. (from the uk)