Thank you for breaking down this topic biblically. People are always trying to justify it because of the Bible but people keep forgetting that those in the Bible were rebuked also!
No matter what one women one man they rest is just r sick self!!!! What the holy Bible tells us is GOD WORD TO US AND YES WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IF NOT WERE A WABE CHRISTIAN WITH OR OWN SICK DESIRES!!!!
Nobody here is trying to justify anything! There is no need to justify that which God never calls a sin, and the forms of polygamy that he fails to address in this video, which God actually DOES condemn, no one here is trying to defend!
I’m finding myself here everyday Pastor. Thank you for calling things for how they really are, you are inspiring me to take a leap in my calling. Yahuah bless you in the name of Yahushua Ha Mashiach
Me too I’ve been coming back daily 🙏🏼🤍 he says a lot of the things I’ve been looking for someone to say but so many are afraid to step out in faith and teach THE TRUTH.
So you claim that he is calling things for how they really are, but he just starts off with a Logical Fallacy. Logical fallacies are used to deceive. You are deceived!
After an exhausting non-biased Bible study on the topic, I came to the conclusion that nowhere in the Bible does it ban the practice of multiple wives. It only speaks against divorce. It's strictly bans deacons, pastors and elders in the New testament (1 Timothy 3:2, 1 Timothy 3:12 & Titus 1:6 ) and Israeli kings in the Old testament (Deuteronomy 17:17). The New testament (1st Corinthians 7 10-11) says a woman can't divorce her husband but if she does, she has to either go back to him or stay celibate. If she remarries it's adultery. Then it says men can't divorce their wives and that's all it says. It doesn't give marriage quantity restrictions. The Old testament not only commands but gives instructions on how a man has to take in his brother's wife as his own if the brother dies regardless of if he's married or not already (Deuteronomy 25:5-10). The Catholic Church decided that multiple wives was adultery hundreds of years after Christianity had already been established. Martin Luther, the person who started the protestant reformation even wrote that polygeny was not a sin. Not to mention polygamy and polygyny is not the same. Polygyny is biblical and polygamy is not. Adultery is a married woman having sex outside of her marriage or married man having sex with a married woman. A married man having sex with a non-married woman is not adultery. If the sex is pointless and he's not going to then make that girl his wife or concubine which then requires the man to take care of all the women 100% then that's fornication. As a Christian, I can honestly say that polygyny in general is not a sin. All the biblical arguments used against polygyny from other Christians (usually American Christians) are always based on emotional appeal. Again as stated earlier, all the Bible verse that specifically speak against having additional wives are for deacons, elders and pastors in the New testament and Kings in israel in the Old testament. If you want to bring up the current laws of the land in America that's one thing, but we all know American law isn't perfect. 2nd Chronicles 24:2-3 Jehoiada got two wives for king Joash. It literally says, "Joash did what was right in the sight of the Lord all the days of Jehoiada the priest". In 1st Corinthians 7 10-11, it literally says that wives can't take up a second husband if they leave their first husband but husbands just can't divorce their wives. It doesn't give any wife quantity restrictions on the husband, it just bars him from divorce. Obviously it's stated like that because some Christian husbands had second wives. your also saying a man with multiple wives that wants to convert to Christianity already would be committing fornication for having sex with any of his other wives after conversion which would mean he should divorce them which is false. Christians cant divorce wife except for in case of adultery (wife having sex outside of marriage or husband having sex with married woman is adultery. Husband having pointless sex with random unmarried women is fornication not adultery (Leviticus 20:10 shows that adultery can only happen with a married woman involved). 1 Corinthians 7:2 states "Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband." The original Greek word used for "own" when referring to husband in this verse is singular and the Greek word for "own" referring to the wife is plural. Two different Greek words both meaning "own" but the "own" used for the man (heautou) always means exclusive ownership and the "own" used for the woman (idios) can mean exclusive ownership, shared ownership, shared access or even someone belonging to another. That's dead iron proof that even paul considered polygyny as already apart of the marriage concept. this is just one of those uncomfortable truths thats hard for the modern day christian to stomach due to the traditions of the world. like woman having to wrap there head in church for prayer and prophecy or women not being allowed to preach for another example. Feminism in the church has Christians blatantly ignoring those commands every Sunday. "I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." - Martin Luther Exodus 21:10 - "If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife." Matthew 5:32 "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except [a]sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery." If a man divorces his wife unjustifiably, the divorce is not considered valid in the eyes of God so when she remarries, she commits adultery and anyone else who marries a women in that situation would be committing adultery. Jesus also gave the parable of 10 virgins in Matthew 25: 1 -13. 10 women going to marry one man and only 5 being prepared for the marriage with other 5 being rejected. It was referring to the church and the rapture/return of Chirst but the parable in itself shows that even Jesus recognized polygyny Exodus 21:10 - "If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights." https:www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/865-adultery
But what about the scriptures he mentioned in the video? Like Deuteronomy 17:17 • “He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.” Or was that only directed at Kings? Other scriptures he mentioned? If all of the implications are that the original design is one wife for one man, wouldn’t that go against Gods word? Disobedience is a sin. I hope you are 100% sure you know exactly what you’re talking about. The possibility in that you lead many people astray can come at a great cost.
@@lionedheartwe know that the deut 17:17 command was to kings, and specifically not to take many, (as in too many) because then they would have to spend so much time on these wives they can’t focus on God or being king. Secondly, God only made Adam and Eve because he doesn’t want to intervene more than absolutely required, he didn’t want to make any more humans than was required for them to reproduce, because he enjoyed and desired to see them populate the rest of the earth without him creating more than minimum. Also Romans 4:15 tells us if there’s no law against something there is no sin, that applies to this. Also one flesh just means literally that (flesh/sex) 1 Corinthians 6:15-16 (KJV) 15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. You can be joined to a harlot! That you don’t marry! Furthermore the requirement for bishops to be the husband of “one wife” is either not to be taken how it looks (read the gotquestions article about the meaning of it) and even if it is literal, it would be a command only given to church leadership so that they can have one wife to avoid sexual immorality, and stop there to put a lot of focus on the ministry. If you have any questions add my discord Scheme2 or reply here! God bless you. Polygyny is biblically allowed but if it sounds weird to you just don’t do it! Don’t falsely call others sinners.
@@lionedheartYou are so right. The will of God is for one man and one wife and vice versa. But there are those who take passages out of context in order to justify polygamy. However that is against the will of God. And the Bible, Old and New Testaments, is so clear in this position. It doesn't really matter how much one studies the Bible if they don't study with the singular focus of putting God's will first and being open to the direction of the Holy Spirit. Studying just to support one's position is totally wrong. That is what the enemy wants us to do. There can never be any true understanding of God's Holy Word if we are set on our own desire. True wisdom can only come when His will is our focus.
@@lionedheartthis "what about" game eh? "What about" the scripture references mentioned here in response to the video?? Or "what about" the chances of you being intrinsicly biased towards this topic? As the bible clearly is not explicit against the practice. What he mentioned about David's fall was not about polygyny that was about fornication and adultery, which btw is absolutly seperate. Solomon's fall was due to idolatry and clearly he had wives from foreign lands that worshipped statues they also were idolaters. That was their sin. It never stated that God was ever displeased with his polygynous lifestyle. The ONLY time God appeared to be displeased was when he started worshipping foreign gods. That being said neither of the examples in the video with David and Solomon had nothing to do with polygyny. It was David- lust, fornication and somewhat murder ; Solomon - idolatry. When was polygyny their sin?? To address the same det 17:17 scripture... As the previous person mentioned "many" is suggested for the sole purpose of having too many wives to the point where you forget and lose time for God and your duties and hence being 'led astray'. This same phenomen eventually happened to even Solomon where he was led astray by his women from foreign lands. "What about" the second part of that same scripture 'neither shall he multiply himself silver and gold' this is in reference to wealth. Should I interpret this that because I am Christian I must not invest honourably in accumulating more money to have My family taken care of, comfortable and fed?? Should Christians even invest and financially improve themself based on Det 17:17?? I think not. Again the same principle applies you should be able to improve financially but if this takes away from God well again you Will be 'led astray' God himself said "I am a jealous God" so the scriptures can be interpreted to understand why what is said is said.
Pastor, thank you for this message. I like the fact that you called out polygamy as Satanic. Some people of have been deceived into thinking polygamy is a cultural norm or an option due to shortages in males that are marital material. This is a very important message.
Says where in the Bible , as a christian imma be real ot doesn't say it in the Bible, we create rules and God honors the rules, so when you start to have a another woman God will not be happy because you made a covenant to this one woman, but technically you can have more than one wife
@@BigLEE82_7Mathew 19 speaks of divorce. It is irrelevant of having multiple wives. Not sure what you brought that chapter up. Mark 10 repeats the same thing as Matthew 19 Luke 16 says the same exact thing. 😅
Why are you bringing up David’s punishment from committing adultery (explicitly and repeatedly condemned in the Bible) and trying to conflate that with his polygyny? If his polygyny was the issue then why would God say in 2 Samuel 12:8 that he had given David multiple wives, would have given him more if David had asked? There are plenty of more scripture that go against your claims in the video.
Polygamy wa not mesnt to be so. In the beginning God created Adam and Eve. Not Adam, Eve, Maria, Sophia. And if you look at early Old Testament, all the men had one wife.
@@djidjine5082 the first polygynist was in Genesis Ch.4 so your 2nd point isn’t true. Also, God making one wife for Adam does not mean he prohibited more than one for everyone (because that would cause the Bible to contradict itself).
@@djidjine5082Your reasoning doesn’t have any logic. I sit somewhere in the middle as im doing research to figure things out as to what is true. Eve was more than sufficient to populate the Earth and start multiple lineages. They lived for almost 1,000 years. They had enough time to give birth to many children. Also, Adam and Eve are very unique human beings. As they were the first humans created without “sin”, first to disobey, etc. Having multiple wives is like being committed to multiple sisters, since all of our lineages leads directly to Adam and Eve. Exodus 21:10 “If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.” Many of the passages mention in this video are for the KINGS. It’s also speculated that Moses had two wives. Dont quote me on it, do your own research Another thing to add, it’s going to be literally impossible to follow every single word the bible says. We are born into sin. Which why Jesus Christ died on the cross. We are saves through his grace by having faith in him. Of course we must show proof of work by battling within ourselves to follow his word and asking forgiveness in prayer. Spreading Gods word so that people may find salvation through Jesus Christ.
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The context of become one (flesh) is about sex and not about (can not) having more than one wife. Here I give you the verse 1 (Corinthians 6:16 NIV) Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”
That Adam and Steve line was from a VERY long time ago. My pastor has been saying it for many many years. It’s always funny. 😂 Solomon had three HUNDRED concubines. (I’m guessing Richard just read it wrong or just said it wrong when he said 3. Whoopsie. Lol)
How didn’t she know any better when in Genesis 3:3 “‘It’s only the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden that we are not allowed to eat. God said, ‘You must not eat it or even touch it; if you do, you will die.’” She clearly knew that she wasn’t supposed to do what she did
Well the answer is a man shouldn’t have more than one wife because it’s not convenient but by the law of God he can marry more then one as long he can maintain both and treat them equal. YHVH gave David multiple wifes read it it’s there when prophet Nathan rebuked him because of the sin of he committed at the time. Brother be careful because that same thinking let you to believe a muslin with multiple wife’s can’t be saved or he has to divorce and stay with only one and God hate’s divorce. Don’t fight God on this one. Jesus will reveal it to you if you ask. Me personally I wouldn’t recommend to anyone to marry or just bring it to the table.
@@mareeserovski-w2b Oh really! So employing a Straw Man at the outset, is somehow true??? You are being deceived! Logical Fallacies are employed by people who are trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
@1:51 Matthew 19 is talking about divorce. Divorce and polygyny are not synonymous. Divorce is the breaking of a covenant. Divorce was already condemned by Jesus in Matthew 5. In Malachi 2:16 the Lord says “For I hate divorce.” So Jesus condemning divorce was not the complete 180 that Christians try to make it seem it was. None of the 3 things I just mentioned against divorce apply to polygyny so why are we using Matthew 19:4-6 against polygyny when a question about divorce was asked in Matthew 19:3. It’s dishonest and misleading.
God overlooked polygamy in the Old Testament because Christ had not yet been revealed. This is not something we should take lightly because it’s a heaven or hell. Jesus said to the Sadducees that Moses allowed the Israelites to divorce their wives because of the harness of their hearts but in the beginning it wasn’t so. In the New Testament it says a bishop is supposed to be the husband of one wife, why would God put that standard on bishops but not all Christians in general? A bishop is a church leader and is meant to set an example to other Christians.
@@Repent-j3m your first statement is not the Bible. It’s a baseless assertion. Your question asking “Why would God put that standard on bishops and not all Christians in general?” actually goes against your stance because why wouldn’t he simply say it was a sin for all Christians (like he does with literally every other other sin) since that would also include bishops anyways? Why single out bishops when he didn’t do that for fornication, adultery, drunkenness, lying, witchcraft, envy, etc. You have no answer for that. My answer for your question is that having multiple wives was a huge time commitment and could take your focus away from your duties as a bishop/overseer. Paul references how a wife require extra attention that single people do not have to give away. A man with multiple may not have the time to split between all of his responsibilities. Every restriction put on a leader is not for everyone. Levite priests could only marry virgins. That didn’t apply to the rest of Israel.
@@earnyourgoldWe cannot use things that were overlooked in the Old Testament to justify things that are not permissible now, such as polygamy, women of God used to wear jewelry in the Old Testament but in the New Testament says a woman is not suppose to adorn herself in gold not pearls nor costly array .
@@Repent-j3m sir, you are bringing up things that were explicitly talked against in the New Testament to then try to erase everything out of the Old Testament that you do not like. You can’t just apply statements pertain to one thing and say “well it also applies to this other thing as well.” It actually goes against your point. Why bring up jewelry (which I’m sure no one considers a salvation issue) but fail to prohibit polygyny? Could have easily been done away with at the Sermon on the Mount. You’re not making sense
Paul NEVER denounced polygyny. Paul was a man used mightily by God, and was in every sense, and apostle who was filled with the Holy Spirit. We can embrace Paul's teachings without accepting the nonsense of Roman Catholicism that insists on denigrating marriage and enforcing monogamy.
No where does scripture say "ONE WIFE ONLY" - such would mean God the Father broke His own law when he took two wives in Israel and Judah (see Ezekiel and Jeremiah) Parroting commandments of men is not impressive
Very insightful Pastor Lorenzo! I enjoyed this message! I have been following your ministry for a short period of time and I know that God has saved you and your wife for such a time as this.
According to ur bible : Polygamy in bible Solomon have 700 wives & 300 concubine Abraham 3 wives aarah,hagar,keturah Mose 2 wives miriam & Aaron David 8 wives Gideon 70 wives
I understand.What about David, Moses, Solomon, and Samuel??? It’s said they did and ITS A LOT OF Scriptures that back it up . I’m both but when I’m ready I want 1
To be a deacon in the church requires for a man to have one wife. And Paul said whoever seeks to be a deacon seeks a good thing as a calling. The simple truth, however, is that some people have ended up being tied to more than one person. My understanding is that Jesus said that no one shall divorce accept on accounts of sexual immorality - fornication, the breakage of a bond - because at this time, someone has already committed adultery and so there’s a bit of a freeing to that person to continue on with their next partner, although the initiation of it was immoral. So it is liberating in that sense. However, it is also my understanding that the Lord God hates divorce. (and institutes marriage.) He commands us not to commit adultery. My question is: if someone had had multiple partners, as a man, does that make him a husband to multiple wives? Obviously in scripture we see this. But because of jealousy, adultery, and the pains that follow, God says for man to love his wife. In fact, the scripture says, in English: husbands love your wives. But just remember that this shouldn’t give men license to commit further adultery.
Then why in the new testament the kingdom of God is also represented by the master with 10 virgins ??? Why God himself said to king David by the prophet Nathan that " I gave you multiple wives" ?? That is blasphemy , as if God sinned according to you ?? brother comon wake up polygamy isn't a sin !
God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve: a regular Jamaican saying yow. Thats one of the first things some of us would normaly say in denying homosexuality during a conversation.
It's a bad argument. Homosexuality is not wrong because of the fact that God didn't make Adam and Steve; it is wrong because God's Word clearly says that it is wrong! Adam and Eve have nothing to do with it! Paul uses the word "Arsinokoitai" to describe the action of sexual relations between men.
@1:28 love your ministry man, but you’re blinded on this one. You start off with the misunderstanding that you can only be one flesh with one woman. 1 Corinthians 6:16 clearly states that a man that has sex with a prostitute becomes one flesh with her. The prostitute has surely slept with other men and that verse does not only apply to virgin men. If the one-flesh principle is an exclusive thing only for one wife how would you explain that first? Be careful throwing around the term demonic when both God the Father and God the Son described themselves as polygynous.
@@buildingbreaker1946 you had your conclusion and find a way to try to get to it. Nothing in the Bible supports that statement. If people couldn’t experience that then that would’ve meant that anyone wife after their first was illegitimate. The Bible contradicts that. Apostle Paul understood the Torah better than any of us. If the one-flesh principle meant what Pastor Lorenzo is trying to say it means then he would’ve have said it regarding a prostitute that the man isn’t even marrying. We have to use every mention of “one-flesh” to understand its meaning and not just stick to the one that allows us to keep whatever preexisting doctrine we have. That’s eisegesis not exegesis
@@lightoffaithchristian4382 I’m well aware of that. I was referencing Matthew 25 in the Parable of Ten Virgins. In his Parables he is the bridegroom and I don’t think he would tell that parable in the way he does if he saw such a thing as demonic and not okay in the eyes of God. It would be like if he had told a parable where he was describe as a gay man.
Hebrew called chosen by the most high they drink strong alcohol and he has 3 wifes and has a ministry and said the most high Yah doesn’t condemn man too have one more wife I read the word I am baptized speak toung am divorced but I follow the Torah eat clean and worship Jesus Christ and got delivered by you on a preaching on spirits an sickness now please go see his videos Pastor Charles Dowel straitway ministry thanks pastor am Eunice blessings too you and family 🙏
Women are never called to be eunichs. Isaiah 4:1 tells us that they are asking a man to take away their reproach by allowing them to be called by his name.
@CrooKdLetterJ you do realise men acquired wives in the Bible for reasons other than sex right? Men marry more wives for political stability (e.g. King Solomon - Solomon just went too far with it), first wife is barren (every man has a right to have children and a barren wife isn't a reason to not take on more women if able to ensure the man's name lives on), build an empire, wealth and resources. So yeah polygyny is legitimately valid scripturally. Plenty of men are able to commit to more than one woman - the requirement for faithfulness for men to his wife or wives (see Exodus) is not sexual exclusivity but FOOD, SHELTER and regular SEX - a man with means, ability and desire can fully commit to multiple women. A woman was created for the man, not the man for the woman as the Bible clearly states (1 Corinthians 11:9) A man can even go through their lifetime without a wife or sex (so your point that men necessarily NEED a wife is actually pretty false). A wife is a pleasant for any man but not always necessity and plenty of men are doing just fine - I'm not advocating for sinful celibacy/singleness here Always remember there is no sin where there is no law and there is no law against polygyny - God's laws are pretty clear and to add to it God doesn't look kindly on as expressed in both the "Old" and "New" Testaments (the covenant never changed just the mediator (Moses ➡️ Jesus) 👍
@@CrooKdLetterJ What makes you think he doesn't know how to commit? You would think he knows even better how to commit than someone who can only commit to one wife!
Lots of opinions and emotions based off american culture. More study is needed with Hebrew & Greek on this topic. Jacob was not in a monogamous marriage. Just remember what God said about him⬇️ Malachi 3:6- “I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. Although many may not currently understand why some men had more than one wife, Malachi 3:6 tells you God never changed. Which means Christianity teaching on Genesis 2:24 is either wrong or God changed. 🤔 Im sticking with Yahweh. 🔥🙏 Shalom. Everyone is not a bishop, elder or deacon. So this does not apply to all man. (If you view it this way). There are more scriptures to bring up to understand the truth on this topic, vs opinions and American culture views.
Simply answer in that Old Testament time was NO Christian Religion as a matter of fact the Christian first term invented in New Testament... in Old Testament God was introducing His laws to teach the sinner to be His ... Remember Bible historical especially Old Testament took place in middle east (where the Lust Poodle are there with their own cultural wives, concubines -> familiar with kings & kingdoms) a theologian speaking here!
I'm sure we can all agree that God can never associate himself with anything unholy, which means he would not answer any prayers that is related to sin. These verses end the debate if a man can have more than one wife. 2 Chronicles 24:1-3 - Joash did what was right in the eyes of the Lord all the years of Jehoiada the priest. Jehoiada chose two wives for him, and he had sons and daughters. 1 Samuel 1:19 - Elkanah had intercourse with his wife Hannah(one of his two wives), and the LORD answered her prayer. So it was that she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. Exodus 21:10 - If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing, or fail to sleep with her as his wife. 2 Samuel 12:8 - I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. Deuteronomy 21:15 - If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love,when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. Deuteronomy 17:17 - He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.(This verse is stating that kings in Israel should not multiple wives from pagan nations, so Israel is not led astray. - This is what King Solomon did).
This pastor based his argument in a event that happened in a different way. So his argument not only is invalid but deceitful. You should read the whole 2 Samuel 11 and 12
@@CheersToYou007You cannot love two women the same. Polygamy is selfish love which is why there were always problems in the family of those who had many wives. Its also why in islam you can lie to your wife when looking for another woman to marry. Its not selfless its selfish
@@CheersToYou007You have already convinced yourself that you want more than one woman so that's all you will hear. Jesus doesn't play he said one man one woman if you look at another women you commit adultery. Don't play with your soul
Condemining something that God Himself did not condemned but even regulated and mandated specific instances makes for a dishonest reading of scripture Just admit you don't personally like polygyny - stop claiming you know the "heart of the Father" when nobody actually does except for what God has revealed, especially His through law (which did not change after Jesus came) In no place did the "heart of the Father" reveal a condemnation of polygyny in scripture - pushing the commandments of men and Greco-Roman authorities does not make one holy before the Lord of all the Earth
Never twist The scripture . A man can have multiple wives as a christian. Any part of christianity can do this . So can A jewish family And a muslim family . It's God, husband then wives than children. That is the order of the family .
@danieldeluca4936 Yes He was but don't forget why the man could only have one wife, also don't forget to factor in the concubine, she was not the wife and they could have had as many concubines as they could afford to take care of, people that reference her as a wife is why there's so much confusion, having more than one wife creates confusion in the law as to who is the proper heir to the man's estate and assets, only the child of the wife became the true heir although the children of the concubine were still cared for as they belonged to the man
@@warren6790 Well, this turned out to be true in the case of Jepthah. Obviously we have several men in Scripture who did have multiple concurrent wives. Who says that they couldn't?
@danieldeluca4936 there were many more that had concubines only not mentioned in the bible, building up the nation of Israel was very important, also although in scripture the concubine and the wife appear to be the same, their not, one is a covenant woman where the other is a promised woman, the concubine is not the wife nor is the man the husband, she's referenced in scriptures as the man's woman, same laws applied to her concerning faithfulness, she could only have that one man sexually for obvious reasons, she's mentioned many times in the new testament only the translators used the word wife for her, you'll only see this from studying ancient Greek, KJ translators messed it up, the Catholic church set the course of belief concerning concubines and they were done away with, at the time this happened the Catholic church ruled what was written, if you didn't believe as them you could have been put to death, the Catholic church are the ones Paul said would depart from the faith, they became very powerful, all translations just follow KJ so not to offend the masses, so many words were added or changed in the actual Greek it's impossible to determine what was really written, only the spirit can reveal the truth, the many that's come in Jesus name deceiving many has already happened only they don't know it, they really believe their serving God, only by their fruit will you know them, that's not simple for the average person but someone that studies ancient Hebrew and Greek will see it, it's the main reason there's so many different faiths, it's not going to change either it can only get worse as no two people think alike
@@warren6790 I object to this statement, "so many words were added or changed in the actual Greek it's impossible to determine what was really written." I agree that a lot of men had concubines, but clearly some men had multiple wives concurrently.
I was just randomly scrolling through the comments and noticed your picture and just wanted to say you're absolutely glowing with the Holy Spirit, and it made me happy haha. God bless sister in Christ🙏🏼❤️
So you are starting off with a Straw Man! Just because people did it, doesn't make it right, of course, BUT the fact that they did so AND YET there is not even a hint of condemnation for them doing so, is all the proof that we really need. You see you left out that last par about God NEVER saying "Thou shalt not".
You got good intentions but your words are not structured. too many opinions and less facts and constantly diverting away from your train of thought and the topic.
Good intentions, but he is employing Eisegesis all over the place. He is starting off with the false premise that it is wrong instead of reading the Scriptures to determine if this is what they actually say.
You said “ if God hates divorce, God hate’s polygamy” You absolutely wrong. Paul was only ADVISING as you agreed. One man to one woman with Adam and Eve was before sin. Adam and Eve did not kill animals to eat so unless we do because we are not in a perfect world. The perfect God loves all. Jesus Didn’t marry. Paul advised to stay single 😂. God was literally giving David more wives and said David could have as many as needed. One wife has many problems and causes divorces so don’t pretend like it’s better than many. God made each man to love as many wives as he was conditioned to love. Some men 0 other men many. Islam was smart enough to keep that tradition of God so they can spread Islam by having more children. Christianity now has been tricked into 1 wife and less children while Muslims multiply. Gotta read the Bible again. God confirms everything 3 times minimum that’s right for us. David a man after Gods own heart to love many women, sadly he was a sorry father
Im glad you have the fortitude to go against Islam. Sahih Muslim 2143 says the most vile and wretched on Judgment Day is the one called the King og Kings. We all know who has the robes that say King of Kings, Lord of Lords. I converted a Muslim by birth this way while in prison. Dropped Islam like a hot potato.
Praise God you have come into His family. However, Scripture NEVER forbids someone who is not a bishop, deacon, or elder from having more than one wife.
During those times the Lord God allowed them to have many wives so that they will be able to expand the lineage that follows the true God, and marriages at the time acts as an alliance between families, for either economic and political reason, in a way it gave a purpose to spread the influence of the true Living God. Today we have to stick to one we don't live on those days anymore were kingdoms battle for expansion and power.
No where did the Lord God suddenly change from many wives to just one (after male nature and their role - that God created - changed over night) If you still believe this then you believe that God is hypocrite who broke His own law by marrying two wives Israel and Judah (Ezekiel and Jeremiah) of whom he created a new covenant after the ressurection of Christ Jesus Adding gynocentrism to scripture is not a good look
Thank you for breaking down this topic biblically. People are always trying to justify it because of the Bible but people keep forgetting that those in the Bible were rebuked also!
No matter what one women one man they rest is just r sick self!!!! What the holy Bible tells us is GOD WORD TO US AND YES WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IF NOT WERE A WABE CHRISTIAN WITH OR OWN SICK DESIRES!!!!
Nobody here is trying to justify anything! There is no need to justify that which God never calls a sin, and the forms of polygamy that he fails to address in this video, which God actually DOES condemn, no one here is trying to defend!
@@irenegonzalez3913 Chapter and verse!
I’m finding myself here everyday Pastor. Thank you for calling things for how they really are, you are inspiring me to take a leap in my calling. Yahuah bless you in the name of Yahushua Ha Mashiach
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Me too I’ve been coming back daily 🙏🏼🤍 he says a lot of the things I’ve been looking for someone to say but so many are afraid to step out in faith and teach THE TRUTH.
Only threw JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF YAWHA no one can get to YAWHA WITH OUT KNOWING HIS SON THE KING OF ALL KINGS AND THE LORD OF ALL LORDS!!!!!
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So you claim that he is calling things for how they really are, but he just starts off with a Logical Fallacy. Logical fallacies are used to deceive. You are deceived!
Adam and Eve means there’s only 1 to 1.
For Adam and Eve of course, but that has NOTHING to do with the rest of humanity!
After an exhausting non-biased Bible study on the topic, I came to the conclusion that nowhere in the Bible does it ban the practice of multiple wives. It only speaks against divorce. It's strictly bans deacons, pastors and elders in the New testament (1 Timothy 3:2, 1 Timothy 3:12 & Titus 1:6 ) and Israeli kings in the Old testament (Deuteronomy 17:17). The New testament (1st Corinthians 7 10-11) says a woman can't divorce her husband but if she does, she has to either go back to him or stay celibate. If she remarries it's adultery. Then it says men can't divorce their wives and that's all it says. It doesn't give marriage quantity restrictions. The Old testament not only commands but gives instructions on how a man has to take in his brother's wife as his own if the brother dies regardless of if he's married or not already (Deuteronomy 25:5-10). The Catholic Church decided that multiple wives was adultery hundreds of years after Christianity had already been established. Martin Luther, the person who started the protestant reformation even wrote that polygeny was not a sin. Not to mention polygamy and polygyny is not the same. Polygyny is biblical and polygamy is not. Adultery is a married woman having sex outside of her marriage or married man having sex with a married woman. A married man having sex with a non-married woman is not adultery. If the sex is pointless and he's not going to then make that girl his wife or concubine which then requires the man to take care of all the women 100% then that's fornication.
As a Christian, I can honestly say that polygyny in general is not a sin. All the biblical arguments used against polygyny from other Christians (usually American Christians) are always based on emotional appeal. Again as stated earlier, all the Bible verse that specifically speak against having additional wives are for deacons, elders and pastors in the New testament and Kings in israel in the Old testament. If you want to bring up the current laws of the land in America that's one thing, but we all know American law isn't perfect. 2nd Chronicles 24:2-3 Jehoiada got two wives for king Joash. It literally says, "Joash did what was right in the sight of the Lord all the days of Jehoiada the priest". In 1st Corinthians 7 10-11, it literally says that wives can't take up a second husband if they leave their first husband but husbands just can't divorce their wives. It doesn't give any wife quantity restrictions on the husband, it just bars him from divorce. Obviously it's stated like that because some Christian husbands had second wives. your also saying a man with multiple wives that wants to convert to Christianity already would be committing fornication for having sex with any of his other wives after conversion which would mean he should divorce them which is false. Christians cant divorce wife except for in case of adultery (wife having sex outside of marriage or husband having sex with married woman is adultery. Husband having pointless sex with random unmarried women is fornication not adultery (Leviticus 20:10 shows that adultery can only happen with a married woman involved). 1 Corinthians 7:2 states "Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband." The original Greek word used for "own" when referring to husband in this verse is singular and the Greek word for "own" referring to the wife is plural. Two different Greek words both meaning "own" but the "own" used for the man (heautou) always means exclusive ownership and the "own" used for the woman (idios) can mean exclusive ownership, shared ownership, shared access or even someone belonging to another. That's dead iron proof that even paul considered polygyny as already apart of the marriage concept.
this is just one of those uncomfortable truths thats hard for the modern day christian to stomach due to the traditions of the world. like woman having to wrap there head in church for prayer and prophecy or women not being allowed to preach for another example. Feminism in the church has Christians blatantly ignoring those commands every Sunday.
"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." - Martin Luther
Exodus 21:10 - "If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife."
Matthew 5:32 "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except [a]sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery." If a man divorces his wife unjustifiably, the divorce is not considered valid in the eyes of God so when she remarries, she commits adultery and anyone else who marries a women in that situation would be committing adultery. Jesus also gave the parable of 10 virgins in Matthew 25: 1 -13. 10 women going to marry one man and only 5 being prepared for the marriage with other 5 being rejected. It was referring to the church and the rapture/return of Chirst but the parable in itself shows that even Jesus recognized polygyny
Exodus 21:10 - "If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights."
https:www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/865-adultery
You sound like someone who actually studied to show themselves approved a workman that doesn't need to be ashamed. Praise God.
But what about the scriptures he mentioned in the video? Like
Deuteronomy 17:17
• “He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.” Or was that only directed at Kings?
Other scriptures he mentioned? If all of the implications are that the original design is one wife for one man, wouldn’t that go against Gods word?
Disobedience is a sin.
I hope you are 100% sure you know exactly what you’re talking about. The possibility in that you lead many people astray can come at a great cost.
@@lionedheartwe know that the deut 17:17 command was to kings, and specifically not to take many, (as in too many) because then they would have to spend so much time on these wives they can’t focus on God or being king. Secondly, God only made Adam and Eve because he doesn’t want to intervene more than absolutely required, he didn’t want to make any more humans than was required for them to reproduce, because he enjoyed and desired to see them populate the rest of the earth without him creating more than minimum. Also Romans 4:15 tells us if there’s no law against something there is no sin, that applies to this. Also one flesh just means literally that (flesh/sex) 1 Corinthians 6:15-16 (KJV) 15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
You can be joined to a harlot! That you don’t marry! Furthermore the requirement for bishops to be the husband of “one wife” is either not to be taken how it looks (read the gotquestions article about the meaning of it) and even if it is literal, it would be a command only given to church leadership so that they can have one wife to avoid sexual immorality, and stop there to put a lot of focus on the ministry. If you have any questions add my discord Scheme2 or reply here! God bless you. Polygyny is biblically allowed but if it sounds weird to you just don’t do it! Don’t falsely call others sinners.
@@lionedheartYou are so right. The will of God is for one man and one wife and vice versa. But there are those who take passages out of context in order to justify polygamy. However that is against the will of God. And the Bible, Old and New Testaments, is so clear in this position. It doesn't really matter how much one studies the Bible if they don't study with the singular focus of putting God's will first and being open to the direction of the Holy Spirit. Studying just to support one's position is totally wrong. That is what the enemy wants us to do. There can never be any true understanding of God's Holy Word if we are set on our own desire. True wisdom can only come when His will is our focus.
@@lionedheartthis "what about" game eh? "What about" the scripture references mentioned here in response to the video?? Or "what about" the chances of you being intrinsicly biased towards this topic? As the bible clearly is not explicit against the practice. What he mentioned about David's fall was not about polygyny that was about fornication and adultery, which btw is absolutly seperate. Solomon's fall was due to idolatry and clearly he had wives from foreign lands that worshipped statues they also were idolaters. That was their sin. It never stated that God was ever displeased with his polygynous lifestyle. The ONLY time God appeared to be displeased was when he started worshipping foreign gods. That being said neither of the examples in the video with David and Solomon had nothing to do with polygyny. It was David- lust, fornication and somewhat murder ; Solomon - idolatry. When was polygyny their sin??
To address the same det 17:17 scripture... As the previous person mentioned "many" is suggested for the sole purpose of having too many wives to the point where you forget and lose time for God and your duties and hence being 'led astray'. This same phenomen eventually happened to even Solomon where he was led astray by his women from foreign lands.
"What about" the second part of that same scripture 'neither shall he multiply himself silver and gold' this is in reference to wealth. Should I interpret this that because I am Christian I must not invest honourably in accumulating more money to have My family taken care of, comfortable and fed?? Should Christians even invest and financially improve themself based on Det 17:17?? I think not. Again the same principle applies you should be able to improve financially but if this takes away from God well again you Will be 'led astray'
God himself said "I am a jealous God" so the scriptures can be interpreted to understand why what is said is said.
Pastor, thank you for this message. I like the fact that you called out polygamy as Satanic. Some people of have been deceived into thinking polygamy is a cultural norm or an option due to shortages in males that are marital material. This is a very important message.
Jesus uses You in a holy way. Thank You fulfilling God ' s will. Thank You Jesus 🙏❤️✝️
Satan uses him when he starts off with a logical fallacy! Logical fallacies are a means of deception.
The answer is no 🙌
Says where in the Bible
, as a christian imma be real ot doesn't say it in the Bible, we create rules and God honors the rules, so when you start to have a another woman God will not be happy because you made a covenant to this one woman, but technically you can have more than one wife
@@kingdomsheir7 until you find me scripture
@@thewakandanpanda1324genesis
@@Lucas99g36 until you find me scripture that explicitly says you can't have many wives
@@thewakandanpanda1324 genesis 2:24
As a young man with one wife i can tell you… one is definitely enough 😂 you don’t need 2 or more headaches lol.
Right 😂
yuck.
Sounds like you both married the wrong person.
marriage should = a partnership, not a headache.
@@MaryJane-zw5pvoh please 😒
Spouses can be a headache. Doesn’t mean you love them any less
@@MaryJane-zw5pv a relationship isn’t always sunshine and rainbows
@@djidjine5082 He has the wrong attitude towards marriage, and she was right to call him out on it!
All the glory 2 God
Aleluya
Amen
Thanks for everything Pastor Richard 😊
This message came from Satan!
What about Exodus 21:10
“If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.”
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Um don't expect and real bible study here, just emotional moralizing
Under the new covenant it's not allowed. Christ addresses marriage in Matthew 19, Mark 10, and Luke 16
@@BigLEE82_7Mathew 19 speaks of divorce. It is irrelevant of having multiple wives. Not sure what you brought that chapter up.
Mark 10 repeats the same thing as Matthew 19
Luke 16 says the same exact thing.
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@@lionedheart you obviously don't understand divorce falls under marriage correct?
@@BigLEE82_7 The man is talking about having multiple wives and you’re talking about divorce. Logical fallacy right there. Your off topic
Why are you bringing up David’s punishment from committing adultery (explicitly and repeatedly condemned in the Bible) and trying to conflate that with his polygyny? If his polygyny was the issue then why would God say in 2 Samuel 12:8 that he had given David multiple wives, would have given him more if David had asked? There are plenty of more scripture that go against your claims in the video.
Polygamy wa not mesnt to be so. In the beginning God created Adam and Eve. Not Adam, Eve, Maria, Sophia. And if you look at early Old Testament, all the men had one wife.
@@djidjine5082 the first polygynist was in Genesis Ch.4 so your 2nd point isn’t true. Also, God making one wife for Adam does not mean he prohibited more than one for everyone (because that would cause the Bible to contradict itself).
Let people who refuse to hear stay in their delusion my friend
@@djidjine5082Your reasoning doesn’t have any logic. I sit somewhere in the middle as im doing research to figure things out as to what is true.
Eve was more than sufficient to populate the Earth and start multiple lineages. They lived for almost 1,000 years. They had enough time to give birth to many children. Also, Adam and Eve are very unique human beings. As they were the first humans created without “sin”, first to disobey, etc.
Having multiple wives is like being committed to multiple sisters, since all of our lineages leads directly to Adam and Eve.
Exodus 21:10 “If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.”
Many of the passages mention in this video are for the KINGS.
It’s also speculated that Moses had two wives. Dont quote me on it, do your own research
Another thing to add, it’s going to be literally impossible to follow every single word the bible says. We are born into sin. Which why Jesus Christ died on the cross. We are saves through his grace by having faith in him. Of course we must show proof of work by battling within ourselves to follow his word and asking forgiveness in prayer. Spreading Gods word so that people may find salvation through Jesus Christ.
Astagfirullah David A.W did not aduletry ,, It was misconceptions and sinners work to change inzil
Thank you Pastor Richard. God bless you for yielding to God's service. This is pure truth from the throne of God.
In this instance, he delivered a message from Satan.
I've had scoliosis for 7 plus years now and truth be told it's getting worse, and it's gotten to the point that it affects my studying as I'm unable to sit through the entire paper without my back hurting. I honestly don't know if this was brought about by smth I did or if it's a generational curse or smth but I do hope and pray that God will open my eyes and heal me :( Do pray for me too if you can thank you so much 🙏
The context of become one (flesh) is about sex and not about (can not) having more than one wife. Here I give you the verse 1 (Corinthians 6:16 NIV) Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”
God bless you Pastor Rich Im waiting on my woman of God when time is right and I’ve become the man of God he wants me to be
If you continue to believe garbage spewed from this man, you will NEVER become the man that God wants you to be.
That Adam and Steve line was from a VERY long time ago. My pastor has been saying it for many many years. It’s always funny. 😂 Solomon had three HUNDRED concubines. (I’m guessing Richard just read it wrong or just said it wrong when he said 3. Whoopsie. Lol)
Lets Get It Pastor Amen🙏
Good teaching brother.... May the Lord continue to use you.
That was Satan using him; not the Lord!
NO No No polygamy is a Bad Things come on my great great Grandfather ❤🙌🏾👏🏿 Tell Dem!!
Polyandry and polyamory are bad, and bad things can happen in polygyny, but bad things can and do happen in monogamy as well.
In the last days many will fall away from the true faith and the very elect will be deceived. It is written.
Amen brother that was a great video keep up the great work.
You lack discernment.
Dont matter how we try and brack it down the BIBLE TELLS US WHAT WE SHOULD DO WITH NO JUSTIFICATIONS!!!!!!!!!🤍😇ZION FROM THE HOLY BIBLE!!!!!
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They did have more than one wife and it corrupted them, and it caused them to do things against God
That is a lie!
Amen brother, thank you ❤✝️🙏
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The Holy Spirit speaks fr 😅😂 i was just thinking about this today
Thank you for explaining the scriptures clearly and plainly brother
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*“I’M UP NEXT, I’M UP NEXT (WAITING PATIENTLY MY GOD)”*
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Forsake this false teaching, and see where He leads you.
Eve DID NOT cause Adams to sin! The Bible says Eve was deceived and Adam TRANSGRESSED. She didn’t know any better. He DID.
How didn’t she know any better when in Genesis 3:3 “‘It’s only the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden that we are not allowed to eat. God said, ‘You must not eat it or even touch it; if you do, you will die.’”
She clearly knew that she wasn’t supposed to do what she did
Amen brother. Amen!🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️
You lack discernment.
Self-control is the key to not following the flesh's desire, along with having just one wife.
God gives some men the desire for more than one wife.
Well the answer is a man shouldn’t have more than one wife because it’s not convenient but by the law of God he can marry more then one as long he can maintain both and treat them equal. YHVH gave David multiple wifes read it it’s there when prophet Nathan rebuked him because of the sin of he committed at the time. Brother be careful because that same thinking let you to believe a muslin with multiple wife’s can’t be saved or he has to divorce and stay with only one and God hate’s divorce. Don’t fight God on this one. Jesus will reveal it to you if you ask. Me personally I wouldn’t recommend to anyone to marry or just bring it to the table.
Keep going we love you
You love false teaching.
@danieldeluca4936 not false true
@@mareeserovski-w2b Oh really! So employing a Straw Man at the outset, is somehow true??? You are being deceived! Logical Fallacies are employed by people who are trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
@@mareeserovski-w2b If it were true, he wouldn't have to launch into his message with a Logical Fallacy.
@@mareeserovski-w2b If it were true, he wouldn't have to launch into his message with a Logical Fallacy.
Jesus is real🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I really enjoy these kinds of videos
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Amen good video!!
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@1:51 Matthew 19 is talking about divorce. Divorce and polygyny are not synonymous. Divorce is the breaking of a covenant. Divorce was already condemned by Jesus in Matthew 5. In Malachi 2:16 the Lord says “For I hate divorce.” So Jesus condemning divorce was not the complete 180 that Christians try to make it seem it was. None of the 3 things I just mentioned against divorce apply to polygyny so why are we using Matthew 19:4-6 against polygyny when a question about divorce was asked in Matthew 19:3. It’s dishonest and misleading.
God overlooked polygamy in the Old Testament because Christ had not yet been revealed. This is not something we should take lightly because it’s a heaven or hell. Jesus said to the Sadducees that Moses allowed the Israelites to divorce their wives because of the harness of their hearts but in the beginning it wasn’t so. In the New Testament it says a bishop is supposed to be the husband of one wife, why would God put that standard on bishops but not all Christians in general? A bishop is a church leader and is meant to set an example to other Christians.
@@Repent-j3m your first statement is not the Bible. It’s a baseless assertion. Your question asking “Why would God put that standard on bishops and not all Christians in general?” actually goes against your stance because why wouldn’t he simply say it was a sin for all Christians (like he does with literally every other other sin) since that would also include bishops anyways? Why single out bishops when he didn’t do that for fornication, adultery, drunkenness, lying, witchcraft, envy, etc. You have no answer for that. My answer for your question is that having multiple wives was a huge time commitment and could take your focus away from your duties as a bishop/overseer. Paul references how a wife require extra attention that single people do not have to give away. A man with multiple may not have the time to split between all of his responsibilities. Every restriction put on a leader is not for everyone. Levite priests could only marry virgins. That didn’t apply to the rest of Israel.
@@earnyourgoldPolygamy is not the way God intended it
@@earnyourgoldWe cannot use things that were overlooked in the Old Testament to justify things that are not permissible now, such as polygamy, women of God used to wear jewelry in the Old Testament but in the New Testament says a woman is not suppose to adorn herself in gold not pearls nor costly array .
@@Repent-j3m sir, you are bringing up things that were explicitly talked against in the New Testament to then try to erase everything out of the Old Testament that you do not like. You can’t just apply statements pertain to one thing and say “well it also applies to this other thing as well.” It actually goes against your point. Why bring up jewelry (which I’m sure no one considers a salvation issue) but fail to prohibit polygyny? Could have easily been done away with at the Sermon on the Mount. You’re not making sense
Genesis4:19
Lamech son of Methushael took for himself two wives (Adah and Zillah)
We don't even believe in Paul. We believe in moses and jesus. Polygyny is lawful and accepted by God and also approved by God.
Paul NEVER denounced polygyny. Paul was a man used mightily by God, and was in every sense, and apostle who was filled with the Holy Spirit. We can embrace Paul's teachings without accepting the nonsense of Roman Catholicism that insists on denigrating marriage and enforcing monogamy.
Amen Pastor Rich!!!
You lack discernment.
Thank you brother. I’ve got my answer.
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Thanks
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ADULTERY is deep we should FLEE SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP UNLESS WE'RE MARRIED ONLY ONE WIFE ONLY ONE HUSBAND
No where does scripture say "ONE WIFE ONLY" - such would mean God the Father broke His own law when he took two wives in Israel and Judah (see Ezekiel and Jeremiah)
Parroting commandments of men is not impressive
Very insightful Pastor Lorenzo! I enjoyed this message! I have been following your ministry for a short period of time and I know that God has saved you and your wife for such a time as this.
You lack discernment.
According to ur bible :
Polygamy in bible
Solomon have 700 wives & 300 concubine
Abraham 3 wives aarah,hagar,keturah
Mose 2 wives miriam & Aaron
David 8 wives
Gideon 70 wives
Actually it doesn't say how many wives Gideon had.
@@danieldeluca4936 well read that doesnt seem strange as ur bible keeps on changing . U can google how many times its been change .
God is amazing
Lilith. Eve and Nama’ah. It’s written in the sacred scriptures.
Aye this so mf real !
Amen
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Amen 🙏🏽✝️💕
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Amen!
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I love that song to I’m up next
I understand.What about David, Moses, Solomon, and Samuel??? It’s said they did and ITS A LOT OF Scriptures that back it up . I’m both but when I’m ready I want 1
Moses only had 1 wife and 7 children
Crazy thing is how do y’all not know what the answer is?💀
That's what I was thinking.
2:35 loool 🤣🤣. Amen to that
the drama that would cause 🎭
Not all men can handle it, but some men can.
What if a Muslim with 4 wives and children comes to your church and says he and all the family want to accept Jesus? Shall he put them away?
I'm not sure if they are actually up to "real life" question.
Where do you get the Adapt merch from?
To be a deacon in the church requires for a man to have one wife. And Paul said whoever seeks to be a deacon seeks a good thing as a calling. The simple truth, however, is that some people have ended up being tied to more than one person. My understanding is that Jesus said that no one shall divorce accept on accounts of sexual immorality - fornication, the breakage of a bond - because at this time, someone has already committed adultery and so there’s a bit of a freeing to that person to continue on with their next partner, although the initiation of it was immoral. So it is liberating in that sense. However, it is also my understanding that the Lord God hates divorce. (and institutes marriage.) He commands us not to commit adultery. My question is: if someone had had multiple partners, as a man, does that make him a husband to multiple wives? Obviously in scripture we see this. But because of jealousy, adultery, and the pains that follow, God says for man to love his wife. In fact, the scripture says, in English: husbands love your wives. But just remember that this shouldn’t give men license to commit further adultery.
The answer is yes.
Wrong answer!
@@danieldeluca4936you’re ignorant of sacred scripture.
@@paulfraley1533 No I am not! I have read it multiple times over and memorized quite a few epistles as well.
Then why in the new testament the kingdom of God is also represented by the master with 10 virgins ??? Why God himself said to king David by the prophet Nathan that " I gave you multiple wives" ?? That is blasphemy , as if God sinned according to you ?? brother comon wake up polygamy isn't a sin !
God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve: a regular Jamaican saying yow. Thats one of the first things some of us would normaly say in denying homosexuality during a conversation.
It's a bad argument. Homosexuality is not wrong because of the fact that God didn't make Adam and Steve; it is wrong because God's Word clearly says that it is wrong! Adam and Eve have nothing to do with it! Paul uses the word "Arsinokoitai" to describe the action of sexual relations between men.
@1:28 love your ministry man, but you’re blinded on this one. You start off with the misunderstanding that you can only be one flesh with one woman. 1 Corinthians 6:16 clearly states that a man that has sex with a prostitute becomes one flesh with her. The prostitute has surely slept with other men and that verse does not only apply to virgin men. If the one-flesh principle is an exclusive thing only for one wife how would you explain that first? Be careful throwing around the term demonic when both God the Father and God the Son described themselves as polygynous.
It means your joining yourself to the prostitute but you can’t experience that oneness’s like in marriage
@@buildingbreaker1946 you had your conclusion and find a way to try to get to it. Nothing in the Bible supports that statement. If people couldn’t experience that then that would’ve meant that anyone wife after their first was illegitimate. The Bible contradicts that. Apostle Paul understood the Torah better than any of us. If the one-flesh principle meant what Pastor Lorenzo is trying to say it means then he would’ve have said it regarding a prostitute that the man isn’t even marrying. We have to use every mention of “one-flesh” to understand its meaning and not just stick to the one that allows us to keep whatever preexisting doctrine we have. That’s eisegesis not exegesis
What 😂😂😂😂. Jesus had no wives
@@lightoffaithchristian4382 I’m well aware of that. I was referencing Matthew 25 in the Parable of Ten Virgins. In his Parables he is the bridegroom and I don’t think he would tell that parable in the way he does if he saw such a thing as demonic and not okay in the eyes of God. It would be like if he had told a parable where he was describe as a gay man.
@@earnyourgoldGod only permits 1 husband and 1 wife. I believe in the word of God only ☺️🙏
Hebrew called chosen by the most high they drink strong alcohol and he has 3 wifes and has a ministry and said the most high Yah doesn’t condemn man too have one more wife I read the word I am baptized speak toung am divorced but I follow the Torah eat clean and worship Jesus Christ and got delivered by you on a preaching on spirits an sickness now please go see his videos Pastor Charles Dowel straitway ministry thanks pastor am Eunice blessings too you and family 🙏
Women are never called to be eunichs. Isaiah 4:1 tells us that they are asking a man to take away their reproach by allowing them to be called by his name.
No that's why God use Moses to write the laws.
And Moses' law allows for multiple wives - have you actually read beyond the 10 commandments?
Only need 1 wife
Some need/want more than one and that is okay - one is not more righteous than the other 👍
@Polygyny you don't need more then one you just want more then one cause you don't know how to commit
@CrooKdLetterJ you do realise men acquired wives in the Bible for reasons other than sex right? Men marry more wives for political stability (e.g. King Solomon - Solomon just went too far with it), first wife is barren (every man has a right to have children and a barren wife isn't a reason to not take on more women if able to ensure the man's name lives on), build an empire, wealth and resources. So yeah polygyny is legitimately valid scripturally.
Plenty of men are able to commit to more than one woman - the requirement for faithfulness for men to his wife or wives (see Exodus) is not sexual exclusivity but FOOD, SHELTER and regular SEX - a man with means, ability and desire can fully commit to multiple women. A woman was created for the man, not the man for the woman as the Bible clearly states (1 Corinthians 11:9)
A man can even go through their lifetime without a wife or sex (so your point that men necessarily NEED a wife is actually pretty false). A wife is a pleasant for any man but not always necessity and plenty of men are doing just fine - I'm not advocating for sinful celibacy/singleness here
Always remember there is no sin where there is no law and there is no law against polygyny - God's laws are pretty clear and to add to it God doesn't look kindly on as expressed in both the "Old" and "New" Testaments (the covenant never changed just the mediator (Moses ➡️ Jesus) 👍
@@CrooKdLetterJ Exactly! He follows his flesh desires, not God’s will.
@@CrooKdLetterJ What makes you think he doesn't know how to commit? You would think he knows even better how to commit than someone who can only commit to one wife!
Lots of opinions and emotions based off american culture. More study is needed with Hebrew & Greek on this topic. Jacob was not in a monogamous marriage. Just remember what God said about him⬇️
Malachi 3:6- “I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.
Although many may not currently understand why some men had more than one wife, Malachi 3:6 tells you God never changed. Which means Christianity teaching on Genesis 2:24 is either wrong or God changed. 🤔
Im sticking with Yahweh. 🔥🙏 Shalom.
Everyone is not a bishop, elder or deacon. So this does not apply to all man. (If you view it this way).
There are more scriptures to bring up to understand the truth on this topic, vs opinions and American culture views.
Simply answer in that Old Testament time was NO Christian Religion as a matter of fact the Christian first term invented in New Testament... in Old Testament God was introducing His laws to teach the sinner to be His ... Remember Bible historical especially Old Testament took place in middle east (where the Lust Poodle are there with their own cultural wives, concubines -> familiar with kings & kingdoms) a theologian speaking here!
So....what is your understanding?
How do I join the discipleship course?
I'm sure we can all agree that God can never associate himself with anything unholy, which means he would not answer any prayers that is related to sin.
These verses end the debate if a man can have more than one wife.
2 Chronicles 24:1-3 - Joash did what was right in the eyes of the Lord all the years of Jehoiada the priest. Jehoiada chose two wives for him, and he had sons and daughters.
1 Samuel 1:19 - Elkanah had intercourse with his wife Hannah(one of his two wives), and the LORD answered her prayer. So it was that she became pregnant and gave birth to a son.
Exodus 21:10 - If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing, or fail to sleep with her as his wife.
2 Samuel 12:8 - I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.
Deuteronomy 21:15 - If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love,when he wills his property to his sons,
he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love.
Deuteronomy 17:17 - He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.(This verse is stating that kings in Israel should not multiple wives from pagan nations, so Israel is not led astray. - This is what King Solomon did).
Pastor help me with prayers my husband took a second wife
Then you’re able to divorce them because if your partner commits adultery, you’re able to divorce them
@@JSt3pz That is false! #1 he didn't commit adultery. #2, the fornication exception in Matt 5:32 is specifically for the husband divorcing his wife!
This pastor based his argument in a event that happened in a different way. So his argument not only is invalid but deceitful. You should read the whole 2 Samuel 11 and 12
@@raulhernandez6201 Exactly! 2 Samuel 12:10 tells us why David had problems, and it had absolutely nothing to do with polygyny!
Having multiple wives to have multiple kids; why would god not want that?
Hagar is where Muslims came from
That is a lie!
Pastor Dowell says you can have multiple wives
It's not about what Pastor Dowell says. God Himself allows polygyny
I do have a desire to be marry one day
Jesis Christ is married to each of us, so does that mean Jesus has many wives that equals one bride?
@@just_heidiii Which means I can have as many wives as I want. 😎
@@CheersToYou007You cannot love two women the same.
Polygamy is selfish love which is why there were always problems in the family of those who had many wives.
Its also why in islam you can lie to your wife when looking for another woman to marry. Its not selfless its selfish
@@ay3070 Well, I'ma love my wives like Christ love the church. 😎💪🏾
@@CheersToYou007You have already convinced yourself that you want more than one woman so that's all you will hear. Jesus doesn't play he said one man one woman if you look at another women you commit adultery. Don't play with your soul
@@deesott5123 I'm getn me 3 wives! 😎
*Mark 10:11 - 12*
Non sequitur!
Does anyone know if cultures of countries are pagan? Because im from tonga and our people idolize the culture too heavily..
They are ruled by the prince of the power of the air.
Condemining something that God Himself did not condemned but even regulated and mandated specific instances makes for a dishonest reading of scripture
Just admit you don't personally like polygyny - stop claiming you know the "heart of the Father" when nobody actually does except for what God has revealed, especially His through law (which did not change after Jesus came)
In no place did the "heart of the Father" reveal a condemnation of polygyny in scripture - pushing the commandments of men and Greco-Roman authorities does not make one holy before the Lord of all the Earth
Never twist The scripture .
A man can have multiple wives as a christian.
Any part of christianity can do this .
So can A jewish family
And a muslim family .
It's God, husband then wives than children.
That is the order of the family .
Lots of Christians have multiple wives, just not all at the same time
And those are the ones that Jesus was speaking against, not the ones who have concurrent wives!
@danieldeluca4936 Yes He was but don't forget why the man could only have one wife, also don't forget to factor in the concubine, she was not the wife and they could have had as many concubines as they could afford to take care of, people that reference her as a wife is why there's so much confusion, having more than one wife creates confusion in the law as to who is the proper heir to the man's estate and assets, only the child of the wife became the true heir although the children of the concubine were still cared for as they belonged to the man
@@warren6790 Well, this turned out to be true in the case of Jepthah. Obviously we have several men in Scripture who did have multiple concurrent wives. Who says that they couldn't?
@danieldeluca4936 there were many more that had concubines only not mentioned in the bible, building up the nation of Israel was very important, also although in scripture the concubine and the wife appear to be the same, their not, one is a covenant woman where the other is a promised woman, the concubine is not the wife nor is the man the husband, she's referenced in scriptures as the man's woman, same laws applied to her concerning faithfulness, she could only have that one man sexually for obvious reasons, she's mentioned many times in the new testament only the translators used the word wife for her, you'll only see this from studying ancient Greek, KJ translators messed it up, the Catholic church set the course of belief concerning concubines and they were done away with, at the time this happened the Catholic church ruled what was written, if you didn't believe as them you could have been put to death, the Catholic church are the ones Paul said would depart from the faith, they became very powerful, all translations just follow KJ so not to offend the masses, so many words were added or changed in the actual Greek it's impossible to determine what was really written, only the spirit can reveal the truth, the many that's come in Jesus name deceiving many has already happened only they don't know it, they really believe their serving God, only by their fruit will you know them, that's not simple for the average person but someone that studies ancient Hebrew and Greek will see it, it's the main reason there's so many different faiths, it's not going to change either it can only get worse as no two people think alike
@@warren6790 I object to this statement, "so many words were added or changed in the actual Greek it's impossible to determine what was really written." I agree that a lot of men had concubines, but clearly some men had multiple wives concurrently.
It was in the Old Testament Pastor
It is still allowed today.
🕊️🤍🤍🔥
This how lust works
Please elaborate!
Read the scriptures. God allowed polygany. Christ was married to two wives. Mary and Martha.
Adam had three wives.
A man suppose to have only one wife praised God
That is if he wishes to be a deacon, bishop, or elder.
🧐👎🙅🏻♀️ ewww
Thanks for clarifying the Bible tho.
I was just randomly scrolling through the comments and noticed your picture and just wanted to say you're absolutely glowing with the Holy Spirit, and it made me happy haha. God bless sister in Christ🙏🏼❤️
This was anything BUT a clarification!
So you are starting off with a Straw Man! Just because people did it, doesn't make it right, of course, BUT the fact that they did so AND YET there is not even a hint of condemnation for them doing so, is all the proof that we really need. You see you left out that last par about God NEVER saying "Thou shalt not".
I’m not gonna lie, you got this one wrong.
You got good intentions but your words are not structured. too many opinions and less facts and constantly diverting away from your train of thought and the topic.
Good intentions, but he is employing Eisegesis all over the place. He is starting off with the false premise that it is wrong instead of reading the Scriptures to determine if this is what they actually say.
You said
“ if God hates divorce, God hate’s polygamy”
You absolutely wrong.
Paul was only ADVISING as you agreed.
One man to one woman with Adam and Eve was before sin.
Adam and Eve did not kill animals to eat so unless we do because we are not in a perfect world.
The perfect God loves all. Jesus Didn’t marry. Paul advised to stay single 😂.
God was literally giving David more wives and said David could have as many as needed.
One wife has many problems and causes divorces so don’t pretend like it’s better than many.
God made each man to love as many wives as he was conditioned to love. Some men 0 other men many.
Islam was smart enough to keep that tradition of God so they can spread Islam by having more children. Christianity now has been tricked into 1 wife and less children while Muslims multiply.
Gotta read the Bible again. God confirms everything 3 times minimum that’s right for us.
David a man after Gods own heart to love many women, sadly he was a sorry father
noooo nope and no❤
Sounds like your own personal preference.
If old test says.its good.i do not will not read new hacked,lieing,new test ever.
OT DOES say it is good. NT is silent for anyone who is not a bishop, deacon, or elder.
I wonder if this man is teaching incorrect on purpose. The scriptures clearly endorse polygyny
Im glad you have the fortitude to go against Islam. Sahih Muslim 2143 says the most vile and wretched on Judgment Day is the one called the King og Kings. We all know who has the robes that say King of Kings, Lord of Lords. I converted a Muslim by birth this way while in prison. Dropped Islam like a hot potato.
Praise God you have come into His family. However, Scripture NEVER forbids someone who is not a bishop, deacon, or elder from having more than one wife.
You can, but its Against God to have more than One Wife.
Says who?
Mormons too
How come you only believe and follow part of the old testament? Who decides what to follow and what not? False religion indeed
During those times the Lord God allowed them to have many wives so that they will be able to expand the lineage that follows the true God, and marriages at the time acts as an alliance between families, for either economic and political reason, in a way it gave a purpose to spread the influence of the true Living God. Today we have to stick to one we don't live on those days anymore were kingdoms battle for expansion and power.
No where did the Lord God suddenly change from many wives to just one (after male nature and their role - that God created - changed over night)
If you still believe this then you believe that God is hypocrite who broke His own law by marrying two wives Israel and Judah (Ezekiel and Jeremiah) of whom he created a new covenant after the ressurection of Christ Jesus
Adding gynocentrism to scripture is not a good look
You would think that we could expand His kingdom faster if we would realize that God STILL allows it today. It is His kingdom that will rule one day.