I shoot a Beretta A400 Xcel (blue receiver) with a 32” barrel. My wife shoots a Syren (Fabarm) L4S Sporting with a 28” barrel. I shot her gun the other day, and I was surprised I shot much better with it. So, I am now likely to buy the Fabarm L4S gray 28” barrel. I really enjoyed your video, especially your comments about the sight plane of a semi-auto vs. an over/under. Also, thanks for talking about the loads you use for the gun.
Hi randy love the videos. I have a browning maxus hunter with upgraded furniture. I was thinking of buying a l4s deluxe. But I don't know how I would like the left side bolt release. What is your opinion. I do trap and dove hunting. I also use birchwood casey shell catcher if interested. Think it would work for ls4.thanks
Nice looking semi-A shotgun. I know very little about semi-A shotguns. Definitely a lot of options on market, and if I were looking to buy, Id have no idea where to start. Always used pumps and singles, but would like a semi in future. Looks like Fabarm dont offer any in 20g. I prefer a 20g in the field unless im waterfowl or turkey hunting.
Also I feel my browning maxus shoots Express loads 1330fps lighter than it shoots 1200fps trap loads. Not sure if it has something to do with the way the piston is engineered. Maybe you should shoot an Express load through the gas guns and see if they feel lighter recoiling. Thanks.
@@RandyWakeman have you shot the most recent version with the orange anodized aluminum piston. I've had a couple of guys shoot it. They also said it felt like the Express loads where equal or lighter recoiling than standard trap loads. But the power of suggestion is strong. Where I live the dove are in small flocks and highly pressured. There's always a few lookout birds in the tree's. Flushing is the common method. But when the lookouts in the tree's flush so do the field birds. Most of our shots are in the 40 to 50 yard range. Would love to see you test more express loads with new guns.
Hi Randy - If you could only have one shotgun - which would you go for between the L4S Grey Hunter or the L4S grey sporting. 99% of the time I will be shooting clays, however on occasion I may take it hunting once I learn. I suppose a better way to phrase it is, would you take the chamber versatility of 3”, or would you go for the heavier weight of the sporting but limited to 2-3/4? Can you even effectively hunt with 2-3/4 inch? It would be cool if fabarm made the Grey Sporting in 3” chamber also - that would have been an easy choice for me then!
What a great shotgun. I totally agree with you. The only negative point is the dirty gas system which has to be cleaned in a short period of time after shooting. Balance, pointability, ergonomics and quality at its best. As for the value for money factor unbeatable. Greeitings from Greece dear Randy. You can take a look at our TH-cam steki kinigon channel for more info about us. Impala a great fun of yours. Keep Up the good work!
Randy Wakeman Due to the fact that i work as a gunsmith please allow me to know better. Despite the fact that i also use a hypersonic cleaner whenever i have to clean a fabarm is a pain in the a@@ if you Know what i mean. Its not as easy as it looks especially if you have to take care of the gas port area after a long period of time of use. That doesnt mean its not a great gun. But you also have to nurse it properly!
I've been cleaning "self-cleaning" gas autoloading shotguns since I was 10 years old, starting with a miserable High Standard Supermatic Trophy 20 gauge. Whether Remington 1100s, Beretta 303 / 390 models, B-80's, B2000's, and many other models, there is minimal difference in cleaning. Getting away from gun oil and over-oiling helps, and with Hornady One-Shot the fouling just wipes away. Good ammo helps, rather than the cheapest promo loads. It helps if you clean your gun every time after shooting, rather than just waiting until it doesn't work. randywakeman.com/TheCareandFeedingoftheFabarmL4SAutoloadingShotgun.htm is only five minutes of cleaning. I've been doing it so long I don't really think about about it, or worry about it. The gas ports get pipe cleaners run through them every 1000 rounds or so, but I've not had any plug up. Even in Argentina, with filthy dirty locally loaded ammo, it hasn't been any problem getting through the day, and some were 1000 dove days. The Fabarm has a bit of an advantage, in that there is no mainspring or mainspring tube in the butt stock to fill up with crud and powder residue as there is on my 303s and B-80s.
I need some advice randy. I'm torn between the l4s and a400 xplor action. Any thoughts I be using it for dove, pigeon, pheasant, etc.. I don't have experience with fabarm. Thanks
@@pittsbirds1656 I actually chose the browning maxus . But it was the walnut and stainless version from a few years ago. But not long after I purchased the benelli ethos in walnut and stainless. The maxus is a little softer shooter but the benelli is like a Ferrari fast moving and raw. I love them both. And the both have great support in my area.
@@chriss8206 Ok thanks! I was starting to look at an O/U now the Beretta 694. There are way too many choices out there lol. I just need an upgrade. Only been shooting sporting clays for a few months, but it is addictive! I will check out those models and see how they fit me. Thanks!
@@pittsbirds1656 check out the benelli 828. Pretty pricey but has some unique features. Guy at my club shoots a 30 inch 828u nice looking piece. He says he loves it.
Randy wakeman,scusi se scrivo in italiano ,la seguo molto specialmente sul fabarm grey hunther l4s,lo vorrei adoperare con grammature sui 36 massimo 38 grammi, visto però il peso ridotto, volevo da'Lei un consiglio, se potevo tranquillamente prendere oppure le grammature sono eccessive Complimenti Grazie dalla Toscana
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I shoot a Beretta A400 Xcel (blue receiver) with a 32” barrel. My wife shoots a Syren (Fabarm) L4S Sporting with a 28” barrel. I shot her gun the other day, and I was surprised I shot much better with it. So, I am now likely to buy the Fabarm L4S gray 28” barrel. I really enjoyed your video, especially your comments about the sight plane of a semi-auto vs. an over/under. Also, thanks for talking about the loads you use for the gun.
An honest review by Mr Wakeman, thank you sir.
Hi randy love the videos. I have a browning maxus hunter with upgraded furniture. I was thinking of buying a l4s deluxe. But I don't know how I would like the left side bolt release. What is your opinion. I do trap and dove hunting. I also use birchwood casey shell catcher if interested. Think it would work for ls4.thanks
You'll love it.
Randy if you have a choice between the l4s and an ethos which would you choose.
Nice looking semi-A shotgun. I know very little about semi-A shotguns. Definitely a lot of options on market, and if I were looking to buy, Id have no idea where to start. Always used pumps and singles, but would like a semi in future. Looks like Fabarm dont offer any in 20g. I prefer a 20g in the field unless im waterfowl or turkey hunting.
www.randywakeman.com/MossWeatherbyBattleofthe20GaugesPartTwo.htm
I have found the guy to my right makes the best shell catcher!
They are often better catchers if you shoot 28 gauge.
The guy to my left.
Also I feel my browning maxus shoots Express loads 1330fps lighter than it shoots 1200fps trap loads. Not sure if it has something to do with the way the piston is engineered. Maybe you should shoot an Express load through the gas guns and see if they feel lighter recoiling. Thanks.
No Maxus I've ever had does that and I've had five of them.
@@RandyWakeman have you shot the most recent version with the orange anodized aluminum piston. I've had a couple of guys shoot it. They also said it felt like the Express loads where equal or lighter recoiling than standard trap loads. But the power of suggestion is strong. Where I live the dove are in small flocks and highly pressured. There's always a few lookout birds in the tree's. Flushing is the common method. But when the lookouts in the tree's flush so do the field birds. Most of our shots are in the 40 to 50 yard range. Would love to see you test more express loads with new guns.
No, I haven't seen one. What is supposed to be better about it?
Hi Randy - If you could only have one shotgun - which would you go for between the L4S Grey Hunter or the L4S grey sporting. 99% of the time I will be shooting clays, however on occasion I may take it hunting once I learn. I suppose a better way to phrase it is, would you take the chamber versatility of 3”, or would you go for the heavier weight of the sporting but limited to 2-3/4? Can you even effectively hunt with 2-3/4 inch?
It would be cool if fabarm made the Grey Sporting in 3” chamber also - that would have been an easy choice for me then!
2-3/4 inch shells are all I use for dove, pheasant, etc.
review Fabarm axis s&h please
Sure is a beauty.
What a great shotgun. I totally agree with you. The only negative point is the dirty gas system which has to be cleaned in a short period of time after shooting. Balance, pointability, ergonomics and quality at its best. As for the value for money factor unbeatable. Greeitings from Greece dear Randy. You can take a look at our TH-cam steki kinigon channel for more info about us. Impala a great fun of yours. Keep Up the good work!
I've not found that needs much cleaning. If you use Hornady One Shot (dry lube), there isn't much to clean. Shooting cleaner ammo helps, of course.
Randy Wakeman Due to the fact that i work as a gunsmith please allow me to know better. Despite the fact that i also use a hypersonic cleaner whenever i have to clean a fabarm is a pain in the a@@ if you Know what i mean. Its not as easy as it looks especially if you have to take care of the gas port area after a long period of time of use. That doesnt mean its not a great gun. But you also have to nurse it properly!
Also you have to take real care not to scratch the bolt when trying to remove the bolt handle!
I also have to agree with you about using good quality ammo! Thanos helps a lot. Thanks for the chat!
I've been cleaning "self-cleaning" gas autoloading shotguns since I was 10 years old, starting with a miserable High Standard Supermatic Trophy 20 gauge. Whether Remington 1100s, Beretta 303 / 390 models, B-80's, B2000's, and many other models, there is minimal difference in cleaning. Getting away from gun oil and over-oiling helps, and with Hornady One-Shot the fouling just wipes away. Good ammo helps, rather than the cheapest promo loads. It helps if you clean your gun every time after shooting, rather than just waiting until it doesn't work. randywakeman.com/TheCareandFeedingoftheFabarmL4SAutoloadingShotgun.htm is only five minutes of cleaning. I've been doing it so long I don't really think about about it, or worry about it. The gas ports get pipe cleaners run through them every 1000 rounds or so, but I've not had any plug up. Even in Argentina, with filthy dirty locally loaded ammo, it hasn't been any problem getting through the day, and some were 1000 dove days. The Fabarm has a bit of an advantage, in that there is no mainspring or mainspring tube in the butt stock to fill up with crud and powder residue as there is on my 303s and B-80s.
Hello from zakynthos Greece... which shotgun you use for pigeon's ?
1-1/4 oz. #6 lead out of a 12 gauge autoloader.
@@RandyWakeman I mean which shotgun (fabarm, Beretta and others)
I need some advice randy. I'm torn between the l4s and a400 xplor action. Any thoughts I be using it for dove, pigeon, pheasant, etc.. I don't have experience with fabarm. Thanks
Get the L4S Hunter (3 inch chamber). Doves / pheasants / pigeons . . . that's what I use mine for, every year . . . and some clays as well.
I know this an old post, but I am also torn between the two. What did you chose and are you happy?
@@pittsbirds1656 I actually chose the browning maxus . But it was the walnut and stainless version from a few years ago. But not long after I purchased the benelli ethos in walnut and stainless. The maxus is a little softer shooter but the benelli is like a Ferrari fast moving and raw. I love them both. And the both have great support in my area.
@@chriss8206 Ok thanks! I was starting to look at an O/U now the Beretta 694. There are way too many choices out there lol. I just need an upgrade. Only been shooting sporting clays for a few months, but it is addictive! I will check out those models and see how they fit me. Thanks!
@@pittsbirds1656 check out the benelli 828. Pretty pricey but has some unique features. Guy at my club shoots a 30 inch 828u nice looking piece. He says he loves it.
Randy would you recommend this gun or the L4S grey hunter for both clays and hunting. Thanks
Upland hunting not waterfowl.
The L4S Grey Hunter.
Thank you sir. Love your reviews, very helpful.
Randy wakeman,scusi se scrivo in italiano ,la seguo molto specialmente sul fabarm grey hunther l4s,lo vorrei adoperare con grammature sui 36 massimo 38 grammi, visto però il peso ridotto, volevo da'Lei un consiglio, se potevo tranquillamente prendere oppure le grammature sono eccessive
Complimenti
Grazie dalla Toscana
Yes, there is no problem with 36 or 38 gram loads with the L4S . . . or even heavier. 36 gram, is what I use for wild pheasants.
Thank you 👍
How much sir ?
fabarmusa.com/project-type/upland-shotguns/
great!
How much is this
See your Fabarm dealer, as the dealer sets the price. fabarmusa.com/