Is this Semi Auto Over Engineered?
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I purchased the Syren version for my wife.. very nice gun, functions very well.. high quality..I would recommend
I have the second generation, the Euro Lion Mk 2 which I bought new in 2002. It's been a great gun. That model was an early Superior Steel proofed 3 inch mag. with a very well made barrel. I chose it over a Beretta because it was much lighter, weighing only 6.5 lbs and handled so much better. But it was only after I had shot it a few seasons I realised the quality of build. I use it mainly for Wildfowling and have shot mostly large steel shot through tighter chokes than recommended and 20 years later the barrel is almost unmarked. Also, my gun has a super paint type finish on the barrel and action which has made it corrosion proof. It's been submerged briefly in the North Sea three times in twenty seasons and there is no rust anywhere on the gun. The only sign of the abuse I have given the gun is the clear coat lacquer on the Tri Wood finish has peeled : )
I bought one and think it is a great S/A. If you look at the gas system you can tell it is well engineered and very easy to clean, but will go hundreds of rounds without a problem. If you compare the gas system to an A400 it looks like a mechanical engineer designed the Fabarm and a blacksmith designed the A400, but they both have about the same price. I also think the chokes in the Fabarm are superior.
L4S. I’ve got one and love it. Don’t love cleaning it though lol.
L4S retails for £1450 …. Steel shot proofed to full choke, ultra reliable !!
I love my L4S. The balance is excellent, and I can shoot all day long, even 1-1/8 oz loads. I had the stock tweaked by S&S Stocks during their visit, and it dead on. Too bad I’m not!
The weight and stock dimensions of this gun are great i wish they would put the bolt release on the right and not left but that’s just me a step up rib like what benelli and beretta would be a improvement but that’s my opinion they feel great and there not expensive at £1495 new !
I bought the L4S Initial Hunter earlier this year and love it. Primary use is grouse hunting and clays. Had it out twice since I bought it and ran about 100 rounds of different brand ammo through it with no issues.
Stripped it down to the bolt assembly, cleaned it and reassembled after both outings. This is my only experience with a gas autoloader but it’s really only a few more steps to strip it down than my Montefeltro with the inertia action which I do love how simple that is. But like you say, the engineering is great and Fabarm has the tolerances on this thing nailed down. Nothing rattles or clicks or feels cheap. Also love how it patterns and the chokes are great.
Agreed on the price point, but sporting shotguns always seem to run higher. I paid $1500 for my base model and just a few years ago they could be had new for about $1200. I think they’re all a bit overpriced, Benellis, Brownings, Berettas any big name. You definitely pay for what you get with this one.
I own one of these , and had many. In my opinion is the best on the market , with it the only auto on the market that you can use steel through every choke , and the barrel tested to 1600 plus , which higher than the high end autos , so in my opinion best for your money .
I have one and have had a A400, this is a much better gun than the Beretta. And it’s a L4S nay a L45
I have no faith in this guy he doesn't even know the basic like what model it is, do your homework before you go live
Looks like a great gun, only thing is that price tag, a bit high. But you can get them second hand for a great price. I have a few semi autos, non of them are a Fabarm. Mostly Beretta’s, Browning’s and Benelli’s, they are great guns.
Very good guns . I have the XLR & the elos 2 notte o/u hunting , magnificent . The price of the L 45 is Euro1.200 in our country . The systfm of the barells ttibore is amazing
I have an L4S sporting and was actually shooting at Oxford Gun Companies grounds on Saturday.
Absolutely love the gun, ultra reliable, I just wish I could easily adjust the POI up slightly to make it perfect for me (but that's just for my own personal fit). They retail at around £13-1400 and I think it's worth every penny.
I wouldn't say it's overly complicated, very easy to strip and clean but there is more to it than an O/U or SxS.
L4S does have stock shims, you can raise or low POI.
@Jugi hi, yes I have adjusted with the stock shims as much as possible but it doesn't have enough adjustment for me. Sadly you can only get the three shims supplied with the gun, no other additional thicknesses etc....
Are you sure the the stock is not painted to make it look like high grade fancy wood? Fabarms and some Berettas are here in USA. We call them faux fancy here. I have two older semi Fabarms and both have not failed me yet.
Not bothered look great and they wear well i believe
Fabarm L4s is the best semi automatic I’ve ever shot
It's half over under for snobs and for us farmlands ends as a auto
I’ll stay with the Benelli line. Have the super-sport custom shop and couldn’t be happier. That gun seems overly complex- where the Benelli system rocks-love the speed of action
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Nice gun indeed but you said you never saw a second locking ring on any other auto ,my 3,5 inch double magham 30 inch hatsan has a second lock ring inside the hand piece to secure the barrel even more 😉
Beretta had the best concept for a sporting semi auto, the spent casing should discharge downward….
No finer semi-automatic shotgun made anywhere in the world. Prove me wrong.
Do like the look of the gun. Also believe the cycle all loads of cartridges down to 24s. When you review semi auto shotguns would like to see this tested. As I think it's a big selling point. I don't have a problem with recoil but love the 24s use them all time in my over and under bust clays just as well as 28 even at distance. Semi auto are great bit of fun on the clay ground if I had one that I had confidence in cycling all load types would even do some cpsa registered shoots with it.
It will cycle 21GRAM providing 70MM, I’ve tried and tested it
Over-engineered? Perhaps it's the expectation that its ok that everything is marginally engineered these days? Plastic parts and painted pallet wood is an acceptable benchmark because that's what we get from Beretta. Ugh. Anyway, I keep looking at Fabarm precisely because the slow growing reputation that its aesthetically "there" but built like a tank on its internals.
I would like to try one sometime. I haven’t ran into anyone that has one In my circle to try it out. The only one I’ve ever seen in my area was an XLR 5 used at the gun store.
I have the Deluxe Hunter. It’s very nice. BTW , it’s L 4 S. S not 5
Great review :) - good gun...
Plan to change the “thanks notes” to different font colour - let's say - bright green
I see it ejects spent cartridges as far as my A400 Multi Target does!! :O I think I could reach about 10 feet with my empty shells.
Great review
Great clay gun
Still waiting for the explanation as to why this is over-engineered / too much engineering. :o) On a side note, I have had one for one season of sporting clays and it has been fantastic. Took possession of a L4S Grey Hunter today also. I'm sold on this platform. Pricing isn't too bad in Canada; ~2.1k CAD for the Sporting and ~1.7k CAD for the Grey Hunter.
3 cartridges in a semi? On a shooting ground?
Big NO.
This shooting ground is ran and managed by David and his family. :)
It's OK until you get stuck behind some one messing about changing chokes before they shoot the sporting stand, change your shot size and not your chokes 😀👍👍👍👍
Over engineered? It’s a gas semi automatic shotgun. There isn’t much to them so saying they’re over engineered is imo a ridiculous statement. I think they’re build quality is better and they are as good or better than what’s on the market from Browning or Beretta. It is priced a bit higher but as I mentioned, I think you’re getting a better quality gun. Lastly, review the gun, the pros, the cons, shooting impressions and cost. Leave the nonsensical commentary about “over engineering” out.
Assuming it shoots good in other words point of aim point and impact are the same at 30 to 4 p yards yards can you carry it all day or is it just another piece of junk?
Aside from it being over-engineered and pricey, how does it shoot, how is the recoil, does it cycle fast???
Very fast and you never have to keep tightening the mag screw cap all the time. 1,500
I think you'll find this L45 is a L4S.🙄
It's written on the sides L45
@@browningmaxus5360 OK, look it up.😏
yes the 5 is an s which means slim I am not watching this channel anymore they have no Idea what they are talking about🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dave people have a choice
Breda 930i semi auto, shoots like a deam not gas operated so no mess when cleaning, pull the barrel through once and job done, even comes with competition barrel weights, check them out .
i also have a 930i an excellent gun i have shot bredas for over 25 years they dont get the publicity they deserve.
@@roadrocket thats true , I think the manufacturer needs to push the brand more , its quality 👌 just needs to catch on .
I think I'll stick to my Winchester SX4!
It looks like a good gun, but those red anozided parts look a bit cheesy.
FABARM L4S is the models name and not L45 , OK i fogive you sir.........
Fabarm L4s nota L45
You really need to do your homework before presenting a review, L4S not L45. Not the first time you've dropped a clanger! Anyhow I bought the game version of the L4S about two years ago brand new and got change from £1K. It came with two gas pistons, the polymer pulse piston for game loads and the ordinary piston for clay loads. It also came with clever plug in sling mounts. "Over engineered", it's beautifully engineered, why would you want to detract from that. I'm seriously impressed with mine, I use it for clays wildfowling pigeons and game. The chokes are really good and throw excellent patterns. I've got a Blaser F16 and it rarely comes out of the cabinet now. I didn't know that the sporter version costs £2K, that's a lot more than I paid for mine. If you get the chance have a look at one you should have a pleasant surprise.
If it were a English/British made gun would you still call it over priced and over engineered ?
So is a Roll Royce over engineered no, better over than under (bum bum)
L4s
I have the L4S and an A400 Parallel Target; 10,000 rounds plus on each of them. The Beretta will run better dirty than the FABARM, shooting 300+ rounds per week and only cleaning the Beretta three times a year is a plus. The FABARM cannot go more than 1500 rounds before a complete tear down and cleaning; otherwise I get FTE’s. Both use extremely hard steel in the bolt and other stressed parts. The author complaining about over engineering must want a soft steel and un-Proofed Turkish mid range gun, good for what your are buying (maybe), but they won’t stand up to heavy shooting. The FABARM is lighter and livelier than any A400 and feels about the same on recoil even against the Beretta Kickoff system. Both will shoot 7/8oz to 9/8oz loads without issue. Buy the best (either one) and cry once.
XLR velocity ( high rib one) it's country miles better
You are right if I got 2000$ for a semi auto it’s on a Browning or Beretta for sure sorry
Over engineered? Does it have springy-dings in the butt plate? Does it have squishy plastic stuff in the middle of the stock? Nope. Just nice machining, good design, and light weight, soft shooting shotgun.
looks a lot like my 2010 1100 Remington
Any one going to tell him it is a L4s not 5.
yes just did 😜😜
£2K really
£1,500 mine new 30"
Were you being honest?
RRP of £1495 so nowhere near £2000 really. Also, loading three into a semi-auto at a clay ground, unless specific semi auto competition, is a huge no-no as is shooting from the hip. Just sayin'....
Davids family own and run this ground. :)
@@TSCTheshootingchannel that may be so but in videos that are supposed to be promoting the safe sport of clay pigeon shooting it does not give a very good impression. A newbie that watches these videos may think it is OK to try this themselves at a clay shoot as they have seen David do it.
Unless you have shoulder problems, I can’t see why anyone would want to use a semi auto for clay shooting.
i use one for clay shooting solely it’s a choice not a decision less recoil less weight i can shoot hundreds of cartridges per day and night get tired i’ve fired around 750 in a few hours before on a sim day and gone away feeling like i hadn’t shot at all !
Why not it's the same as a double2 shells is 2 shells America doesn't get it I'm a old brit iv never got it unless your a snob
@@michaelplank8966 Because an O/U gives you the option of having 2 very different choke options to cope with close/distant target pairs. No snobbery here as the fanciest gun I ever owned was a Miroku MK38.
Maybe (fun) different after all it's about enjoyment.
@@Jolly56Roger I used to shoot clays with a Remington 870 when I started shooting. Great fun, but a real handicap to improving my scores.
So what do you want then ... An OVER Engineered Gun that's cheaper than an UNDER Engineered gun that's more expensive.
And what's the point of your.. "let's see how it shoots interludes" which you include in most of your video's.. If we... the viewer... can't at anytime see the target or the result of the shot.
Over engineered? I like your channel but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I have a friend that has that exact gun and the new rs. He has over 6000 rds of 7/8 & 1oz loads and NEVER had a jam,FTE , ect through the L4S and he's racking up the rounds on the RS now and hasn't had a issue with that either. I'm a berreta guy but I'm going to pick up an RS and give it a try since it shoots so soft.
What exactly is over engineered ?
Why are you shooting from the hip not good for new shooters to see just think about it
How on earth can you over engineer ,and where are you getting them from I only payed 1,500 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂L4S L4S S means slim do your homework
I don't really like simi-autos... Pumps are still king in the field
This guys a joke
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