Always love to see these classic French engines. No illusions that this isnt budget travel. Cheap and cheerful, nothing wrong with that. Great review, as always.
@@georgec3650 I've been a driver on similar loco's (NS Class 1700) in my country, I even got my hands on the original Alsthom factory plate. Very nice locos to drive :D
It's funny how SNCF recovered these locomotives. Here in Portugal the railway company CP did the same: took those Alsthom locos back from the junkyard and gave them new life in recent electrified lines. And they do still work perfectly!
I live in Japan, and I am jealous. Nantes to Paris Bercy is about 50 km longer than Tokyo to Nagoya which is 1.5 hours by Shinkansen…but if we want to travel on a train other than Shinkansen we will be in for a trek of at least 6 hours, on at least 5 TER equivalents. And it will cost about JPY 5,500 or USD 45.
Well at least it's still better than Korea, which doesn't even have a high speed rail network. There's a video explaining Korea's rail network, but from what i've seen, there's not even a single high speed rail line : th-cam.com/video/GpxOsJYobeA/w-d-xo.html
@@robk7266 That's because North Korea is the only true Korea, South Korea is culturally more Japanese than Korean, so it doesn't make sense for the country to have "Korea" in it's name by culture alone.
@@robk7266 No, it's just that out of the 2 Koreas, the North is the purest, while the South is more culturally Japanese than Korean, this is why it makes more sense to call North Korea "Korea" than it is to call South Korea "Korea".
16 bike spaces in an 8-car train. Brilliant. I write European cycling guide books and have been concerned lately by the reducing provision of cycle spaces on French TGV trains (removal of all cycle spaces on Lyria, no cycle spaces on new InOui TGV Sud Duplex units, no cycle spaces on any OuiGo service). In particular the old style TGVs (with 4 cycle spaces per unit) that used to run twice a day from Paris to Avignon and back have been replaced with Duplex sets with no bike provision. The only remaining way to travel from Paris to the South of France with a bike has been to use a TER train from Bercy to Lyon and another TER on to Marseille - a very slow way of travel. The OuiGo classique is the first OuiGo service with bike spaces which at €10 are cheaper than InOui (€15), that is if you can find an InOui set with bike provision. And the new OuiGo classique service to Lyon will bring cycle carriage back to an important main line route.
And I heard that the Lyon-Marseille TER route will be split in 2 at Valence. Indeed, Ouigo classique will make it much faster to use classic trains, and thus much easier. Once the RCR TERs are taken OOS between Paris and Lyon I'll definitely take the ouigo classique, but until then I will continue hopping in the compartmentalized cab cars 😎
I like it. Although the colour scheme is a bit... pink. I do not mind having no power outlets - I never need to charge anything during my train rides (I read a book, watch the scenery outside or sleep). For me, this seems to be the perfect non-highspeed train. And I LOVE the engine. It is the most beautiful electric locomotive besides the BR103.
I think the output is important, It should be a basic service. It's a 4 hour travel (without counting the time spend on travelling there, waiting for the train, waiting at the queue...people may spend 2 hours or more). People may have medium to low battery. People may want to work, to play games, to see videos on TH-cam, to distract their children, etc.
The main issue is that power sockets are provided in some coaches and not others. You might be assigned a seat with a power socket you don't need, whilst someone else who might make use of them is assigned a seat in a coach that doesn't have them. You pay the same for your ticket though and have no option to select.
Thank you for finally talking about the colour ! Nobody talks about this big dildo roaming through the country. Ouigo colours are just awful and should be considered a crime. But the Corail come back is just a treat, such a comfortable ride ^^
I was lucky to travell with Ouigo TGV from Lyon to paris 2h11m only for 15€ back in late november! I even saw tickets for 9,90€ from Paris to Marseille 3h05m duration 😃 much love from Hungary ❤️🇭🇺 Travelling with tgv was my dream since the age of 5... Now i am 21 I really love Ouigo colors. Those pink and light blue are very calm. Even the water in the toilet is blue too 😂
I really like that they are competing with car and bus travel, but I have to agree with you the coaches don't seem too nice for a medium / long distance trip. I hope they succeed with these lines and eventually upgrade the coaches while adding more and more destinations.
@@tonywalters7298 The interior colour scheme and grey bench seating does remind me of American school bus interiors but those seats do look a bit more comfortable. Still for 5€ that's a hell of a lot better than Greyhound in the USA.
The liveries of ouigo are so bold, I love them, compare them to new British liveries, majority are of a white base colour with a little bit of colour, some I’m glad to see European trains with a variety of colour.
Même si ça reste une idée globalement intéressante, je trouve qu'il serait plus intéressant de réouvrir et moderniser certaines lignes moyennes qui desservent les villes entre elles, plutôt que doublonner des axes déjà bien desservis par le TGV. Je rêverais d'un Ouigo Vitesse Classique entre Nantes et Bordeaux qui ne mettrait que 3h30 au lieu de 6 par exemple, quitte à construire quelques segments de ligne nouvelle pour cela. Ou un Limoges - Grenoble via Montluçon, Clermont-Ferrand, St Étienne et Lyon entièrement électrifié et sans correspondance. Il y a plein d'exemples dans ce sens, beaucoup de villes moyennes sont mal desservies entre elles alors que le potentiel de fréquentation est notable, beaucoup plus qu'avec les petites lignes de rabattement pas rentables qui monopolisent toute l'attention. (Même si c'est important aussi, les deux sont complémentaires et ne vont pas sans l'autre.) Tout ne se passe pas forcément à Paris quand on prend un train grande ligne. Le pays a selon moi besoin de toute urgence d'un grand come-back de l'intercité intersecteur (trains de jour comme de nuit) pour rééquilibrer le réseau et offrir davantage d'alternative à la voiture pour celui qui ne va pas en région parisienne ou n'y fait pas transit. À trop vouloir une alternative à l'avion par le TGV, on a oublié l'alternative à l'automobile par les autres trains.
I'm sorry for not being able to write in french, but I totally agree. France is well connected from Paris outwards, but adding reasonably fast services between these radial lines would greatly improve the quality of life in the country by creating some sort of spiderweb and Ouigo could be an appropriate solution.
Tout a fait (indeed). That's been the ongoing problem in France, everything is centralized for Paris first and the rest after. Tout est axe sur Paris dabord et le reste apres. Take into consideration the Marseilles Nice line. Today's TGV rides 20 km/h slower than 30 years ago due to no/poor infrastructure maintenance. Prennez la ligne entre Marseilles et Nice ou le TGV rouler 20 at 40 km/h plus vite il ya 30 and due au manque de maintient de vois. La SNCF, c'est devenue bien triste.
inOui et Ouigo tournent sur fonds propres de la SNCF. Intercité est subventionné par l'état (fin 2010, trains d’équilibre du territoire) TER et Transilien par les régions. Donc une liaison se doit d'être rentable ou bien d'être subventionnée. Côté infrastructure, il est globalement reconnu qu'il manque 1MM€/an pour stabiliser le vieillissement du réseau, mais avec un cout d'entretien très élevé. Avec 4~6MM€/an, on pourrait vraiment rajeunir le réseau et réduire durablement les couts d'entretien. Actuellement, à part les trains de nuit, le gouv actuel a mis assez peu d'€ sur la table pour améliorer l'infra et gonfler le service. Et avec le covid, certaines régions ont même réduit le nb de trains. Mais d'autres mettent la main à la poche pour faire rouler plus de TER et même améliorer les infras des "petites lignes". Y'a des bons et des mauvais élèves. Pour comparaison, le "coup de pouce" pour les carburants de 0.18€/L va couter ~3MM€ pour 4 mois. Et on continue de construire des départementales…
It is entirely possible that the sub-standard vehicle was a last-minute substitution for a defective, refurbished, one. It is equally possible that the refurb programme hasn't been completed as quickly as it should. That said, it looks reasonable overall.
Thibault, thanks for this... I agree that "carpet doesn't match the drapes" and a little more attention to interior detail would have been warranted, but you couldn't even ride with cattle for that price here! I love the concept, being envious of even this in the U.S.!
true but don't forget the size of France to your USA maybe on the east coast lines or west coast in CA around Los Angeles but as i've said your country is huge and your network is .. sorry to say cr-p !
Hey ! Thanks for the shout-out ! Loved your trip report ! Personally, i don't agree with the concept of Ouigo, especially with the luggage, because you don't know what they call a small luggage, a big luggage... But Ouigo has a big positive point for me, as trainspotter, they did some awesome liveries for their trains ! Again, thanks for the shout-out, and i'll be very happy to spot other french trains you'll travel with !
@@chartrestransport5155 oui je sais, j'ai discuté avec lui sur instagram, mais sa chaîne étant en anglais, j'écris en anglais par respect pour l'entièreté de sa communauté, pour que tout le monde comprenne.
@@SteamboatWilleyArh "la cote bleu" yes it's beautiful in my top 5 routes i've had the pleasure of doing but my top two french trains are Chamonix to Martigny yes i know it ends in Switzerland the other going up to Briancon from valence along and up the Drome valley then even more spectacular scenery from Gap to Briancon
A well balanced report. At least you have a classic train (in pink) to travel on. Railcars seem to make up the bulk of all travel that isn't high speed today, so very happy to see it. Hoping to get back to France soon. Saw my first Corail coach at Calais in 1979. They were new and exciting then! Just glad that they made it this far.
I liked the color scheme of the train on the outside. I agree with you on the coaches, they didn't seem like they worried about the upgrade. I thought in one coach, the seats were there different colors. They definitely need to get have access to power and internet. Happy Easter! Have a great weekend.
Actually, I think it is better without refurbishement. The Ouigo high speed seats are way less confortable than the "Corail" one (which are shown in the video).
Nice video. Thank you for your upload. Nice and interesting shots. Very nice that you gave many information and it was really cool to see the different impressions of the station, the ride and the train.😃 I like the idea to have low-coast and normal trains for high-speed and intercity services. So you have for each category more options, great. Funny for me is that you told years ago in one of your Ouigo-TGV videos that Sncf should run low-coast intercity trains too. Now they do.
Nice livery, very striking and I love the use of the older stock and classic French locomotives. We need cheaper train travel, it's much to expensive in the UK. I was a train driver on British Rail and traveled by train everywhere. Even with high fuel cost it's cheaper for me to drive my car, than take a train, nowadays, such a shame
there is something that makes me happy about this. That is that even if corail is already 50 y/o more or less the fact that they made a brand new service with those cars, that they are present in a lot of services around the country makes me think that they are making an effort to preserve them as long as possible (unlike other countries). Add also recent modifications like the renewing of the corail reversible units made in 2008. And some refurbishments as well. Taking all of this, hopfully they will be with us for quite a while more. And don't get me wrong, modern trains like Regiolis Regio2n or Coradia Liner are not bad at all, but there is something about corail they can't replicate if you know what i mean.
Regarding the colour scheme, it was a logical choice to invert the TGV Ouigo colours (which I love, by the way. This azure blue fits perfectly to travelling to a sea vacation using the TGV/LGV Mediterranee or Atlantique).
La première fois que j'ai vu des photos des Corails en rose, j'ai trouvé ça assez étrange, mais maintenant, je crois que je commence à bien l'aimer! The first time I saw pictures of those Corails coaches in pink, I told myself that it was really weird, but I think now I'm liking it!
Eye catching exterior. Comfy seats, lower fares and slower speeds makes for a pleasant way to enjoy the scenery. Thank you Thibault for this good video.😀💙💙
Something that Amtrak could do in the midwest, using older referred cars connect stations missed by their long haul train. The only problem is the freight railroads that want amtrak gone. I hope this takes off. Nice video
A progressive video of good step change in French travel. As a foreign tourist it gives me hope of getting around France to see more at a very reasonable price😊
Enjoyable video, thanks. I agree, it's a real pity that they've not upgraded and standardised the interiors. Using the high speed services across France cuts journey times, but the beautiful French scenery whizzes by so quickly it's difficult to really appreciate it sometimes. I like the fact that they're re-introducing more 'classic' services.
About the matching seats: although I agree it looks a bit shabby why should we dispose perfectly usable seats just because their prints don’t all match? I think there’s no harm in trying to reuse material rather than spending extra money on it.
bonjour,perso,je viens d'aller à Toulouse avec OUIGO,train classique "corail",un régal,même si on à mis 7 heures.On repart à Vannes à la fin Avril,toujours en OUIGO,à la place de la voiture,on louera sur place,prix imbattable.et un plaisir de retrouver ces trains "corail".
It is a coherent system, appealing colour scheme not shocking at all great to see classic train in use. Also the price appeal is great so all in one this is a great concept to travel cheap, without worrying about time. A good Nokia 3310 strategy 👌
Great review as always 🤩 Fantastic taking on the car and buses 🤣 Hopefully they’ll get better find more routs 👍🏻 And better than sending them to the cutters gas axe for scrap 🙄🏴
I noticed the toilet window opened at the top. That's always a nice (sneaky) place to hang a camera out to get a good shot of the train travelling through the countryside. Just make sure you have a strap attaching the camera to your wrist! Another great video.
Great trip. SNCF doing a great job, making classic train great again with rebranding them on Low cost Classic Train service to compete with road transportation. But sadly, their preparation for this concept looks like in a hurry. I'm curious, can the Private/Commercial operator like Flixtrain can entered in France for Commercial service? Or all of Train Transportation in France monopolised?
Ça montre quand même une grosse flemme de leur part, les sièges de différentes couleurs comme ça…😕 Sinon le concept de OUIGO TC est bien, j’espère qu’ils s’étendront sur d’autres liaisons. Belle vidéo 😁
It’s a shame that the seat covers were not in the same colours as the exterior and likewise with the provision of power sockets. A decent interior would’ve made it bright and zingy! Also some form of at seat catering on the part of SNCF/Ouigo would be a welcome development on this service. Perhaps this is something that SNCF will consider by adding a catering car to the consist in the future?
Some TER services are also in Corail trains like Paris - Strasbourg, Paris - Orleans - Tours (mixed with the newer Omneo Premium trains), Marseille - Nice (mixed with TER 2NNG and Regio2N trains), Strasbourg - Bale...
I couldn't believe the woman's suitcase in the aisle. Someone should have helped her if she was physically unable. After about 3 offers, she would know it's a inconvenience let alone emergency exit hazard.
Overall I'm satisfied with this OUIgo Vitesse the fare, speed and 4hrs 08mins Nantes- Paris. Max €30 I will not complaint comparison to TGV or TER takes shorter by 2 over hrs. Bike room @ €10 is unbelievable. So it's even better than driving about 8hrs long with toll routes. Flixbus about over 6hrs. One should live without Outlets since you decide to take this 50yrs old train. The cushions aren't that bad. Foot-leg space is OK. Cheap things gives you less for money. Its even better to enjoy countryside views with 160km/h. In 3rd world countries sitting on old train is beyond what you get on this OUIgo Vitesse. The pilot cockpit head looks funny like some cartoons but it looks solid. Paris Bercy-Nantes with this is completely perfect. Something I'm looking forward soon. In Suisse trains it will cost lot more but service and quality is totally different. That means cheaper tickets@€10-€20 ouhlala. Thanks so much for your brilliant video. Appreciate much 😁🙏👏
Since they didn't advertised the outlets, I'm fine with it. Some coaches have a slightly older interior but aside from the colors, it's the same. Also, pretty sure that they all have AC.
So I tried looking up on Google about the riot that was mentioned earlier in the video. But I got none of that information at all. So can anybody tell me why there is a riot about the new service?
Très bonne vidéo ! Juste dommage que tu aies montré que la partie non-rénovée de la gare de Nantes, ça aurait pu être cool de montrer la nouvelle passerelle, qui est magnifique et pratique !
I'm British/Italian by birth, now British/Luxembourgish by nationality for the last few years, have lived in Luxembourg nearly all my life. I remember the good old "train Corail" back in the day, to Paris or to the south of France, back when SNCF had a monopoly... It seems to me we are coming full circle with this, "standard" Express trains alongside high-speed trains (TGV and others), not sure that privatisation was/is a good thing in the long run, at least ÖBB is bringing a bit of sanity back with the NightJet!
Can someone explain the protests against new ouigo service in nantes? Can't find anything about it on english, unfortunately since all of them are in French.
Sure it would be nice to have a charging point but I actually prefer these interiors to the new ouigo ones. There’s also something so nice about the way these trains ride.
I pray that leaders see that trains would be more popular than cars or planes with cheaper prices. Competition is only starting now that new companies are able to bid for lines, to follow the European directive or law. Hopefully time will tell.
Grâce à un train Ouigo vitesse classique, les chartrains pourront aller à Paris (ou vice-versa avec les parisiens allant à Chartres) plus rapidement (1:35 par Transillien N et 1:20 par TER contre 1:00 par Ouigo vitesse classique), très utile lors des heures de pointe, où les chartrains vont aller à Paris le matin et les parisiens vont aller à Chartres le soir.
@@freewal Malheureusement non, il ne fera qu'un aller-retour quotidien, et là encore, il fait d'abord Paris-Chartres, et ensuite Chartres-Paris. Ça serait peut-être bien si il fessait d'abord Chartres-Paris le matin, ensuite Paris-Chartres le midi, ensuite Chartres-Paris l'après-midi et enfin Paris-Chartres le soir, soit 2 aller-retours quotidiens, et des chartrains travaillant à Paris qui sont très contents.
Well you get what you pay for I suppose. Not sure I see the appeal but I guess it's nice for the super duper cost conscious traveler. If you can't book a connecting journey I'm not sure the value added of servicing intermittent non LGV stops. Maybe a more useful service would be a low cost feeder option allowing those in smaller communities to access existing high speed service under one ouigo umbrella
Having a dedicated passenger railline with discounted prices here in the U.S would be the only way to get people out of their cars. Sure we can get high speed rail in some places, but most railroad lines here share with freight cars, which have priority. I'm not sure that is why train travel is more expensive than plane travel or car travel across country, and I think it's alot better overall than car or plane. The cost and the time factor could be improved if ever cars would be less on overburdened highways. Last year I took a train trip of a similar distance here in the western U.S., it took 2 trains and a bus to get to destination, cost $200 for coach seat (non-sleeper) without access to shower on 36-hour trip total. So yeah, some places have got the infrastructure in place already. Lucky dogs
I'm not sure if this is actually allowed and International Ouigo Classic Speed like Paris Est Stuttgart or München Hbf via Hauptstrecke München-Augsburg. This would have actually required a partner on the German side and a locomotive capable of running Appenweier-Strasbourg railway. The Corail Coaches used to do International services to Germany Military West Berlin with the BB20300 getting dropped at Helmstedt for a DR BR132 DR BR118 119 U-boat Helmstedt Marienborn West Berlin
@@alexstuart1849 It does switch locomotives at Karlsruhe Hbf MRCE BR 185.5 Paris Strasbourg Kehl Appenweier Karlsruhe Hbf for a DB BR182 OBB 1016 1116 for the Karlsruhe Stuttgart Augsburg Munchen Rosenheim Salzburg Linz Wien Hbf.
@@EpicThe112 oh ok, my bad yeah I forgot that it merges with another train right? I meant it doesn't switch locos at the border but you're right indeed
I wish EU would authorize competition with Ouigo in conventional trains to get Flixtrain remodeled Corails, involving SNCF in a minimal way. SNCF needs to hire more coach cleaners for all services in general, including TGV is sometimes dirty even in first. Ouigo service needs power outlets and fast wifi, new LED Lighting too, the current yellow lighting looks horribly dated. Also, a cafe and snack vending machins on TER and Ouigo would be good. It's too bad SNCF cut back Bar and Diners in the 90's.... At least offer something in 1st for TER. GREAT REVIEW as always!
17:49 - the "voiture d'encadrement v2n" is the best rolling stock in this video for "classic travel" ;) i think, this "violet nightmare" is possibly mainly an another alibi-manoeuvre ... maybe sncf is soon even going to reawake the notorius "Cabine 8" ... "Ouigo de Nuit" ... thanks a lot to the EU for the silly "railway liberalization" ...
Ce que je trouve bizarre, c'est que Ouigo dit: ''Si l’extérieur des rames propose un design repensé, l’intérieur des wagons, lui, reste celui des trains Corail des années 1980 remis au propre, mais pas modernisé. Pas de Wi-Fi à bord donc, ni de prise électrique.". Hors, comme tu l'as prouvé, certains sièges sont changé*, les prises sont là (Sont-elles fonctionnelles?), et les voitures sont pas nettoyé de fond en comble, donc bon, merci pour le mensonge commercial... *Après avoir fait le calcule suivant, j'ai trouvé ce qui aurai coûté à Ouigo/SNCF pour changer toutes les housses: Admettons qu'une house de siège coûte 10€. 10 x 92 sièges par voiture = 920€. 920€ x 8 voitures par train = 7360€. 7360€ x 5 trains en tout sur le réseau OSLO = 36800€. *SACHANT QUE CERTAINES VOITURES ONT DÉJÀ LES SIEGES RÉNOVÉS (voitures intercités + sièges déjà modifiés vu en vidéo), cela veut dire que Ouigo devrait payer moins de 36800€. On va quand même pas nous faire croire que c'est trop cher venant de SNCF/Ouigo!
Je pense qu'il y a quelque chose derrière qui me fait penser que la SNCF tente quelque chose sans trop investir, et que je pense que d'ici quelques années, ce sera l'ancien TGV qui reprendra le flambeau :)
C'est plutôt 100 euros par siège, un tissus anti tâche, au norme incendie c'est mini 25 euros le m. Il y a au moins 3m par siège, plus éventuellement la mousse à changer. Si certaines voitures ont des prises c'est que la SNCF récupère du matériel qui avait été donnée aux régions ou qui était passé en Lunéa et donc rénové. Mais dans tous les cas ces voitures restent les plus confortable de tous le matériel ferroviaire actuel, silencieux, spacieux, confortable.
Still the classic Corail interior, even the original seats. How pleasantly retro. If only the UK's Train Operating Companies had done the same with HSTs rather than installing new, and invariably less comfortable, seats. And this modern fixation with power sockets; turn off the phone and the laptop for a while. Relax.
Comparing this train to the local offerings where I'm from, I can honestly say I'd rather the Ouigo any time. At least the windows are clean, the seats are all functional and there's no horrible graffiti scrawled over everything. Last time I had to take a local train here, only one coach of fifteen was clean and functional. Others were painted, had cracked windows and seats missing because someone had lit them on fire, slashed the covers or left questionable stains on them.
The early days of Flixtrain were like this - you can see this in the model train world - they didn't even have the bright green exterior with the black window band - they were makeshift looking collections of several different UIC cars. Not refurbished, no Wifi... the feeling was that of the mid 80s. Now they are all refurbished, have a nice wood-finish interior, all seats are (looking) new, WiFi and nice exterior. Maybe the SNCF didn't want to throw money away and is waiting for the services to be accepted and then will refurbish everything but I agree - you can't call a service "2nd class only" and then have some cars without AC and without power outlets. It's 2022. We all have devices we need to charge and if the trip is 4h instead of 2h, a lot of devices will drain to almost empty on the way. This is an absolute embarrassment. It would've been better of NO ONE had had a power outlet if you ask me instead of just SOME. Even if it had been an extra you'd have to pay for it would've been better. But this is just laughing in the customers' faces. It's disrespectful.
nice video Thibaut but as has been mentioned Lyon and Nantes both already have cheap Ouigo TGV's isn't this more for people who live in the cities in between Paris and Lyon/Nantes where there is a distance to the nearest TGV station i'm lucky i live within 10kms from valence TGV so if i was going to Paris on the cheap i'd get a Ouigo tgv even when and if they bring back the Nice/Marseille to Paris the only time i'd catch it would be to go to Lyon or down to Avignon instead of catching the TER
I think the livery is not bad but not that good either, bright pink works better with mixing it with dark colours so it looks cool and more classy. For example, look up "Kessel Racing Iron dames Ferrari 488" - now that's incredible livery although on a race car (that raced at Le Mans 24h by the way) instead of train. But anyways, get the idea I guess. Lack of power outlets in some coaches can be a bit of an annoyance especially on such long trip. Someone may once travel in a coach that has one and next trip don't worry about charging phone before trip assuming there will be one.. but ending up in a coach without power outlets.
Est-il possible d’emprunter ces trains entre paris et Versailles ou massy ou étampes par exemple (comme pour les TER) où est-ce interdit ? (Comme pour les TGV)
@@sam.g7278 C’est pas une question de réservation mais juste d’avoir le droit d’emprunter la ligne, car normalement le pass navigo fait office dans tous les trains (hors exception) dans les zones 1-5, pour ça qu’on peut emprunter un ter entre mantes et paris par exemple. Jusqu’à lors seul les TGV faisaient exception, les intercités ne l’étaient pas (il est par exemple possible d’emprunter un corail INTERCITÉ entre Gare de Lyon et Melun)
@@fugf1623 Étant intéressé par le sujet vu que je dois laisser passer les TGV qui font Massy ↔️ Versailles et les trains NOMAD qui font Montparnasse ↔️ Versailles... De ce que j'ai compris (et de ce que j'avais lu sur un forum de la SNCF), on ne peut pas monter avec un pass Navigo dans un train à reservation obligatoire 😔 donc TGV, OUIGO, train NOMAD (je parle des Paris Montparnasse ↔️ Granville notamment, il est expressément indiqué sur les écrans et sites de la sncf qu'il est interdit de les emprunter pour faire Montparnasse ↔️ Versailles Chantiers)... Ça fait sens... mais c'est dommage 😔 Il est également impossible d'acheter un billet TGV inOui entre Massy et Versailles par exemple, alors pourtant que certains TGV (Marseille ↔️ Le Havre) desservent ces 2 gares... 😕 😕 😕
@@fugf1623 De ce que j'ai compris, si le TER est sans réservation / placement libre, et que l'on peut valider (valideur à dispo sur le quai), alors c'est bon. Pour avoir déjà pris un train NOMAD à Versailles Chantiers sans savoir, je me suis rendu compte que les trains arrivaient au hall 3 de Montparnasse, qui n'a pas de valideurs Navigo sur les quais, preuve qu'on ne peut pas les prendre avec un pass Navigo. De la même manière que les TER ne peuvent pas être empruntés avec un ticket origine destination, vu que par exemple à Montparnasse on trouve sur les quais des TER des valideurs n'acceptant que les Navigo.
What is the expected time from Paris to Lyon on the new service compared to TGV or the Italiarail competition? Seems like a bunch of added seats plying the route over the past six months, but €30 for a walk-up fare may be worth the extra travel time.
So they are reusing a 45 years old Bullet train Coaches for a Semi Hi Speed Train service at reduced speed Perfect . They still work even after 45 Years in service.. Fantastic
Bonjour,Merci pour la vidéo. Je me demandais: peut-on ouvrir les fenêtres dans ce train ? je vois des endroits faits pour mais ils sont tous fermés. Et avec les chaleurs en ce moment ce serait sympa d'avoir de l'air frais surtout si les clims sont pas toutes fonctionnelles^^
Always love to see these classic French engines. No illusions that this isnt budget travel. Cheap and cheerful, nothing wrong with that. Great review, as always.
I'm in my 50s now and those locomotives with the windscreen sloping the "wrong" way are the classic French locos for me :)
I’m in my 20s and they’re still the same for me, absolutely love to see them but never been on one
@@georgec3650 I've been a driver on similar loco's (NS Class 1700) in my country, I even got my hands on the original Alsthom factory plate. Very nice locos to drive :D
@@robinnieuwenhuis4715 En trokken voor de reizigers de beste intercity vroeger, met allemaal losse wagons.
It's funny how SNCF recovered these locomotives.
Here in Portugal the railway company CP did the same: took those Alsthom locos back from the junkyard and gave them new life in recent electrified lines.
And they do still work perfectly!
I live in Japan, and I am jealous.
Nantes to Paris Bercy is about 50 km longer than Tokyo to Nagoya which is 1.5 hours by Shinkansen…but if we want to travel on a train other than Shinkansen we will be in for a trek of at least 6 hours, on at least 5 TER equivalents.
And it will cost about JPY 5,500 or USD 45.
Well at least it's still better than Korea, which doesn't even have a high speed rail network.
There's a video explaining Korea's rail network, but from what i've seen, there's not even a single high speed rail line : th-cam.com/video/GpxOsJYobeA/w-d-xo.html
@@candyneige6609 that's North Korea
@@robk7266 That's because North Korea is the only true Korea, South Korea is culturally more Japanese than Korean, so it doesn't make sense for the country to have "Korea" in it's name by culture alone.
@@candyneige6609 I'm sorry what? Are you a troll?
@@robk7266 No, it's just that out of the 2 Koreas, the North is the purest, while the South is more culturally Japanese than Korean, this is why it makes more sense to call North Korea "Korea" than it is to call South Korea "Korea".
16 bike spaces in an 8-car train. Brilliant. I write European cycling guide books and have been concerned lately by the reducing provision of cycle spaces on French TGV trains (removal of all cycle spaces on Lyria, no cycle spaces on new InOui TGV Sud Duplex units, no cycle spaces on any OuiGo service). In particular the old style TGVs (with 4 cycle spaces per unit) that used to run twice a day from Paris to Avignon and back have been replaced with Duplex sets with no bike provision. The only remaining way to travel from Paris to the South of France with a bike has been to use a TER train from Bercy to Lyon and another TER on to Marseille - a very slow way of travel. The OuiGo classique is the first OuiGo service with bike spaces which at €10 are cheaper than InOui (€15), that is if you can find an InOui set with bike provision. And the new OuiGo classique service to Lyon will bring cycle carriage back to an important main line route.
Seems like you know the subject well! Can you please share a link to your guides? Thanks
And I heard that the Lyon-Marseille TER route will be split in 2 at Valence. Indeed, Ouigo classique will make it much faster to use classic trains, and thus much easier. Once the RCR TERs are taken OOS between Paris and Lyon I'll definitely take the ouigo classique, but until then I will continue hopping in the compartmentalized cab cars 😎
I like it. Although the colour scheme is a bit... pink. I do not mind having no power outlets - I never need to charge anything during my train rides (I read a book, watch the scenery outside or sleep). For me, this seems to be the perfect non-highspeed train. And I LOVE the engine. It is the most beautiful electric locomotive besides the BR103.
... and the Taurus with its musicality :D
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I think the output is important, It should be a basic service.
It's a 4 hour travel (without counting the time spend on travelling there, waiting for the train, waiting at the queue...people may spend 2 hours or more).
People may have medium to low battery. People may want to work, to play games, to see videos on TH-cam, to distract their children, etc.
The main issue is that power sockets are provided in some coaches and not others. You might be assigned a seat with a power socket you don't need, whilst someone else who might make use of them is assigned a seat in a coach that doesn't have them. You pay the same for your ticket though and have no option to select.
Thank you for finally talking about the colour ! Nobody talks about this big dildo roaming through the country. Ouigo colours are just awful and should be considered a crime.
But the Corail come back is just a treat, such a comfortable ride ^^
I was lucky to travell with Ouigo TGV from Lyon to paris 2h11m only for 15€ back in late november! I even saw tickets for 9,90€ from Paris to Marseille 3h05m duration 😃 much love from Hungary ❤️🇭🇺 Travelling with tgv was my dream since the age of 5... Now i am 21 I really love Ouigo colors. Those pink and light blue are very calm. Even the water in the toilet is blue too 😂
I really like that they are competing with car and bus travel, but I have to agree with you the coaches don't seem too nice for a medium / long distance trip. I hope they succeed with these lines and eventually upgrade the coaches while adding more and more destinations.
the inside reminds me of school buses in the USA
Honestly, they're comfortable trains. The seats have plenty of cushion, the suspension is very compliant and the coaches are quiet.
@@tonywalters7298 The interior colour scheme and grey bench seating does remind me of American school bus interiors but those seats do look a bit more comfortable. Still for 5€ that's a hell of a lot better than Greyhound in the USA.
Keep in mind it's late 1970s / early 1980s rolling stock
@@quayzar1 The seats are EXTREMELY comfortable. Like in a 70's car, plenty of cushion.
The liveries of ouigo are so bold, I love them, compare them to new British liveries, majority are of a white base colour with a little bit of colour, some I’m glad to see European trains with a variety of colour.
Même si ça reste une idée globalement intéressante, je trouve qu'il serait plus intéressant de réouvrir et moderniser certaines lignes moyennes qui desservent les villes entre elles, plutôt que doublonner des axes déjà bien desservis par le TGV.
Je rêverais d'un Ouigo Vitesse Classique entre Nantes et Bordeaux qui ne mettrait que 3h30 au lieu de 6 par exemple, quitte à construire quelques segments de ligne nouvelle pour cela.
Ou un Limoges - Grenoble via Montluçon, Clermont-Ferrand, St Étienne et Lyon entièrement électrifié et sans correspondance. Il y a plein d'exemples dans ce sens, beaucoup de villes moyennes sont mal desservies entre elles alors que le potentiel de fréquentation est notable, beaucoup plus qu'avec les petites lignes de rabattement pas rentables qui monopolisent toute l'attention. (Même si c'est important aussi, les deux sont complémentaires et ne vont pas sans l'autre.) Tout ne se passe pas forcément à Paris quand on prend un train grande ligne. Le pays a selon moi besoin de toute urgence d'un grand come-back de l'intercité intersecteur (trains de jour comme de nuit) pour rééquilibrer le réseau et offrir davantage d'alternative à la voiture pour celui qui ne va pas en région parisienne ou n'y fait pas transit.
À trop vouloir une alternative à l'avion par le TGV, on a oublié l'alternative à l'automobile par les autres trains.
I'm sorry for not being able to write in french, but I totally agree. France is well connected from Paris outwards, but adding reasonably fast services between these radial lines would greatly improve the quality of life in the country by creating some sort of spiderweb and Ouigo could be an appropriate solution.
@@maxart3392 That's effectivly the whole idea. :)
Vous idées sont bonnes et elles me plaisent.
Tout a fait (indeed). That's been the ongoing problem in France, everything is centralized for Paris first and the rest after. Tout est axe sur Paris dabord et le reste apres. Take into consideration the Marseilles Nice line. Today's TGV rides 20 km/h slower than 30 years ago due to no/poor infrastructure maintenance. Prennez la ligne entre Marseilles et Nice ou le TGV rouler 20 at 40 km/h plus vite il ya 30 and due au manque de maintient de vois. La SNCF, c'est devenue bien triste.
inOui et Ouigo tournent sur fonds propres de la SNCF. Intercité est subventionné par l'état (fin 2010, trains d’équilibre du territoire) TER et Transilien par les régions. Donc une liaison se doit d'être rentable ou bien d'être subventionnée.
Côté infrastructure, il est globalement reconnu qu'il manque 1MM€/an pour stabiliser le vieillissement du réseau, mais avec un cout d'entretien très élevé. Avec 4~6MM€/an, on pourrait vraiment rajeunir le réseau et réduire durablement les couts d'entretien.
Actuellement, à part les trains de nuit, le gouv actuel a mis assez peu d'€ sur la table pour améliorer l'infra et gonfler le service. Et avec le covid, certaines régions ont même réduit le nb de trains. Mais d'autres mettent la main à la poche pour faire rouler plus de TER et même améliorer les infras des "petites lignes". Y'a des bons et des mauvais élèves.
Pour comparaison, le "coup de pouce" pour les carburants de 0.18€/L va couter ~3MM€ pour 4 mois. Et on continue de construire des départementales…
It is entirely possible that the sub-standard vehicle was a last-minute substitution for a defective, refurbished, one. It is equally possible that the refurb programme hasn't been completed as quickly as it should. That said, it looks reasonable overall.
Both assumptions are incorrect. There are no “standardized” interiors
Oh that's really cool seeing the MCB close at 5:57
14:10 what a nice guy, haha
Thibault, thanks for this... I agree that "carpet doesn't match the drapes" and a little more attention to interior detail would have been warranted, but you couldn't even ride with cattle for that price here!
I love the concept, being envious of even this in the U.S.!
true but don't forget the size of France to your USA maybe on the east coast lines or west coast in CA around Los Angeles but as i've said your country is huge and your network is .. sorry to say cr-p !
Hey ! Thanks for the shout-out ! Loved your trip report ! Personally, i don't agree with the concept of Ouigo, especially with the luggage, because you don't know what they call a small luggage, a big luggage... But Ouigo has a big positive point for me, as trainspotter, they did some awesome liveries for their trains ! Again, thanks for the shout-out, and i'll be very happy to spot other french trains you'll travel with !
Tu sais qu'il est français ?
@@chartrestransport5155 oui je sais, j'ai discuté avec lui sur instagram, mais sa chaîne étant en anglais, j'écris en anglais par respect pour l'entièreté de sa communauté, pour que tout le monde comprenne.
Nice job with the video, looks like you were hanging off the edge as you filmed!
@@bobmmann3917 thanks man ! There were some stairs that we don't see on the video, that's why it looks like i'm hanging off an edge 😁
French countryside is stunning. I've only visited France once but I want to go again.
The line along the south coast from Martigues to Marseille has some spectacular scenery.
@@SteamboatWilleyArh "la cote bleu" yes it's beautiful in my top 5 routes i've had the pleasure of doing but my top two french trains are Chamonix to Martigny yes i know it ends in Switzerland the other going up to Briancon from valence along and up the Drome valley then even more spectacular scenery from Gap to Briancon
Yeah it is
A well balanced report. At least you have a classic train (in pink) to travel on. Railcars seem to make up the bulk of all travel that isn't high speed today, so very happy to see it. Hoping to get back to France soon. Saw my first Corail coach at Calais in 1979. They were new and exciting then! Just glad that they made it this far.
Those coaches still have really big windows, I'm impressed and jealous of the natural light you get in there!
I liked the color scheme of the train on the outside. I agree with you on the coaches, they didn't seem like they worried about the upgrade. I thought in one coach, the seats were there different colors. They definitely need to get have access to power and internet. Happy Easter! Have a great weekend.
Actually, I think it is better without refurbishement. The Ouigo high speed seats are way less confortable than the "Corail" one (which are shown in the video).
Nice video. Thank you for your upload.
Nice and interesting shots. Very nice that you gave many information and it was really cool to see the different impressions of the station, the ride and the train.😃
I like the idea to have low-coast and normal trains for high-speed and intercity services. So you have for each category more options, great. Funny for me is that you told years ago in one of your Ouigo-TGV videos that Sncf should run low-coast intercity trains too. Now they do.
Nice livery, very striking and I love the use of the older stock and classic French locomotives.
We need cheaper train travel, it's much to expensive in the UK. I was a train driver on British Rail and traveled by train everywhere. Even with high fuel cost it's cheaper for me to drive my car, than take a train, nowadays, such a shame
there is something that makes me happy about this. That is that even if corail is already 50 y/o more or less the fact that they made a brand new service with those cars, that they are present in a lot of services around the country makes me think that they are making an effort to preserve them as long as possible (unlike other countries). Add also recent modifications like the renewing of the corail reversible units made in 2008. And some refurbishments as well. Taking all of this, hopfully they will be with us for quite a while more.
And don't get me wrong, modern trains like Regiolis Regio2n or Coradia Liner are not bad at all, but there is something about corail they can't replicate if you know what i mean.
Classic train are the best😍😍😍
I hope corail train never die
This is a genius idea and definately will encourage more train users all at a affordable price
Instead of bringing back « normal trains » for everyone,they created a new brand for it and sell tickets by internet only ! A real progress…🤮
BEAU TRAIN FRANCAIS jadore merci simpli railway
Regarding the colour scheme, it was a logical choice to invert the TGV Ouigo colours (which I love, by the way. This azure blue fits perfectly to travelling to a sea vacation using the TGV/LGV Mediterranee or Atlantique).
La première fois que j'ai vu des photos des Corails en rose, j'ai trouvé ça assez étrange, mais maintenant, je crois que je commence à bien l'aimer!
The first time I saw pictures of those Corails coaches in pink, I told myself that it was really weird, but I think now I'm liking it!
idem/same
Eye catching exterior. Comfy seats, lower fares and slower speeds makes for a pleasant way to enjoy the scenery.
Thank you Thibault for this good video.😀💙💙
Something that Amtrak could do in the midwest, using older referred cars connect stations missed by their long haul train. The only problem is the freight railroads that want amtrak gone. I hope this takes off. Nice video
A progressive video of good step change in French travel. As a foreign tourist it gives me hope of getting around France to see more at a very reasonable price😊
Enjoyable video, thanks. I agree, it's a real pity that they've not upgraded and standardised the interiors. Using the high speed services across France cuts journey times, but the beautiful French scenery whizzes by so quickly it's difficult to really appreciate it sometimes. I like the fact that they're re-introducing more 'classic' services.
I love the pink trains!!!
What would be useful is either a small drinks trolley or somewhere maybe a vending machine on board where such basic things as water may be purchased.
About the matching seats: although I agree it looks a bit shabby why should we dispose perfectly usable seats just because their prints don’t all match? I think there’s no harm in trying to reuse material rather than spending extra money on it.
première fois qu'on voit bien à travers des fenêtres de Corail
18:34
Here you can see a BB26000 (aka Sybic), which could be used in the future for these OUIGO trains
The color makes a statement and stands out.
bonjour,perso,je viens d'aller à Toulouse avec OUIGO,train classique "corail",un régal,même si on à mis 7 heures.On repart à Vannes à la fin Avril,toujours en OUIGO,à la place de la voiture,on louera sur place,prix imbattable.et un plaisir de retrouver ces trains "corail".
It is a coherent system, appealing colour scheme not shocking at all great to see classic train in use. Also the price appeal is great so all in one this is a great concept to travel cheap, without worrying about time. A good Nokia 3310 strategy 👌
Great review as always 🤩 Fantastic taking on the car and buses 🤣 Hopefully they’ll get better find more routs 👍🏻 And better than sending them to the cutters gas axe for scrap 🙄🏴
I noticed the toilet window opened at the top. That's always a nice (sneaky) place to hang a camera out to get a good shot of the train travelling through the countryside. Just make sure you have a strap attaching the camera to your wrist! Another great video.
If i am not mistaken the flap Windows in the passenger area and the doors aren’t locked
Great video as always , hopefully back to a more easily travel time in future.
Feels like the train trips from my childhood in the 80s and 90s.
Great trip. SNCF doing a great job, making classic train great again with rebranding them on Low cost Classic Train service to compete with road transportation. But sadly, their preparation for this concept looks like in a hurry. I'm curious, can the Private/Commercial operator like Flixtrain can entered in France for Commercial service? Or all of Train Transportation in France monopolised?
Flixtrain wanted to enter the French rail market but pulled out after the pandemic
The trains look a bit like DB intercity 1 trains and Flixtrain (You said this). Great Video! (Sorry for my bad English)
7:12 - one thing has changed: the folded curtains, typical for corail coaches, are gone.
And some seats too were replaced... But not all of them
Cheers from 4k walk in Poland . If my grandfather was alive, he would watch this channel every day. 🖐👍🤝🙋♂️.
Beautiful train, views and price!
Ça montre quand même une grosse flemme de leur part, les sièges de différentes couleurs comme ça…😕
Sinon le concept de OUIGO TC est bien, j’espère qu’ils s’étendront sur d’autres liaisons. Belle vidéo 😁
I'm glad to see they're still using that classic loco!
It’s a shame that the seat covers were not in the same colours as the exterior and likewise with the provision of power sockets. A decent interior would’ve made it bright and zingy! Also some form of at seat catering on the part of SNCF/Ouigo would be a welcome development on this service. Perhaps this is something that SNCF will consider by adding a catering car to the consist in the future?
For me, It's a surprise to see Corail cars still running on SNCF services in France.
I really hope these are still good for service and won't fail too much 😕
@@fanfan54old why would they fail ? They have been well updated are very reliable and are super comfy
If it ain't broke
They are probably the most reliable train cars of the world. Well maintened
Some TER services are also in Corail trains like Paris - Strasbourg, Paris - Orleans - Tours (mixed with the newer Omneo Premium trains), Marseille - Nice (mixed with TER 2NNG and Regio2N trains), Strasbourg - Bale...
I couldn't believe the woman's suitcase in the aisle. Someone should have helped her if she was physically unable. After about 3 offers, she would know it's a inconvenience let alone emergency exit hazard.
Sympa ce voyage qui prend le temps. Dans les commentaires anglais on lit 2 fois since au lieu de for pour dire depuis. Merci pour la vidéo
Overall I'm satisfied with this OUIgo Vitesse the fare, speed and 4hrs 08mins Nantes- Paris. Max €30 I will not complaint comparison to TGV or TER takes shorter by 2 over hrs. Bike room @ €10 is unbelievable. So it's even better than driving about 8hrs long with toll routes. Flixbus about over 6hrs. One should live without Outlets since you decide to take this 50yrs old train. The cushions aren't that bad. Foot-leg space is OK. Cheap things gives you less for money. Its even better to enjoy countryside views with 160km/h. In 3rd world countries sitting on old train is beyond what you get on this OUIgo Vitesse. The pilot cockpit head looks funny like some cartoons but it looks solid. Paris Bercy-Nantes with this is completely perfect. Something I'm looking forward soon. In Suisse trains it will cost lot more but service and quality is totally different. That means cheaper
tickets@€10-€20 ouhlala.
Thanks so much for your brilliant video.
Appreciate much 😁🙏👏
Since they didn't advertised the outlets, I'm fine with it. Some coaches have a slightly older interior but aside from the colors, it's the same.
Also, pretty sure that they all have AC.
How does the noise in the passenger carriages compare to more modern equipment?
So I tried looking up on Google about the riot that was mentioned earlier in the video. But I got none of that information at all. So can anybody tell me why there is a riot about the new service?
It's because this new service will add more work to crew members so they want the sncf to increase their remuneration or something
@@sam.g7278 ohh I see.
15:30 well that's a nice SBB sweater! what about it?
Can you please make a video about Amtrak Vermonter? And patco train?
The livery is too loud, but I like the big windows on Corail coaches. The seats look joined together like a bench. Do the individual seats recline?
no the seats dont recline the older ones where Thibaut sat at first were changed at the beginning of the century if i remember rightly
Très bonne vidéo ! Juste dommage que tu aies montré que la partie non-rénovée de la gare de Nantes, ça aurait pu être cool de montrer la nouvelle passerelle, qui est magnifique et pratique !
The seats are fine. The different colours fit ouigo's circus themed colourfulness.
I'm British/Italian by birth, now British/Luxembourgish by nationality for the last few years, have lived in Luxembourg nearly all my life. I remember the good old "train Corail" back in the day, to Paris or to the south of France, back when SNCF had a monopoly... It seems to me we are coming full circle with this, "standard" Express trains alongside high-speed trains (TGV and others), not sure that privatisation was/is a good thing in the long run, at least ÖBB is bringing a bit of sanity back with the NightJet!
I am a train manager in Ouigo TGV, thanks for this vidéo
Can someone explain the protests against new ouigo service in nantes? Can't find anything about it on english, unfortunately since all of them are in French.
I think its because this new service gives the train crew more work so they protest about it
pushing through reforms detrimental to working conditions and work-life balance.
Sure it would be nice to have a charging point but I actually prefer these interiors to the new ouigo ones. There’s also something so nice about the way these trains ride.
Nice effort to offer cheaper transport. The big problem with European trains is that the ticket prices are not competative.
I pray that leaders see that trains would be more popular than cars or planes with cheaper prices. Competition is only starting now that new companies are able to bid for lines, to follow the European directive or law. Hopefully time will tell.
Grâce à un train Ouigo vitesse classique, les chartrains pourront aller à Paris (ou vice-versa avec les parisiens allant à Chartres) plus rapidement (1:35 par Transillien N et 1:20 par TER contre 1:00 par Ouigo vitesse classique), très utile lors des heures de pointe, où les chartrains vont aller à Paris le matin et les parisiens vont aller à Chartres le soir.
Est ce qu’il y aura un programme horaire régulier ?
@@freewal Malheureusement non, il ne fera qu'un aller-retour quotidien, et là encore, il fait d'abord Paris-Chartres, et ensuite Chartres-Paris.
Ça serait peut-être bien si il fessait d'abord Chartres-Paris le matin, ensuite Paris-Chartres le midi, ensuite Chartres-Paris l'après-midi et enfin Paris-Chartres le soir, soit 2 aller-retours quotidiens, et des chartrains travaillant à Paris qui sont très contents.
I need to save this video to watch it when I travel there 😁
SNCF sure has figured out all! Those prices can’t be beat!
Well you get what you pay for I suppose. Not sure I see the appeal but I guess it's nice for the super duper cost conscious traveler. If you can't book a connecting journey I'm not sure the value added of servicing intermittent non LGV stops. Maybe a more useful service would be a low cost feeder option allowing those in smaller communities to access existing high speed service under one ouigo umbrella
I have some question for Simply Railways Channel, Why Simply Railways didn't try the Indonesia Intercity trains?
Maybe it's too far from France and they couldn't travel to Indonesia... for now? 😅😅😅
I like the different seats, its funny in some way. The pink livery makes me kind of crazy.
Having a dedicated passenger railline with discounted prices here in the U.S would be the only way to get people out of their cars.
Sure we can get high speed rail in some places, but most railroad lines here share with freight cars, which have priority. I'm not sure that is why train travel is more expensive than plane travel or car travel across country, and I think it's alot better overall than car or plane. The cost and the time factor could be improved if ever cars would be less on overburdened highways.
Last year I took a train trip of a similar distance here in the western U.S., it took 2 trains and a bus to get to destination, cost $200 for coach seat (non-sleeper) without access to shower on 36-hour trip total. So yeah, some places have got the infrastructure in place already. Lucky dogs
The first time I saw this train was on April 1st. Really thought it was a joke. Yet, here it is again.
Thanks for sharing this video 👍👍👍
Nice👍👍👍
I wonder why they painted/wrapped the only bb22000 that was wearing a multiservice paint scheme.
I'm not sure if this is actually allowed and International Ouigo Classic Speed like Paris Est Stuttgart or München Hbf via Hauptstrecke München-Augsburg. This would have actually required a partner on the German side and a locomotive capable of running Appenweier-Strasbourg railway. The Corail Coaches used to do International services to Germany Military West Berlin with the BB20300 getting dropped at Helmstedt for a DR BR132 DR BR118 119 U-boat Helmstedt Marienborn West Berlin
for the Paris-Wien night train they use a Bombardier Traxx and don't switch locos.
@@alexstuart1849 It does switch locomotives at Karlsruhe Hbf MRCE BR 185.5 Paris Strasbourg Kehl Appenweier Karlsruhe Hbf for a DB BR182 OBB 1016 1116 for the Karlsruhe Stuttgart Augsburg Munchen Rosenheim Salzburg Linz Wien Hbf.
@@EpicThe112 oh ok, my bad yeah I forgot that it merges with another train right? I meant it doesn't switch locos at the border but you're right indeed
The train service was picketed.
In the US only anti rail NIMBYS picket rail service.
I wish EU would authorize competition with Ouigo in conventional trains to get Flixtrain remodeled Corails, involving SNCF in a minimal way.
SNCF needs to hire more coach cleaners for all services in general, including TGV is sometimes dirty even in first.
Ouigo service needs power outlets and fast wifi, new LED Lighting too, the current yellow lighting looks horribly dated.
Also, a cafe and snack vending machins on TER and Ouigo would be good. It's too bad SNCF cut back Bar and Diners in the 90's....
At least offer something in 1st for TER. GREAT REVIEW as always!
17:49 - the "voiture d'encadrement v2n" is the best rolling stock in this video for "classic travel" ;)
i think, this "violet nightmare" is possibly mainly an another alibi-manoeuvre ... maybe sncf is soon even going to reawake the notorius "Cabine 8" ... "Ouigo de Nuit" ... thanks a lot to the EU for the silly "railway liberalization" ...
Salut le train que tu as pris ne marquait pas l'arrêt à juvisy
Ce que je trouve bizarre, c'est que Ouigo dit: ''Si l’extérieur des rames propose un design repensé, l’intérieur des wagons, lui, reste celui des trains Corail des années 1980 remis au propre, mais pas modernisé. Pas de Wi-Fi à bord donc, ni de prise électrique.". Hors, comme tu l'as prouvé, certains sièges sont changé*, les prises sont là (Sont-elles fonctionnelles?), et les voitures sont pas nettoyé de fond en comble, donc bon, merci pour le mensonge commercial...
*Après avoir fait le calcule suivant, j'ai trouvé ce qui aurai coûté à Ouigo/SNCF pour changer toutes les housses: Admettons qu'une house de siège coûte 10€.
10 x 92 sièges par voiture = 920€.
920€ x 8 voitures par train = 7360€.
7360€ x 5 trains en tout sur le réseau OSLO = 36800€.
*SACHANT QUE CERTAINES VOITURES ONT DÉJÀ LES SIEGES RÉNOVÉS (voitures intercités + sièges déjà modifiés vu en vidéo), cela veut dire que Ouigo devrait payer moins de 36800€. On va quand même pas nous faire croire que c'est trop cher venant de SNCF/Ouigo!
Je pense qu'il y a quelque chose derrière qui me fait penser que la SNCF tente quelque chose sans trop investir, et que je pense que d'ici quelques années, ce sera l'ancien TGV qui reprendra le flambeau :)
C'est plutôt 100 euros par siège, un tissus anti tâche, au norme incendie c'est mini 25 euros le m. Il y a au moins 3m par siège, plus éventuellement la mousse à changer.
Si certaines voitures ont des prises c'est que la SNCF récupère du matériel qui avait été donnée aux régions ou qui était passé en Lunéa et donc rénové. Mais dans tous les cas ces voitures restent les plus confortable de tous le matériel ferroviaire actuel, silencieux, spacieux, confortable.
Les prix que tu indiques sont très sous estimés.
@@freewal C'est pour ça que j'ai mis "Admettons"
Super sympa le tee shirt des CFF 😁😁😁😁
Anyone have any information on the train with passenger and cargo wagons at 17:58.
Still the classic Corail interior, even the original seats. How pleasantly retro. If only the UK's Train Operating Companies had done the same with HSTs rather than installing new, and invariably less comfortable, seats.
And this modern fixation with power sockets; turn off the phone and the laptop for a while. Relax.
Great - why are so many people obsessed with speed? Plus, the seats look great - without the curse of modern bolt upright headrests.
Comparing this train to the local offerings where I'm from, I can honestly say I'd rather the Ouigo any time. At least the windows are clean, the seats are all functional and there's no horrible graffiti scrawled over everything. Last time I had to take a local train here, only one coach of fifteen was clean and functional. Others were painted, had cracked windows and seats missing because someone had lit them on fire, slashed the covers or left questionable stains on them.
Bonjour, j'ai un question, vous faites comment pour avoir une image de la composition de chaque compartiment sur un trajet ?
The early days of Flixtrain were like this - you can see this in the model train world - they didn't even have the bright green exterior with the black window band - they were makeshift looking collections of several different UIC cars. Not refurbished, no Wifi... the feeling was that of the mid 80s. Now they are all refurbished, have a nice wood-finish interior, all seats are (looking) new, WiFi and nice exterior. Maybe the SNCF didn't want to throw money away and is waiting for the services to be accepted and then will refurbish everything but I agree - you can't call a service "2nd class only" and then have some cars without AC and without power outlets. It's 2022. We all have devices we need to charge and if the trip is 4h instead of 2h, a lot of devices will drain to almost empty on the way. This is an absolute embarrassment. It would've been better of NO ONE had had a power outlet if you ask me instead of just SOME. Even if it had been an extra you'd have to pay for it would've been better. But this is just laughing in the customers' faces. It's disrespectful.
personally, i love those colour choices, looks really fun!! except for the interior...
nice video Thibaut but as has been mentioned Lyon and Nantes both already have cheap Ouigo TGV's isn't this more for people who live in the cities in between Paris and Lyon/Nantes where there is a distance to the nearest TGV station i'm lucky i live within 10kms from valence TGV so if i was going to Paris on the cheap i'd get a Ouigo tgv even when and if they bring back the Nice/Marseille to Paris the only time i'd catch it would be to go to Lyon or down to Avignon instead of catching the TER
I think the livery is not bad but not that good either, bright pink works better with mixing it with dark colours so it looks cool and more classy. For example, look up "Kessel Racing Iron dames Ferrari 488" - now that's incredible livery although on a race car (that raced at Le Mans 24h by the way) instead of train. But anyways, get the idea I guess.
Lack of power outlets in some coaches can be a bit of an annoyance especially on such long trip. Someone may once travel in a coach that has one and next trip don't worry about charging phone before trip assuming there will be one.. but ending up in a coach without power outlets.
It works well with white as well. Look up the buses that run in the Arnhem-Nijmegen (Netherlands) area from Breng.
@@OneKnifeYeHand Aye, those look pretty smart
Est-il possible d’emprunter ces trains entre paris et Versailles ou massy ou étampes par exemple (comme pour les TER) où est-ce interdit ? (Comme pour les TGV)
J'ai regardé sur le site de la SNCF c'est impossible de réserver entre ces gares
@@sam.g7278 C’est pas une question de réservation mais juste d’avoir le droit d’emprunter la ligne, car normalement le pass navigo fait office dans tous les trains (hors exception) dans les zones 1-5, pour ça qu’on peut emprunter un ter entre mantes et paris par exemple. Jusqu’à lors seul les TGV faisaient exception, les intercités ne l’étaient pas (il est par exemple possible d’emprunter un corail INTERCITÉ entre Gare de Lyon et Melun)
@@fugf1623 Étant intéressé par le sujet vu que je dois laisser passer les TGV qui font Massy ↔️ Versailles et les trains NOMAD qui font Montparnasse ↔️ Versailles...
De ce que j'ai compris (et de ce que j'avais lu sur un forum de la SNCF), on ne peut pas monter avec un pass Navigo dans un train à reservation obligatoire 😔 donc TGV, OUIGO, train NOMAD (je parle des Paris Montparnasse ↔️ Granville notamment, il est expressément indiqué sur les écrans et sites de la sncf qu'il est interdit de les emprunter pour faire Montparnasse ↔️ Versailles Chantiers)...
Ça fait sens... mais c'est dommage 😔
Il est également impossible d'acheter un billet TGV inOui entre Massy et Versailles par exemple, alors pourtant que certains TGV (Marseille ↔️ Le Havre) desservent ces 2 gares... 😕 😕 😕
@@fugf1623 De ce que j'ai compris, si le TER est sans réservation / placement libre, et que l'on peut valider (valideur à dispo sur le quai), alors c'est bon.
Pour avoir déjà pris un train NOMAD à Versailles Chantiers sans savoir, je me suis rendu compte que les trains arrivaient au hall 3 de Montparnasse, qui n'a pas de valideurs Navigo sur les quais, preuve qu'on ne peut pas les prendre avec un pass Navigo.
De la même manière que les TER ne peuvent pas être empruntés avec un ticket origine destination, vu que par exemple à Montparnasse on trouve sur les quais des TER des valideurs n'acceptant que les Navigo.
Ce train est à réservation obligatoire, comme tout les Ouigo.
What is the expected time from Paris to Lyon on the new service compared to TGV or the Italiarail competition? Seems like a bunch of added seats plying the route over the past six months, but €30 for a walk-up fare may be worth the extra travel time.
So they are reusing a 45 years old Bullet train Coaches for a Semi Hi Speed Train service at reduced speed
Perfect .
They still work even after 45 Years in service..
Fantastic
So it's basically an old Corail train hauled by an old BB7200 repainted in a ghastly color? What is the composition of the faster train?
Coaches look fantastic for the price you are paying. 👍
Bonjour,Merci pour la vidéo. Je me demandais: peut-on ouvrir les fenêtres dans ce train ? je vois des endroits faits pour mais ils sont tous fermés. Et avec les chaleurs en ce moment ce serait sympa d'avoir de l'air frais surtout si les clims sont pas toutes fonctionnelles^^