I haven't loved the 660s but this is why I've been practicing with Discord Pressurized Precision (if they Nerf Discord, im going to actually flip my shit)
I just found out I have a sick Trinary System in my vault, definitely giving that a go. Hammer Forged / Projection Fuse / Under Pressure / Tap the Trigger / Charge Time MW
Can't you just craft one of the craftable fusions? Surely at least one of them can compete with Cartesian for that role. Edit: Techeun Force from Last Wish can have this exact roll, but it's an adaptive frame. Good enough I'd say, not as fast firing but has better stats.
As a player that took a good 6 month break im glad he does this and appreciate it. So many little things change but it adds up so I was behind on fusions until I went back to this channel
It’s been great seeing everyone actually break down the numbers like 5 days later after the TWAB, once all the hot takes have settled and people can actually realize what Bungie’s doing. Along with CoolGuy’s video, maybe Bungie actually put some more thought into this than we realize.
Yeah, there is definitely a lot of thought here. I know a lot of perks are slipping away, but such a big change is going to require a lot of things being let go. We'll see how it plays out!
Great Info! Although I was hesitant about the recent announced changes after watching cool guy's and now your video I'm actually excited. Been on a 2 month hiatus but def getting the itch to hop back in.
@@Legoleflash I got smallbore/hammer forge rifling, projection fuse, killing wind and successful warm up. With a stability mw. I also got some pve God rolls as well. I did get a killing wind and high impact reserves with a charge time mw, but I love successful warm up too much. Those follow up shots are just insane. 🙂
Riiswalker, Macabre, Mercurial overreach and pressurized precision can all get it. Macabre can roll snap and discord. Riiswalker can have iron reach or opening shot and discord. I actually scrapped a Macabre that had snap discord and only kept one with opening shot. Kicking myself now, and i scrapped a bunch of pressurized precisions with discord if they didn't have high impact reserves. My Risswalker is a close to a god roll, small bore, light mag, discord, iron reach and a range masterwork. 87 range and 71 handling.
“Some of y’all might be playing some gambit” it’s me trinary system gang rise up. Fr it’ll be nice to see a bit of a shake up with fusions. The same things have been good for awhile, very excited to try adaptives again
As much as we (or rather other people) say not to horde weapons we might never use, this situation validates holding multiple weapons with different perk layouts just because the change is that drastic. I was struggling to clear out space without deleting a few fusions a few weeks ago. Now I'm trying to figure out how to build around getting special ammo more frequently than the average player using discord on the fusion while utilizing stuff like harmony on the primary to then swap right back to the fusion and repeat. Also, I bet some people are wishing they'd kept some of those Demolishionist rolls now...
Timelines can run firmly planted and elemental capacitor for an extremely stable burst, then with accelerated coils and charge time mw for a (587ms) charge time, not to mention it also has a high zoom (21zoom) which can make the recoil seem even less existent (sadly zoom doesn’t affect range anymore). So overall we can run double charge time and double stability perks with this weapon without needing to get a kill prior to activate any perks, I’d say this might become one of the most consistent fusions in pvp
Man, I get the need to shake up the sandbox, but it really deflates my drive to chase weapons now that most of the god rolls I got are now not what they once were. What makes it worse is when I know I had weapons that were suboptimal, like successful warmup fusions, that I dismantled because of vault space reasons.
As always, Thanks for the vids and excellent breakdown and suggestion of roles. Looks like a lot of fusion rifle focusing from vendors on the to do list.
9:34 as a casual PvP player, my Timeline’s Vertex has over 4,500 kills. All that before switching to Iterative Loop. So looking forward to incorporating that into my PvP Solar build.
If you've got 4500 PVP kills on a timeline's vertex then you're not a casual PVP player. Not hating, just saying, that's WAY more than a casual would have.
Techeun Force has been my go to for Trials ever since I saw one of your videos on it. I’m currently using your god roll with Under Pressure + High Impact and it feels very consistent. You think I should switch back to RF after this change? (Keep in mind the only thing I care about for Trials is consistency.)
I didn't even think of the possibility of reload perks were gonna get effected for specials (though I rarely saw anything other then overflow in regards to something involving picking up ammo). With that said though I might consider using fusions more often, you explained it very well and my main issue with specials has always been consistency, so if most fusions now run the exact same across the board it might be worth looking into
Looking forward to the update to use with Tesselation. Been loving it with Stasis (Strand, as well) being able to run synergistic mods for all 3 slots. Soon only needing to land 5 bolts, AND the +20% damage buff to the fusion rocket are going to make for some serious fun.
I’m glad I hord weird and wacky guns. I know it’s not going to be ideal but I have a under pressure and backup plan Cartesian coordinate. That thing is about to be wild. 30% charge time reduction on a rapid… oh lord
@@Legoleflash I have some more fusions that I will be trying hopefully iron banner comes around again so I can get a discord pressurized precision and successful warmup wizened rebuke. I have a wizened that I like a lot with under pressure and vorpal but the extra speed would be nice
Rain of Fire with Vex Mythoclast + Scatter Signal is gonna be my go to for a good while now. Speaking of, do you know if Vex Mythoclast also gets the base +20% damage boost from the Fusion Rifle changes? Or would it be the +14% Crit Damage from Auto Rifles?
Just found your channel and as a fusion lover this is heaven, been trying to replace my erentil since it got sunset, currently running the epicurian from your video and liking it but havent been able to get a good glaciocasm. Anyways keep up the awesome content.
Well if the ammo is loaded like it currently is in checkmate it doesn’t automatically get reloaded it goes in reserve slot first. So technically you can still proc kill clip if you don’t constantly reload your special weapons
Hmm, I guess they changed something, because I show a clip in this video where you can see my bar filling up, and the ammo already auto loaded into the mag when I swap to it. Wonder if it changed or I'm doing something different
Good thing I saved my Plug One.1 Adept with Under pressure and backup plan! Also has extended barrel and particle repeater and stability masterwork, its a beast.
I have finally become a fusion enjoyer after over a year of watching Lego's videos. Just acquired the Techeun pattern, and I'm unsure exactly what to craft. For sure UP and I'm thinking RF? Also debating on small bore over full bore, as I feel like I often accumulate a lot of ammo more often now with ammo changes, and won't be getting UP effects all the time. Maybe extended or hammer forged as well. And of course range vs. charge-time masterwork, hmm. Any advice? I'm on mkb.
Legoleflash hi I have a question what is better in ur opinion on fusion firmly planted or under pressure thanks And what is the best fusion archetype now in your opinion
Today I learned: not only is bungie with the damage changes reverting the much-needed buff to 600rpm auto rifles' TTK forgiveness compared to other archetypes, but if i ever get my long-desired reprised gnawing hunger with an origin perk, its origin perk will - instead of being one of the best pvp origin perks in the game (which is basically useless in pve) - be ENTIRELY worthless in pvp! Honestly that special ammo perk pickup problem is super easy to fix. Just make the addition of ammo to your weapon from the transmat count as 'picking up' ammo bricks for those perks. Yes, it does not fix it for reload-based perks, however it does for picking them up off the ground like overflow.
Hey Lego! I have a adept exiles curse with backup plan and QuickDraw but it only reaches 73 max range. Is it good enough to use against other insane fusions?
Guess I’ve never really given it a try but heck yeah! I’ve also been saving a tempered dynamo with HIP + BUP lol can’t really use in trials but should be fun in comp or the crucible
@@Legoleflash what about the epicurean, I used to run range finder before the nerf to rangefinder. But that has backup plan and quickdraw. edit just got to the part where you talk about that gun
Hey Legol.. trying to figure out what fusion I should use.. rn I’m stuck between Techeun and Midhas reckoning since they both Arc for my Mask of bakris build.. which would you recommend atm & what perks? Or iterative loop
@@Legoleflash and im pretty sure if you already have ammo loaded in it wont just go into the magazine i might be wrong but im pretty sure it doesnt from when i played checkmate
Under p + high imp. for sure for me, but for others it could be different. I just feel that kickstart hinders my playstyle too much, and it won't make a difference in bolts to one burst on this archetype either.
Right on time, Banshee has sold two PvP godroll Timelines' Vertices in the past two weeks. I've been trying them out and holy shit, they're GOOD now. Like really good.
Aw man, I just realized my Killing Tally/Overflow Appetance build is dead because I have no bricks to pick up and can't get more special with trace rifle kills...
I feel like this video covered it pretty well for Range, Zoom, Aim Assist, and damage. th-cam.com/video/vqB-YeHQoeA/w-d-xo.html Was there something more specific in there you'd like to see?
@@Legoleflash Ahh I see it, we do have a falloff distance spreadsheet from dev notes shown in that video. Will every frame have significant difference in 1-burst kill distance and general "feeling" after the sandbox change?
Even after all of this, I still wouldn't go around deleting your old fusion rifles if they have what you consider to be good PvP rolls even if they have something that will be irrelevant after this change to the sandbox for the simple reason of...we don't know how long that sandbox will be exactly like that; maybe they make adjustments to fusions a month later, or 3 months later, or even 6 months later. Bungie can change things any time they want and I'd hold on to anything you might consider good even if you think this change will make it irrelevant because it's only 1 change away from being totally relevant again if Bungie decides so.
I know its too niche to put in the main video. But how do these changes effect horizontal aggressive bursts (coriolis force)? Just like bolt to kill changes. Its strange with the charge time of a adaptive, with higher damage than a precision, but not as much as an actual high impact
I actually checked it before hand to be sure… it doesn’t change anything for them 😩 if the buff was like 10% it could have made a big difference, but aggressive sneed too much help
used to with Jolt, but not anymore. All of those will do the same damage no matter which weapon applied it. Unfortunately. I thought it was interesting when Voltshot did a little more depending on the weapon you used.
@@Legoleflash it’s actually my only PvP fusion rifle. I have two PvE fusion rifles, the Eremite and a Cartesian Coordinate, and eventually I’ll get a Scatter Signal.
Looking forward to your 'equipment only' video. If I am reading it right, surplus will no longer be a viable option, or, if your abilities are just not accessible but still there, it will be a god tier perk, especially as Golden Tricorn will lose value. In fact, any ability based perk is gone.
That really sucks about overflow. Overflow is one of my favorite perks even in PvP but this change really sucks but maybe bungo will find a work around. Also why does no one ever talk about the moon fusion rifle Dream Breaker?
Mainly because it's just a worse version of Trinary System and Techeun Force. Stats wise it just doesn't live up, I think it feels okay now though, just not the best.
Nah, wouldn’t change bolts, Harmony is only 20%. You need at least 24% I guess you could stack harmonny and two surge mods, but I think the other perks are more worth your time in that column
@@Legoleflash one of my fav guns, the sauce was always goated. will still give it a go after the changes and see how it goes. still have telesto fo the funny long range kills!
Man I was ready to like this as soon as I saw the thumbnail 😊, my Techeun has 1087 kills on it for a casual pvp player. I'll continue to use that bad baby with Corkscrew, Projection fuse, HIR, UP and Range masterwork.
ooooo yeah! Had to put Techeun on full display! It's funny, because this was originally going to be an updated Techeun crafting guide, but... didn't really make sense with everything changing.
5% is 5%, regardless of crit damage. The other weapons are staying in line with their crit damage, but not with their body shot damage, this is 20% of ALL fusion damage. So its' more than primaries are getting.
Ah it's just one I made throwing all the numbers together real quick. if it was more organized I'd share it, but I've got all the charts for download in my Discord (link in description)
@@chrismabe7575 also now have them in text format on reddit too: www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/1awi67z/massive_breakdown_of_how_the_pvp_update_fixes/
@@Legoleflash that is awesome. Just saved the post. I have to say, the amount of work that you put into these fusion breakdowns is very impressive. You are the best for fusion info, and it ain't even close.
![Solo Flawless Warlord's Ruin in LESS than 10 Minutes (9:45) [First Sub 10]](/img/n.gif)
What will you try first? Also, ALL resilience charts are available in the Discord under "crafting guides" (link in description).
I haven't loved the 660s but this is why I've been practicing with Discord Pressurized Precision (if they Nerf Discord, im going to actually flip my shit)
I'm bringing out the backup plan Tempered Dynamo to inflict maximum confusion with its silent charge.
@@deguy8303 ugh I am SO jealous of that
The only good fusion, Telesto
I just found out I have a sick Trinary System in my vault, definitely giving that a go.
Hammer Forged / Projection Fuse / Under Pressure / Tap the Trigger / Charge Time MW
Of course, right after Banshee finally sells that high impact reserves under pressure Cartesian Coordinate…
This is still a must have
Tbf, cartesian isn't the end of the world. Outside of the aim assist it's kind of meh.
It'll still be great for the extra damage. I'm still waiting for the all range, UP, HIR roll.
Can't you just craft one of the craftable fusions? Surely at least one of them can compete with Cartesian for that role.
Edit: Techeun Force from Last Wish can have this exact roll, but it's an adaptive frame. Good enough I'd say, not as fast firing but has better stats.
@@hashtunr4952there's no craftable energy slot rapid fires that can get UP/HIR
Flash making a new in depth explanation on how fusions actually work each time they get changed (they get changed each update)
They've been changing SO MUCH. Haha.
As a player that took a good 6 month break im glad he does this and appreciate it. So many little things change but it adds up so I was behind on fusions until I went back to this channel
It’s been great seeing everyone actually break down the numbers like 5 days later after the TWAB, once all the hot takes have settled and people can actually realize what Bungie’s doing. Along with CoolGuy’s video, maybe Bungie actually put some more thought into this than we realize.
Yeah, there is definitely a lot of thought here. I know a lot of perks are slipping away, but such a big change is going to require a lot of things being let go. We'll see how it plays out!
Great Info! Although I was hesitant about the recent announced changes after watching cool guy's and now your video I'm actually excited. Been on a 2 month hiatus but def getting the itch to hop back in.
Yeah I'm really excited. I hate picking up / earning special ammo, but I certainly understand the reasoning and I'm all for trying something fresh.
@@Legoleflash Agreed. Slug Shotguns are to me what fusions are to you I love them. But I am willing to adjust if it makes the game better overall.
Lego!!! Thanks man!!! So well explained, and edited to have visuals match the audio 🤌🏼🤌🏼
Appreciate it! Been working on matching more motion graphics to convey info, felt good on this one!
That means the glacioclasm i got with Killing wind and successful warm up just became more insane lol.
100%, it's going to be wild.
Thank god I didn’t scrap any of the rolls I got
@@RealityRogue I've always been a fan of risking High Impacts without High Impact Reserves, but it just got sooooo much better
Damn I was about to delete it today after trying last few days, gonna keep it then
@@Legoleflash I got smallbore/hammer forge rifling, projection fuse, killing wind and successful warm up. With a stability mw. I also got some pve God rolls as well. I did get a killing wind and high impact reserves with a charge time mw, but I love successful warm up too much. Those follow up shots are just insane. 🙂
Discord is gonna be an S tier perk on special weapons now, what a 180 in terms of the perk itself lol
Riiswalker, Macabre, Mercurial overreach and pressurized precision can all get it. Macabre can roll snap and discord. Riiswalker can have iron reach or opening shot and discord. I actually scrapped a Macabre that had snap discord and only kept one with opening shot. Kicking myself now, and i scrapped a bunch of pressurized precisions with discord if they didn't have high impact reserves. My Risswalker is a close to a god roll, small bore, light mag, discord, iron reach and a range masterwork. 87 range and 71 handling.
Been waiting for this video !!!!!! Appreciate everything you put out man. As someone just getting in to the PVP and fusions this info is very helpful.
“Some of y’all might be playing some gambit” it’s me trinary system gang rise up.
Fr it’ll be nice to see a bit of a shake up with fusions. The same things have been good for awhile, very excited to try adaptives again
Yeah I've still got about 10 Trinary Systems in the vault. Very excited for them.
Agreed
As much as we (or rather other people) say not to horde weapons we might never use, this situation validates holding multiple weapons with different perk layouts just because the change is that drastic. I was struggling to clear out space without deleting a few fusions a few weeks ago. Now I'm trying to figure out how to build around getting special ammo more frequently than the average player using discord on the fusion while utilizing stuff like harmony on the primary to then swap right back to the fusion and repeat. Also, I bet some people are wishing they'd kept some of those Demolishionist rolls now...
Timelines can run firmly planted and elemental capacitor for an extremely stable burst, then with accelerated coils and charge time mw for a (587ms) charge time, not to mention it also has a high zoom (21zoom) which can make the recoil seem even less existent (sadly zoom doesn’t affect range anymore). So overall we can run double charge time and double stability perks with this weapon without needing to get a kill prior to activate any perks, I’d say this might become one of the most consistent fusions in pvp
Yeah, there’s really nothing from stopping timelines’ running to the top here. Really curious to see how that one pans out
Gunsmith is selling a godroll timeline rn. Best scope, projection fuse (accelerated makes it a 6 bolt), firmly planted, elemental cap, and church MW.
Man, I get the need to shake up the sandbox, but it really deflates my drive to chase weapons now that most of the god rolls I got are now not what they once were. What makes it worse is when I know I had weapons that were suboptimal, like successful warmup fusions, that I dismantled because of vault space reasons.
As always, Thanks for the vids and excellent breakdown and suggestion of roles. Looks like a lot of fusion rifle focusing from vendors on the to do list.
9:34 as a casual PvP player, my Timeline’s Vertex has over 4,500 kills. All that before switching to Iterative Loop. So looking forward to incorporating that into my PvP Solar build.
If you've got 4500 PVP kills on a timeline's vertex then you're not a casual PVP player. Not hating, just saying, that's WAY more than a casual would have.
Techeun Force has been my go to for Trials ever since I saw one of your videos on it. I’m currently using your god roll with Under Pressure + High Impact and it feels very consistent. You think I should switch back to RF after this change? (Keep in mind the only thing I care about for Trials is consistency.)
I didn't even think of the possibility of reload perks were gonna get effected for specials (though I rarely saw anything other then overflow in regards to something involving picking up ammo). With that said though I might consider using fusions more often, you explained it very well and my main issue with specials has always been consistency, so if most fusions now run the exact same across the board it might be worth looking into
yeah i think you'll find them a lot more reliable come next month!
So hyped for this new take on PvP, it’s been so long since I’ve actually been interested in PvP in this game.
I still have under pressure + backup plan on a Plug One adept.
Jealous! That’s great!
Looking forward to the update to use with Tesselation. Been loving it with Stasis (Strand, as well) being able to run synergistic mods for all 3 slots. Soon only needing to land 5 bolts, AND the +20% damage buff to the fusion rocket are going to make for some serious fun.
yes! Meant to mention Tessellation!
babe wake up, King of Fusions uploaded!
I just happen to have a trinary with under pressure + ttt/ hir. It also was max range sans the masterowrk thats stability
Dang! Going to be a good time for you!
I’m glad I hord weird and wacky guns. I know it’s not going to be ideal but I have a under pressure and backup plan Cartesian coordinate. That thing is about to be wild. 30% charge time reduction on a rapid… oh lord
It'll be tough to land all the bolts, but who knows! Maybe you'll love it!
@@Legoleflash I have some more fusions that I will be trying hopefully iron banner comes around again so I can get a discord pressurized precision and successful warmup wizened rebuke. I have a wizened that I like a lot with under pressure and vorpal but the extra speed would be nice
Rain of Fire with Vex Mythoclast + Scatter Signal is gonna be my go to for a good while now. Speaking of, do you know if Vex Mythoclast also gets the base +20% damage boost from the Fusion Rifle changes? Or would it be the +14% Crit Damage from Auto Rifles?
Would definitely be the auto rifle change
lol. What would common sense say?
I'm pretty sure they mentioned it individually getting tuned recently. So won't really fit into either category.
Ive been saving a plug one with quickdraw, backup plan. .hopefully itll be really good now. .
omg. jealous of plug one backup plans!
Just found your channel and as a fusion lover this is heaven, been trying to replace my erentil since it got sunset, currently running the epicurian from your video and liking it but havent been able to get a good glaciocasm. Anyways keep up the awesome content.
All the deleted burdens will forever haunt me 😢
Ahhh! No!
Im wondering about the impact on Telesto and Bastion. They are not that good anymore.
Yeah Bastion might actually improve a bit with this, need to look at the numbers
Well if the ammo is loaded like it currently is in checkmate it doesn’t automatically get reloaded it goes in reserve slot first. So technically you can still proc kill clip if you don’t constantly reload your special weapons
Hmm, I guess they changed something, because I show a clip in this video where you can see my bar filling up, and the ammo already auto loaded into the mag when I swap to it. Wonder if it changed or I'm doing something different
@@Legoleflash when I did check mate trials recently the ammo wasn’t auto reloaded for me at least. Idk but it’s worth checking again to make sure
Either way I appreciate your work for the community as a fellow fusion player myself. This is top notch content and you deserve more recognition
Heard you loud and clear with ammo changed it is now time to run solar warlock with rain of fire, vex, and rapid fusion of any choice.
Good thing I saved my Plug One.1 Adept with Under pressure and backup plan! Also has extended barrel and particle repeater and stability masterwork, its a beast.
I have finally become a fusion enjoyer after over a year of watching Lego's videos. Just acquired the Techeun pattern, and I'm unsure exactly what to craft. For sure UP and I'm thinking RF? Also debating on small bore over full bore, as I feel like I often accumulate a lot of ammo more often now with ammo changes, and won't be getting UP effects all the time. Maybe extended or hammer forged as well. And of course range vs. charge-time masterwork, hmm. Any advice? I'm on mkb.
Successful warmup is the best perk for a fusion since old school backup plan. It’s nasty once you get that first kill.
i'm so pissed i deleted that hollow words two months ago - felt really great to me, but didn't one burst too often
OOOOF! Yeah that one hurts!
craft a likely suspect and don't worry about the hollowwords delete lol
@@MarkvTYWK likely suspect is nothing like a precision frame 😅 not NEAR the range
Legoleflash hi I have a question what is better in ur opinion on fusion firmly planted or under pressure thanks
And what is the best fusion archetype now in your opinion
Yes my plug one with backup plan could finally be good😊
Oh dang you have one?! Lucky!
Today I learned: not only is bungie with the damage changes reverting the much-needed buff to 600rpm auto rifles' TTK forgiveness compared to other archetypes, but if i ever get my long-desired reprised gnawing hunger with an origin perk, its origin perk will - instead of being one of the best pvp origin perks in the game (which is basically useless in pve) - be ENTIRELY worthless in pvp!
Honestly that special ammo perk pickup problem is super easy to fix. Just make the addition of ammo to your weapon from the transmat count as 'picking up' ammo bricks for those perks. Yes, it does not fix it for reload-based perks, however it does for picking them up off the ground like overflow.
Hey Lego! I have a adept exiles curse with backup plan and QuickDraw but it only reaches 73 max range. Is it good enough to use against other insane fusions?
7:00 What about the rampage/Kill Clip Techeun Force sitting in my vault?
I'd delete it. 😅 Haha, you've got Kill Clip / Golden Tricorn now which is even better.
Max range disruption + under pressure Hollow words is still the goat.
I might use my other max range roll with backup plan and killing wind now lol.
Yeah I am most definitely going to be playing around with it, (and grinding for a good Main Ingredient with it)
So my wizened rebuke with under pressure + back up plan is now viable?
always was
Always has been! It'll be a 4 bolt today or in the new update. I love BUP on High Impacts.
Guess I’ve never really given it a try but heck yeah! I’ve also been saving a tempered dynamo with HIP + BUP lol can’t really use in trials but should be fun in comp or the crucible
I have backup plan quickdraw on trinary system if thats good?
not really, adaptives need all 7 bolts with backup plan and that is ROUGH
@@Legoleflash what about the epicurean, I used to run range finder before the nerf to rangefinder. But that has backup plan and quickdraw. edit just got to the part where you talk about that gun
I literally deleted my 4k kill Cartesean with micro, LQ/Projection Fuse/ UP + HIR and a range mw.
Idk if it got better or worse.
Have a quickdraw, backup plan hollow words I'll need to try
whatcha think the godroll main ingredient will be now? probably backup plan/ underpressure w/ max range im assuming?
THANK THE ALMIGHTY FOR YOU - thanks for doing the math my guy- as a fusion main; I didnt wanna break out excel.
I haven't played Destiny all week, but I sure did a lot of Destiny math! 😅
Good thing its double Gambit Rank this week! Great Video Lego Stuff to look forward to
Excellent video! My man sending me out hunting for loot again ha!
Ha! Thank you! And right there with ya. Need that BUP Main Ingredient
Hey Legol.. trying to figure out what fusion I should use.. rn I’m stuck between Techeun and Midhas reckoning since they both Arc for my Mask of bakris build.. which would you recommend atm & what perks? Or iterative loop
So burden of guilt with accelerated coils and high impact reserves can 5 burst
If you can manage to get enouh ammo it should still allow you to reload your fusions for perks like that
Oh right, you’d have to have enough to go in reserve. Interesting, that’s a lot of waiting on your special
@@Legoleflash and im pretty sure if you already have ammo loaded in it wont just go into the magazine i might be wrong but im pretty sure it doesnt from when i played checkmate
What about fragile focus on glacio with under pressure?
So I checked my vault how good is a Cartesian with under pressure and no back up plans and liquid coils ?
My Shot Swap & Eye of the Storm Glacioclasm bout to go crazy
Excited to try my trinary with under pressure and tap the trigger. When does the sandbox go live?
March 5th! I'm right there with ya!
Thank you for all you do!
My max range burden of guilt has been waiting for for this
max range killing wind successful warmup burden??? ohhhhhhhhhh shoooooot it's going to be good
midhas and iterative are so back lets gooo
do glaives get any substantial changes with the 5% damage increase or no?
Il just run iterative loop now though
haha, that works.
Dude always has me searching my inventory in DIM after every vid. Thanks brother😂
Me too! I'm so bummed I didn't have a backup plan plug one, because you can't get it anymore!
@@Legoleflashdeleted mine in a recent sweep.
@@cutsdeep noooo. I did the same thing with a plug one I would have loved to have now
I have a backup plan under pressure with 100 range stat on a plug 1 adept that I need to try out
My goodness
@@Legoleflash if you want i can have you try it out too, it already feels amazing
@@evasiveupgrade thanks! That's okay though, I usually don't go in too deep on weapons that aren't obtainable anymore, but I'm still jealous ;)
@@Legoleflash it's unobtainable? That I did not know
@@evasiveupgrade you can get plug one, but backup plan is not an option in the perk pool anymore. you truly have a gem!
What du you think will be/ is the better dreambraker roll?
Slide + kick
Ore
Under p + high imp.
Under p + high imp. for sure for me, but for others it could be different. I just feel that kickstart hinders my playstyle too much, and it won't make a difference in bolts to one burst on this archetype either.
@@Legoleflash Thank you! I thougt the Same but wasnt sure bec. the other Combi is very strong too but you Always need to Slide for the benefits..
Right on time, Banshee has sold two PvP godroll Timelines' Vertices in the past two weeks. I've been trying them out and holy shit, they're GOOD now. Like really good.
When is this sandbox adjustment kicking in? Final Shape or before?
Aw man, I just realized my Killing Tally/Overflow Appetance build is dead because I have no bricks to pick up and can't get more special with trace rifle kills...
yeah that totally destroyed all the trace rifle goodness with that, but traces did get a good buff and I'm curious where they will end up
fall-off distance is another topic worth covering but it's quite ambiguous. hope we can get it discussed in a future video.
I feel like this video covered it pretty well for Range, Zoom, Aim Assist, and damage. th-cam.com/video/vqB-YeHQoeA/w-d-xo.html
Was there something more specific in there you'd like to see?
@@Legoleflash Ahh I see it, we do have a falloff distance spreadsheet from dev notes shown in that video. Will every frame have significant difference in 1-burst kill distance and general "feeling" after the sandbox change?
I know this is left field but I'm curious to know how Delicate Tomb and Bastion will do in the new sandbox
Unfortunately Delicate Tomb suffers from other problems with the way it distributes damage, but Bastion could see some play now.
@@Legoleflash Challenge accepted lol
@@J.Starkweather haha! Feel free to report back!
Even after all of this, I still wouldn't go around deleting your old fusion rifles if they have what you consider to be good PvP rolls even if they have something that will be irrelevant after this change to the sandbox for the simple reason of...we don't know how long that sandbox will be exactly like that; maybe they make adjustments to fusions a month later, or 3 months later, or even 6 months later. Bungie can change things any time they want and I'd hold on to anything you might consider good even if you think this change will make it irrelevant because it's only 1 change away from being totally relevant again if Bungie decides so.
Ive got a max max max range main ingredient, think itll do sumn?
I know its too niche to put in the main video. But how do these changes effect horizontal aggressive bursts (coriolis force)?
Just like bolt to kill changes. Its strange with the charge time of a adaptive, with higher damage than a precision, but not as much as an actual high impact
I actually checked it before hand to be sure… it doesn’t change anything for them 😩 if the buff was like 10% it could have made a big difference, but aggressive sneed too much help
Thank you, as always! 👍
I got you!
im gonna need at least a 4 hour video to recap after update
LOL what's bad is I actually could probably talk that long
Question... radiant i get, but do fusions have major damage interactions with debuffs like volitile, unravel and jolt?
used to with Jolt, but not anymore. All of those will do the same damage no matter which weapon applied it. Unfortunately. I thought it was interesting when Voltshot did a little more depending on the weapon you used.
Nice. Good looking out
I’ve always liked my successful warmup, heating up glacioclasm, but now knowing it’s better with the nerf to high impact reserves makes it nicer
I'm right there with ya. Was already my fav version, and now it's even better.
@@Legoleflash it’s actually my only PvP fusion rifle. I have two PvE fusion rifles, the Eremite and a Cartesian Coordinate, and eventually I’ll get a Scatter Signal.
Love your videos, you're a wealth of knowledge
Thank ya! Glad to be here!
I used to love backup plan and throwing it on my epicurean was the first thing I thought of...
I’m pretty excited for that one specifically
What’s your recommended crafted Epicurean now with BUP on it?
Looking forward to your 'equipment only' video. If I am reading it right, surplus will no longer be a viable option, or, if your abilities are just not accessible but still there, it will be a god tier perk, especially as Golden Tricorn will lose value. In fact, any ability based perk is gone.
And some ability based perks are huge buffs! Like Pugilist and Demo giving 20% energy on special kills!
@@Legoleflash and how far down will it go? Destabilizing rounds? Ignition? Well rounded is trashed as well
That really sucks about overflow. Overflow is one of my favorite perks even in PvP but this change really sucks but maybe bungo will find a work around.
Also why does no one ever talk about the moon fusion rifle Dream Breaker?
Mainly because it's just a worse version of Trinary System and Techeun Force. Stats wise it just doesn't live up, I think it feels okay now though, just not the best.
@@LegoleflashMakes sense. I actually went and rewatched that part of your long fusion rifle tier list video after commenting this.
@@x9x9x9x9x9 oh nice! Yeah, I"m definitely going to give it a go because my roll felt solid, but I don't expect it to outperform anything
I'm going to have to infuse my wizened rebuke with up+swu
ABSOLUTELY
How about harmony on something like burden of guilt?
Nah, wouldn’t change bolts, Harmony is only 20%. You need at least 24% I guess you could stack harmonny and two surge mods, but I think the other perks are more worth your time in that column
What about aggresive frames?
Unfortunately no change! I did look it up, but doesn’t help it at all :(
I've never used HIR on a fusion but if this pans out the way you predicting i never will need to
Haha yeah prettty much, although, if ya want to stretch range a tad bit, HIR is a good way to do it
of course after i deleted my perfect backup plan hollowed words.... i cry
Rip merciless, its still a solid gun. But its sad to see we wont be able to map someone with it o7
I know right?! I was really looking forward to mastering it
@@Legoleflash one of my fav guns, the sauce was always goated. will still give it a go after the changes and see how it goes.
still have telesto fo the funny long range kills!
What about telesto?
But more damage from HIR = longer kill range still though yeah? So... Still good?
Yup! Talk about it in the middle of the video, definitely still a good option for more range if you’re hitting your shots
Damn that’s crazy good vid
Hey thank ya!
My Trinary is back babyyyyyyy!
It's time!
Man I was ready to like this as soon as I saw the thumbnail 😊, my Techeun has 1087 kills on it for a casual pvp player. I'll continue to use that bad baby with Corkscrew, Projection fuse, HIR, UP and Range masterwork.
ooooo yeah! Had to put Techeun on full display! It's funny, because this was originally going to be an updated Techeun crafting guide, but... didn't really make sense with everything changing.
@@Legoleflash man keep pushing those FR vids out esp the workings of Techeun.. They are always appreciated, continue the great work buddy! 🙌
@@dhanpaulpersaud2671 Appreciate it!
Fusion rifles are actually my favorite secondary weapon in PVE and PVP.
I wonder what to run on deliverance fusion rifle now I'll be looking forward to your uploads the one and only fusion guy @Legoleflash 😂
Thank ya! Yeah, unfortunately I feel deliverance really needs that range, otherwise I’d say run all charge time perks
but didn't main ingredient get nerfed specifically:?
a while ago, but it still has more accuracy options than Epicurean, which is why I'm interested in BUP with it
Sure, it’s 5% more than health is getting increased, but fusions don’t get crit damage, so wouldn’t that make it a moot point anyway?
5% is 5%, regardless of crit damage. The other weapons are staying in line with their crit damage, but not with their body shot damage, this is 20% of ALL fusion damage. So its' more than primaries are getting.
But what about riptide!?
Is there a link to that spreadsheet you're using?
Ah it's just one I made throwing all the numbers together real quick. if it was more organized I'd share it, but I've got all the charts for download in my Discord (link in description)
@@Legoleflash Cool, thanks bro.
@@chrismabe7575 also now have them in text format on reddit too: www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/1awi67z/massive_breakdown_of_how_the_pvp_update_fixes/
@@Legoleflash that is awesome. Just saved the post. I have to say, the amount of work that you put into these fusion breakdowns is very impressive. You are the best for fusion info, and it ain't even close.
But... I finally got High Impact Reserves on Cartesian 😭
It'll still be good, there will just be a lot of other great stuff with it
The last wish fusion bout to be busted with rangefinder
That and Pressurized are going to feel real nice.
What about shields increasing?
Shields are not increasing, only player health is.
Likely Suspect might be better then, as no HIR held it back 🤔
Yeah everything should feel a tad better overall