DJI Fly App Huge Change - Most DJI Geo-Fencing Zones Now Gone
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ม.ค. 2024
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A huge change to how DJI Geo-fencing works, meaning most DJI drones can now fly in more places. DJI have removed most of their own Geo-fencing zones and replaced them with the basic No Fly Zones stipulated by the Aviation Authority for the country being flown in. This unlocks geo-fencing in many new areas for flyers in the UK and many EU countries
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Long overdue update to fix the old mess of mis-matched Geo-zones. Will the CAA rise up and get this implemented properly now?
This is what it is getting ready for network-enabled RID, when that is in play NATS will give the fly no fly command to your controller via the interwebs. You will have to be connected to the internet before you can fly when network RID comes in. The UK has not yet released their map to manufacturers, most of the EU have. Where does Dronescene get its aviation data from? I am interested because you suggest its better than AA.
Hi Ian, When you now use the app does is display failed to load dynamic geo safe data?
At last, some good news.
Your video has fair cheered me up Ian. 😁👍
Thank God! I went out twice recently (having never had need to check DJIs system) and found myself unable to start my drone. It had made me completely paranoid about flying up to an FRZ.
I’m SO pleased this is being stopped and I’ll never drive for an hour only to be stamped on again! 🎉👏❤️
This is very interesting, and a littler surprising, but in a good way for many of us. And I hope this rolls out to US eventually. Great information, and thanks for sharing.
Excellent video, Ian! Even though I live in the U.S., I always learn something new from your videos, even when they are focused on Europe. Your new studio is working out well!
Thanks for the good words! And sadly we seem to be following the US or the US will be following Europe. So what you see here may well be coming your way before too long anyway..... 👍🏻
Hi Ian. Same happened here in the states.
Very useful, Ian. Many thanks
Good information Ian
Thanks 👍
Another excellent presentation, much appreciated
Great news Ian! Thanks for sharing. I hope so much that they do the same in the US.
Happy new year Ian. Thanks for the update, I like your videos as they are very clear with the facts and not overly long.
Thanks 😀👍🏻👍🏻
BBC reports on drone swarms over public spaces in 3... 2...
Ian thanks for this all your videos are so clear and informative keep up the great work.
Thank you 👍🏻👍🏻
Very useful, thanks.
Thankyou Ian for this video. Most informative.
Great Video Ian, succinct and without the waffle. Others should take note.
Thank you :)
In the U.S. I use Air Control app that shows on a map where the FAA has airspace restrictions. Where I can directly request LAANC authorization.
I noticed the DJI Fly Safe had gaps in their map.
Great video. Geo zones have now reappeared on mine as of 10/1/24
I've just checked again; only the orange warning zones are on the flysafe map. so nothing has reappeared?
@@IaninLondonall the geo zones have reappeared for me
@@IaninLondon You were right. I was looking on the "fly spot map" they still appear here but not on the actual drone map. 👍
About time DJI stood up to locals or national restrictions. If you fly at or under (altitude) limits or close to airports' 9km zones, there shouldn't be issues.
Good , lets put the Legal air space authority back in charge of the Air space.
Thanks for the information. Ian must be the reason my mavvic 3 keeps putting up a message can not load dynamic safe 👍
Nice informative video Ian. I like your new studio. Happy New Year.
Cheers Bob! 🤠👍🏻
I fly around the Longton area near Preston and it was areal mess before . Walton only has the on active runway and it showed the extension for that disused runway
Thanks for this Ian - As usual brilliantly and succinctly delivered! Last summer I myself had an issue where I couldn't take off because DJI had geofenced an airfield that had been out of commission for over 7 years! I plan to fly there this year and will credit you in that vid - keep up the good work, you are an inspiration and a font of all knowledge!
Amok
Thank you 👍🏻👍🏻
Great video thank you
Good video Ian. Finland doesn't seem to be updated yet, so I'm waiting for that. Love the new studio set btw!
Cheers Stephen! Yep, Finland isn't on the list yet but probably coming soon... (but you've got plenty of space up there anyway!🤠). See you on the 6th March 👍🏻
Interesting. Maybe now DJI will let me fly in more Chiltern areas. Useful video thanks
Thanks Ian, great update
Let’s hope pilots remain sensible and do not abuse these increased freedoms
Hi Ian. Great update! You really get the sense things are rapidly changing in the drone world. Yours is an excellent reminder that ultimately it's the drone operator's responsibility to ensure they are not flying in restricted airspace. It remains to be seen how this information can be easily and (freely) made available in the future. Fingers crossed the CAA will make some sort of resource/App available in a clear and user friendly way. 🤣🤣🤣
Hopefully these changes will not result in an increase in drone incidents until some proper CAA approved info is made available. Use of any CAA resource (check map restrictions) would be great, as the CAA could mandate a check is made prior to any flight operation. We will see, Anyway, Cheers and Happy New Year! Suffolk Air Adventures.
Thanks In for the simple explanation very clear as normal from you. Maybe this means if your drone enters a DJI no fly zone it will keep flying. I understand some people lost control of their drones when they entered some DJI no fly zones when they are not restricted
This is both good and bad 🙈 Good that all the previously-inaccurate restrictions are now gone 🥳 Bad that anyone can now fly a DJI drone over previously restricted areas 😱 Will this see lots more reports of flights over prisons and incursions on airport FRZs we wonder? 🤔
I'm worried that someone can now buy a drone and fly it anywhere they like without even needing to check the CAA rules. They can now claim ignorance with "the app allowed me to fly there so it must be fine"
Yes, I'm hoping that the automatic update starts and we get meaningful, accurate restrictions instead of the mess we've been putting up with until now
@@IaninLondon 100% agree! The DJI zones have been terrible for years now, no meaningfully representation on actual FRZs at all.
Frauditors will be on this in a flash. Especially you know who...
Prisons are still shown on the DJI Fly App map, so no excuse for flying near one.
Thanks for the update.
Have you covered, or if not, considered covering SSSI. SSSI seem to cover most of the coastline in the south west. Not 100% sure what the legislation and etiquette is for flying in these sites.
SSSI are not necessarily a no fly zone, but you do need to be extra aware of animals, birds and any interference the drone may cause.
@@IaninLondon Thanks Ian, the info is appreciated. I was at Clevedon a few days ago on a beautiful morning with family. Had the drone with me and could have got some great footage. However, the thought of having a run-in with an irate local encouraged me to leave the drone in the car as I wasn’t 100% clear on the legislation. Another one I’m unsure of, is flying near National Trust sites. I understand this is not allowed, however what is the no fly radius? I was at Uffington White Horse recently and there is a permanent sign saying “police drones operating in the area. I’m sure this is merely to discourage leisure drone flying. It made me wonder how close to this site could I actually fly legally . Thanks again Ian, I love your work!
Video on this coming out later tonight... (Friday)
Interesting, thanks! I live a few miles outside Glasgow Airport FRZ. Yet DJI Fly app continually screams at me "150M ALTITUDE LIMIT" (sic!). For obvious reasons I ignore this as the real regs limit us to 120m, and in practice I'm normally far lower. However, the pointless warnings are really quite distracting, and probably mean I won't see or notice any *other* warnings in relation to my drone - warnings that might actually matter. So, removing these bogus restrictions almost certainly improves safety. Progress, of sorts!
Those warnings should be gone after you update.... 👍🏻👍🏻
Loving the new-look studio by the way! 🤩
Thanks! Should have shown Ted asleep at my feet 🐾🐾🤠
About effing time!!!!!
WOW!!!! Thanks Ian for sharing this important information! I always wondered if this mess would ever get rectified! I live in a DJI Restricted Zone here in the U.S. and I cannot take off in front of my own home with any of my DJI drones because of this! I pray that it comes to the U.S. as well! I can get FAA authorization to fly 100 feet but I have to go through that lengthy process with DJI whenever I want to fly their drones so I have a Nano Plus to fly here instead. I have always thought this is just horrible! I will pray and wait that the same will cross over to our shores! Thanks for sharing!
It's less work for DJI so I'm guessing it will head your way too soon...... 👍🏻👍🏻
@@IaninLondon Goodness! I sure hope so!
Good evening, Ian, another very interesting video. I live in the Czech Republic, and as it seems, the only options for flying will be in a meadow far from cities, people and other restrictions. In March I will be training in the new rules of flying a drone, so maybe we will know more.
I wish you all the best in the new year 2024 👍
I think we're a bit stuck in-between at the moment. Hoping you get to fly in more places soon. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Ian, really useful video. The UK really does need to get its act together with regards to info for drone pilots. As many have said this is good and bad. Honestly - without ensuring the replacement system was in effect before removing the GEO Zones I think it’s currently now worse. At least previously a complete newbie could be prevented from flying in some of the areas they shouldn’t. Now a new mini 2SE user can just launch their drone anywhere except an airport. My first drone was a mini 2 se and came with no information regarding any of the rules or regulations about flying (mini 3 and 4 have CAA leaflets in the box). From various Facebook groups it’s clear there are many people who have bought these drones and have no clue where they can and can’t fly, and risk bringing the whole hobby into even more disrepute.
Excellent points, well made. It feels very much like a backward step in the absence of any CAA or NATS information. There are thousands of new DJI drone owners every month in the UK and removing this information could potentially result in people unwittingly Fly'in in controlled airspace. Let's hope the vacuum of official information is filled by the CAA soon!
Hi Ian. A great update and an excellent reminder to people that it is their responsibility to ensure they are not flying in restricted airspace. The CAA really need to get on with producing a freel & simple App which shows airspace restrictions. They could mandate checking it prior to any drone flight operations. I know they can say it's peoples own responsibility to find out where they can fly safely but the CAA is there to encourage and assist safe flight operators so the need for them to get that information out is imperative. Anyway, Happy New Year and Cheers. 👍👍👍Suffolk Air Adventures.
Thanks fella. Yep, this can go either way... Hoping they get it right 👍🏻👍🏻
@@IaninLondon Indeed! Lol. Sorry you got two similar commitments. I wasn't sure the first one had been sent. 😁 It helps the algorithm I guess. 👍 Cheers.
A free and simple app 🤔 do you mean like drone assist. 🤦♂️ it’s already out there and tells you all the permanent and temporary flight restrictions. Have you had your head buried in the sand. Even coverdrone have their own rip off version of it.
@@SkysharkMediaAerialImagery No head not in the sand... I'm aware of (and have) Drone Assist and it is a great App. I think you have missed the point I was making. Drone Assist while referenced by the CAA on their website is not an 'official' or CAA approved App. Nor is it endorsed by them, and for good reason as they caveat on their site. ..'As a regulator, the CAA supports any measure to improve the safe use of drones but does not endorse individual products' The point being is that if there is some incorrect information about flight restrictions on Drone Assist (or any other App) the CAA won't care as the will say it is your responsibility as the drone operator to ensure safe flight operations. If an approved CAA app was available there would be the (not unreasonable) expectation that it was accurate. You as the drone operator can then have 100% confidence that you are flying in unrestricted airspace. If recorded, the checking of a CAA App could be used as evidence if challenged by the police or CAA. This would show you have done everything in your power to be flying in an area not covered by a restriction. For example, If I check NATs to see if there is a NOTAM in effect in advance of a planned flight, I know this is approved government information and therefore will correct. Not supplied by a private/commercial 3rd party App developer who will not accept (nor should they) any liability for incorrect supplied information. As the CAA say its up to the Operator to ensure a safe flight is conducted. I know it will upset a lot of people but I'm in favour of increased controls if it means both commercial and hobby flyers can continue to fly drones in a safe and responsible manner. Increased controls will hopefully weed out the idiots, criminals and auditors who just want to antagonise the authorities. I feel more controls/restrictions are inevitable anyway, so we may as well understand and accept it. I'm sorry if you feel I was promoting ignorance as an excuse for people to fly where ever they like, that certainly wasn't my intention. Cheers. Suffolk Air Adventures.
thanks , as was sick free up geozone that no longer in place in germany/British Army Camp no longer in use.
Let’s hope people still respect the laws
About time
I live in a FRZ and often get permission from the local ATC to fly within the FRZ, and have to get a DJI unlock. I discovered this yesterday evening as I tried to do a DJI GEO unlock but nothing was showing. My drone doesn't even take off indoors without an unlock. I noticed that there was a firmware update, so I did that. Then a flysafe update, so I did that as well. Tried to get an unlock this morning but nothing, so I went on the DJI forum where others were having the same trouble with unlocks. Got told by DJI that unlocks were no longer required. Turned my drone on and now I just have a simple tick box and confirmation button and my drone will take off. No more Unlocks to do. So I only have to get ATC permission now to fly locally.
Much better 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Wow that’s excellent news. I was frustrated with DJI’s own personal restrictions in places that were totally legal to fly according the CAA regs. My only concern is idiots or clueless newbies flying over crowded football stadiums. I best get this update in quickly then before someone changes their mind on this 😊
Hi Ian, thanks so much. Very interesting. Could you clarify whether this applies to a central geo fencing database managed by DJI, and thus perhaps also syncing with the Go 4 app? I’m a Mavic 2 Pro pilot, hence my question. Thanks again!
Hopefully it won't be too long before the CAA and others up date us with the correct infomation as the average fly won't bother or remember to check for restrictions. Thanks for the information as ever you are on the ball with the facts 👍👍
Thanks Karen . Yep, some interesting stuff ahead.... 👍🏻
Does this apply to Ireland please? I see restricted areas still where you just have to confirm with dji that it’s safe to fly? Thanks
Where I live it has always been a recommended zone but since the update it is now shown as enhanced warning zone.
This is where drone assist from altitude angel can be very handy, as if you click on the zone it will tell you precisely whether or not you should just be aware of the danger, or whether you absolutely cannot fly. And enhanced warning zone does not necessarily mean you cannot fly....
@@IaninLondon Hi Ian, thanks for your reply. On drone assist at the moment it shows the old version (which the area was recommended).
Hi Ian
Recently went to Croatia they have an app, AMC PORTAL, on which you get a live immediate permission to fly where you are, just may give you height restrictions etc.
( sort of an immediate notam)
Bryan
Barnstaple
A lot of european countries have similar. I got immediate permission from Malta's main airport for flying around 4 5Kms away but in a warning zone. Send the request via the RC remote (with wifi hotspot) and get a text back in a few seconds.... How it should be....
Thanks, Ian. I wonder if we will see changes here in the U.S. Conflicts between what DJI allows and what the FAA allows are many. Cheers from Wisconsin.
It seems every country is watching and following eachother..... You get Remote ID, then the EU dies, and soon the UK will..... So I imagine this will head your way soon..
Cheers and ATB. 👍🏻👍🏻
That is good
I applied today and got refused. When I looked on the map it was a yellow zone now. So why did they refuse me???
I have just checked on DJI Safe app website (via iPad) for UK and there were NO Flight Restriction Zones shown, NONE! Not even major airports like Gatwick 😮. Now are they going through a major software update or have they decided to stop doing this as it must be costing them. OR they have been asked to stop doing to justify the CAA introducing its new remote ID regime 🧐?
There were only airport zones yesterday when I used the website... Heathrow and Luton etc were there.... Maybe they're still updating...
@@IaninLondon gets even more intriguing. Still no airport restrictions areas in UK or Europe, but still visible for US, Canada and Australia. Wondering if this has to do with EASA changes which came into effect on 1/1 which has as affected UK Airspace?
Yep. Same here. I’ve posted them on X and got a generic response.
@@SkysharkMediaAerialImagery just received this info in an email,
We have an important update for all our customers using DJI drones.
DJI is updating its Geospatial Environment Online (GEO) system.
The update includes the latest UAS geographical zone data from national aviation authorities.
Hopefully this will all be corrected soon
leaving drone owners high and dry between a rock and a hard place
dji received alot of hostilities from the land of the Skydio even after trying all to accommodate. atleast they not sold out of the consumer space for a military contract like Skydio did.
I can see this causing problems with new fliers not knowing the rules
New flyers have the responsibility of educating themselves FIRST! That is why here the FAA requires everyone to take the TRUST exam which is free. No excuses for those who want to pretend to be ignorant.
Hi Ian : I notice on the vid . About crowds & Stadiums I know if crowds or assembly of people can’t fly your drone but what about if the stadium empty, no crowds. Than can you fly like an orbit around a stadium if no crowds . That if it safe to do so .. per Mavic Mini 4 pro Steve
Yes, it's all about crowds 👍🏻👍🏻
Hey Ian on the evening of Jan 9th, Dji has issued yet another Fly App update but it doesn't say what the update is all about except the usual bug fixing. Maybe you can work out what is what. I did run the update and doesn't seem to be any major changes. Over to you. Cheers.
I didn't even know anything about this, until this video Ian, i was flying today in a spot that i regularly fly, but today it came up with a warning on my controller that i was near a restricted zone! there has never been one there! sounds like the app is messed up?
Or it may be that as I said, the DJI Geo zones will often misaligned with the actual required zones. I'm hoping that it's now an accurate reflection of a genuine no-fly zone
This is absolute nuts. Just checked my local airport (Gatwick) and this is only in an “Enhanced Warning Zone” which only requires a DJI verified account to over-ride, utter madness, Gatwick (and every other FRZ in the country) should be in the Restricted Zones at the very least.
I guess they’ll be a lot more morons flying into Gatwick airspace soon then, if it’s so east to over-ride the restrictions - it’s almost as if DJI want their users to stir up shit and bring in tighter regulations.
Keep in mind it's unlikely there was ever a moron flying at Gatwick; it's universally agreed that the incident never had a real normal consumer drone. That said, you're spot on. Airports should be clearly marked FRZs and no flying...
How do i unlock a FRZ Then??
@IaninLondon What is going on in my area in Scarborough theirs a massive north Yorkshire Enhanced DJI Nofly zone it says 8 dji no fly zones, I am not going to travel 40 miles just to fly my little sub 250 gram plastic drone that's crazy, only want to take family follow-me video's on the beach this is showing on the UAV FORECAST app can you look into this please ?
Wonder if dji get rid of the the ce rules then
Great news, so simple now and can fly more places.
They removed nfz even for old drones like M600Pro?
Seems.
So I just took my mini2 out of the case for the first time in 6 months and went to unlock my local zone to find they were all missing and now I am here. Can't help but think this is a step backwards, I live within spitting distance of RAF Kenley. There is now nothing to stop me flying in an FRZ, I'm not going to because I'm not a dick, but there will be plenty who do either deliberately or because they're ignorant to the zoning restrictions. The possibility of a repeat of the "Gatwick" incident has now multiplied exponentially. When it happens the CAA won't hold back, just another inevitable nail in the coffin of this hobby in the UK.
You still see the airport restricted zones and it's widely accepted the Gatwick incident was not a rogue hobbyist flying his Mavic 2 or whatever....
Does this apply to Ireland please? I see restricted areas still where you just have to confirm with dji that it’s safe to fly? Thank you
From the DJI news release: The update will initially be introduced in countries that have implemented geographical maps that are compliant with existing technical standards[2]: Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Denmark, Germany, Ireland, France, Lithuania, Switzerland and the UK. Other countries under EASA jurisdiction will follow in due course.
@@IaninLondon interesting, I wonder how long! Thank you
What's to stop the CAA slapping a NFZ over ever urban area in the future ? If I've understood correctly , DJI have handed control of the geo zones to them ?
The CAA always had the control in the first place, but only based on laws passed, so no, they can't slap NFZs everywhere....
There was no warning where I live but I checked there now and there is a massive orange circle around where I live.
If you're
If a mini 2 is around 3 miles from an airport, just within the inside edge of an orange circle, what happens if unlock is requested and is flight legal?
Anyone having issues with a msg saying failed to load fly safe database dynamic data, have nothing at all on mine no NFZ restrictions either
R.I.D......🤗
Not true, I have updated Geo and for frist look, they are same like before in CZ. So not in EU.
Thanks Ian. The DJI release you showed was dated 2023 not 2024. Is that a mistake from DJI?
No, the app was updated Dec 23, but the fly safe data was changed this weekend 👍🏻
@@IaninLondon I was referring to the DJI press release you showed not the app. The date on the release was January last year.
@@JohnnyBouchier Yes, it's a typo by DJI, should have been 04/01/2024.
Ah yes, as said by Lambo; a typo; it should be 2024.
i took my drone to wigan athletic stadium yesterday, and although there was no geo fence present on the DJI website, when i got there, it wouldnt allow me to fly until i asked for permission. so for some reason, geo fencing is not appearing on the DJI website but is still there in physical form when you get to certain locations.
You may need to update the FlySafe database for the drone itself.....
@@IaninLondon I am a novice drone pilot. Only have 6 hrs of experience. How do I update the drone?
Do I check for a update when I set the drone up?
Yes; when you power up the drone and the remote, but don't start the motors, check for an update. Check out 1 min 48 on this video: th-cam.com/video/JPiV4RFpCqU/w-d-xo.html
@@IaninLondon thanks for your help
I am having problems unlocking my Geo Zone on Anglesey. Anybody else having an issue ??
There are no longer any restricted zones on Anglesey; I've just looked. Only Enhanced warning zones that do not need unlocking. (However these are mostly airfields, so you would need to be careful)
I don't understand the point of removing these geo zones until each individual country was ready to be able to offer its own up to date no fly zones, creating a smoth transition from DJI straight to the CAA for example.
its almost like they are deliberately leaving the door open for misuse to then crack down further citing irresponsible operators or even just inexperienced users.
but having seen how the UK handles drones we will still be waiting for map data in 2026
Possibly because users were being told not to rely on the DJI zone data at all due to its inaccuracies... So they probably thought what's the point ...
I am currently on dji fly app version 1.12.6 which is the latest according to my app store, but I have not got any difference in flght maps, they are all still the same old geofencing restrictions, any ideas?@@IaninLondon
Still the same for me
Methinks it's DJI knowing the future CAA regs on the way and thus implementing a cash grab before.... Yes I'm always sounding negative. I just look at the future of all things hobby drone wise.
DJI have realized that they should concentrate on making drones and not policing them by restrictions they get nothing in return for trying to accommodate restriction zones example the EU changes the rules to suit there pockets and uk C labels didn't come into affect
be flying 747 nexst week lol confusing lol
This is good news. There's been just two occasions in two years when I've been prevented from flying by a fictional DJI NFZ, but I overcame the problems by moving the TOLP by a few metres and imaging from a different viewpoint.
However, I know a few places where overflight will - at certain times of the day - endanger crowds or people who will be unable to avoid a falling drone, such as workers in glasshouses. So...
Q. Who should people with responsibility under the Occupiers' Liability Act now contact to ensure appropriate geofencing?
It's always the CAA I believe. But if Windsor Castle can get it, but Stonehenge can't, I'm unsure lesser mortals will.... :)
@@IaninLondon But Stonehenge is big enough and old enough to stand on its own - and you'd be pushed to damage it unless your FPV drone was packing an AT grenade. 😉
Just sell your DJI stuff...😆
Hang on in the uk u can fly 267 ft above a prison your saying 400m away from a prison
Nope. New law already passed and comes into effect 25 Jan... New video on this later today 👍🏻
what idiots DJI are. I ended up selling my 2 DJI drones as their no fly zones extended so far around the Bournemouth area which was also suddenly extended by the CAA for no apparent reason a few years ago.
Setup for a bust,and confiscation.