Thank u it says it all. I've been around d too many dying people lately and I. Tired of those who laughed at my grief. They did not k ow her... All of a sudden thirty years later I'm waking up crying
@@lindajohnson9282 darling i mourn my living daughter every day for 7 years its horrible 🤍🤍🤍 i love you! Im sorry you feel this way its so painful . I think its horrible we have love with nowhere to go! Its cruel, if there is a God. It seems the darker forces are stronger, and it seems I am deemed worthy of punishment so my grief remains, bc i am forced to be alone, since humans are heathens. Of course we want to be loved… and modern psychology or whatever says love yourself! But i do… i cant let go bc when i step into the world, i am met with bad people if i take it or let it go beyond interacting for a few moments with strangers or people who work at the stores. I give love of human interaction many times and can have some good interactions. But besides that, it is so lonely. I attempted to create a support group but got bad results and cancelled the first event which probably no one would have showed up for.
Im trying to be the change you want to see, and i feel like a ghost… besides one good online interaction with someone too far to come, i feel like a ghost to good or being allowed to really live life. I try. Its hard enough to want to try. But when i do. God why. Why do I try though. Am I supposed to continue to suffer and not try? I tried and i was met with a cruel world because i am too sensitive. I was too giving and now im ruined. I am cursed is what it feels like. I elevate my intentions when i desired revenge. I guess all along i should have pretended. I feel like I am alone in this life to suffer i try to change it but i am pursued sexually too aggressively or unwanted too soon even friends or weird jealousy like i cant win i cant step into the world and be met likeminded loving people who are also hurting i just want to die if i cant live
Tried volunteering no one ever got back, wanted to watch my friends son and let her go out w her boyfriend, anything… i try to give my love purely .. but i am sentenced to being alone. I try. But i am met with horrible results. It could be worse. It could also be better. I have been a humble person but i think i deserve more. I grieve not being able to join the world bc some force wont let me
Important work and progress on the issues to address the specific subset and complications within and treating those like myself who continue to struggle. Unfortunately there are some of us who are beyond treatment. Therefore must employ other options...
I really don't understand why so many people don't understand that prolonged grief is about persistent acute grief. This is actually super interesting to watch. Only thing I'd change about the diagnosis is the 6/12 months mark. Some losses like the loss of a child most definitely have a longer acute grief. This also doesn't really include when grief is delayed and then prolonged which also isn't rare. I find it a step in the right direction either way, as long as it's taught correctly to professionals that will deal with it. They should be able to tell apart grief from depression. Simultaneously I think more people should stop normalizing the symptoms of acute grief over a really long term, because they most definitely can lead to addiction or suicidality if someone doesn't seek help after a while of them persisting. People deserve to close the circle of permanent acute grief and integrate it and I think the therapy steps outlined in the video make a lot of sense for that. I would prefer if it was called a syndrome instead of a disorder though, but there are probably reasons for that not being the case.
I'm in Sydney Australia. In 2018 I lost my home due to a sale, although it had been my parents' home. In 2016 I lost my mum. In 2010 I lost my dad. I'm now in a Retirement village renting. My older and only sibling did not consider the terms of our mum's Will and forced me to sell. That is why I'm here. I have not been able to move on in four years. I'd say I would have PGD. How do I move on and obtain my own home. I have been diagnosed with PTSD in 2019.
Thank you for the talk. Also, please explain, what is the tapping noise!? Information would help if it can be prevented for future talks & made slightly less irritating here
Grief is not a disorder. It is a skill. Coming to terms with a death of a loved one? What does come to terms mean? Being able to function at a level prior to death? Is that so? If not, what does it mean? Disorder labeling of heartbrokenness (grief) means less heart (and more symptoms). Maybe the way our culture (and mental health professionals) responds, frames, makes assumptions and thinks about grief influences the symptoms being purported in this "disorder." This is the harm (even if unintended) is done by so called "experts" and mental health professionals.
@@Mr.Buttermaker "Imaginary Crimes", Lewis Angel, Amazon Many of our most serious psychological problems can be traced to a special form of guilt: the hidden guilt we feel toward our parents or other loved ones. Somewhere back in childhood we came to believe that by achieving independence, happiness, or success we would harm the ones we love. We judged ourselves guilty of imaginary crimes. And we have been punishing ourselves ever since. This self-punishment can take many forms. We may be plagued by feelings of anxiety or depression. 1. Overcoming: it is a type of imaginary crime that begins with the awareness of personal happiness, that is, the individual analyzes his happiness status and starts a comparison with his family and close people. Therefore, the unhappiness of others has its origin in the success of others. 2. Burden: part of the feeling that our very existence is a burden on our parents and therefore they (parents) are unhappy people. A feeling of guilt that accompanies you from the first years of life. 3. Stealing love: among the most common types of imaginary crimes, this one deserves special attention, as it is related to siblings and arises when unconsciously the person feels that the sibling does not share the same love from the parents, which only he (the person) receives all the attention. 3. Abandonment: unconscious idea that when we leave home to live alone, whether in another city, state or country, or even in our own neighborhood, we are abandoning the parents who raised us with love and affection. 4. Disloyalty: whenever there is a divergence of thoughts and ideas between friends and family, this type of imaginary crime arises, when we think that the difference in reasoning is a form of disloyalty. 5. Basic Evil: The person who feels this is led to believe that there is something wrong with himself, such as evil and selfishness. She feels repulsive and unworthy of receiving love from friends and family.
Yes grief is not a disorder atall. Its not a skill either, its a human component. Most humans are equiped to cope with unless its rape or some permanent damage that might be distressing even if not addressed. Mostly if its devaluing level where they cannot get themselves back. Its slightly hard to handle by a human by themselves. Pscharic help might not help there either. Its just a emotional getout or distraction try. However, humans have capacity to choose their remedy for any bad. But its not professional to try to prevent such by addressing the issues in the light of truth.
There is life worth and not worth having,some people just love more and are more sensitive and connected! If that is lost, they cannot live for body sustenance, life stops having meaning!
Why it was added? Well, like everything else _ people with money are in grief & go figure. Abuse Model of the cluster Bs will be next added to INSURANCE_ lets invest in medical insurance companies _ get unbelievably rich_ be a councellor _ jobs available like its leaves on trees.Invest in your future.
I can not deal with anymore grief over my dads death.its been over the. Years I feel his narc peso ality wanto g to pull me in with him...overbearing parents
8:51 >I'm against the DSM. And I'm against all of them. We don't have to pathologicalize grief! IT'S WRONG to tell another human being has been grieving the death of your mother for 12 months but you should be over it by now move on get a life. How cruel that is for the DSM and four people on that board to tell other people that they are grieving too long because 12 months is the cutoff time you're not supposed to cry after that you're supposed to move on your supposed to be able to go back to work and get a job and live your life. Excuse the F me but my mother died in February 2018 and she was the only person that I had in my life I'm the only child I have no other p. Not married. Lived with my mom. She died of a terminal illness and she wasn't diagnosed within stages of Alzheimer's dementia until two weeks before her death and you're telling me that my grief that was about 18 months it took me about 18 months to get back on track after my mom's death because it was horrible and she suffered for two years before her death and I suffered along with her you're telling me that I had prolonged grief disorder and it is a pathological thing. Well FU!
AGREED 100%. When my mum passed away suddenly from car accident aged 43, I took time off work due to the grief and was referred to my GP...straight away I was prescribed prozac. Lucky for me, I innately knew that i couldn't medicate the grief. Accepted the prescription as was required for work and insurance but never once took a single tablet....research in DSM and whole business of psychiatry kind of airs on most of the "disorders" being quack science and just part of big pharma to make money via psychiatric meds......not every sad event is a pathology.
I think it’s only a disorder if you think it’s a disorder. I think naming grief disorder is important because it is biologically different from clinical depression and therefore should not be treated the same way.
10:54 If grief never goes away... why does the DSM-5 authors need a pathological LABEL ON IT... something that happens naturally. I still miss my mother. And she suffered greatly. But it didn't take me 12 months to get over her desk I couldn't really move on until 18 months later. And somebody's going to call me f****** crazy because of that because of that DSM-5. I'm not crazy and I don't like the people that made the DSM-5 nor do I like the people that made the dsm-4 because they make everybody pathological
Rather questionable to call lengthy grief a disorder. Will it have a prescription pill to treat it? Will it be clinically assessed by teams of psychologists in hospitals, clinics and get its own code for medical billing? One year seems awfully short time to be done with grief. Sounds pretty normal to me, called “ adjustment to a new, more lonely and scary life”. I could see if grief surpasses 2 years, people seek out extra emotional support like a grief group, and or therapy to assist the process along if it gets stalled ( maybe depression / anxiety has occurred due to huge loss and that’s why people feel so paralyzed. Personality can have huge mitigating factors as can the degree of social support network one has. Solutions- oriented is useful, grief needs to be discussed more to help us all cope together as a species, to prepare for and bear great pain in life which is inevitable. For ex: how to build a good support system in life and how to maintain it. We just don’t talk about hard things well with one another bc we are all at the mercy of biology to a great extent. We are designed to attach, to love and to lose. Thanks for video:) Maybe some throat lozenges and hot tea will help ease the throat irritation. I get that when I talk a lot too.
Twinkle twinkle little star _ how about walk along side the client _ we the inflicted need a democratic therapy process _ cause i feel like a prisoner of narcissistic therapies
The loss the grief the coping are normal for normal situations for any human. If they cannot cope its good if they seek the relevent coping mechanism that they think is the best. But the weirdest is yet to unfold that pschiartry itself is not looking at that in the relevancy. The unknown that are going to hurt the normals in the net or religion or any social media or interaction. Children are already addicted to whats unknown to adults. Education to normal sites too are not capable of adhereing to disciplined learning rather opts dopamine addictiveness in children, because thats what they know. Thats not handlable or known ground for parents. These are stress factors, parents are not eqquipped to handle however educated as thats not experinced by them at that stages. Prevention there is not gettable with uneducated mass driven with money factor with no morality or pschological health knowledge.The unhandlable will make any self actualised human go to grief that no pscharist addresses. You speak of family and other griefs that all humans cross and most of them cope because of the relevencies there. Please give teachings on these that are not there and copings urgently to be addressed. World will thanklessly or some atleast one or two thankfully benefit.
Thank u it says it all. I've been around d too many dying people lately and I. Tired of those who laughed at my grief. They did not k ow her... All of a sudden thirty years later I'm waking up crying
This gives me hope! Thank you 🙏🏼
Grief is love with nowhere to go 😢
💓💓💓
@@arianamooon Thank you for giving my love somewhere to go ❤️❤️❤️
@@lindajohnson9282 darling i mourn my living daughter every day for 7 years its horrible 🤍🤍🤍 i love you! Im sorry you feel this way its so painful . I think its horrible we have love with nowhere to go! Its cruel, if there is a God. It seems the darker forces are stronger, and it seems I am deemed worthy of punishment so my grief remains, bc i am forced to be alone, since humans are heathens. Of course we want to be loved… and modern psychology or whatever says love yourself! But i do… i cant let go bc when i step into the world, i am met with bad people if i take it or let it go beyond interacting for a few moments with strangers or people who work at the stores. I give love of human interaction many times and can have some good interactions. But besides that, it is so lonely. I attempted to create a support group but got bad results and cancelled the first event which probably no one would have showed up for.
Im trying to be the change you want to see, and i feel like a ghost… besides one good online interaction with someone too far to come, i feel like a ghost to good or being allowed to really live life. I try. Its hard enough to want to try. But when i do. God why. Why do I try though. Am I supposed to continue to suffer and not try? I tried and i was met with a cruel world because i am too sensitive. I was too giving and now im ruined. I am cursed is what it feels like. I elevate my intentions when i desired revenge. I guess all along i should have pretended. I feel like I am alone in this life to suffer i try to change it but i am pursued sexually too aggressively or unwanted too soon even friends or weird jealousy like i cant win i cant step into the world and be met likeminded loving people who are also hurting i just want to die if i cant live
Tried volunteering no one ever got back, wanted to watch my friends son and let her go out w her boyfriend, anything… i try to give my love purely .. but i am sentenced to being alone. I try. But i am met with horrible results. It could be worse. It could also be better. I have been a humble person but i think i deserve more. I grieve not being able to join the world bc some force wont let me
Important work and progress on the issues to address the specific subset and complications within and treating those like myself who continue to struggle. Unfortunately there are some of us who are beyond treatment. Therefore must employ other options...
I really don't understand why so many people don't understand that prolonged grief is about persistent acute grief. This is actually super interesting to watch. Only thing I'd change about the diagnosis is the 6/12 months mark. Some losses like the loss of a child most definitely have a longer acute grief. This also doesn't really include when grief is delayed and then prolonged which also isn't rare. I find it a step in the right direction either way, as long as it's taught correctly to professionals that will deal with it. They should be able to tell apart grief from depression. Simultaneously I think more people should stop normalizing the symptoms of acute grief over a really long term, because they most definitely can lead to addiction or suicidality if someone doesn't seek help after a while of them persisting. People deserve to close the circle of permanent acute grief and integrate it and I think the therapy steps outlined in the video make a lot of sense for that. I would prefer if it was called a syndrome instead of a disorder though, but there are probably reasons for that not being the case.
Excellent video to help you understand PGD and treatment/s used.
I'm in Sydney Australia. In 2018
I lost my home due to a sale, although it had been my parents' home. In 2016 I lost my mum. In 2010 I lost my dad. I'm now in a Retirement village renting. My older and only sibling did not consider the terms of our mum's Will and forced me to sell. That is why I'm here. I have not been able to move on in four years. I'd say
I would have PGD. How do I move on and obtain my own home. I have been diagnosed with PTSD in 2019.
Thank you for the talk. Also, please explain, what is the tapping noise!? Information would help if it can be prevented for future talks & made slightly less irritating here
Grief is not a disorder. It is a skill. Coming to terms with a death of a loved one? What does come to terms mean? Being able to function at a level prior to death? Is that so? If not, what does it mean? Disorder labeling of heartbrokenness (grief) means less heart (and more symptoms). Maybe the way our culture (and mental health professionals) responds, frames, makes assumptions and thinks about grief influences the symptoms being purported in this "disorder." This is the harm (even if unintended) is done by so called "experts" and mental health professionals.
@@reginafarias My condolences. I can imagine the partnership between grief and guilt. What did you mean by, “learning about imaginary crimes?”
@@Mr.Buttermaker "Imaginary Crimes", Lewis Angel, Amazon
Many of our most serious psychological problems can be traced to a special form of guilt: the hidden guilt we feel toward our parents or other loved ones. Somewhere back in childhood we came to believe that by achieving independence, happiness, or success we would harm the ones we love. We judged ourselves guilty of imaginary crimes. And we have been punishing ourselves ever since. This self-punishment can take many forms. We may be plagued by feelings of anxiety or depression.
1. Overcoming: it is a type of imaginary crime that begins with the awareness of personal happiness, that is, the individual analyzes his happiness status and starts a comparison with his family and close people. Therefore, the unhappiness of others has its origin in the success of others.
2. Burden: part of the feeling that our very existence is a burden on our parents and therefore they (parents) are unhappy people. A feeling of guilt that accompanies you from the first years of life.
3. Stealing love: among the most common types of imaginary crimes, this one deserves special attention, as it is related to siblings and arises when unconsciously the person feels that the sibling does not share the same love from the parents, which only he (the person) receives all the attention.
3. Abandonment: unconscious idea that when we leave home to live alone, whether in another city, state or country, or even in our own neighborhood, we are abandoning the parents who raised us with love and affection.
4. Disloyalty: whenever there is a divergence of thoughts and ideas between friends and family, this type of imaginary crime arises, when we think that the difference in reasoning is a form of disloyalty.
5. Basic Evil: The person who feels this is led to believe that there is something wrong with himself, such as evil and selfishness. She feels repulsive and unworthy of receiving love from friends and family.
Yes grief is not a disorder atall. Its not a skill either, its a human component. Most humans are equiped to cope with unless its rape or some permanent damage that might be distressing even if not addressed. Mostly if its devaluing level where they cannot get themselves back. Its slightly hard to handle by a human by themselves. Pscharic help might not help there either. Its just a emotional getout or distraction try. However, humans have capacity to choose their remedy for any bad. But its not professional to try to prevent such by addressing the issues in the light of truth.
There is life worth and not worth having,some people just love more and are more sensitive and connected! If that is lost, they cannot live for body sustenance, life stops having meaning!
Every cradle is a grave
Why it was added? Well, like everything else _ people with money are in grief & go figure. Abuse Model of the cluster Bs will be next added to INSURANCE_ lets invest in medical insurance companies _ get unbelievably rich_ be a councellor _ jobs available like its leaves on trees.Invest in your future.
I can not deal with anymore grief over my dads death.its been over the. Years I feel his narc peso ality wanto g to pull me in with him...overbearing parents
8:51
>I'm against the DSM. And I'm against all of them. We don't have to pathologicalize grief!
IT'S WRONG to tell another human being has been grieving the death of your mother for 12 months but you should be over it by now move on get a life. How cruel that is for the DSM and four people on that board to tell other people that they are grieving too long because 12 months is the cutoff time you're not supposed to cry after that you're supposed to move on your supposed to be able to go back to work and get a job and live your life. Excuse the F me but my mother died in February 2018 and she was the only person that I had in my life I'm the only child I have no other p. Not married. Lived with my mom. She died of a terminal illness and she wasn't diagnosed within stages of Alzheimer's dementia until two weeks before her death and you're telling me that my grief that was about 18 months it took me about 18 months to get back on track after my mom's death because it was horrible and she suffered for two years before her death and I suffered along with her you're telling me that I had prolonged grief disorder and it is a pathological thing.
Well FU!
AGREED 100%. When my mum passed away suddenly from car accident aged 43, I took time off work due to the grief and was referred to my GP...straight away I was prescribed prozac. Lucky for me, I innately knew that i couldn't medicate the grief. Accepted the prescription as was required for work and insurance but never once took a single tablet....research in DSM and whole business of psychiatry kind of airs on most of the "disorders" being quack science and just part of big pharma to make money via psychiatric meds......not every sad event is a pathology.
I think it’s only a disorder if you think it’s a disorder. I think naming grief disorder is important because it is biologically different from clinical depression and therefore should not be treated the same way.
10:54
If grief never goes away... why does the DSM-5 authors need a pathological LABEL ON IT... something that happens naturally.
I still miss my mother. And she suffered greatly. But it didn't take me 12 months to get over her desk I couldn't really move on until 18 months later. And somebody's going to call me f****** crazy because of that because of that DSM-5. I'm not crazy and I don't like the people that made the DSM-5 nor do I like the people that made the dsm-4 because they make everybody pathological
I was forced to care for my mentally ill parents _ makes u codependent care system
Prolonged grief disorder is just a synonym for depression, whoever came up with this term is just marketing his or her quack degree programs
Rather questionable to call lengthy grief a disorder. Will it have a prescription pill to treat it? Will it be clinically assessed by teams of psychologists in hospitals, clinics and get its own code for medical billing?
One year seems awfully short time to be done with grief. Sounds pretty normal to me, called “ adjustment to a new, more lonely and scary life”. I could see if grief surpasses 2 years, people seek out extra emotional support like a grief group, and or therapy to assist the process along if it gets stalled ( maybe depression / anxiety has occurred due to huge loss and that’s why people feel so paralyzed. Personality can have huge mitigating factors as can the degree of social support network one has. Solutions- oriented is useful, grief needs to be discussed more to help us all cope together as a species, to prepare for and bear great pain in life which is inevitable.
For ex: how to build a good support system in life and how to maintain it. We just don’t talk about hard things well with one another bc we are all at the mercy of biology to a great extent. We are designed to attach, to love and to lose.
Thanks for video:)
Maybe some throat lozenges and hot tea will help ease the throat irritation. I get that when I talk a lot too.
yes, that is the point of giving it a name and putting it into the DSM. You are outlining the consequential steps.
Twinkle twinkle little star _ how about walk along side the client _ we the inflicted need a democratic therapy process _ cause i feel like a prisoner of narcissistic therapies
The voice over,re sound quality disappointing.
Nothing enlightening here.
What a waste of medical /psychological research funding !
Drink some water lady, gees
The loss the grief the coping are normal for normal situations for any human. If they cannot cope its good if they seek the relevent coping mechanism that they think is the best. But the weirdest is yet to unfold that pschiartry itself is not looking at that in the relevancy. The unknown that are going to hurt the normals in the net or religion or any social media or interaction. Children are already addicted to whats unknown to adults. Education to normal sites too are not capable of adhereing to disciplined learning rather opts dopamine addictiveness in children, because thats what they know. Thats not handlable or known ground for parents. These are stress factors, parents are not eqquipped to handle however educated as thats not experinced by them at that stages. Prevention there is not gettable with uneducated mass driven with money factor with no morality or pschological health knowledge.The unhandlable will make any self actualised human go to grief that no pscharist addresses. You speak of family and other griefs that all humans cross and most of them cope because of the relevencies there. Please give teachings on these that are not there and copings urgently to be addressed. World will thanklessly or some atleast one or two thankfully benefit.
Grief is love with nowhere to go 😢