couldn't agree more! The only sad thing is that we don't have a real digidestin game. One digimon one human and just figuring out different 800 different ways to evolve them
I'm going to be doing Let's Plays of them, since I've cancelled my Crystal Travelogue and my Renegade Platinum, VoltWhite and VoltWhite 2 planned Role-Play Challenges and I didn't know what I wanted to do with Emerald anyway, so I figured Digimon Emerald it is then! And now we have Digimon Crystal... so I guess I'm doing that after all then... I was going to do Nova Red anyway, but I'm going to restart it, since I had an older version before and it would be easier!
The og Digimon show was too good to be true. All the boys (idk how old we were, maybe 8) gathered around after school.. it was AMAZING. Missing an episode was not an option. There were no sick days and of course.. every single one of the boys was connected to one of the main characters.
@@captainobvious8037 Yeah, the thing is that neither of them are good 😅 Pokemon has longer playability on it's main games but it is mainly based on luck, it has a fan made MMO called PokeMMO that did it better, still is time consuming but no luck involved 😅
As a digimon fan i just don’t think this was the best argument for them. That being said one reason digimon games are held back is they don’t really have a core game/gameplay to stick to the one i saw the most is three mons on your team with thousands of moves and mons to build your team (dusk and dawn, cyber sleuth). Digimon is too slow at releasing games to matter. I would put pokemon as comfort food vs digimon experimenting long cook meals. The hardest part of digimon is well the difficulty to get into everything, pokemon is one world, digimon has at over six different digital worlds all different with their own lore (anime series, games, and databook entries).
I can see that, and I definitely wish they released games faster. But I also feel like the speed at which Pokemon releases games is part of its own issue, as it never takes the time to truly innovate, just update its roster like a FIFA/Madden game.
@@ThatGuyRJChannel I kinda agree, and I feel like the whole national dex fiasco in Sword and Shield really exemplified the fast paced movement when releasing games too quickly.
Sadly its not only the game, the english translation of the anime was.. oh holy shit, a am happy with my local translation, after i watched it with subs in tortuga, i finally saw what good job they actually did. The english version? What a shitshow. Rewatch it with subs, holy that thing is deep for the actuall aimed audiance
His arguments are really arguments more than they just are bitter complaining. He had me within the anime series, but lost me when it came to the movies and games. Both Pokemon and Digimon movies are average ratings, but he used Digimon having SLIGHTLY better ratings as a winning argument against pokemon, which is a pretty weak argument. Then he goes on about the games, only to referrence Jaiden's video, where she brings up all of the community's complaints about the games, tries out a game herself and complains about it, and says, "I love the digimon! But I'm still battered and bruised. At least I gave it a try!" Even RJ says, "I may not pick up every Digimon game, but when I feel like it, I'll give one of them a try." Which again, is NOT a very compelling argument to say Digimon is better. The only compelling arguments he had were about the Anime. Even though his arguments about the animes were only about the very first seasons of both animes, which date back nearly 30 YEARS AGO, which shows a nostalgia argument, and again, is compelling for people with nostalgia, but in the grand scheme of both franchises, it still isn't that great of an argument, even if I may agree with him. I'm the kind of person who can look at things from a grand scheme and bigger picture, then break it down. Not focus on just something from almost 30 years ago. Lol. Even I only agree with his anime arguments because I have nostalgia. Lol. So I ain't even a credible person to be argue which is better. However, I can say: Pokemon has consistency with its gameplay, Digimon does not. Majority of Pokemon fans will come back to the franchise and play the new main series title of games. Digimon fans MAY "try" the new game that's released. And since he focused so heavily on movie ratings, I'd say Pokemon is the superior gaming franchise due to the consistent playerbase that keeps coming back and playing the games. So if we want to argue numbers make a franchise better than another, then Pokemon always wins. So yeah, his arguments are very lackluster and you can easily poke holes in them, which isn't great for credibility. But again, he seems quite bitter, so he should work on that. And like Jaiden said at the end of her video: Digimon fans, ya'll need therapy.
@@Jake38nine I find Jaiden's video kinda odd. For one, I'm pretty sure she basically figured out that she *should* start with Cyber Sleuth but didn't. Secondly, for a series that's over 2 decades old with multiple games... maybe as a Pokemon fan she doesn't quite get this but saying there is no general singular concensus on what's the best Digimon game and finding issue with it is like looking at footbal and going "why doesn't everyone just cheer who won the last 3 Super Bowls"? Granted even Pokemon's fandom have the Genwunners or the people who say the old games were better.
Let me kick down the door and yell, "SOMEONE forgot Pokémon Mystery Dungeon," before calmly putting the door back up and leaving. This is not an argument for either side (though I would argue that I prefer Pokémon designs over Digimon's). I just feel like that the PMD series is one of the more important Pokémon spin-offs.
Seems kinda unfair to include most of digimon's spin off and not pokemon though, I'm a Digimon fan and there are two main digimon series World and Story and they mostly don't change from a game to another (beside visuals). every Story game has the same scan to generate capture, and SMT combat, every World game has that V-pet inspiration (and plz don't look at the english titles the japanese are the right ones) That said Story Cybersleuth and its sequel are better than most Pokemon games imo.
@@reicherwallace6774 i playee digimon's dungeon crawlet games years before i heard of mystery dungeon and yeah.. i had a blast more with pokémon's personally
@@deezidibbs9796 As a hardcore digimon fan, that dungeon crawler was undercooked and too slow. I'd love to see a second attempt at it though. Just so long as they don't try to truamatize me with their level cap nonsense again.
@@reicherwallace6774 What game are you talking about ? I'm really curious, the closest to a mystery dungeon before Pokemon MD that I found is World 4 and it looks more like an ARPG. Not that Pokemon ever came up with the concept anyway the genre was born more that ten years before.
As a kid and even now I adored both. The anime of digimon especially the first 3 seasons was absolute fire. The Pokémon games and collecting adventure thing was out of this world though. Pokémon did so many more things more right that’s why it stayed relevant till today
Sorry but I think this comparison is so flawed on so many levels, and I'm on the digimon side... The Anime part is just the first season and about the movies its just some scores. And the games don't work either. If you say you ignore the spinoff games for pokemon, you have to do this for digimon. But whats the "main line game" for digimon? Digimon World 1-4? The other Digimon World series aka the pet raising sims? Digimon Story? The VPets? You praise digimon for bringing up variety, yet force a one sided rule to cut out variety from Pokemon. And nobody in their right mind would want such drastic changes to the games they love. While I agree that some features could spice up the main line pokemon games, we want a monster collecter with turn based strategic combat. Not a survival game with guns. Thats why we have spin offs. And to be serious, I don't think the Digimon devs have any idea what good gameplay is. The story is usually what carries these games. All story games have shit tunnel/maze levels with nothing that worth calling level design. The combat is as basic as FF1(element weaknesses, basic status effects like poison sleep...). Pokemon Red/Blue had deeper combat and they evolved it over years. Digimon games did not evolved. They sticked to the same issues or tried to do something new like survive. Again, great story, basic gameplay at best(this time with tactics ogre style). Even the pet raising games are lacking. Next Order reduces the variety compared to World 1. No minigames or puzzles. Just Beat X, get me Item Y or talk to Z. And in general, Pokemon also beats Digimon in overall worldbuilding. While the story is usually the strong point of digimon, every game or anime is seperated. Its like they sold the IP to different teams each time and everyone just did what came up their mind and besides the digimon themself there where no limits. Even the Adventure movies don't respect anything from the old anime. They take the characters and put them into a mostly disconnected story.
Wholeheartedly agree with "Its like they sold the IP to different teams each time and everyone just did what came up their mind and besides the digimon themself there where no limits." it reminds me of Gundam where there are Multiple series and spinoffs but not an overarching story-world like Pokemon. Sure, you can argue "They're different timelines and dimensions." but really? making an entire series of different world-building and characters WITH THE SAME IP? Pokemon is more consistent.
The person who made the video is to ignorent to reply he can't handle that Digimon is lesser than Pokemon so he heat on Pokemon to make Digimon look better, but that only make it look worse
This is like saying "Sonic is better than Pokemon because every single entry is a different game!" when one of the biggest problems with the franchise is that every single entry is a different game. So they have to spend more time setting up the new engines and stuff instead of polishing the game, itself. There's a reason why Pokemon games have a thriving competitive community and the Cyber Sleuth games just don't.
You are absolutely insane. The anime of Digimon mogs the entirety of the Pokemon series and it isn't even close. You aren't even mentioning Digimon Tamers at all. Which, alone, solos the entire Pokemon franchise in terms of writing and character development. The characters feel like real people, and actually grow and change. Takato's character development beats Ash's in every way possible. So does Taichi's, and the rest of the crew from the first three seasons of the Digimon anime. They all have their ups and downs, conflicts with each other, and relatable goals, and aspirations, instead of feeling like one note caricatures. The Pokemon kids don’t feel real, they feel like corporately created mascots that never grow or change and recycle the same plot beats over and over again. Do I even need to mention Ash “dying” for the fiftieth movie in a row to attempt to get the same emotional reaction as when it happened in the very first Pokemon movie? As for world-building, it's not even close. Digimon easily beats Pokemon in world-building. The Digimon lore has so many different histories, characters, factions, situations, cultures, religions, etc to make an interesting story out of. From off the top of my head, Digimon has: The Royal Knights, The Seven Demon Lords, Nightmare Soldiers, D-Brigade, Devas, Sovereigns, Bagra Army, Chaos Generals, Legend Arms, the Angelic Army, Crack Team, Olympos XII, I could go on and on. The Digimon can talk, have their own feelings, and can live entirely separate lives from their Tamers, enough to make their own groups. There's mountains of lore for the Digimon world that feel far more cohesive and narratively thought out than Pokemon's world-building. Pokemon, by comparison, is a completely boring, and perfect utopia. There's no danger anywhere, all the evil villains are cowardly and powerless, and outside of them; all there is in terms of conflict is simply misunderstandings or playful rivalries that don’t have any heat to them. We’re somehow supposed to suspend belief that these superpowered creatures that can destroy entire mountains aren’t wiping out people by the thousands the moment that someone steps outside of a city. But no, somehow this world survived, and thrived to the point of utopian idealism. Only recently in Pokemon Legends Arceus has this even been remotely close to addressed. The entire world thus feels empty and devoid of anything intriguing or interesting. GameFreak is deathly afraid of making a cohesive world for Pokemon because they are so risk averse and instead only make the same rushed, poorly made, and boring stories every four to five years. The fanbase can’t stand actual world-building either. The fans threw a massive fit over just simple legends that were in the GameFreak leaks that resemble real world mythology. On the anime side of things, it’s just as inconsistent. Ash’s Pikachu is on the level of elite four Pokemon by the ending of each series, only to be thrust back down to the level of a first born Pokemon again just so that Ash doesn’t cake walk the entire region. Digimon beats Pokemon narratively, world-building wise, and character design wise. I don’t know how this is even a debate.
@@mitchsorenstein630 Not every series needs a massive, overarching story that never ends. Pokemon’s story is only still going because of the massive amount of money Pokemon generates. The series doesn’t justify its length at all, nor does it justify not aging up Ash, or letting him change in any way. How is the series consistent when Ash’s Pikachu is on the level of the Elite Four Pokemon only to suddenly be struggling with the first gym in the next region? Final Fantasy is a massively popular series that changes up the world and characters in order to prevent it from becoming too stale.
from outsider who doesn't care about monster capture game Pokemon's monster design is easier to look at than Digimon design so judged by cover people would choose Pokemon more than Digimon
I prefer Digimon's art style, I prefer Pokemon's art direction. I like Digmon's preference towards fearsome, sleek, painful, scary. They emphasize a lot more that their monsters fight...but Pokemon's got more variety in it's monster shapes. It could stand to have more variety still, in my opinion. For a creature COLLECTOR it has too many bipeds, but there are still jellyfish, spiders, octopi, ants, coral, ice cream cones, sunfish, amoeba, disk fish, sauropods, sea horses, gasbags, sea stars, lamprey, cicada, leeches, oysters, hippos, whales, buffalo, crabs, camels, it's pretty good! Why are there so few aquatic or marine Digimon? If Pokemon has too many bipeds, then Digimon is drowning in them! And so many knock offs! I like dinosaurs and all but hey look, it's Agumon but black, and Agumon, but white, and Agumon with round nostrils, and Greymon, but black, and Greymon, but blue, and Metal Greymon with a gun instead of missiles, and Metal Greymon but blue, and Blue Metal Greymon with a tail knife! Enough already, where's the new sea monster? Seadramon, again? Not even Seadramon with a new helmet?
I agree with you, Pokemon is certainly easier on the eye, even some of the digimon designers tried to make them looked more simplified but they lost their charms that way. Marketting wise yes Pokemon does won in that field, but for creativity and originality Digimon definitely had the upper hand, because they are going for a very traditional “monster” fearsome ugly imperfect beasts designs. I like to describe them as perfectly imperfect.
@@Freezient Digimon has the trope of "Just add weapons to it", which isn't very creative when you continue to give every digimon a final digivolution with just weapons or guns attached to it. Pokemon has the creative variety because they don't rely upon one trope with every Pokemon and every Pokemon is unique. You kinda get tired of seeing animals and lizards with guns attached to them. It kinda just blends them altogether. Pokemon has like only 3 Pokemon I can think of that actually wield weapons: Blastoise, Zacian, and Sirfetch'd. But nearly every Digimon has a weapon or is mechanized by the final digivolution. Can't we just have a straight up beast of a digimon with no weapons involved? Like SaberLeomon? But by today's standards, that's probably "out of meta".
Fair enough, Gamewise i think pokemon wins in concistency, Digimon games (tho good) kinda change their formula every other year. However the digimon anime blows pokemon out of the water, a constant adventure that focuses on a pretty big cast that ( while doing the whole fun adventure with monster friends thing) also deal with tough kids subject matter , abandonment issues, death of loved ones, growing a hero complex that ends up hurting the people you are trying to protect. really great stuff & intersesting to revisit. Pokemon tho?.. i mean i love team rocket but oh my various collectable monster gods, hearing them do the motto, fail at capturing the mon of the day and/or Pikachu then "blasting off again" more times than i can count makes me want to blast myself off.+ factory resetting Ash & Pikachu betwean seasons instead of changing protags like the manga (new MC Liko looks neat tho) Anyway nice vid dude, good takes, keep it up
here’s a thing I’m a huge Digimon fan, I love every aspect of Digimon , whether it’s the design, the games, the manga/novel, or the anime but I’ll be honest here, I hugely disagree on your opinion that state Pokémon hasn’t improved or never changed over the years, all your focused aspects was on the battle mechanics, which is turn-base, yes but, don’t you forgot, Pokémon also improved their quality of life over the time ever since Gen 2 up until Gen 9 recently Gen 2 introduced the core mechanics which used in modern game such as day/night cycle, friendship, held item, BUT!!! Gen 2 also introduce us to Radio, Crafting (with Apicorns), and most importantly, Story Continuity that ties to the previous game, this is innovation tbh Gen 3? they introduced us to Contest which is completely different than Pokémon Battle, also Secret Bases Gen 4? you know Poké Walker? the tamagotchi-like that ties to HGSS games? that’s one thing, but they also introduced us to PokéAthlon which made us partook in Olympic-like sports game in HGSS too, also in Sinnoh we have Underground and Distortion World, which is a new concept at the time Gen 5? have you play both Gen 5 & Gen 7? they are the most story-based Pokémon games ever, parts where you said they are "repetitive" and "non-creative" stops here actually, these 4 games have the most explorable region ever with most of post game contents that we could explore without getting bored with Gen 6 introduced us to "Styles", whether it’s costume changes, roller skate tricks, or even the various side-jobs we could partook IN THE GAME Gen 8 introduced us to Rotom PC where we could employ our Pokémon to do jobs, heck even if the battle mechanic itself in these games are quite innovative, SWSH with big stadium battle and Legends Arceus with action-based combat, if you complain about graphic.technical issues, just play Sword & Shield then Gen 9 introduced us to Let’s Go feature and Syncro Machine where we can explore the world as Pokémon all of which, are presents in most of Digimon games such as World or Story series, again to clarify myself, I’m not a Pokémon fan, but I do enjoy both franchise while being a Digimon fan myself
You're clearly being bias here, and dare I say 'hating on Pokémon'. I couldn't even finished the video after talking about the anime. Ash won the first gym because Brock saw that Ash is a genuine person who didn't want to win while his Onix was at an unfair disadvantage. Ash won the second gym because he saved the gym and the Pokémon from Team Rocket. He won the 4th gym because Sabrina became a happier person....and because Kadabra was literally "unable to battle", therefore losing against Ash. Won the 5th gym because Ash risked his neck to save Erika's most beloved Pokémon. And regarding the last gym, HE WON THAT FAIR AND SQUARE. Team Rocket played dirty, Ash played at their own rules and won. You can't say Ash only won 3 gyms when technically he won 4 by batting and 4 by being a decent human being. If the anime were to follow the rules of the games to a T, I doubt the show would still have continued on to this day. Not to mention you left out so much regarding other aspects of the show aside from Gym battles. You talked about the "emotional" aspects of didgimon and the character growth but left out how Ash had actually grown as a character. He's saved different Pokémon countless of times, helped out other trainers in need, even learned from his own mistakes and poor judgment of other trainers. Not to mention after the original series we would go on other adventures and be a mentor for other characters like May and Dawn. Pokémon had a lot of impactful moments that you completely neglected just to push your narrative. Now I'm not gonna say anything about didgimon because I have never seen it, but as someone who had watched Pokémon since they were young, your description of what occurs in the show is completely off and put in such a way that makes Pokémon looks shallow. Everyone can have their preferences, but to say one is better than the other and crap on the show you deem to be less is absolutely disrespectful.
@@pedrogoncalvesneto2451 so what if Ash doesn't age? Most animations don't have characters age. Take Bugs Bunny, Mickey Mouse, Garfield, Scooby-Doo, etc. as examples. The lack of character aging doesn't define the show's quality or lack of quality.
@@CartoonsEveryone You are right, aging doesn't mean the quality of a show. But all these characters you quoted have a veeery diferent nature and aproach to storytelling, and it's kind of a stretch to an argument. These were never supposed to be tied to rules in anyway. They are comedic and/or surreal. On the other hand, Pokémon wants you to get immersed in its fantasy world, have extensive lore about the creation of said world and characters, and have grounded rules about what are pokémon and the characters. And at the same time they don't flesh out these things like, how weird is it that ash doesn't age or mature in this world after almost 30 years worth of seasons of the anime? And I mean in a way both physically an mentally. Every season is almost like a reset just to show us new pokémon from a region, and it feels like Ash's growth is reseted too every time.
Just want complement that I love the pokémon games, and in the games this logic works, but this same logic applied to the anime breaks the immersion for me.
Now, this is a very subjective point.... but I'd have to say you are wrong..... not because one is better than the other.... but because the two franchises are so vastly different that it makes no sense to actually compare them.... I feel the Pokemon games are just so good with most of the issues with the games people have are less to do with the games themselves and the technical issues in the games. Personally, I feel the Pokemon games are way more fun and the fact that Gamefreak makes such great games is why the franchise lasted so long. And the controversy is the problems these great games have. For some, the issues ruin the games, for others, the issues aren't a big enough deal to ruin the games (to people calling fans idiots, they are just like Sheldon Cooper from TBBT except without his intelligence; they hate the idea that the stuff that bothers them doesn't bother other people...) But the Digimon games are way too drastically different to say that they are better or worse... When it comes to the creatures, I honestly love both, but they are also vastly different. One is a systematic world where every generation matches quite well and the gens around it sorta match, while the other is a f***ing hodge podge with a very loose system and freedom to what the Digimon can become... Their worlds are vastly different, with Digimon being a pure fantasy world where anything can happen.... Pokemon on the other hand is a more real world with magic in it. It has lore, history and builds on it's self in a way our real world does.... Digimon has Lore too, but it feels like it's a fantasy world lore that just evolves..... And their anime are drastically different, with the Pokemon anime being an episodic series that kept the lore and connections between episodes loose yet canon with the focus being more on the individual narratives than a large bigger narrative... while Digimon anime has a large over arching narrative with a focus on adventure with episodic episodes being a part of the bigger story. Honestly, while both series have a bunch of monsters, "mon" in heir names and the monsters becoming allies with kids... there is very litter in common with these series. They are so vastly different that comparing them feels stupid. It's like comparing sea meat with land meat... both come from living creatures.... but the flavor profiles are so vastly different that comparing which is better seems stupid and it is instead just personal opinion......
RJ also just seems to be extremely bitter towards Pokemon. His arguments are extremely weak as well. He tries to argue Digimon is better, but then fails to even make really good points why. Most of his points prove how average Digimon is comparatively. Even his reference of Jaiden's video proves how average Digimon is. He even says he doesn't play every Digimon game, but when he feels like it, he will give the new game a try. That's NOT a very compelling argument to sell Digimon as better than Pokemon. Anyone with a brain would know that "Giving something a try" is more of a desperate plea than it is a compelling argument. You won't see any really good salesmen telling you to "just give it a try." because that wreaks of desperation. And RJ wreaks of bitterness.
What I adore most about Digimon is that the creatures themselves can revert back to being its pre evolution. Even though I prefer the monster designs of Pokemon more. I also love the world building and they constantly show that there's so much more to life than being a League Champion.
That's mainly an anime thing though, Digimon core games are the vpets, and that is permanent until they die and reborn, some mangas follow the same pattern, video games are mixed with it
Thing is, what Digimon lacks in is what Pokemon does better. I do love Digimon lore and I'm an absolute sucker for the Royal Knights, but Pokemon tops em Everytime
I strongly agree for the most part. I think I enjoy the Pokemon aesthetic more, but I haven't played a mainline Pokemon game since Sun & Moon. I loved Arceus though, and I want more games like that. I hope they continue strong with Legends Z-A.
Same, i am still hoping to this day for a new Pokemon Rangers Title..... Even though we didn't even get one for the Wii U which could have worked wonders, or the switch, which also could technically work if you play handheld mode. Also Mystery Dungeon is also with the Story pretty nice (Time,Darkness and SKy)
@@masterjoful Sadly, I don't think we're getting anymore Ranger or Mystery Dungeon games... I'd even take another remake of PMD: Explorers like they did for PMD: Rescue Team, but it's seeming less-and-less likely as time goes on (though they did re-release PMD: Red Rescue Team on GBA for Switch Online, but I think that's a cash grab to entice people to upgrade to more expensive plan for Switch Online more than anything else).
10:33 Pokemon legends Arceus has crafting, along with open word battles to some extent, it also has a mostly open world, a chance to 'die', strong and agile style moves, the story is completely different this time, and more. And Pokemon Scarlet and Violet have raid battles, a completely open world, you can make sandwiches for your Pokemon/take care of them, there's open world mini battles, there's a small crafting mechanic, you can go to school and make friends with the teachers to gain items, if DLC is counted there's a fun multiplayer mechanic with ditto hunting, there's a way to run around as the Pokemon themselves, a story that's original and unlike any other pokemon game, ECT. Saying that Palworld has so much more mechanics than Pokemon is disingenuous. And not bringing up how glitchy Palworld is on PC (a thing with the best hardware in the gaming sphere, unlike the switch with some of the worst) is also kinda disingenuous. And accusing Pokemon of ripping off dragon quest because of 'similar looking monsters' is absurd. Unlike Palworld that uses the same exact color schemes as Pokemon on pals that look similar in build to other pokemon, and even have some identical models if the primariana hair is to be believed, when Pokemon "copies" dragon quest it's just both companies doing a simple idea that could be thought of on its own. Like Zubat and the dragon quest bat are just bats. For a vast majority of comparisons in your picture, the only similarities between the counterparts is that they're based off the same creature. Is Agumon a rip off of Charmander because they're both orangish lizards? Is gatomon a rip off of Meowth because they're both cats with yellow accessories? What about the slime monster is that a grimer rip off? No, they're simple ideas executed differently. Palworld is obviously not basing things off similar ideas but going their own way, they are obviously looking at Pokemon as direct and blatant inspiration for a lot of mon.
I will say that the Digimon anime is better. However, as a small defense, I'd like to point out that Ash was only late because he broke his clock in his sleep. It wasn't really his fault. Also, the anime does get a lot better in later seasons, with more of a story and more emotional episodes. As for the games, I feel like Digimon games are way too different from one another, which makes it hard to maintain a fanbase. You might find that you only like one series of Digimon games, like the World games, and since it takes so long for each game to come out it can be a really long time before you get another game you like. I also feel like each game has some major flaws, like Dawn/Dusk being so labyrinthine or how the Digimon dying and being reborn in the World games can kill the pacing. I've played plenty of Digimon games, but I've never finished one since each one has something so annoying and off-putting that it gets me to quit. I feel like one of the biggest issues with Pokemon games is just the writing. It's often very generic and/or boring. It does feel as if they've been improving in this department lately, as they've been experimenting with their writing in the last few generations of games. The other big issue is that the size and complexity of the games is increasing faster than they can keep up, though this was only really a problem for the Switch games. The only game I never finished was Sword/Shield, though Scarlet/Violet was almost bad enough for me to quit. Gens 3-5 are pretty great and everything else, aside from the Switch games, only has a problem with writing. TL;DR: Digimon only has better writing. (Also, their Switch games run better.)
Ok can we please stop this console war BS, we're adults now, these are the same basic argument we were having on the school yard. If I have to put them in simple arguments, Pokemon is an Open world narrative, while Digimon is a linear narrative. For a kids show the Pokemon Anime dose some impressive world building, while Digimon relies on a lot of standard narrative elements. Pokemon & Digimon fans want very different things, I like Pokemon because I like the concept of discovering new creatures & learning about how they exist, while Digimon's action doesn't appeal to me. Regardless of everything, I say the bottom line is sadly Gamefreak/Pokemon Company is a bad company, while Bandai is a terrible company. Both just suck at delivering what their fans want from these franchise.
Digimon has far better story, and world-building than Pokemon does. Pokemon fans only want shit, and the same stuff they've been getting for the past 2 decades. Did you see the fit that they threw over simple mythological elements in the GameFreak leaks?
Yeah the last sentence is just so sad that it's true, one just drown in success they don't really try hard to improve so it got stale and one just seems neglected while it actually has potential to grow more.
@@MilenAnessar I know it maybe weird to say, but with some franchise I find the best part is the fandoms. I feel that a big part of Pokemon, they've done a lot to pick up the slack left by Gamefreak. I would really like to see that from the Digimon fandom, rather then still arguing which is better.
Then as you grow up you realize that both are pretty mid. Pokemon is basically the same game every time where the last five generations have been adding and removing features because it doesn't know what it wants going forward. Digi games ALSO kind of feel like fifa seeing as Digimon keeps using their main roster every game, it's like if Pokemon made the returning mons from gen 1 the main aspect. Digi Anime is good but it's incredibly basic "monster of the week" storytelling kinda holds it back. The kids run into the same issue of: an upset mon; and they solve the problem the same way: with an evolution and stock footage of their attacks for the 50th time. Even the different characters from Digimon have kind of lost some of their oomph because there's almost always the same tropes of goggle character, hacker character, girl character, and a brooding/ cool character
I disagree. Until recently, every Pokemon game was basically the same game with a different coat of paint. And now that they ARE trying to do something vaguely different, the quality drops significantly as a consequence. Graphics are behind the time, the story is still there same thing mostly, the Open World of SV is poorly done because you hardly have any reason to engage with it, and cities became worse because now most houses can't be entered unless its a gym or pokecenter.
@zacziggarot if you think Digimon only uses the same handful of Digimon, you haven't played enough digimon games. Sure Agumon and Gabumon often plays a role, but theres a lot more.
@@jonathangoodwin5609 because every Digimon game tends to always use the same season one roster (patamon, palmon, tentomon, gotsumon, piyomon, gomamom, haguramon etc) and only add in what feels like two or three new mon lines per game and they usually don't even show up until AFTER the og cast gets their first appearance. At least Pokemon adds a good 50 mons per game and their use makes their games feel different each gen. Digimon just feels like it's still coasting off and relying more heavily on it's first generation, it feels less diverse when agumon and gabumon (as well as the other gen 1 mons) are ALWAYS front and center. Even cool newcomers like bearmon, monmon, and kendomon tend to get dropped after a single game while the gen 1 rookies are overused returning in every single game. Digimon games just can't help but feel samey when I'm fighting the same groups of mons I was fighting 20 years ago. Bandai has reverse dexit now as they try to cram as many monsters as they can into a single game. Yeah, their stories are better than Pokemon's, but that's a ridiculously low bar to clear
@@jonathangoodwin5609 it's more than Agumon and Gabumon and you know it. Basically the entire season 1 cast returns EVERY game and it makes the series feel pretty samey. They don't add enough new mons in each game to even make the games feel noticably different
Thing is, even the main paired Pokemon games do change. Battling your friends in Red-Blue is substantially different in Gold Silver, in Ruby Sapphire, in Diamond Pearl...now it wasn't that different in Black and White. That's when the formula started to refine itself, leading to the rise of gimmicks in X and Y, and my admittedly diminished interested in the battle system, but Black and White is still a different experience from Diamond and Pearl, evidenced by how much people hated weather all of the sudden, even though the mechanic had been there since Gold and Silver. Now do Pokemon pairs change enough? No, not really. But they don't have the NFL Madden level of game permanence. That's just disingenuous. Triple Battle, Rotation, Pokestar, those were still new experiences, even if Game Freak decided to drop them all. Battle Tower-Frontier-Subway-Institute were still new experiences, even if Game Freak may decide to not include them in any given game at seemingly random. Kahunas, island trials and defending your championship were all new, if one off. It's not just multiplayer that changes either. Are the buggy Switch games justifiable for their price, on the same console that has Forgotten World, Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, Xenoblade Chronicles, Splatoon 3, etc. No, no it's not. Game Freak still is trying to do something new by turning Legends into a new sub series. Now again, that doesn't excuse the glorified betas that Nintendo charged full price for. Betas that don't even hold up to Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U, or Skyward Sword on the Wii. Nintendo should be embarrassed by Pal World, it should be embarrassed by Forever Oasis in the 3DS, by Fossil Fighters on the DS, by Custom Robo on the Game Cube, by pretty much any fire Emblem mobile game, but just assuming the Pokemon games were still anything resembling polished for a moment, the multiplayer experience is still changing, between each installment. Not as much as from Ruby and Sapphire to Diamon and Pearl, but let's be honest, the Special-Physical system prior to Diamond and Pearl was awful. The point being the same strategies that carry you through Black and White will not do so in X and Y, much less Scarlet and Violet, even if you removed all of the new Pokemon, and all of the new gimmicks, because field effects are still a new mechanic to account for. I mock Pokmeon for relying on gimmicks post black and white, but those DO change the game play. In a negative way, in my opinion until Scarlet and Violet actually. The terrastilization is both new without over centralizing the game. Shame the game runs so badly, because it's a fun new gimmick to use. I'd be happy to see it stay around in every following game that isn't a remake...but as much I dislike Mega Evolution, as much as I can take or leave Z moves or dynamax, ignore those at your own peril! Dynamax actually opened the door to a different kind of multiplayer, as you compete with your friends to catch the giant monster first, or just help someone else do it with the agreement they'll give you an egg later. Yes, buggy games, not excusing that, but saying it has no more variation than Madden is disingenuous. Not enough variation for you to buy more? That's fair, but that doesn't give you license to be inaccurate about what you dislike. There's plenty enough to criticize about Pokemon while still being accurate.
Reguarding the anime that might be true, but gameplay wise pokemon games work better. Im a digimon lover too but some gameplay mechanics are truly infuriating like the scanning to get digimons or the fact that evolution lines changed from game to game...
Winning with 3 Pokémon against 5 Pokémon while being tazed is a legitimate win. Especially since 3 of those pokemon were giovanni's I don't want Pokémon to do anything new. I want a better execution of the "same game" like we got during the DS era.
I was really on board with you up until the Games part, you were really unfair there: I'm a fan of both Pokémon and Digimon and mainly a Digimon fan now thx to the new TCG (another thing that Digimon do better), but Digimon has really two core series : "World" and "Story", World is the old V-pet inspired game and Story is the Shin Megami Tensei RPG like (careful with the english titles they aren't all the right ones) and that's it, they always had the same core gameplay with barely any changes except the visuals, the rest is spin off games exactly like Pokémon with Rangers and Mystery Dungeon. Lastly I'm tired of the "Palworld is better" argument , I hate ARC with a passion and Palworld is just ARC with Pokemon, I would never play a game like that even with the Pokemon or Digimon skin and I'm sick of seeing craft mechanics and survival creeping in my RPGs. Pokemon is one of the lasts good turn based RPG left with SMT and Persona don't steal it from us plz. Not saying everything Pokemon is doing is great but gameplay and story wise SV are great games, they are however severely under-cooked due to impossible deadlines from TPCI and I hope they will have learned their lesson for the next game. And for the anime Pokemon Horizon is leagues better than anything they did before easily digimon level, and digimon Ghost Game was really poorly received (I loved it personally). Sadly Digimon is kinda dead right now for anything beside the TCG and comics, no anime in sight, the new Story game is probably in development hell by now and Bandai doesn't really seem to care.
RJ is just extremely bitter towards Pokemon and he doesn't know how to handle his emotions, so he takes it out inside a video, instead of just moving on and playing something different. It's not that serious. It's a video game. Put it down and go outside and touch grass. There's always something else out there for you. But it seems like he's just angry at Pokemon, even though he doesn't have to play the games. Just another entitled complainer who lacks the skill to take accountability for his own decisions and lacks the emotional maturity to move on.
Let's also not forget that in Pokémon anime, Ash feels regressed with each region he lands to not just him, but his Pikachu as well, and it sucks because of the fact that we hardly ever see him have real development throughout his journey all because he isn't allowed to 'grow'
As I feared, this video is nothing more than biased BS. 4:19 And we start with the terrible arguments. You are comparing an adventure, save-the-world. structured anime (Digimon) to an episodic, become the very best like no one ever was anime (Pokemon). Of course Digimon is gonna touch points that Pokemon wont, it isn't what the anime was going for. Yet Pokemon far and wide had its dramatic moments as well. Things like Butterfree's Goodbye episode or the episode were Ash tried to release Pikachu or that time Ash, Brock and Misty went their sepparate ways. 4:40 Who said that? What enteils being a Pokemon Master never had a concrete answer. At first it looked like being the strogest was the answer, however, as can be seen at the end of the show, this wasn't enough. Befriending literally everybody, be it human or Pokemon is also a part of it as well. 4:46 Not only you were talking about Ash during literally his first adventure, but also, this is something that happens less and less the more you advance in the story, to the point that, since Hoenn, he has won all his badges fair and square. 5:58 Again, this is a disingenuous argument because you are comparing two fully different anime whose plots don't go in the same way. It would be like if you criticized Yugioh because people don't simply punch each other. 6:31 Really? Your entire argument for why the Digimon movies are better is because of IMDB? Man, what a weak argument. IMDB is not the ultimate source for a product's quality. There are a lot of Pokemon movies that would easily beat any of the Digimon ones, like Mewtwo Strikes Back or The Power of One. 8:48 Thing is that you are ignoring the huge elephant in the room: The competitive scene. Digimon lacks one, so every game can be unique with no problem. Pokemon lacks this luxury, its competitive has been going on for over a decade now and it would be a huge loss if it had to restart because Pokemon's gameplay got heavily changed. Also, taking advantage of you bringing up her video, pay attention to the very beginning, in there she describes how hard it is to find a good entry point for a new player. This is yet another point Pokemon gets: Accessibility. And you discard too fast the spin offs. Pokemon includes way more genres through them. You want a Dungeon Crawler? There's Mystery Dungeon. What about a Fighting game? Pokken Tournament is a thing. You want a turn-based Tactical RPG? Play Pokemon Conquest. There's literally a game for anybody. 10:03 Dude, Palworld is hardly the first "Pokemon Killer". Every year or two there's always a new one. And the same thing always happens at the end: The end up forgotten. Remember TemTem? Not too long ago they were calling that game the "Pokemon Killer", yet see where we are right now.
Digimon has always tried new things. Every season was radically different, even the sequel seasons. Different ways to digivolve, different dynamics between digimon and humans. Sometimes it worked really well, like in Tamers, sometimes it didn't work so well, like in Xros. What you undeniably get is a wide variety, despite there being some common rules for how Digimon work, in order to keep SOME level of consistency. The same can be said for the games. This means that Digimon probably didn't see as much success, because people never really knew what to expect from Digimon. Pokemon is comfort food. You know exactly what you're going to get, because they will never stray from the formula too much. It's not meant to be deep or thought provoking, or even really all that good. It's just meant to be there to cater to the very young childlike minds that we all used to have. This means that it's easy to get bored with Pokemon, but you can always go back to it and pretty much know what you're going to get. Digimon has always tried to tell deeper, more mature stories. Pokemon is just...childlike. That's it. There's nothing inherently wrong with how either franchise approaches things. It's really just up to your personal tastes. I personally always liked Digimon better, for many of the reasons you laid out.
The Digimon Games just don't compare at all. I love them, but go back and get someone fresh to play Digimon World 1 with no guidance. That is a miserable experience! And it's great when you get the hang of it, but you are going to get Numemon and lose A LOT. Honestly, I'll be amazed if you're not just heal-spamming your way through a ton of battles. Same for World 2, the level cap is complicated and getting to higher levels is a slog. It's extremely grind heavy and it's a lot of nothing dungeon crawling even when you know what you're doing. It's very unfriendly to beginners. Digimon World 3 holds up the best, but it's also not amazing. It's really unclear on where to go and your only means of fast travel are a series of complicated interconnected points and a massive series of labrynths you can easily get lost in. Both of which you are FORCED to use. Compare all of this to classic Pokemon. Yes, we know the old gens are a programming mess, but the design is just better overall. You know where you're going, leveling makes sense, things work the way you expect them to, and you even get easy and accessible fast travel from a convenient menu. I would kill for these things in classic Digimon games. Modern Digimon fares way better, but it's mostly because Modern Pokemon is just so bad now. Even Cyber Sleuth is still full of filler and has really wonky pacing that goes from 0 to 100 out of nowhere, and that's probably the best made Digimon game on the market right now. The rest are a bit... ehhh......... The card game definitely goes to Digimon, though. I don't care, the effects are creative, there's nice archetype synergy, and the mechanics to prevent snowballing are pretty fun and effective. Pokemon TCG is good, but half the time it feels like I just get blown out by one quick setup and can't do anything. The other half the time I'm the one sweeping the enemy team, which doesn't feel that fun, either, when you have to knock out a full 6 Pokemon.
As a kid I liked both franchises a lot, but pokemon still won the battle for me. The animes were pretty equal to me, I just preferred the games. Lil me couldn’t read yet and certainly not English, so I just goofed around in the Digimon game. It was fun, but also just fun. Meanwhile Pokémon was the only way for me to connect and play together with people tbh. There was no need to read English, games were so easy I played them from memory. No it was the social aspect that worked for me. Trading, battling, the rumors, that kinda stuff. I was also a bug collector, collecting Pokémon was right up my alley. Digimon also freaked lil me out sometimes. How does a cute creature with wings as ears transform into a humanlike angel? A lot of the designs were either really cool or just meh, but they did not feel cohesive at all. And lastly even though Digimon was big, it was sadly smaller than Pokémon. I asked my family a lot about stuff, I really wanted a digiwatch for example, but the stuff just wasn’t in stores or well known. Meanwhile Pokémon was just plastered on everything and way easier to get. I feel like that was a big factor as well. Even if the games were comparable, one franchise just had more of a presence and influence
As someone who generally prefers Digimon to Pokemon, you know that game section is bullshit, right? "Pokemon doing different things doesn't count for reasons, so there's only one kind of Pokemon game. But Digimon games not being able to get their shit together means they're trying different things."
Yeah, he can't even bring himself to admit Digimon games are better than Pokemon games because he straight up says, "I'll give digimon games a try." That's not a compelling argument. It's more of him just saying he's bitter towards Pokemon. And if he's comparing Digimon is better than Pokemon, then why does he have to lean on saying PalWorld is better than Pokemon? Why does PalWorld need to be brought up in this argument? It just proves how weak his arguments were for Digimon. It sounded more like he was scraping the bottom of the barrel for arguments than he was actually TRYING to make compelling arguments. This whole video wreaked of bitterness and desperation to make an argument.
I'll start by saying I love both, but I feel Pokemon had superior games while Digimon had the superior anime. Pokemon anime wasn't bad, but it was a bit long winded at times and a lot of themes for me fell flat after a while (falling for Team Rockets disguises and tricks repeatedly for DECADES being one example). Digimon made me emotionally invested and even had my sister and I watching the Tri series and Last Evolution and getting teary eyed well into our 20's. We also both loved the 2020 remake of the OG series. The Digimon games were good, but not as many or released as much, so a bit harder to judge. Pokemon had a very solid lineup for games regularly released and despite the same theme being kept across generations, there was enough crammed into each game to enrapture multiple generations of gamers. Love both, just in different ways.
As a fan of both Pokémon and Digimon, I can honestly say you were cooking until you said Digimon games are better than Pokémon games. While Pokémon games have had the same formula since the beginning, they have not been the same exact game every time. That’s a huge oversimplification.
Couldn't agree more. Btw, the Pokemon anime is truly a kid's show - and I mean a _little_ kid's show. Digimon is more mature, a kid will enjoy it (I mean _I_ did), but it was smartly written such that it still holds up. The kids had real problems that an adult will understand too. Throughout the different seasons of Digimon you even have main characters of different ages, it's not just kids - and the ones who are kids grow up and change, they mature with the audience... unlike Ash. And Pokemon was lucky that their games took off. They thought for sure that the gen 2 games were going to be it. Turned out they found a formula for a game that just sold consistently well, sure they have dedicated fans as well that will buy the next game (out of nostalgia and habit), but they can always count on a new batch of kids who are going to be enticed by this formula that is always the same. The games aren't actually that good or innovative. The Digimon games aren't always a slam dunk, but at least they try new things and don't become stale and boring. I suppose they _could_ learn from each other, but Palworld _kind of_ did this, taking the best of both worlds - and, well, we can see how the Pokemon Company reacted. If Digimon tried anything to make their games more successful like Pokemon, they would get accused of copying them (I mean harder than people already do) and the lawsuits would start.
Digimon def had better storytelling in the anime, as the story was more cohesive and required weekly viewing. I did drop off once they started the whole humans merging with digimon stuff; that stuff was stupid. Everything new that Pokémon introduced into the games was stupid. Mega evolves was stupid, as was merging two together, and don’t even get me start on how ridiculous gigantimax is.
*"Digimon def had better storytelling in the anime, as the story was more cohesive and required weekly viewing."* Dude, you are comparing two completely different styles of story-telling. The former is about saving the worlds and plot-heavy; the latter is more episodic and about becoming the best. It is unfair to compare them. It would be as if you said that Naruto is better than Yuru Camp because the latter is about camping and not about protecting the village and becoming the next Hokage. *"Everything new that Pokémon introduced into the games was stupid. Mega evolves was stupid, as was merging two together, and don’t even get me start on how ridiculous gigantimax is."* Wait, ar including a fan game gimmick in the debate? As for Megas and Gigantamaxing, to each their own. I mean, Mega's problem was that Pokemon that didn't need it got them and Gigantamax was just Megas but more balanced and accessible.
Bro didnt even comment on pokken tournament which was soooo good. But yeah all interesting comments. My main gripe with Digimon was always that the mons felt samey imo but I loved the anime. Cool video
@@morganalley3093 thanks! And I can kind of agree on them kind of feeling the same I do wish they had more unique styles and personalities a little more
the only digimon games that should be considered mainline imo are the vpet simulators: world1, Re:Digitize and NextOrder which are all amazing and far better than all the mainline pkmn games combined, so yes, digimon wins
I was never a diehard pokémon fan myself but i always had a deeper connection with Digimon i had the OG vpets as a kid and played Digimon World before watching the show, but 4 years ago that's when my passion for Digimon truly exploded, but to be fair i do not consume everything Digimon i mainly stick to Vpets because to me that's what sets them apart from Pokémon, evolution happens as a response to how it's raised and everything has consequences, though they are raised for combat, they get injured, injuries can lead to an early demise, but if i don't make it fight how do i gauge it's strenght? Also your mon has a lifespan and his life will eventually come to an end and that's life for you, and it's up to you to either do your best while he's there or fail, your mon goes out early and and you have start over. Instead of dividing your attention over 6 mons that have linear evolutions and you really don't have to do much to make them stronger outside making them fight and assign better moves, in Digimon you focus on one mon (on the DM20 you raise two at the same time, and it's all about how much you train it, how much you neglect it, how much you deliberately farm care mistakes for a specific evolution or find a balance to make natural care mistakes without having to stare at them at all times. I've been collecting digimon vpets for the last 4 years, I have one with me at all times even at work, i found a natural balance where i can keep them in my pocket and look at them during breaks or during down times, and because each device has it's own balance and rhythm i can let fate do it's thing, it doesn't affect my work in anyway and they really help me keeping me focused and sane most of the time.
The cover of butterfly in the beginning was so good. Also biggest dreamer was great. (I liked the other covers in the video too, but those were the highlights)
Does Pokémon being the "same game repackaged" mean you hate Mario, Zelda, Dark Souls, God of War or really a majority of games in general? You should realize game development is much harder than you think. There is not even time to reinvent the wheel and change a game right down to its core from one to the other. Tons and I mean TONS of time, money and management need to be made for that to happen. If a game has a sequel that is massively different and does poorly it could be a huge loss to the company. It's the reason you seldom see Digimon release a game. If you need a game series that is constantly reinventing the wheel and being different with each entry is what makes it appealing to you, then I don't have the words. I get where you're coming from. Always collecting monsters and traveling a weird alternate version of the real world to beat 8 dudes to get a chance at being a master is getting old and redundant. I get you want the next Pokémon to have massive changes in its gameplay structure and mechanics for you to even consider picking it up. I get you want the next Pokémon to have living breathing life forms with their own thoughts and feelings instead of being lifeless battle monsters. I have my own criticisms with the series, and I haven't been up to speed on the series in recent years. However, what I find appealing about is the sense of adventure and discovery. The game being the same doesn't take away from passion for the series. Every entry has its own identity in spite of the gameplay never changing. It's the same with Mario and Dark Souls. You're doing the same thing but the differences are what gives each entry of their series its own flair. I respect where you're coming from and why you Team Digimon, but your words won't change my perspective and vice versa. It's all subjective at the end of the day.
As any child growing up in the peak of all that, i loved both, then people started a trend of Digimon copied Pokemon, pokemon is better and as a dumb child i followed neglecting most of my Digimon enjoyment. As a child, still, the RPG elements of pokemon where like so little to me, i just caught them, made them fight and barely understood the story, not because i was that dumb, because i played them in english and i didn't learn english until my teenage years. The digimon game needed a bit more of english basis, which i didn't have too. Then i grew up... I started disliking Ash/Satoshi so freaking much, just the mere sight of the guy being a complete failure as a trainer was so annoying, the episodes were clearly meant for children WHICH IS FINE, but my god, rewatching Digimon Adventure was such a ride, made me feel, cry, excited... While the "Gotta catch them all" song or whatever is called the main theme of pokemon is quite decent, comparing it to ANY Digimon song is so silly, specially with Butterfly, that song is just a nostalgia fueled cry factory because it means something, i am not following a lazy mediocre kid, it was about being flawed but growing and learning with Digimon. Nowadays i can totally see the appeal on pokemon, play it from time to time with so much disgust in "So i am privating the freedom of this animal for my own enjoyment beating up other people's animals", i don't know, the concept itself isn't so nice when the customization is so lttle. I have Pokemon Sun lying around somewhere and cleaning and caring about my Pokemon feel quite nice, but that's pretty mcuh it, after that it's the same beating each other with animals. Don't get me started on how widely know is that Pokemon games are often so mediocre and half done. Digimon is truly special, sadly, not widely loved or cared as Pokemon...
While I much prefer Digimon, the main things Pokemon has over it is the focus and consistency, whether it be the shows/movies, games, and importantly, character design. That higher consistency makes it more easily accessible, which is why it continues to pull ahead in every aspect. I will keep rooting for Digimon to improve, but I won't turn a blind eye to its flaws
@ThatGuyRJChannel ya did great! I've seen almost all the anime series even the worst digimon series is better than Pokémon because it has actual story that feels like it matters. Up until when Ash finally won I was like this can just be background noise. With the digimon I'm more invested
as someone who played a good chunk of pokemon games; they have only gotten worse over time... the older games like Gold and Silver at least had the freedom to act and move without the game grabbing you by the hand for an unskippable cut scene into another unskippable cutscene. not only is it the same game, but it's only become worse as time has passed with only superficial changes that do nothing to improve the core game play experience.
Yes, a lot of the newer pokemon games are hand holding except for the newest games. Scarlet and violet you can literally go anywhere you please. You can skip around and fight any gym you want. The core game play is the whole point of the game. It's a jrpg, aka turn battles. You can't change that or else it's not a jrpg.
@uwillnevernoewhoiam a game like persona has better animations for the attacks pokemon dispite being more popular has worse looking action compared to competitors.
@@chronic-joker But that's the point of persona, to be flashy and over the top. They are a JRPG as well, so to differentiate they go heavy into the art style and animation. Pokemon would benefit from that to a point but it isn't necessary.
@uwillnevernoewhoiam except it is, the models movement is so limp and poor in pokemon there outclassed by the old school jrpg games. It literally looks like a stiff toy moving a lot of the time which makes the fights look boring. This then makes the action feel more like a chore I have to get through to finish the game instead of being enjoyable. Dragon qeust is also a jrpg franchise and it has way better looking animation almost every jrpg does. There is no "style" that can be used to justify pokemon it's just blatantly bad and outdated.
@@chronic-joker No it's not, you can literally play pokemon without the animations, which they allow you do to, and you can still enjoy it. If all you care about is the flashy animation then all you care about is art style and animation, and art is entirely subjective. That's like saying you like the color red more so red is superior to all other colors so the color blue is bad and outdated
Pokemon does also have various game types as well. Like poke Rangers, poke dungeons, a poke fighting game, an abandoned typing game, etc. Imo, none of them are fun except some of the mainline or consoles versions.
Regarding the last Kanto badge, well, that's not how I remember it. How I remember it is that Jessie, James and Meowth got the Gym from Giovanni and tried to cheat to beat Ash. But Ash won anyway and the sore losers they were they refused to give him the badge. But Ash got it anyway, when they blasted off again after their cheating device blown. So, in my opinion at least, Ash won the eighth Kanto badge legitimately, despite TR Trio cheating. And that makes four out of eight Kanto badges he Ash won legitimately, that means half of them. But the thing is, after Kanto, Ash never got any badge given to him. He won every single badge in every region where he went after badges legitimately.
Great thumbnail. Decent production. You should try the many pokemon spin off games that exist, from pokemon conquest, to pokemon mystery dungeon, to pokemon sleep, there are a variety of games that dont fall under the usual pokemon formula. You should have focused more on the depth of digimons characters and interactions. It feels like you surface level touched on things without going into more detail.
I remember when me and my big brother was kids in the 90s. I loved Digimon and he loved the first season of Pokemon. So we fought with each other. 2 years later the Johto theme song caught my attention, but still wasn't there. Intel Hoenn came out, and I started watching a few episodes and I started kind of liking it. I try to skip as much of Unova and Sinnoh, but when Kalos came out I started watching it. I skipped the Hawaiian one, but watched all of galar ❤ I was happy that the boy Ash became world champion at the end. I might have slim through some of his journeys, but was happy to remember the memories of when I was a true Digimon fan, and somewhat still am. Just to remember all the fights I had with him and how pointless it was😅 For me Digimon - digimon Data Squad was goat! every after that wasn't the same😅 Pokemon and Digimon 🤝
Digimon is better at story telling, character writing and recognizing it's fans and their reality. They also tackled much more mature and emotional stories. Pokemon was fun and all but besides the first few games it doesn't feel like as much heart and effort was invested.
@@HustlerHorstRuediger The Diamond And Pearl Anime And The XYZ Anime Is Better At Story Telling In My Opinion Since They Focus On Ash's Character The Most And Pokemon Character Arc's Like Infernape And Greninja And They Still Have Development For The Other Companions That Travel With Ash. As For The Games I Actually Do Agree But At The Same Time Don't Agree Cause It's Like What A TH-camr Named Internet Pit Stop Said They Want To Make These Games Great But Due To Nintendo's Deadlines And Time Constraints They Can't But Legends Z-A Will Hopefully Change That.
Let's see, which was the last Pokemon game you played? When was the last time you played the TCG? As for Digimon, which was the last anime you watched? Which was the last movie? That argument and logic is way older than most Pokemon fans...
@HeeHungersForHos I'm interested on starting Pokemon but... I'm slightly against them and it would mostly be a waste, people said the peak was when Greninja
I just commented earlier and i checked the imbd for movie and ur such a liar. U told how pokemon have lower rating compared to digimon.but u didnt say the sample size for digimon was at an average of 1.5k while pokemon has lower limit of 2k to higher 24k. Ur already a small channel why would u lie and spread misinformation to ppl.
Yeah, digimon movies appeal to digimon fans only, of course they're going to rate it higher. Pokemon was massive, the movies came out in theaters at times, of course more general audiences who aren't super invested in Pokemon are going to rate it lower
@JueTheRoux ya, i know, that why im talking about sample size.if u look at the the list yr self u will realize he is lying in his movie comparison. Digimon movies was rated by just very few ppl while pokemon had a large pool. That means the average is going to change. And the reason i had looked it up is i remember watching the most of the digimon movies .except for the 1st one and frontier movie everything else was the same movies with different template.
I grew up with Pokemon (both games and anime) more than Digimon (I have seen some Digimon on TV like an episode of Adventure and some episodes of Tamer, which is my favorite season) and had Digimon World 2 & 3 on PS1 but anyway, after marathoning all Digimon seasons up to Xros Wars/Fusion at the time, I prefer every DIgimon season over most Pokemon anime seasons but for games, Pokemon has always been my go-to. I haven't played many Digimon games but I would like to play Cyber Sleuth and few others on my Switch when I can get to them in my backlog of games.
Pokemon’s story is only still going because of the massive amount of money Pokemon generates. The series doesn’t justify its length at all, nor does it justify not aging up Ash, or letting him change in any way. How is the series consistent when Ash’s Pikachu is on the level of the Elite Four Pokemon only to suddenly be struggling with the first gym in the next region?
I don't think it's accurate to compare Pokemon to FIFA/MADDEN because at the very least each new pokemon game creates a completely new world to explore and while the core gameplay does stay the same they do add small changes to it with every new game it's not just adding new pokemon to the same game over and over again that being said tho I do agree with most of what you said, the gameplay loop has gotten stale and they don't innovate enough and even tho the games look better and are more open they have lost a lot of there charm from back in the day like just comparing the amount of base content between BW2 to the latest games SV it's night and day we were getting way more content and better quality content before compared to now and the main issues with Digimon games in my opinion is a lack of consistency, with Pokemon when ever there is a new game you can always rely on the info you learned in previous games I.E. what Pokemon evolve into or what moves they learn, with digimon you can't rely on any info you learned in previous games because they keep changing the rules so if you have a favorite digimon and you are playing the game blind you might not get it because the info you thought you knew wasn't correct in this game
yep i agree 100%. I loved digimon as a kid same with pokemon , but as i got older i started to realize that when it comes to the story telling of digimon there is alot more to it. Especially when it comes to the anime and the digidestined as they grow Through out each season. i personally call it also alot darker than pokemon cause the stakes are that much higher than pokemon usually is outside of the Movies. Game wise digimon is just intresting in its own right. Even though they usually try something new , and it doesnt always work out. but its fun in its own way. I've personaly reached a point that i have stopped playing pokemon since scarlet and violet unless they bring something new and intresting , But digimon i will keep coming back to.
One look into Konaka's notes about Digimon Tamers shows how much more heart and soul was put into it compared to Pokémon. Its a shame too, because it seems like the GameFreak employees want to make Pokémon into something better, but are constantly stopped by Nintendo and GameFreak's red tape.
I vastly prefer Digimon. There is no doubt wich anime is DECENT and wich is AWFUL. I believe other pokemon-like games do it better (Temtem, Coromon and so on). I love Digimon World 1... But none of the digimon games are better then Pokemon (if you not consider the bug glitch mess that is Scarlet & Violet).
The thing that made the Pokémon anime was the game. Everyone in school that didnt already had *insertpokemonhere* would get it after the new episode aired and showed that same Pokémon. Like, the anime dictaded which new Pokémon i would catch
To be fair about the gyms that was kinda the point ash was an idiot beginning trainer who didn’t know crap. But he improved massively by the Johto arc although the season was a lot slower but he improved and actually beat Gary fair and square.
Imo, it's very simple. Pokemon has the advantage of maintaining a stable pattern, which allows it to easily keep a fan base because they know what to expect. The downside being that it gets stale. If you played one Pokemon game, you played them all. If you watched one episode of the Anime (at least during Ash), you know what to expect from there. It sticks to what is safe and familiar, but it doesn't try to grow or improve. Digimon is different and fresh every time it appears. Ever anime season is different from each other, with different plots and different goals. There are several different game series with different game styles and never reusing the same stale storyline over and over again. You won't know what to expect just because you played a different Digimon game before. (It also helps add replay value and entertainment factor that Divining can sign love into more than just one thing. Digivolving is basically like if every single digimon had the gimmick of Eevee.
Also, while I'll give you that the Digimon Anime's overcome trouble and save the world plot was more compelling than Pokemon's, that the Digimon show was better than Pokemon's, Digimon's show was not in a vacuum. Pokemon's was fairly distinctive. What Digimon did, Monster Rancher did better, Godzilla The Series did better. In Digimon the human children were little but cheerleaders who contributed nothing else to fighting monsters, which is a problem when evil monsters to fight are 99% of your problems. In Monster Rancher Genki was both a trainer to his monster and he physically supported his team in battle, putting his life on the line. In Godzilla, the humans were scientists who helped figure out enemy monster weaknesses and motivations, and negotiators who kept other humans from making the situation worse. Digimon got around this problem by season three of the show, with card swipe, bio merging, with a monster hunting agency trying and sometimes succeeding at building anti monster weaponry, but too little too late! Digimon actually solved this with his very first Manga, where actually raising your monster from an egg and strategizing in battle was key to success, and again with V-Tamer 01, it's second manga, which further built on this with non verbal communication uplinks to better strategize monster battles while keeping the human out of harm's way, but all Bandai Namco writers seemed to take away from this was "There was a Dragon and Dog, we need a Dragon and a Dog in Our comic/cartoon too" until Digimon Tamers finally realized like maybe those first two manga were so well liked because the humans actually served a purpose on this adventure and there weren't so many main characters to juggle around? Again, while the Pokemon anime wasn't particularly good, and only got worse as seasons went by, there wasn't another example of a monster battle league doing everything it did but better until Monster Rancher's final season.
bro do u remember xyz! that was one of the most epic anime in the pokemon history? why r u comparing pokemon's less powered work with digis most powerful work
As someone who loves both I can agree in some of this but must disagree heavly in others. Anime: Yes, Digimon has a real story and even the Monster of the Day episodes contribute to the plot. Far more dramitic and with high stakes and not just a looser version of the game plot with some pet aspect between dogfights. BUT newer entries in the Pokemon animations are far better tahn the old ones and by far not all of the Digimon ones land a mark even on fans as they aren't well planed. For every Masterpiece as Tamers there is a flop like the Adventure remake or even Ghost Game, that started great but then had no story at all. Movies: Nope. Most Digimon movies are just some glorified side adventures that are ignored by the rest of the ongoing ones in the anime. And yes most of the Pokmeon ones are as well, but that is the overall style of the show, so it just fits in great with (mostly) better action, story and animation to boot. Some (like the 1. or 2.) are even great storys on their own. Where I can't remember a really good, heck even a not disapointing Digimon movie, they break the flow up or are meaningless at best and are stupid retcons with animation below the moe and isekai -blobs of the season at worst. The ratings come rom hardcore fans, because that are the only ones who watched them and Pokemon movies get theirs from all kinds of people (well mostly parents) just cause the franchiseis so, so much bigger. So fans, haters and people who don't care agains fans only, will give a disjunked rating profile. Games: Digimon World (PSX) is easily in the top 3 of my most loved games ever and was great. I liked cyber sleuth, even if it felt like a worse shin megami tensei and will die on the hill that DW 2 +3 are still good games in their rites. Still they will lose out to the possibleties of Pokemon games alone, even if they are buggy as hell, don't innovate more than half an aspect at a time. Some spinoffs do great and are even more diverse in genres than Digimon (where you don't do one thing but throw all 3-5 years something on the wall and hope it sticks) like Mystery Dungeon, Conquest, Snap, Pokken, Legends (not called spinoff, but ffs it is). Overall Digimon is more .. edgy, hardcore, mature, dramatic and less handholdy, consitent, childfriendly and easy to get around. With Pokemon you can just consume most of it as a timefiller and find a few gems in the mediocrity and with Digimon you have to look out and try get the real good ones that give you an impression for years or get unlucky and sit thrue Sukamons wet dreams and do your best to forget that.
nah, this guy clearly knows nothing about both franchises. He can't even come out with a solid reason to support his statement. if you are a Digimon/Pokemon fan, you will quickly catch how shallow is his knowledge on both franchises. Digimon adventure is easily the most memorable part of the franchise and after the first season Digimon kinda lost direction because it doesn't really have a clear goal. Pokemon are pretty consistent in term of manga, anime and games. This is what makes pokemon much easier to be understand and accepted.
I find it odd how people say, at this point, Digimon lost direction, despite it clearly being an anthology series. I don't see people look at Final Fantasy and go "Man, after the first few games the series just totally lost direction".
Things might be different now. Pokemon and Digimon were introduced in the late 90s, nearly around the same time. I don't know much about Digimon but i do watch the first season. Consistency is what make pokemon succeed, to summarise the first 19 season of pokemon is all about Ash ketchum dream of becoming a pokemon master. in order to be the very best, he need to battle with some of the best trainers including gym leader and the elite 4 members. Pokemon also introduce the evolution line, Types and movepool. The video game really help the audience to better understand this part. so even if there's new pokemon being introduce, just from a glance we can make a guess what is the pokemon type and the pokemon move set. This is because they all share a lot of similarities. For Digimon, the first season is about a group of kids that got trapped inside the digital world and try to find a way home. The second season is about a group of kids trying to save the digital world from a Digimon that enslaving other Digimon. If I'm not mistaken, Digimon also have types along with the evolution and movepool. Since the game didn't really help the audience to learn more about the Digimon it self, this is kinda hard for people to understand Digimon. I still questioning myself about my gabumon evolving into seadramon and I don't know what other moves does it have other than the blueflame and horn attack. so you see i use the lost direction term because i don't understand what Digimon is all about. in conclusion, both franchises might look the same but actually they are completely different from one to another. so i can't say that this one is better or worse than the other one because we can't compare something that's totally different.
I just...I can't keep supporting a franchise that once had heart behind it, but now just coasts on its popularity, cuts corners in the worst ways, and seems to be one of the industry's worst cases of dev crunch. If it's beyond criticism now because it just prints money then I guess it doesn't need my support. I'm mixed on the Digimon franchise, but I do like that it tries different things. I really need to try Palworld because I've heard great things about it.
4:40 its worse than that: Pokemon Master isn't an official term with an official objective. Ash wanted to be a Pokemon Master, but the series never once tries to define what that actually means. Its just a vague term used to justify dragging ash along long after his journey should realistically have ended.
Which is why Digimon sucks though, the world is always in danger and someone needs to save it, keeping it on a small scale (like Pokemon) just keeps it more engaging and somehow less repetitive
Im gonna say it digimon games r shit, i LOVE digimon with all my heart but there games is not for me, thats y i made my own digimon game ❤ Also u forgot there mangas, And to defend pokemon a little bit, mega form, z moves, giganax and dynamax, just pointing out how there not just copy and paste
No it's not. Pokemon Red and Blue were a couple of unbalanced, buggy messes that hid too many of their mechanics from the player, but I'll take them a thousand times over that Tamagotchi rip off that were the Digimon virtual pets. Pokemon's first console game was basically sticking Red-Blue-Yellow into the Nintendo 64, but Digimon's first console game was basically the virtual pet on the Sega Saturn. Seriously, give me that Pikachu pet any day. That one came with some fun games! Bandai Namco had a chance to do something special from the very launch of the property, but Digimon was a cheap cash in they didn't realize the true potential of. The franchise didn't deserve those two V Jump magazine comics Hiroshi Tazawa and Tenya Habuno gave them, and not surprisingly those two manga are the only things Bandai Namco used the two best writers/artists Digimon has ever had for. Obviously there are some things I do like about Digimon and dislike about Pokemon, but no, Pokemon are the superior games, even if it did take their main series four entries to come up with a good combat system, even with their reduction in new monsters in favor of gimmicks, even with the glitchy messes of old coming back with a vengeance on the Switch. Battling trading Pokemon was always more rewarding than likewise with Digimon. Catching, leveling up, then breeding the Pokemon more rewarding than "raising" the virtual pet. Pokemon never did anything also lazy as switch some lines around on a monster's fur pattern, change one letter in its name and call it a new species! Pokemon had some lazy evolutions like Voltorb-Electrode, but even that looks like effort next to Monochromon-Vermillimon in virtual pets that don't even have color. Gotsumon-Icemon-Meteromon don't look any different when there is color! Pokemon may have had biased an unnecessary extra "mega" evolution but Digimon did that within one year of its existence, showing Bandai Namco was already running short on ideas! Yeah, Digimon, credit, mixes up their video games. So does Pokemon actually. There's Pokemon Conquest, pinball, snap, rumble, mystery dungeon, dash, go, masters, ranger, puzzle league, legends, Pokepark, Pokken, a cooking game, a detective game, a fish jumping game a card battle game and not all of these mix ups have been good, but more than enough have fine enough deviations for those who want something different from the "main" pair series or do not even like said main series.
The Problem Is That RJ Is Only Talking About The First Season Of Pokemon Not The Actual Seasons That Do Exactly What He's Talking About Like The Diamond And Pearl Anime And The XYZ Anime Key Examples Is In Gen 4 Infernape's Up Rising From Being An Abused Mon Both Physically And Mentally Or In XYZ The Bond And Story Of Greninja And Ash Or The Fact That In The Team Flare Arc Someone Actually Dies Essentially So I Can See The Points RJ Is Making For The First Season But For Seasons Like The DP Anime And XYZ Anime Then I Do Think Pokemon Is Better. Movies: I Don't Really Have Anything To Say About The Movies Since I've Seen 0 Digimon Movies. Games: I Actually Do Agree Here A Little Since Even Tho I Never Played Any Of The Digimon Games I Do Like How There Willing To Try New Things Something Pokemon Should Do More Often Since They Have Millions Of Dollars And They Remove Gimmicks With Every New Generation Like Mega Evolution Z-Moves And So On Every New Gen Is A New Gimmick But The Same Game Which Isn't Really That Bad Because Of How Customizable There Go To Is And I Honestly Think That In My Opinion They Should Have Kept Only Mega-Evolution And Z-Moves Since There The Most Essential Gimmicks To The Lore Of The Franchise But Change The Core Of The Games From Time To Time Or Enhance Upon Them Like Pal World Did But Still Keep It Relatively The Same But Still Changed.
He is lying about the movies i checked and the pokemon rating had larger sample size compared to digimons smaller size. Not only that he keeps miss representing pre- ps digimon and the anime with just rudimentary plot.i also think he has never seen pokemon and its spinoff or digimon anime .
@@bewarebewear1507 That Is True And I Feel Like Pokemon's Bread And Butter Is So Customizable That's Why They Barely Change It And Even Tho I Said What I Said In My Comment I Actually Don't Mind The Games I Like Them And A TH-camr Called Internet Pit Stop Made A Good Point That Game Freak Probably Want To Make These Games Great But Do To Constant Deadlines From Nintendo Who Doesn't Care They Can't But I Hope Legends Z-A Changes That.
@@jamta69 I Feel Like RJ Is Just Going Off Of The First Season Of Pokemon Assuming The Other Seasons Are Exactly The Same As The First Season Without Watching Them First And As For The Movies I Don't Know Why He Lied About The Ratings Since Someone Could Just Look It Up Like You Did.
To be fair, your points on the anime is valid and the Pokémon anime itself is like the game as how you say it , its the same thing over and over and what I mean by this is they kept resseting ash 💀, while in digimon , you get different main character, and its also got more mature over time. Aside from the anime , your take on the game is something I wouldn't agree with since one of the charm of Pokémon is them being easy to get into since its the same thing with almost every instalments with additional gimmick while digimon doesn't have a core game even though people like the world style digimon game. I will say this though , some of the gimmick Pokémon had literally seems like they were taken from digimon i swear to god 😂 (Mega-Burst mode(D) ,Burst Mode(P)-Spirit Digivolution)
I love both so I'm gonna be neutral on this so please don't hurt me guys. The anime: There is no winner and loser, both has its flaws but still good anime nonetheless, beauty is subjective anyway but let's get into the big deal; Ash all throughout the series seems to not age meanwhile in Digimon, you can feel that the story moves because in the recent movies, we get to see Taichi and the gang grows old. I believe in Pokémon's defense is that it is just artistic choice that Ash didn't look old even though the series span up to 27 years now, I said artistic choice that Ash is this way because he is even way younger than his original form when he finally wins and become the very best. Though you could say that even though the series is 27 years, maybe Ash just finish it all in like 3 to 5 years in his time just like how is Luffy is only in 2-4 years in his adventures even though the anime is 25 years old. The game: Gamefreak's motto is if it's not broken, don't fix it. That's why we've seen the game up to until this day with turn-based mechanics, because fans of the game will still play it. If that's the case then why Palworld suddenly becomes relevant? Because it could have been Pokémon's greatest evolution. One Digimon can have 800+ different evolution path, Pokémon fans indulge themselves into fusing Pokémons with one another wanting to see the infinite potential in each fusion. If turn-based is actually the hots then why we have Pokémon Reloaded, Pokkén and Unite piques the interest of Pokémon fans, there is even an auto-chess battler. If I'm being honest, the fans keeps the franchise alive.
@@ultimativerHexer This Is Actually Wrong Since The Pokemon Anime Is Different When You Watch Sinnoh And Kalos That Focuses On Both The Characters And There Mons Like The Bond Ash And Greninja Forged Trying To Master Battle Bond And Infernape's Up Rising From Being Abused By Paul Mentally And Physically Trying To Get His Blaze-Form To Come Out To Overcoming It With Ash And Mastering Hie Blaze-Form.
Really? do you know about the episode that mostly follows a single litten doing what it can, despite the trouble it will get into, to make the last days of a dying pokemon special. do you know about the episode that is about a young girl who's father had gone missing for years, only to find him living in a totally mind fogged state with an alien. Do you know about the episode where a character joins a group of adventurers on a sky ship to avoid gangsters that are after her for reasons she doesn't know, and not because of her partner pokemon. oh and these gangers are actually good at what they do, and are an actual threat that put her life in danger. Not a single word about her going to gyms or becoming a pokemon master. Sure a lot of episodes do have a pokemon of the week set up, but they know this and use this formulae to subvert expectations or tie into a characters, character growth journey.
Fan of both serues here. I prefer Pokemon hands down though. I respect your arguments ✌️ For the gym leader one anime vs games; I don't agree with your reasonings. The anime gave a view of what the games would be like when brought to life. How trainers differed etc. That there is more to being a good trainer than just beating other trainers with your Pokemon. Caring for your mons and such is just as equally important. Also to counter the same point. Ash does lose. To other trainers, to gym leaders, to the league competitors. Losing/failure is a good lesson. And yes, he is a slacker, but that ties in with the previous point-- he fails; which leads to growth. By the end of his journey he isn't the same slacker. Core parts of his character stay with him. As that's who he is, but he is way more disciplined and such. Also, mediums such as the anime and manga do a great job of bringing the games to life while straying from the rules of said games. The authors even praised that fact as it gives the worlds more life. More points to add, but again I am a fan of both 🤟 To each their own.
While I disagree on the point of Digimon being superior to Pokémon in every way, I will concede to a few points. 1. The Digimon protagonists had to face consistently higher stakes and had to become better. Ash Ketchum never needed to grow so urgently and took much longer to learn from his mistakes (assuming the writers let him remember). 2. Digimon seem to consistently scale higher in power than Pokémon. Ultimate and Mega Forms are no joke; those forms may need help or special items to achieve but the capabilities are incredible. 3. Digimon protagonists were more willing to get directly involved in fights than Pokémon trainers. They might not have been powerhouses but they showed a lot of guts and cunning far more often.
couldn't agree more! The only sad thing is that we don't have a real digidestin game. One digimon one human and just figuring out different 800 different ways to evolve them
I would absolutely love a game like that, going full-blown digi destined
@@ThatGuyRJChannel Try the fangames as Digimon Nova Red or Emerald for that case!
We do digimon world championship , a pet raring touch and scroll. Also digimon world 1 and 2
I'm going to be doing Let's Plays of them, since I've cancelled my Crystal Travelogue and my Renegade Platinum, VoltWhite and VoltWhite 2 planned Role-Play Challenges and I didn't know what I wanted to do with Emerald anyway, so I figured Digimon Emerald it is then! And now we have Digimon Crystal... so I guess I'm doing that after all then... I was going to do Nova Red anyway, but I'm going to restart it, since I had an older version before and it would be easier!
digimon world for ps1 does exactly that. theres a reboot called next order i think that does the same but you have 2 instead of one.
The og Digimon show was too good to be true. All the boys (idk how old we were, maybe 8) gathered around after school.. it was AMAZING. Missing an episode was not an option. There were no sick days and of course.. every single one of the boys was connected to one of the main characters.
And you still like Digimon nowadays or it is just nostalgia talking there?
@Khyze Nowadays? I don't really like Digimon nor Pokemon 😅
@@captainobvious8037 Yeah, the thing is that neither of them are good 😅 Pokemon has longer playability on it's main games but it is mainly based on luck, it has a fan made MMO called PokeMMO that did it better, still is time consuming but no luck involved 😅
As a digimon fan i just don’t think this was the best argument for them. That being said one reason digimon games are held back is they don’t really have a core game/gameplay to stick to the one i saw the most is three mons on your team with thousands of moves and mons to build your team (dusk and dawn, cyber sleuth). Digimon is too slow at releasing games to matter. I would put pokemon as comfort food vs digimon experimenting long cook meals. The hardest part of digimon is well the difficulty to get into everything, pokemon is one world, digimon has at over six different digital worlds all different with their own lore (anime series, games, and databook entries).
I can see that, and I definitely wish they released games faster. But I also feel like the speed at which Pokemon releases games is part of its own issue, as it never takes the time to truly innovate, just update its roster like a FIFA/Madden game.
@@ThatGuyRJChannel I kinda agree, and I feel like the whole national dex fiasco in Sword and Shield really exemplified the fast paced movement when releasing games too quickly.
Sadly its not only the game, the english translation of the anime was.. oh holy shit, a am happy with my local translation, after i watched it with subs in tortuga, i finally saw what good job they actually did.
The english version? What a shitshow.
Rewatch it with subs, holy that thing is deep for the actuall aimed audiance
His arguments are really arguments more than they just are bitter complaining. He had me within the anime series, but lost me when it came to the movies and games. Both Pokemon and Digimon movies are average ratings, but he used Digimon having SLIGHTLY better ratings as a winning argument against pokemon, which is a pretty weak argument. Then he goes on about the games, only to referrence Jaiden's video, where she brings up all of the community's complaints about the games, tries out a game herself and complains about it, and says, "I love the digimon! But I'm still battered and bruised. At least I gave it a try!" Even RJ says, "I may not pick up every Digimon game, but when I feel like it, I'll give one of them a try." Which again, is NOT a very compelling argument to say Digimon is better. The only compelling arguments he had were about the Anime. Even though his arguments about the animes were only about the very first seasons of both animes, which date back nearly 30 YEARS AGO, which shows a nostalgia argument, and again, is compelling for people with nostalgia, but in the grand scheme of both franchises, it still isn't that great of an argument, even if I may agree with him. I'm the kind of person who can look at things from a grand scheme and bigger picture, then break it down. Not focus on just something from almost 30 years ago. Lol. Even I only agree with his anime arguments because I have nostalgia. Lol. So I ain't even a credible person to be argue which is better. However, I can say: Pokemon has consistency with its gameplay, Digimon does not. Majority of Pokemon fans will come back to the franchise and play the new main series title of games. Digimon fans MAY "try" the new game that's released. And since he focused so heavily on movie ratings, I'd say Pokemon is the superior gaming franchise due to the consistent playerbase that keeps coming back and playing the games. So if we want to argue numbers make a franchise better than another, then Pokemon always wins. So yeah, his arguments are very lackluster and you can easily poke holes in them, which isn't great for credibility. But again, he seems quite bitter, so he should work on that. And like Jaiden said at the end of her video: Digimon fans, ya'll need therapy.
@@Jake38nine I find Jaiden's video kinda odd. For one, I'm pretty sure she basically figured out that she *should* start with Cyber Sleuth but didn't. Secondly, for a series that's over 2 decades old with multiple games... maybe as a Pokemon fan she doesn't quite get this but saying there is no general singular concensus on what's the best Digimon game and finding issue with it is like looking at footbal and going "why doesn't everyone just cheer who won the last 3 Super Bowls"? Granted even Pokemon's fandom have the Genwunners or the people who say the old games were better.
Let me kick down the door and yell, "SOMEONE forgot Pokémon Mystery Dungeon," before calmly putting the door back up and leaving.
This is not an argument for either side (though I would argue that I prefer Pokémon designs over Digimon's). I just feel like that the PMD series is one of the more important Pokémon spin-offs.
Seems kinda unfair to include most of digimon's spin off and not pokemon though, I'm a Digimon fan and there are two main digimon series World and Story and they mostly don't change from a game to another (beside visuals). every Story game has the same scan to generate capture, and SMT combat, every World game has that V-pet inspiration (and plz don't look at the english titles the japanese are the right ones) That said Story Cybersleuth and its sequel are better than most Pokemon games imo.
Funny thing is that digimon did mystery dungeon before pokemon only I think we can all agree fans on both sides, pokemon's dungeon crawler is better.
@@reicherwallace6774 i playee digimon's dungeon crawlet games years before i heard of mystery dungeon and yeah.. i had a blast more with pokémon's personally
@@deezidibbs9796 As a hardcore digimon fan, that dungeon crawler was undercooked and too slow. I'd love to see a second attempt at it though. Just so long as they don't try to truamatize me with their level cap nonsense again.
@@reicherwallace6774 What game are you talking about ? I'm really curious, the closest to a mystery dungeon before Pokemon MD that I found is World 4 and it looks more like an ARPG. Not that Pokemon ever came up with the concept anyway the genre was born more that ten years before.
As a kid and even now I adored both. The anime of digimon especially the first 3 seasons was absolute fire. The Pokémon games and collecting adventure thing was out of this world though. Pokémon did so many more things more right that’s why it stayed relevant till today
Digimon is still very relevant in Japan.
Relevant atleast in the east
Sorry but I think this comparison is so flawed on so many levels, and I'm on the digimon side...
The Anime part is just the first season and about the movies its just some scores.
And the games don't work either. If you say you ignore the spinoff games for pokemon, you have to do this for digimon.
But whats the "main line game" for digimon? Digimon World 1-4? The other Digimon World series aka the pet raising sims? Digimon Story? The VPets? You praise digimon for bringing up variety, yet force a one sided rule to cut out variety from Pokemon.
And nobody in their right mind would want such drastic changes to the games they love. While I agree that some features could spice up the main line pokemon games, we want a monster collecter with turn based strategic combat. Not a survival game with guns. Thats why we have spin offs.
And to be serious, I don't think the Digimon devs have any idea what good gameplay is. The story is usually what carries these games.
All story games have shit tunnel/maze levels with nothing that worth calling level design. The combat is as basic as FF1(element weaknesses, basic status effects like poison sleep...). Pokemon Red/Blue had deeper combat and they evolved it over years. Digimon games did not evolved. They sticked to the same issues or tried to do something new like survive. Again, great story, basic gameplay at best(this time with tactics ogre style). Even the pet raising games are lacking. Next Order reduces the variety compared to World 1. No minigames or puzzles. Just Beat X, get me Item Y or talk to Z.
And in general, Pokemon also beats Digimon in overall worldbuilding. While the story is usually the strong point of digimon, every game or anime is seperated. Its like they sold the IP to different teams each time and everyone just did what came up their mind and besides the digimon themself there where no limits.
Even the Adventure movies don't respect anything from the old anime. They take the characters and put them into a mostly disconnected story.
Wholeheartedly agree with "Its like they sold the IP to different teams each time and everyone just did what came up their mind and besides the digimon themself there where no limits." it reminds me of Gundam where there are Multiple series and spinoffs but not an overarching story-world like Pokemon. Sure, you can argue "They're different timelines and dimensions." but really? making an entire series of different world-building and characters WITH THE SAME IP? Pokemon is more consistent.
The person who made the video is to ignorent to reply he can't handle that Digimon is lesser than Pokemon so he heat on Pokemon to make Digimon look better, but that only make it look worse
This is like saying "Sonic is better than Pokemon because every single entry is a different game!" when one of the biggest problems with the franchise is that every single entry is a different game. So they have to spend more time setting up the new engines and stuff instead of polishing the game, itself.
There's a reason why Pokemon games have a thriving competitive community and the Cyber Sleuth games just don't.
You are absolutely insane. The anime of Digimon mogs the entirety of the Pokemon series and it isn't even close. You aren't even mentioning Digimon Tamers at all. Which, alone, solos the entire Pokemon franchise in terms of writing and character development. The characters feel like real people, and actually grow and change. Takato's character development beats Ash's in every way possible. So does Taichi's, and the rest of the crew from the first three seasons of the Digimon anime. They all have their ups and downs, conflicts with each other, and relatable goals, and aspirations, instead of feeling like one note caricatures. The Pokemon kids don’t feel real, they feel like corporately created mascots that never grow or change and recycle the same plot beats over and over again. Do I even need to mention Ash “dying” for the fiftieth movie in a row to attempt to get the same emotional reaction as when it happened in the very first Pokemon movie?
As for world-building, it's not even close. Digimon easily beats Pokemon in world-building. The Digimon lore has so many different histories, characters, factions, situations, cultures, religions, etc to make an interesting story out of. From off the top of my head, Digimon has: The Royal Knights, The Seven Demon Lords, Nightmare Soldiers, D-Brigade, Devas, Sovereigns, Bagra Army, Chaos Generals, Legend Arms, the Angelic Army, Crack Team, Olympos XII, I could go on and on. The Digimon can talk, have their own feelings, and can live entirely separate lives from their Tamers, enough to make their own groups.
There's mountains of lore for the Digimon world that feel far more cohesive and narratively thought out than Pokemon's world-building. Pokemon, by comparison, is a completely boring, and perfect utopia. There's no danger anywhere, all the evil villains are cowardly and powerless, and outside of them; all there is in terms of conflict is simply misunderstandings or playful rivalries that don’t have any heat to them. We’re somehow supposed to suspend belief that these superpowered creatures that can destroy entire mountains aren’t wiping out people by the thousands the moment that someone steps outside of a city. But no, somehow this world survived, and thrived to the point of utopian idealism. Only recently in Pokemon Legends Arceus has this even been remotely close to addressed. The entire world thus feels empty and devoid of anything intriguing or interesting. GameFreak is deathly afraid of making a cohesive world for Pokemon because they are so risk averse and instead only make the same rushed, poorly made, and boring stories every four to five years. The fanbase can’t stand actual world-building either. The fans threw a massive fit over just simple legends that were in the GameFreak leaks that resemble real world mythology. On the anime side of things, it’s just as inconsistent. Ash’s Pikachu is on the level of elite four Pokemon by the ending of each series, only to be thrust back down to the level of a first born Pokemon again just so that Ash doesn’t cake walk the entire region.
Digimon beats Pokemon narratively, world-building wise, and character design wise. I don’t know how this is even a debate.
@@mitchsorenstein630 Not every series needs a massive, overarching story that never ends. Pokemon’s story is only still going because of the massive amount of money Pokemon generates. The series doesn’t justify its length at all, nor does it justify not aging up Ash, or letting him change in any way. How is the series consistent when Ash’s Pikachu is on the level of the Elite Four Pokemon only to suddenly be struggling with the first gym in the next region? Final Fantasy is a massively popular series that changes up the world and characters in order to prevent it from becoming too stale.
from outsider who doesn't care about monster capture game Pokemon's monster design is easier to look at than Digimon design so judged by cover people would choose Pokemon more than Digimon
I prefer Digimon's art style, I prefer Pokemon's art direction. I like Digmon's preference towards fearsome, sleek, painful, scary. They emphasize a lot more that their monsters fight...but Pokemon's got more variety in it's monster shapes. It could stand to have more variety still, in my opinion. For a creature COLLECTOR it has too many bipeds, but there are still jellyfish, spiders, octopi, ants, coral, ice cream cones, sunfish, amoeba, disk fish, sauropods, sea horses, gasbags, sea stars, lamprey, cicada, leeches, oysters, hippos, whales, buffalo, crabs, camels, it's pretty good!
Why are there so few aquatic or marine Digimon? If Pokemon has too many bipeds, then Digimon is drowning in them! And so many knock offs! I like dinosaurs and all but hey look, it's Agumon but black, and Agumon, but white, and Agumon with round nostrils, and Greymon, but black, and Greymon, but blue, and Metal Greymon with a gun instead of missiles, and Metal Greymon but blue, and Blue Metal Greymon with a tail knife! Enough already, where's the new sea monster? Seadramon, again? Not even Seadramon with a new helmet?
I agree with you, Pokemon is certainly easier on the eye, even some of the digimon designers tried to make them looked more simplified but they lost their charms that way. Marketting wise yes Pokemon does won in that field, but for creativity and originality Digimon definitely had the upper hand, because they are going for a very traditional “monster” fearsome ugly imperfect beasts designs. I like to describe them as perfectly imperfect.
@@Freezient Digimon has the trope of "Just add weapons to it", which isn't very creative when you continue to give every digimon a final digivolution with just weapons or guns attached to it. Pokemon has the creative variety because they don't rely upon one trope with every Pokemon and every Pokemon is unique. You kinda get tired of seeing animals and lizards with guns attached to them. It kinda just blends them altogether. Pokemon has like only 3 Pokemon I can think of that actually wield weapons: Blastoise, Zacian, and Sirfetch'd. But nearly every Digimon has a weapon or is mechanized by the final digivolution. Can't we just have a straight up beast of a digimon with no weapons involved? Like SaberLeomon? But by today's standards, that's probably "out of meta".
@ Not really, not every Digimon has weapons, this is very meme level digimon knowledge
Oversleeping and not doing anything to fulfil your dreams is so relatable actually
Fair enough, Gamewise i think pokemon wins in concistency, Digimon games (tho good) kinda change their formula every other year.
However the digimon anime blows pokemon out of the water, a constant adventure that focuses on a pretty big cast that ( while doing the whole fun adventure with monster friends thing) also deal with tough kids subject matter , abandonment issues, death of loved ones, growing a hero complex that ends up hurting the people you are trying to protect. really great stuff & intersesting to revisit. Pokemon tho?..
i mean i love team rocket but oh my various collectable monster gods, hearing them do the motto, fail at capturing the mon of the day and/or Pikachu then "blasting off again" more times than i can count makes me want to blast myself off.+ factory resetting Ash & Pikachu betwean seasons instead of changing protags like the manga (new MC Liko looks neat tho)
Anyway nice vid dude, good takes, keep it up
Digimon is unironically Cyberpunk Narnia
I actually love that comparison, and I think it's amazing
I mean-
here’s a thing
I’m a huge Digimon fan, I love every aspect of Digimon , whether it’s the design, the games, the manga/novel, or the anime
but I’ll be honest here, I hugely disagree on your opinion that state Pokémon hasn’t improved or never changed over the years, all your focused aspects was on the battle mechanics, which is turn-base, yes
but, don’t you forgot, Pokémon also improved their quality of life over the time ever since Gen 2 up until Gen 9 recently
Gen 2 introduced the core mechanics which used in modern game such as day/night cycle, friendship, held item, BUT!!! Gen 2 also introduce us to Radio, Crafting (with Apicorns), and most importantly, Story Continuity that ties to the previous game, this is innovation tbh
Gen 3? they introduced us to Contest which is completely different than Pokémon Battle, also Secret Bases
Gen 4? you know Poké Walker? the tamagotchi-like that ties to HGSS games? that’s one thing, but they also introduced us to PokéAthlon which made us partook in Olympic-like sports game in HGSS too, also in Sinnoh we have Underground and Distortion World, which is a new concept at the time
Gen 5? have you play both Gen 5 & Gen 7? they are the most story-based Pokémon games ever, parts where you said they are "repetitive" and "non-creative" stops here actually, these 4 games have the most explorable region ever with most of post game contents that we could explore without getting bored with
Gen 6 introduced us to "Styles", whether it’s costume changes, roller skate tricks, or even the various side-jobs we could partook IN THE GAME
Gen 8 introduced us to Rotom PC where we could employ our Pokémon to do jobs, heck even if the battle mechanic itself in these games are quite innovative, SWSH with big stadium battle and Legends Arceus with action-based combat, if you complain about graphic.technical issues, just play Sword & Shield then
Gen 9 introduced us to Let’s Go feature and Syncro Machine where we can explore the world as Pokémon
all of which, are presents in most of Digimon games such as World or Story series, again to clarify myself, I’m not a Pokémon fan, but I do enjoy both franchise while being a Digimon fan myself
You're clearly being bias here, and dare I say 'hating on Pokémon'. I couldn't even finished the video after talking about the anime. Ash won the first gym because Brock saw that Ash is a genuine person who didn't want to win while his Onix was at an unfair disadvantage. Ash won the second gym because he saved the gym and the Pokémon from Team Rocket. He won the 4th gym because Sabrina became a happier person....and because Kadabra was literally "unable to battle", therefore losing against Ash. Won the 5th gym because Ash risked his neck to save Erika's most beloved Pokémon. And regarding the last gym, HE WON THAT FAIR AND SQUARE. Team Rocket played dirty, Ash played at their own rules and won. You can't say Ash only won 3 gyms when technically he won 4 by batting and 4 by being a decent human being. If the anime were to follow the rules of the games to a T, I doubt the show would still have continued on to this day.
Not to mention you left out so much regarding other aspects of the show aside from Gym battles. You talked about the "emotional" aspects of didgimon and the character growth but left out how Ash had actually grown as a character. He's saved different Pokémon countless of times, helped out other trainers in need, even learned from his own mistakes and poor judgment of other trainers. Not to mention after the original series we would go on other adventures and be a mentor for other characters like May and Dawn. Pokémon had a lot of impactful moments that you completely neglected just to push your narrative. Now I'm not gonna say anything about didgimon because I have never seen it, but as someone who had watched Pokémon since they were young, your description of what occurs in the show is completely off and put in such a way that makes Pokémon looks shallow. Everyone can have their preferences, but to say one is better than the other and crap on the show you deem to be less is absolutely disrespectful.
C'mon, Ash is still 10 years old. Only after you watch the first season of Digimon you'll see the emotional diference between the two.
If you do, please watch the japanese version because the english ost is a disfavour.
@@pedrogoncalvesneto2451 so what if Ash doesn't age? Most animations don't have characters age. Take Bugs Bunny, Mickey Mouse, Garfield, Scooby-Doo, etc. as examples. The lack of character aging doesn't define the show's quality or lack of quality.
@@CartoonsEveryone You are right, aging doesn't mean the quality of a show. But all these characters you quoted have a veeery diferent nature and aproach to storytelling, and it's kind of a stretch to an argument. These were never supposed to be tied to rules in anyway. They are comedic and/or surreal. On the other hand, Pokémon wants you to get immersed in its fantasy world, have extensive lore about the creation of said world and characters, and have grounded rules about what are pokémon and the characters. And at the same time they don't flesh out these things like, how weird is it that ash doesn't age or mature in this world after almost 30 years worth of seasons of the anime? And I mean in a way both physically an mentally. Every season is almost like a reset just to show us new pokémon from a region, and it feels like Ash's growth is reseted too every time.
Just want complement that I love the pokémon games, and in the games this logic works, but this same logic applied to the anime breaks the immersion for me.
Now, this is a very subjective point.... but I'd have to say you are wrong..... not because one is better than the other.... but because the two franchises are so vastly different that it makes no sense to actually compare them....
I feel the Pokemon games are just so good with most of the issues with the games people have are less to do with the games themselves and the technical issues in the games. Personally, I feel the Pokemon games are way more fun and the fact that Gamefreak makes such great games is why the franchise lasted so long. And the controversy is the problems these great games have. For some, the issues ruin the games, for others, the issues aren't a big enough deal to ruin the games (to people calling fans idiots, they are just like Sheldon Cooper from TBBT except without his intelligence; they hate the idea that the stuff that bothers them doesn't bother other people...)
But the Digimon games are way too drastically different to say that they are better or worse...
When it comes to the creatures, I honestly love both, but they are also vastly different. One is a systematic world where every generation matches quite well and the gens around it sorta match, while the other is a f***ing hodge podge with a very loose system and freedom to what the Digimon can become...
Their worlds are vastly different, with Digimon being a pure fantasy world where anything can happen.... Pokemon on the other hand is a more real world with magic in it. It has lore, history and builds on it's self in a way our real world does.... Digimon has Lore too, but it feels like it's a fantasy world lore that just evolves.....
And their anime are drastically different, with the Pokemon anime being an episodic series that kept the lore and connections between episodes loose yet canon with the focus being more on the individual narratives than a large bigger narrative... while Digimon anime has a large over arching narrative with a focus on adventure with episodic episodes being a part of the bigger story.
Honestly, while both series have a bunch of monsters, "mon" in heir names and the monsters becoming allies with kids... there is very litter in common with these series.
They are so vastly different that comparing them feels stupid.
It's like comparing sea meat with land meat... both come from living creatures.... but the flavor profiles are so vastly different that comparing which is better seems stupid and it is instead just personal opinion......
RJ also just seems to be extremely bitter towards Pokemon. His arguments are extremely weak as well. He tries to argue Digimon is better, but then fails to even make really good points why. Most of his points prove how average Digimon is comparatively. Even his reference of Jaiden's video proves how average Digimon is. He even says he doesn't play every Digimon game, but when he feels like it, he will give the new game a try. That's NOT a very compelling argument to sell Digimon as better than Pokemon. Anyone with a brain would know that "Giving something a try" is more of a desperate plea than it is a compelling argument. You won't see any really good salesmen telling you to "just give it a try." because that wreaks of desperation. And RJ wreaks of bitterness.
What I adore most about Digimon is that the creatures themselves can revert back to being its pre evolution. Even though I prefer the monster designs of Pokemon more. I also love the world building and they constantly show that there's so much more to life than being a League Champion.
That's mainly an anime thing though, Digimon core games are the vpets, and that is permanent until they die and reborn, some mangas follow the same pattern, video games are mixed with it
Thing is, what Digimon lacks in is what Pokemon does better. I do love Digimon lore and I'm an absolute sucker for the Royal Knights, but Pokemon tops em Everytime
Pokemon lore is deep if you put an effort to google it. Digimon lore is fully intergrated in the story.
I strongly agree for the most part. I think I enjoy the Pokemon aesthetic more, but I haven't played a mainline Pokemon game since Sun & Moon. I loved Arceus though, and I want more games like that. I hope they continue strong with Legends Z-A.
Same, i am still hoping to this day for a new Pokemon Rangers Title..... Even though we didn't even get one for the Wii U which could have worked wonders, or the switch, which also could technically work if you play handheld mode. Also Mystery Dungeon is also with the Story pretty nice (Time,Darkness and SKy)
@@masterjoful Sadly, I don't think we're getting anymore Ranger or Mystery Dungeon games... I'd even take another remake of PMD: Explorers like they did for PMD: Rescue Team, but it's seeming less-and-less likely as time goes on (though they did re-release PMD: Red Rescue Team on GBA for Switch Online, but I think that's a cash grab to entice people to upgrade to more expensive plan for Switch Online more than anything else).
@@PyraJya-Luquay Yeah thats the sad part Imo.
10:33 Pokemon legends Arceus has crafting, along with open word battles to some extent, it also has a mostly open world, a chance to 'die', strong and agile style moves, the story is completely different this time, and more.
And Pokemon Scarlet and Violet have raid battles, a completely open world, you can make sandwiches for your Pokemon/take care of them, there's open world mini battles, there's a small crafting mechanic, you can go to school and make friends with the teachers to gain items, if DLC is counted there's a fun multiplayer mechanic with ditto hunting, there's a way to run around as the Pokemon themselves, a story that's original and unlike any other pokemon game, ECT.
Saying that Palworld has so much more mechanics than Pokemon is disingenuous. And not bringing up how glitchy Palworld is on PC (a thing with the best hardware in the gaming sphere, unlike the switch with some of the worst) is also kinda disingenuous.
And accusing Pokemon of ripping off dragon quest because of 'similar looking monsters' is absurd. Unlike Palworld that uses the same exact color schemes as Pokemon on pals that look similar in build to other pokemon, and even have some identical models if the primariana hair is to be believed, when Pokemon "copies" dragon quest it's just both companies doing a simple idea that could be thought of on its own. Like Zubat and the dragon quest bat are just bats. For a vast majority of comparisons in your picture, the only similarities between the counterparts is that they're based off the same creature. Is Agumon a rip off of Charmander because they're both orangish lizards? Is gatomon a rip off of Meowth because they're both cats with yellow accessories? What about the slime monster is that a grimer rip off? No, they're simple ideas executed differently. Palworld is obviously not basing things off similar ideas but going their own way, they are obviously looking at Pokemon as direct and blatant inspiration for a lot of mon.
I will say that the Digimon anime is better. However, as a small defense, I'd like to point out that Ash was only late because he broke his clock in his sleep. It wasn't really his fault. Also, the anime does get a lot better in later seasons, with more of a story and more emotional episodes.
As for the games, I feel like Digimon games are way too different from one another, which makes it hard to maintain a fanbase. You might find that you only like one series of Digimon games, like the World games, and since it takes so long for each game to come out it can be a really long time before you get another game you like. I also feel like each game has some major flaws, like Dawn/Dusk being so labyrinthine or how the Digimon dying and being reborn in the World games can kill the pacing. I've played plenty of Digimon games, but I've never finished one since each one has something so annoying and off-putting that it gets me to quit.
I feel like one of the biggest issues with Pokemon games is just the writing. It's often very generic and/or boring. It does feel as if they've been improving in this department lately, as they've been experimenting with their writing in the last few generations of games. The other big issue is that the size and complexity of the games is increasing faster than they can keep up, though this was only really a problem for the Switch games. The only game I never finished was Sword/Shield, though Scarlet/Violet was almost bad enough for me to quit. Gens 3-5 are pretty great and everything else, aside from the Switch games, only has a problem with writing.
TL;DR: Digimon only has better writing. (Also, their Switch games run better.)
Ok can we please stop this console war BS, we're adults now, these are the same basic argument we were having on the school yard.
If I have to put them in simple arguments, Pokemon is an Open world narrative, while Digimon is a linear narrative. For a kids show the Pokemon Anime dose some impressive world building, while Digimon relies on a lot of standard narrative elements.
Pokemon & Digimon fans want very different things, I like Pokemon because I like the concept of discovering new creatures & learning about how they exist, while Digimon's action doesn't appeal to me.
Regardless of everything, I say the bottom line is sadly Gamefreak/Pokemon Company is a bad company, while Bandai is a terrible company. Both just suck at delivering what their fans want from these franchise.
Digimon has far better story, and world-building than Pokemon does.
Pokemon fans only want shit, and the same stuff they've been getting for the past 2 decades. Did you see the fit that they threw over simple mythological elements in the GameFreak leaks?
Yeah the last sentence is just so sad that it's true, one just drown in success they don't really try hard to improve so it got stale and one just seems neglected while it actually has potential to grow more.
@@MilenAnessar I know it maybe weird to say, but with some franchise I find the best part is the fandoms. I feel that a big part of Pokemon, they've done a lot to pick up the slack left by Gamefreak.
I would really like to see that from the Digimon fandom, rather then still arguing which is better.
Pokemon has better games but Digimon has better anime.
Then as you grow up you realize that both are pretty mid. Pokemon is basically the same game every time where the last five generations have been adding and removing features because it doesn't know what it wants going forward. Digi games ALSO kind of feel like fifa seeing as Digimon keeps using their main roster every game, it's like if Pokemon made the returning mons from gen 1 the main aspect. Digi Anime is good but it's incredibly basic "monster of the week" storytelling kinda holds it back. The kids run into the same issue of: an upset mon; and they solve the problem the same way: with an evolution and stock footage of their attacks for the 50th time. Even the different characters from Digimon have kind of lost some of their oomph because there's almost always the same tropes of goggle character, hacker character, girl character, and a brooding/ cool character
I disagree. Until recently, every Pokemon game was basically the same game with a different coat of paint. And now that they ARE trying to do something vaguely different, the quality drops significantly as a consequence. Graphics are behind the time, the story is still there same thing mostly, the Open World of SV is poorly done because you hardly have any reason to engage with it, and cities became worse because now most houses can't be entered unless its a gym or pokecenter.
@zacziggarot if you think Digimon only uses the same handful of Digimon, you haven't played enough digimon games. Sure Agumon and Gabumon often plays a role, but theres a lot more.
@@jonathangoodwin5609 because every Digimon game tends to always use the same season one roster (patamon, palmon, tentomon, gotsumon, piyomon, gomamom, haguramon etc) and only add in what feels like two or three new mon lines per game and they usually don't even show up until AFTER the og cast gets their first appearance. At least Pokemon adds a good 50 mons per game and their use makes their games feel different each gen. Digimon just feels like it's still coasting off and relying more heavily on it's first generation, it feels less diverse when agumon and gabumon (as well as the other gen 1 mons) are ALWAYS front and center.
Even cool newcomers like bearmon, monmon, and kendomon tend to get dropped after a single game while the gen 1 rookies are overused returning in every single game.
Digimon games just can't help but feel samey when I'm fighting the same groups of mons I was fighting 20 years ago.
Bandai has reverse dexit now as they try to cram as many monsters as they can into a single game. Yeah, their stories are better than Pokemon's, but that's a ridiculously low bar to clear
@@jonathangoodwin5609 it's more than Agumon and Gabumon and you know it. Basically the entire season 1 cast returns EVERY game and it makes the series feel pretty samey. They don't add enough new mons in each game to even make the games feel noticably different
I feel like you over simplified Digimon's anime plot(s) and loved the digimon music in the video
while I do agree agree that digimon is better than pokemon show wise, I do NOT agree with theses reasons
Yeah I agree. It's a shame Digimon never broke out from Pokemon's shadow...
It got the same sort of anime level success if not the game level success as well
@@ThatGuyRJChannel no it did not lmao
I feel Palworld actually showed what Digimon could have been.
@@nafeidt if it just chose to copy digimon instead it won't have to deal with Nintendo but Bandai instead lol
Thing is, even the main paired Pokemon games do change. Battling your friends in Red-Blue is substantially different in Gold Silver, in Ruby Sapphire, in Diamond Pearl...now it wasn't that different in Black and White. That's when the formula started to refine itself, leading to the rise of gimmicks in X and Y, and my admittedly diminished interested in the battle system, but Black and White is still a different experience from Diamond and Pearl, evidenced by how much people hated weather all of the sudden, even though the mechanic had been there since Gold and Silver.
Now do Pokemon pairs change enough? No, not really. But they don't have the NFL Madden level of game permanence. That's just disingenuous. Triple Battle, Rotation, Pokestar, those were still new experiences, even if Game Freak decided to drop them all. Battle Tower-Frontier-Subway-Institute were still new experiences, even if Game Freak may decide to not include them in any given game at seemingly random. Kahunas, island trials and defending your championship were all new, if one off. It's not just multiplayer that changes either. Are the buggy Switch games justifiable for their price, on the same console that has Forgotten World, Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, Xenoblade Chronicles, Splatoon 3, etc. No, no it's not. Game Freak still is trying to do something new by turning Legends into a new sub series. Now again, that doesn't excuse the glorified betas that Nintendo charged full price for. Betas that don't even hold up to Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U, or Skyward Sword on the Wii. Nintendo should be embarrassed by Pal World, it should be embarrassed by Forever Oasis in the 3DS, by Fossil Fighters on the DS, by Custom Robo on the Game Cube, by pretty much any fire Emblem mobile game, but just assuming the Pokemon games were still anything resembling polished for a moment, the multiplayer experience is still changing, between each installment. Not as much as from Ruby and Sapphire to Diamon and Pearl, but let's be honest, the Special-Physical system prior to Diamond and Pearl was awful. The point being the same strategies that carry you through Black and White will not do so in X and Y, much less Scarlet and Violet, even if you removed all of the new Pokemon, and all of the new gimmicks, because field effects are still a new mechanic to account for.
I mock Pokmeon for relying on gimmicks post black and white, but those DO change the game play. In a negative way, in my opinion until Scarlet and Violet actually. The terrastilization is both new without over centralizing the game. Shame the game runs so badly, because it's a fun new gimmick to use. I'd be happy to see it stay around in every following game that isn't a remake...but as much I dislike Mega Evolution, as much as I can take or leave Z moves or dynamax, ignore those at your own peril! Dynamax actually opened the door to a different kind of multiplayer, as you compete with your friends to catch the giant monster first, or just help someone else do it with the agreement they'll give you an egg later. Yes, buggy games, not excusing that, but saying it has no more variation than Madden is disingenuous. Not enough variation for you to buy more? That's fair, but that doesn't give you license to be inaccurate about what you dislike. There's plenty enough to criticize about Pokemon while still being accurate.
Reguarding the anime that might be true, but gameplay wise pokemon games work better. Im a digimon lover too but some gameplay mechanics are truly infuriating like the scanning to get digimons or the fact that evolution lines changed from game to game...
Winning with 3 Pokémon against 5 Pokémon while being tazed is a legitimate win. Especially since 3 of those pokemon were giovanni's
I don't want Pokémon to do anything new. I want a better execution of the "same game" like we got during the DS era.
I was really on board with you up until the Games part, you were really unfair there: I'm a fan of both Pokémon and Digimon and mainly a Digimon fan now thx to the new TCG (another thing that Digimon do better), but Digimon has really two core series : "World" and "Story", World is the old V-pet inspired game and Story is the Shin Megami Tensei RPG like (careful with the english titles they aren't all the right ones) and that's it, they always had the same core gameplay with barely any changes except the visuals, the rest is spin off games exactly like Pokémon with Rangers and Mystery Dungeon.
Lastly I'm tired of the "Palworld is better" argument , I hate ARC with a passion and Palworld is just ARC with Pokemon, I would never play a game like that even with the Pokemon or Digimon skin and I'm sick of seeing craft mechanics and survival creeping in my RPGs. Pokemon is one of the lasts good turn based RPG left with SMT and Persona don't steal it from us plz. Not saying everything Pokemon is doing is great but gameplay and story wise SV are great games, they are however severely under-cooked due to impossible deadlines from TPCI and I hope they will have learned their lesson for the next game. And for the anime Pokemon Horizon is leagues better than anything they did before easily digimon level, and digimon Ghost Game was really poorly received (I loved it personally).
Sadly Digimon is kinda dead right now for anything beside the TCG and comics, no anime in sight, the new Story game is probably in development hell by now and Bandai doesn't really seem to care.
RJ is just extremely bitter towards Pokemon and he doesn't know how to handle his emotions, so he takes it out inside a video, instead of just moving on and playing something different. It's not that serious. It's a video game. Put it down and go outside and touch grass. There's always something else out there for you. But it seems like he's just angry at Pokemon, even though he doesn't have to play the games. Just another entitled complainer who lacks the skill to take accountability for his own decisions and lacks the emotional maturity to move on.
Let's also not forget that in Pokémon anime, Ash feels regressed with each region he lands to not just him, but his Pikachu as well, and it sucks because of the fact that we hardly ever see him have real development throughout his journey all because he isn't allowed to 'grow'
As I feared, this video is nothing more than biased BS.
4:19 And we start with the terrible arguments. You are comparing an adventure, save-the-world. structured anime (Digimon) to an episodic, become the very best like no one ever was anime (Pokemon). Of course Digimon is gonna touch points that Pokemon wont, it isn't what the anime was going for. Yet Pokemon far and wide had its dramatic moments as well. Things like Butterfree's Goodbye episode or the episode were Ash tried to release Pikachu or that time Ash, Brock and Misty went their sepparate ways.
4:40 Who said that? What enteils being a Pokemon Master never had a concrete answer. At first it looked like being the strogest was the answer, however, as can be seen at the end of the show, this wasn't enough. Befriending literally everybody, be it human or Pokemon is also a part of it as well.
4:46 Not only you were talking about Ash during literally his first adventure, but also, this is something that happens less and less the more you advance in the story, to the point that, since Hoenn, he has won all his badges fair and square.
5:58 Again, this is a disingenuous argument because you are comparing two fully different anime whose plots don't go in the same way. It would be like if you criticized Yugioh because people don't simply punch each other.
6:31 Really? Your entire argument for why the Digimon movies are better is because of IMDB? Man, what a weak argument. IMDB is not the ultimate source for a product's quality. There are a lot of Pokemon movies that would easily beat any of the Digimon ones, like Mewtwo Strikes Back or The Power of One.
8:48 Thing is that you are ignoring the huge elephant in the room: The competitive scene. Digimon lacks one, so every game can be unique with no problem. Pokemon lacks this luxury, its competitive has been going on for over a decade now and it would be a huge loss if it had to restart because Pokemon's gameplay got heavily changed.
Also, taking advantage of you bringing up her video, pay attention to the very beginning, in there she describes how hard it is to find a good entry point for a new player. This is yet another point Pokemon gets: Accessibility.
And you discard too fast the spin offs. Pokemon includes way more genres through them. You want a Dungeon Crawler? There's Mystery Dungeon. What about a Fighting game? Pokken Tournament is a thing. You want a turn-based Tactical RPG? Play Pokemon Conquest. There's literally a game for anybody.
10:03 Dude, Palworld is hardly the first "Pokemon Killer". Every year or two there's always a new one. And the same thing always happens at the end: The end up forgotten. Remember TemTem? Not too long ago they were calling that game the "Pokemon Killer", yet see where we are right now.
Digimon has always tried new things. Every season was radically different, even the sequel seasons. Different ways to digivolve, different dynamics between digimon and humans. Sometimes it worked really well, like in Tamers, sometimes it didn't work so well, like in Xros. What you undeniably get is a wide variety, despite there being some common rules for how Digimon work, in order to keep SOME level of consistency. The same can be said for the games. This means that Digimon probably didn't see as much success, because people never really knew what to expect from Digimon.
Pokemon is comfort food. You know exactly what you're going to get, because they will never stray from the formula too much. It's not meant to be deep or thought provoking, or even really all that good. It's just meant to be there to cater to the very young childlike minds that we all used to have. This means that it's easy to get bored with Pokemon, but you can always go back to it and pretty much know what you're going to get.
Digimon has always tried to tell deeper, more mature stories. Pokemon is just...childlike. That's it. There's nothing inherently wrong with how either franchise approaches things. It's really just up to your personal tastes. I personally always liked Digimon better, for many of the reasons you laid out.
honestly did you do any research? ash didnt get the celedon batch for ebating team rocket but for saving glooms life
A fire broke out in the gym and Ash had to rescue Gloom even though Erika (the gym leader) should have been able to do so.
@@alphabladelm2011 wel to be fair if I remember right she tried to but got stopped and ash ran in before they could stop him
The Digimon Games just don't compare at all. I love them, but go back and get someone fresh to play Digimon World 1 with no guidance. That is a miserable experience! And it's great when you get the hang of it, but you are going to get Numemon and lose A LOT. Honestly, I'll be amazed if you're not just heal-spamming your way through a ton of battles.
Same for World 2, the level cap is complicated and getting to higher levels is a slog. It's extremely grind heavy and it's a lot of nothing dungeon crawling even when you know what you're doing. It's very unfriendly to beginners.
Digimon World 3 holds up the best, but it's also not amazing. It's really unclear on where to go and your only means of fast travel are a series of complicated interconnected points and a massive series of labrynths you can easily get lost in. Both of which you are FORCED to use.
Compare all of this to classic Pokemon. Yes, we know the old gens are a programming mess, but the design is just better overall. You know where you're going, leveling makes sense, things work the way you expect them to, and you even get easy and accessible fast travel from a convenient menu. I would kill for these things in classic Digimon games.
Modern Digimon fares way better, but it's mostly because Modern Pokemon is just so bad now. Even Cyber Sleuth is still full of filler and has really wonky pacing that goes from 0 to 100 out of nowhere, and that's probably the best made Digimon game on the market right now. The rest are a bit... ehhh.........
The card game definitely goes to Digimon, though. I don't care, the effects are creative, there's nice archetype synergy, and the mechanics to prevent snowballing are pretty fun and effective. Pokemon TCG is good, but half the time it feels like I just get blown out by one quick setup and can't do anything. The other half the time I'm the one sweeping the enemy team, which doesn't feel that fun, either, when you have to knock out a full 6 Pokemon.
Digimon is still my favorite show.but I could still still stay Pokémon has my greatest likes in likes! In tv likes!Right!😊
It also took the idea of capsule-based creature summoning from ultraseven
As a kid I liked both franchises a lot, but pokemon still won the battle for me.
The animes were pretty equal to me, I just preferred the games.
Lil me couldn’t read yet and certainly not English, so I just goofed around in the Digimon game. It was fun, but also just fun.
Meanwhile Pokémon was the only way for me to connect and play together with people tbh. There was no need to read English, games were so easy I played them from memory. No it was the social aspect that worked for me. Trading, battling, the rumors, that kinda stuff.
I was also a bug collector, collecting Pokémon was right up my alley.
Digimon also freaked lil me out sometimes. How does a cute creature with wings as ears transform into a humanlike angel?
A lot of the designs were either really cool or just meh, but they did not feel cohesive at all.
And lastly even though Digimon was big, it was sadly smaller than Pokémon. I asked my family a lot about stuff, I really wanted a digiwatch for example, but the stuff just wasn’t in stores or well known.
Meanwhile Pokémon was just plastered on everything and way easier to get. I feel like that was a big factor as well.
Even if the games were comparable, one franchise just had more of a presence and influence
As someone who generally prefers Digimon to Pokemon, you know that game section is bullshit, right? "Pokemon doing different things doesn't count for reasons, so there's only one kind of Pokemon game. But Digimon games not being able to get their shit together means they're trying different things."
Yeah, he can't even bring himself to admit Digimon games are better than Pokemon games because he straight up says, "I'll give digimon games a try." That's not a compelling argument. It's more of him just saying he's bitter towards Pokemon. And if he's comparing Digimon is better than Pokemon, then why does he have to lean on saying PalWorld is better than Pokemon? Why does PalWorld need to be brought up in this argument? It just proves how weak his arguments were for Digimon. It sounded more like he was scraping the bottom of the barrel for arguments than he was actually TRYING to make compelling arguments. This whole video wreaked of bitterness and desperation to make an argument.
I'll start by saying I love both, but I feel Pokemon had superior games while Digimon had the superior anime.
Pokemon anime wasn't bad, but it was a bit long winded at times and a lot of themes for me fell flat after a while (falling for Team Rockets disguises and tricks repeatedly for DECADES being one example). Digimon made me emotionally invested and even had my sister and I watching the Tri series and Last Evolution and getting teary eyed well into our 20's. We also both loved the 2020 remake of the OG series.
The Digimon games were good, but not as many or released as much, so a bit harder to judge. Pokemon had a very solid lineup for games regularly released and despite the same theme being kept across generations, there was enough crammed into each game to enrapture multiple generations of gamers.
Love both, just in different ways.
As a fan of both Pokémon and Digimon, I can honestly say you were cooking until you said Digimon games are better than Pokémon games. While Pokémon games have had the same formula since the beginning, they have not been the same exact game every time. That’s a huge oversimplification.
I'll defend Pokemon by saying that it has an original battle gimmick in every game
Turn based combat is not original.
It's just SMT for kids
Rarely new mechanics? U haven't played the games have you?
Couldn't agree more.
Btw, the Pokemon anime is truly a kid's show - and I mean a _little_ kid's show. Digimon is more mature, a kid will enjoy it (I mean _I_ did), but it was smartly written such that it still holds up. The kids had real problems that an adult will understand too. Throughout the different seasons of Digimon you even have main characters of different ages, it's not just kids - and the ones who are kids grow up and change, they mature with the audience... unlike Ash.
And Pokemon was lucky that their games took off. They thought for sure that the gen 2 games were going to be it. Turned out they found a formula for a game that just sold consistently well, sure they have dedicated fans as well that will buy the next game (out of nostalgia and habit), but they can always count on a new batch of kids who are going to be enticed by this formula that is always the same. The games aren't actually that good or innovative. The Digimon games aren't always a slam dunk, but at least they try new things and don't become stale and boring.
I suppose they _could_ learn from each other, but Palworld _kind of_ did this, taking the best of both worlds - and, well, we can see how the Pokemon Company reacted. If Digimon tried anything to make their games more successful like Pokemon, they would get accused of copying them (I mean harder than people already do) and the lawsuits would start.
I really love Digimon Survive it feels like the anime but it’s rated T for a reason
Digimon is better sometimes.
Digimon def had better storytelling in the anime, as the story was more cohesive and required weekly viewing. I did drop off once they started the whole humans merging with digimon stuff; that stuff was stupid. Everything new that Pokémon introduced into the games was stupid. Mega evolves was stupid, as was merging two together, and don’t even get me start on how ridiculous gigantimax is.
*"Digimon def had better storytelling in the anime, as the story was more cohesive and required weekly viewing."*
Dude, you are comparing two completely different styles of story-telling. The former is about saving the worlds and plot-heavy; the latter is more episodic and about becoming the best. It is unfair to compare them. It would be as if you said that Naruto is better than Yuru Camp because the latter is about camping and not about protecting the village and becoming the next Hokage.
*"Everything new that Pokémon introduced into the games was stupid. Mega evolves was stupid, as was merging two together, and don’t even get me start on how ridiculous gigantimax is."*
Wait, ar including a fan game gimmick in the debate? As for Megas and Gigantamaxing, to each their own. I mean, Mega's problem was that Pokemon that didn't need it got them and Gigantamax was just Megas but more balanced and accessible.
Bro didnt even comment on pokken tournament which was soooo good. But yeah all interesting comments. My main gripe with Digimon was always that the mons felt samey imo but I loved the anime. Cool video
@@morganalley3093 thanks! And I can kind of agree on them kind of feeling the same I do wish they had more unique styles and personalities a little more
I hope more people actually listen to the points instead of crying because they disagree.
the only digimon games that should be considered mainline imo are the vpet simulators: world1, Re:Digitize and NextOrder which are all amazing and far better than all the mainline pkmn games combined, so yes, digimon wins
I was never a diehard pokémon fan myself but i always had a deeper connection with Digimon i had the OG vpets as a kid and played Digimon World before watching the show, but 4 years ago that's when my passion for Digimon truly exploded, but to be fair i do not consume everything Digimon i mainly stick to Vpets because to me that's what sets them apart from Pokémon, evolution happens as a response to how it's raised and everything has consequences, though they are raised for combat, they get injured, injuries can lead to an early demise, but if i don't make it fight how do i gauge it's strenght?
Also your mon has a lifespan and his life will eventually come to an end and that's life for you, and it's up to you to either do your best while he's there or fail, your mon goes out early and and you have start over.
Instead of dividing your attention over 6 mons that have linear evolutions and you really don't have to do much to make them stronger outside making them fight and assign better moves, in Digimon you focus on one mon (on the DM20 you raise two at the same time, and it's all about how much you train it, how much you neglect it, how much you deliberately farm care mistakes for a specific evolution or find a balance to make natural care mistakes without having to stare at them at all times.
I've been collecting digimon vpets for the last 4 years, I have one with me at all times even at work, i found a natural balance where i can keep them in my pocket and look at them during breaks or during down times, and because each device has it's own balance and rhythm i can let fate do it's thing, it doesn't affect my work in anyway and they really help me keeping me focused and sane most of the time.
The cover of butterfly in the beginning was so good. Also biggest dreamer was great. (I liked the other covers in the video too, but those were the highlights)
Does Pokémon being the "same game repackaged" mean you hate Mario, Zelda, Dark Souls, God of War or really a majority of games in general? You should realize game development is much harder than you think. There is not even time to reinvent the wheel and change a game right down to its core from one to the other. Tons and I mean TONS of time, money and management need to be made for that to happen. If a game has a sequel that is massively different and does poorly it could be a huge loss to the company. It's the reason you seldom see Digimon release a game.
If you need a game series that is constantly reinventing the wheel and being different with each entry is what makes it appealing to you, then I don't have the words. I get where you're coming from. Always collecting monsters and traveling a weird alternate version of the real world to beat 8 dudes to get a chance at being a master is getting old and redundant. I get you want the next Pokémon to have massive changes in its gameplay structure and mechanics for you to even consider picking it up. I get you want the next Pokémon to have living breathing life forms with their own thoughts and feelings instead of being lifeless battle monsters. I have my own criticisms with the series, and I haven't been up to speed on the series in recent years. However, what I find appealing about is the sense of adventure and discovery. The game being the same doesn't take away from passion for the series. Every entry has its own identity in spite of the gameplay never changing. It's the same with Mario and Dark Souls. You're doing the same thing but the differences are what gives each entry of their series its own flair.
I respect where you're coming from and why you Team Digimon, but your words won't change my perspective and vice versa. It's all subjective at the end of the day.
As any child growing up in the peak of all that, i loved both, then people started a trend of Digimon copied Pokemon, pokemon is better and as a dumb child i followed neglecting most of my Digimon enjoyment. As a child, still, the RPG elements of pokemon where like so little to me, i just caught them, made them fight and barely understood the story, not because i was that dumb, because i played them in english and i didn't learn english until my teenage years. The digimon game needed a bit more of english basis, which i didn't have too.
Then i grew up...
I started disliking Ash/Satoshi so freaking much, just the mere sight of the guy being a complete failure as a trainer was so annoying, the episodes were clearly meant for children WHICH IS FINE, but my god, rewatching Digimon Adventure was such a ride, made me feel, cry, excited... While the "Gotta catch them all" song or whatever is called the main theme of pokemon is quite decent, comparing it to ANY Digimon song is so silly, specially with Butterfly, that song is just a nostalgia fueled cry factory because it means something, i am not following a lazy mediocre kid, it was about being flawed but growing and learning with Digimon.
Nowadays i can totally see the appeal on pokemon, play it from time to time with so much disgust in "So i am privating the freedom of this animal for my own enjoyment beating up other people's animals", i don't know, the concept itself isn't so nice when the customization is so lttle. I have Pokemon Sun lying around somewhere and cleaning and caring about my Pokemon feel quite nice, but that's pretty mcuh it, after that it's the same beating each other with animals.
Don't get me started on how widely know is that Pokemon games are often so mediocre and half done.
Digimon is truly special, sadly, not widely loved or cared as Pokemon...
While I much prefer Digimon, the main things Pokemon has over it is the focus and consistency, whether it be the shows/movies, games, and importantly, character design. That higher consistency makes it more easily accessible, which is why it continues to pull ahead in every aspect. I will keep rooting for Digimon to improve, but I won't turn a blind eye to its flaws
Been looking forward to this ep since you teased it on Twitch
I appreciate you making your way over, hopefully I did it justice
@ThatGuyRJChannel ya did great! I've seen almost all the anime series even the worst digimon series is better than Pokémon because it has actual story that feels like it matters. Up until when Ash finally won I was like this can just be background noise. With the digimon I'm more invested
as someone who played a good chunk of pokemon games; they have only gotten worse over time... the older games like Gold and Silver at least had the freedom to act and move without the game grabbing you by the hand for an unskippable cut scene into another unskippable cutscene. not only is it the same game, but it's only become worse as time has passed with only superficial changes that do nothing to improve the core game play experience.
Yes, a lot of the newer pokemon games are hand holding except for the newest games. Scarlet and violet you can literally go anywhere you please. You can skip around and fight any gym you want. The core game play is the whole point of the game. It's a jrpg, aka turn battles. You can't change that or else it's not a jrpg.
@uwillnevernoewhoiam a game like persona has better animations for the attacks pokemon dispite being more popular has worse looking action compared to competitors.
@@chronic-joker But that's the point of persona, to be flashy and over the top. They are a JRPG as well, so to differentiate they go heavy into the art style and animation. Pokemon would benefit from that to a point but it isn't necessary.
@uwillnevernoewhoiam except it is, the models movement is so limp and poor in pokemon there outclassed by the old school jrpg games.
It literally looks like a stiff toy moving a lot of the time which makes the fights look boring. This then makes the action feel more like a chore I have to get through to finish the game instead of being enjoyable.
Dragon qeust is also a jrpg franchise and it has way better looking animation almost every jrpg does. There is no "style" that can be used to justify pokemon it's just blatantly bad and outdated.
@@chronic-joker No it's not, you can literally play pokemon without the animations, which they allow you do to, and you can still enjoy it. If all you care about is the flashy animation then all you care about is art style and animation, and art is entirely subjective. That's like saying you like the color red more so red is superior to all other colors so the color blue is bad and outdated
No raging unbridled fury.
Solid opinions 👍
Thank you! I try not to let the rage take over lol
Pokemon does also have various game types as well. Like poke Rangers, poke dungeons, a poke fighting game, an abandoned typing game, etc. Imo, none of them are fun except some of the mainline or consoles versions.
Both are good and better in there own ways it some people can different opinions on what they like more
Regarding the last Kanto badge, well, that's not how I remember it. How I remember it is that Jessie, James and Meowth got the Gym from Giovanni and tried to cheat to beat Ash. But Ash won anyway and the sore losers they were they refused to give him the badge. But Ash got it anyway, when they blasted off again after their cheating device blown. So, in my opinion at least, Ash won the eighth Kanto badge legitimately, despite TR Trio cheating. And that makes four out of eight Kanto badges he Ash won legitimately, that means half of them. But the thing is, after Kanto, Ash never got any badge given to him. He won every single badge in every region where he went after badges legitimately.
Great thumbnail. Decent production. You should try the many pokemon spin off games that exist, from pokemon conquest, to pokemon mystery dungeon, to pokemon sleep, there are a variety of games that dont fall under the usual pokemon formula. You should have focused more on the depth of digimons characters and interactions. It feels like you surface level touched on things without going into more detail.
This is a super great comment for constructive criticism that I really appreciate, thank you!
I remember when me and my big brother was kids in the 90s. I loved Digimon and he loved the first season of Pokemon. So we fought with each other. 2 years later the Johto theme song caught my attention, but still wasn't there. Intel Hoenn came out, and I started watching a few episodes and I started kind of liking it.
I try to skip as much of Unova and Sinnoh, but when Kalos came out I started watching it.
I skipped the Hawaiian one, but watched all of galar ❤
I was happy that the boy Ash became world champion at the end.
I might have slim through some of his journeys, but was happy to remember the memories of when I was a true Digimon fan, and somewhat still am.
Just to remember all the fights I had with him and how pointless it was😅
For me Digimon - digimon Data Squad was goat!
every after that wasn't the same😅
Pokemon and Digimon 🤝
Digimon is better at story telling, character writing and recognizing it's fans and their reality. They also tackled much more mature and emotional stories. Pokemon was fun and all but besides the first few games it doesn't feel like as much heart and effort was invested.
@@HustlerHorstRuediger The Diamond And Pearl Anime And The XYZ Anime Is Better At Story Telling In My Opinion Since They Focus On Ash's Character The Most And Pokemon Character Arc's Like Infernape And Greninja And They Still Have Development For The Other Companions That Travel With Ash.
As For The Games I Actually Do Agree But At The Same Time Don't Agree Cause It's Like What A TH-camr Named Internet Pit Stop Said They Want To Make These Games Great But Due To Nintendo's Deadlines And Time Constraints They Can't But Legends Z-A Will Hopefully Change That.
@@inktirrell5016 Why is every word capitalized?
@@xedusk Because they are clapping their hands at every word.
pokemon has the better games and tcg
digimon has the better anime and movies
both companies have good monster design and bad business practices.
Let's see, which was the last Pokemon game you played? When was the last time you played the TCG?
As for Digimon, which was the last anime you watched? Which was the last movie?
That argument and logic is way older than most Pokemon fans...
@@Khyze Digimon Tamers alone solos the entire Pokémon franchise. This is coming from someone who just finished watching it recently.
@@HeeHungersForHos Watching what? Pokemon or Digimon Tamers? Dubbed or subbed?
@@Khyze Digimon Tamers, subbed. It was better than any single piece of Pokémon that I've ever seen.
@HeeHungersForHos I'm interested on starting Pokemon but... I'm slightly against them and it would mostly be a waste, people said the peak was when Greninja
I just commented earlier and i checked the imbd for movie and ur such a liar. U told how pokemon have lower rating compared to digimon.but u didnt say the sample size for digimon was at an average of 1.5k while pokemon has lower limit of 2k to higher 24k.
Ur already a small channel why would u lie and spread misinformation to ppl.
Yeah, digimon movies appeal to digimon fans only, of course they're going to rate it higher. Pokemon was massive, the movies came out in theaters at times, of course more general audiences who aren't super invested in Pokemon are going to rate it lower
@JueTheRoux ya, i know, that why im talking about sample size.if u look at the the list yr self u will realize he is lying in his movie comparison. Digimon movies was rated by just very few ppl while pokemon had a large pool. That means the average is going to change. And the reason i had looked it up is i remember watching the most of the digimon movies .except for the 1st one and frontier movie everything else was the same movies with different template.
I grew up with Pokemon (both games and anime) more than Digimon (I have seen some Digimon on TV like an episode of Adventure and some episodes of Tamer, which is my favorite season) and had Digimon World 2 & 3 on PS1 but anyway, after marathoning all Digimon seasons up to Xros Wars/Fusion at the time, I prefer every DIgimon season over most Pokemon anime seasons but for games, Pokemon has always been my go-to. I haven't played many Digimon games but I would like to play Cyber Sleuth and few others on my Switch when I can get to them in my backlog of games.
For the most part i agree, heck i even like how the Digimon designs get really weird & cool, almost really experimental.
seems like you completely missed the point of ash's entire journey over almost 25 years
Finally someone that isn't an ass kisser.
... Ash was 10 years old for 25 years?
There was a point?
Pokemon’s story is only still going because of the massive amount of money Pokemon generates. The series doesn’t justify its length at all, nor does it justify not aging up Ash, or letting him change in any way. How is the series consistent when Ash’s Pikachu is on the level of the Elite Four Pokemon only to suddenly be struggling with the first gym in the next region?
@@HeeHungersForHos Thankfully Ash... as 10 years old... has retired from being anime mc.
i grew up with both and digimon is objectively the better anime (pokemon games are better tho)
I don't think it's accurate to compare Pokemon to FIFA/MADDEN because at the very least each new pokemon game creates a completely new world to explore and while the core gameplay does stay the same they do add small changes to it with every new game it's not just adding new pokemon to the same game over and over again that being said tho I do agree with most of what you said, the gameplay loop has gotten stale and they don't innovate enough and even tho the games look better and are more open they have lost a lot of there charm from back in the day like just comparing the amount of base content between BW2 to the latest games SV it's night and day we were getting way more content and better quality content before compared to now and the main issues with Digimon games in my opinion is a lack of consistency, with Pokemon when ever there is a new game you can always rely on the info you learned in previous games I.E. what Pokemon evolve into or what moves they learn, with digimon you can't rely on any info you learned in previous games because they keep changing the rules so if you have a favorite digimon and you are playing the game blind you might not get it because the info you thought you knew wasn't correct in this game
yep i agree 100%. I loved digimon as a kid same with pokemon , but as i got older i started to realize that when it comes to the story telling of digimon there is alot more to it. Especially when it comes to the anime and the digidestined as they grow Through out each season. i personally call it also alot darker than pokemon cause the stakes are that much higher than pokemon usually is outside of the Movies. Game wise digimon is just intresting in its own right. Even though they usually try something new , and it doesnt always work out. but its fun in its own way. I've personaly reached a point that i have stopped playing pokemon since scarlet and violet unless they bring something new and intresting , But digimon i will keep coming back to.
One look into Konaka's notes about Digimon Tamers shows how much more heart and soul was put into it compared to Pokémon. Its a shame too, because it seems like the GameFreak employees want to make Pokémon into something better, but are constantly stopped by Nintendo and GameFreak's red tape.
I vastly prefer Digimon. There is no doubt wich anime is DECENT and wich is AWFUL. I believe other pokemon-like games do it better (Temtem, Coromon and so on). I love Digimon World 1...
But none of the digimon games are better then Pokemon (if you not consider the bug glitch mess that is Scarlet & Violet).
The thing that made the Pokémon anime was the game. Everyone in school that didnt already had *insertpokemonhere* would get it after the new episode aired and showed that same Pokémon. Like, the anime dictaded which new Pokémon i would catch
To be fair about the gyms that was kinda the point ash was an idiot beginning trainer who didn’t know crap. But he improved massively by the Johto arc although the season was a lot slower but he improved and actually beat Gary fair and square.
It still suprising me how Digimon keep using the adventure cast now while pokemon focusing on new character, Its via Versa now
Imo, it's very simple. Pokemon has the advantage of maintaining a stable pattern, which allows it to easily keep a fan base because they know what to expect. The downside being that it gets stale. If you played one Pokemon game, you played them all. If you watched one episode of the Anime (at least during Ash), you know what to expect from there. It sticks to what is safe and familiar, but it doesn't try to grow or improve. Digimon is different and fresh every time it appears. Ever anime season is different from each other, with different plots and different goals. There are several different game series with different game styles and never reusing the same stale storyline over and over again. You won't know what to expect just because you played a different Digimon game before. (It also helps add replay value and entertainment factor that Divining can sign love into more than just one thing. Digivolving is basically like if every single digimon had the gimmick of Eevee.
Pokémon are seen as tools for the Pokémon Master, whilst Digimon and Tamer are partners. I fucking cried my eyes out at the end of Last Evolution.
Also, while I'll give you that the Digimon Anime's overcome trouble and save the world plot was more compelling than Pokemon's, that the Digimon show was better than Pokemon's, Digimon's show was not in a vacuum. Pokemon's was fairly distinctive. What Digimon did, Monster Rancher did better, Godzilla The Series did better. In Digimon the human children were little but cheerleaders who contributed nothing else to fighting monsters, which is a problem when evil monsters to fight are 99% of your problems. In Monster Rancher Genki was both a trainer to his monster and he physically supported his team in battle, putting his life on the line. In Godzilla, the humans were scientists who helped figure out enemy monster weaknesses and motivations, and negotiators who kept other humans from making the situation worse.
Digimon got around this problem by season three of the show, with card swipe, bio merging, with a monster hunting agency trying and sometimes succeeding at building anti monster weaponry, but too little too late! Digimon actually solved this with his very first Manga, where actually raising your monster from an egg and strategizing in battle was key to success, and again with V-Tamer 01, it's second manga, which further built on this with non verbal communication uplinks to better strategize monster battles while keeping the human out of harm's way, but all Bandai Namco writers seemed to take away from this was "There was a Dragon and Dog, we need a Dragon and a Dog in Our comic/cartoon too" until Digimon Tamers finally realized like maybe those first two manga were so well liked because the humans actually served a purpose on this adventure and there weren't so many main characters to juggle around?
Again, while the Pokemon anime wasn't particularly good, and only got worse as seasons went by, there wasn't another example of a monster battle league doing everything it did but better until Monster Rancher's final season.
I love both, but Digimon will always be the best for me!
Same here
bro do u remember xyz! that was one of the most epic anime in the pokemon history? why r u comparing pokemon's less powered work with digis most powerful work
Only reason people like Pokemon is because it is consistent and the show started first
Whoa. Let's not get crazy here. I agree with the anime, but not games.
The game D.A.M. Champion was inspired by both and releases November 15th, 2024
Digimon was way ahead of its time.
As someone who loves both I can agree in some of this but must disagree heavly in others.
Anime: Yes, Digimon has a real story and even the Monster of the Day episodes contribute to the plot. Far more dramitic and with high stakes and not just a looser version of the game plot with some pet aspect between dogfights. BUT newer entries in the Pokemon animations are far better tahn the old ones and by far not all of the Digimon ones land a mark even on fans as they aren't well planed. For every Masterpiece as Tamers there is a flop like the Adventure remake or even Ghost Game, that started great but then had no story at all.
Movies: Nope. Most Digimon movies are just some glorified side adventures that are ignored by the rest of the ongoing ones in the anime. And yes most of the Pokmeon ones are as well, but that is the overall style of the show, so it just fits in great with (mostly) better action, story and animation to boot. Some (like the 1. or 2.) are even great storys on their own. Where I can't remember a really good, heck even a not disapointing Digimon movie, they break the flow up or are meaningless at best and are stupid retcons with animation below the moe and isekai -blobs of the season at worst. The ratings come rom hardcore fans, because that are the only ones who watched them and Pokemon movies get theirs from all kinds of people (well mostly parents) just cause the franchiseis so, so much bigger. So fans, haters and people who don't care agains fans only, will give a disjunked rating profile.
Games: Digimon World (PSX) is easily in the top 3 of my most loved games ever and was great. I liked cyber sleuth, even if it felt like a worse shin megami tensei and will die on the hill that DW 2 +3 are still good games in their rites. Still they will lose out to the possibleties of Pokemon games alone, even if they are buggy as hell, don't innovate more than half an aspect at a time. Some spinoffs do great and are even more diverse in genres than Digimon (where you don't do one thing but throw all 3-5 years something on the wall and hope it sticks) like Mystery Dungeon, Conquest, Snap, Pokken, Legends (not called spinoff, but ffs it is).
Overall Digimon is more .. edgy, hardcore, mature, dramatic and less handholdy, consitent, childfriendly and easy to get around.
With Pokemon you can just consume most of it as a timefiller and find a few gems in the mediocrity and with Digimon you have to look out and try get the real good ones that give you an impression for years or get unlucky and sit thrue Sukamons wet dreams and do your best to forget that.
nah, this guy clearly knows nothing about both franchises. He can't even come out with a solid reason to support his statement. if you are a Digimon/Pokemon fan, you will quickly catch how shallow is his knowledge on both franchises.
Digimon adventure is easily the most memorable part of the franchise and after the first season Digimon kinda lost direction because it doesn't really have a clear goal.
Pokemon are pretty consistent in term of manga, anime and games. This is what makes pokemon much easier to be understand and accepted.
I find it odd how people say, at this point, Digimon lost direction, despite it clearly being an anthology series. I don't see people look at Final Fantasy and go "Man, after the first few games the series just totally lost direction".
Things might be different now. Pokemon and Digimon were introduced in the late 90s, nearly around the same time. I don't know much about Digimon but i do watch the first season. Consistency is what make pokemon succeed, to summarise the first 19 season of pokemon is all about Ash ketchum dream of becoming a pokemon master. in order to be the very best, he need to battle with some of the best trainers including gym leader and the elite 4 members.
Pokemon also introduce the evolution line, Types and movepool. The video game really help the audience to better understand this part. so even if there's new pokemon being introduce, just from a glance we can make a guess what is the pokemon type and the pokemon move set. This is because they all share a lot of similarities.
For Digimon, the first season is about a group of kids that got trapped inside the digital world and try to find a way home. The second season is about a group of kids trying to save the digital world from a Digimon that enslaving other Digimon. If I'm not mistaken, Digimon also have types along with the evolution and movepool. Since the game didn't really help the audience to learn more about the Digimon it self, this is kinda hard for people to understand Digimon. I still questioning myself about my gabumon evolving into seadramon and I don't know what other moves does it have other than the blueflame and horn attack.
so you see i use the lost direction term because i don't understand what Digimon is all about.
in conclusion, both franchises might look the same but actually they are completely different from one to another. so i can't say that this one is better or worse than the other one because we can't compare something that's totally different.
I just...I can't keep supporting a franchise that once had heart behind it, but now just coasts on its popularity, cuts corners in the worst ways, and seems to be one of the industry's worst cases of dev crunch. If it's beyond criticism now because it just prints money then I guess it doesn't need my support. I'm mixed on the Digimon franchise, but I do like that it tries different things. I really need to try Palworld because I've heard great things about it.
4:40 its worse than that: Pokemon Master isn't an official term with an official objective. Ash wanted to be a Pokemon Master, but the series never once tries to define what that actually means. Its just a vague term used to justify dragging ash along long after his journey should realistically have ended.
I disagree I like both the Pokemon and Digimon anime
That's a opinion not an argument
Digimon is life and death while Pokémon is a sport anime 🤷🏽♂️ Digimon has too many ideas while Pokémon has one really great one.
Which is why Digimon sucks though, the world is always in danger and someone needs to save it, keeping it on a small scale (like Pokemon) just keeps it more engaging and somehow less repetitive
@@KhyzeHow so? Pokémon just feels dull and unengaging because there's very few stakes and really no conflict.
@@HeeHungersForHos Do you know the slice of life genre? Protagonist being in constant danger isn't a must for plot...
Im gonna say it digimon games r shit, i LOVE digimon with all my heart but there games is not for me, thats y i made my own digimon game ❤
Also u forgot there mangas,
And to defend pokemon a little
bit, mega form, z moves, giganax and dynamax, just pointing out how there not just copy and paste
No it's not. Pokemon Red and Blue were a couple of unbalanced, buggy messes that hid too many of their mechanics from the player, but I'll take them a thousand times over that Tamagotchi rip off that were the Digimon virtual pets. Pokemon's first console game was basically sticking Red-Blue-Yellow into the Nintendo 64, but Digimon's first console game was basically the virtual pet on the Sega Saturn. Seriously, give me that Pikachu pet any day. That one came with some fun games!
Bandai Namco had a chance to do something special from the very launch of the property, but Digimon was a cheap cash in they didn't realize the true potential of. The franchise didn't deserve those two V Jump magazine comics Hiroshi Tazawa and Tenya Habuno gave them, and not surprisingly those two manga are the only things Bandai Namco used the two best writers/artists Digimon has ever had for. Obviously there are some things I do like about Digimon and dislike about Pokemon, but no, Pokemon are the superior games, even if it did take their main series four entries to come up with a good combat system, even with their reduction in new monsters in favor of gimmicks, even with the glitchy messes of old coming back with a vengeance on the Switch. Battling trading Pokemon was always more rewarding than likewise with Digimon. Catching, leveling up, then breeding the Pokemon more rewarding than "raising" the virtual pet.
Pokemon never did anything also lazy as switch some lines around on a monster's fur pattern, change one letter in its name and call it a new species! Pokemon had some lazy evolutions like Voltorb-Electrode, but even that looks like effort next to Monochromon-Vermillimon in virtual pets that don't even have color. Gotsumon-Icemon-Meteromon don't look any different when there is color! Pokemon may have had biased an unnecessary extra "mega" evolution but Digimon did that within one year of its existence, showing Bandai Namco was already running short on ideas! Yeah, Digimon, credit, mixes up their video games. So does Pokemon actually. There's Pokemon Conquest, pinball, snap, rumble, mystery dungeon, dash, go, masters, ranger, puzzle league, legends, Pokepark, Pokken, a cooking game, a detective game, a fish jumping game a card battle game and not all of these mix ups have been good, but more than enough have fine enough deviations for those who want something different from the "main" pair series or do not even like said main series.
The early Pokémon games are better than Digimon. It wasn't until Digimon Story game, Survive, and next Order became amazing.
The Problem Is That RJ Is Only Talking About The First Season Of Pokemon Not The Actual Seasons That Do Exactly What He's Talking About Like The Diamond And Pearl Anime And The XYZ Anime Key Examples Is In Gen 4 Infernape's Up Rising From Being An Abused Mon Both Physically And Mentally Or In XYZ The Bond And Story Of Greninja And Ash Or The Fact That In The Team Flare Arc Someone Actually Dies Essentially So I Can See The Points RJ Is Making For The First Season But For Seasons Like The DP Anime And XYZ Anime Then I Do Think Pokemon Is Better.
Movies: I Don't Really Have Anything To Say About The Movies Since I've Seen 0 Digimon Movies.
Games: I Actually Do Agree Here A Little Since Even Tho I Never Played Any Of The Digimon Games I Do Like How There Willing To Try New Things Something Pokemon Should Do More Often Since They Have Millions Of Dollars And They Remove Gimmicks With Every New Generation Like Mega Evolution Z-Moves And So On Every New Gen Is A New Gimmick But The Same Game Which Isn't Really That Bad Because Of How Customizable There Go To Is And I Honestly Think That In My Opinion They Should Have Kept Only Mega-Evolution And Z-Moves Since There The Most Essential Gimmicks To The Lore Of The Franchise But Change The Core Of The Games From Time To Time Or Enhance Upon Them Like Pal World Did But Still Keep It Relatively The Same But Still Changed.
He is lying about the movies i checked and the pokemon rating had larger sample size compared to digimons smaller size.
Not only that he keeps miss representing pre- ps digimon and the anime with just rudimentary plot.i also think he has never seen pokemon and its spinoff or digimon anime .
They are bringing back mega evolutions tho with the new legends Z/A game coming out next year
@@bewarebewear1507 That Is True And I Feel Like Pokemon's Bread And Butter Is So Customizable That's Why They Barely Change It And Even Tho I Said What I Said In My Comment I Actually Don't Mind The Games I Like Them And A TH-camr Called Internet Pit Stop Made A Good Point That Game Freak Probably Want To Make These Games Great But Do To Constant Deadlines From Nintendo Who Doesn't Care They Can't But I Hope Legends Z-A Changes That.
@@jamta69 I Feel Like RJ Is Just Going Off Of The First Season Of Pokemon Assuming The Other Seasons Are Exactly The Same As The First Season Without Watching Them First And As For The Movies I Don't Know Why He Lied About The Ratings Since Someone Could Just Look It Up Like You Did.
Digimon will always have a better anime.
To be fair, your points on the anime is valid and the Pokémon anime itself is like the game as how you say it , its the same thing over and over and what I mean by this is they kept resseting ash 💀, while in digimon , you get different main character, and its also got more mature over time.
Aside from the anime , your take on the game is something I wouldn't agree with since one of the charm of Pokémon is them being easy to get into since its the same thing with almost every instalments with additional gimmick while digimon doesn't have a core game even though people like the world style digimon game.
I will say this though , some of the gimmick Pokémon had literally seems like they were taken from digimon i swear to god 😂 (Mega-Burst mode(D) ,Burst Mode(P)-Spirit Digivolution)
I love both so I'm gonna be neutral on this so please don't hurt me guys.
The anime: There is no winner and loser, both has its flaws but still good anime nonetheless, beauty is subjective anyway but let's get into the big deal; Ash all throughout the series seems to not age meanwhile in Digimon, you can feel that the story moves because in the recent movies, we get to see Taichi and the gang grows old. I believe in Pokémon's defense is that it is just artistic choice that Ash didn't look old even though the series span up to 27 years now, I said artistic choice that Ash is this way because he is even way younger than his original form when he finally wins and become the very best. Though you could say that even though the series is 27 years, maybe Ash just finish it all in like 3 to 5 years in his time just like how is Luffy is only in 2-4 years in his adventures even though the anime is 25 years old.
The game: Gamefreak's motto is if it's not broken, don't fix it. That's why we've seen the game up to until this day with turn-based mechanics, because fans of the game will still play it. If that's the case then why Palworld suddenly becomes relevant? Because it could have been Pokémon's greatest evolution. One Digimon can have 800+ different evolution path, Pokémon fans indulge themselves into fusing Pokémons with one another wanting to see the infinite potential in each fusion. If turn-based is actually the hots then why we have Pokémon Reloaded, Pokkén and Unite piques the interest of Pokémon fans, there is even an auto-chess battler. If I'm being honest, the fans keeps the franchise alive.
Know one episode of Pokémon, know every episode of Pokémon.
Digimon was all about storytelling and character development.
Absolutely! Even as a kid I was all for the stories over anything else
@@ultimativerHexer This Is Actually Wrong Since The Pokemon Anime Is Different When You Watch Sinnoh And Kalos That Focuses On Both The Characters And There Mons Like The Bond Ash And Greninja Forged Trying To Master Battle Bond And Infernape's Up Rising From Being Abused By Paul Mentally And Physically Trying To Get His Blaze-Form To Come Out To Overcoming It With Ash And Mastering Hie Blaze-Form.
Really? do you know about the episode that mostly follows a single litten doing what it can, despite the trouble it will get into, to make the last days of a dying pokemon special.
do you know about the episode that is about a young girl who's father had gone missing for years, only to find him living in a totally mind fogged state with an alien.
Do you know about the episode where a character joins a group of adventurers on a sky ship to avoid gangsters that are after her for reasons she doesn't know, and not because of her partner pokemon. oh and these gangers are actually good at what they do, and are an actual threat that put her life in danger. Not a single word about her going to gyms or becoming a pokemon master.
Sure a lot of episodes do have a pokemon of the week set up, but they know this and use this formulae to subvert expectations or tie into a characters, character growth journey.
Please… put more thought when talking about Pokémon if you’re just going to end up missing so many things.
Fan of both serues here. I prefer Pokemon hands down though.
I respect your arguments ✌️
For the gym leader one anime vs games; I don't agree with your reasonings.
The anime gave a view of what the games would be like when brought to life. How trainers differed etc. That there is more to being a good trainer than just beating other trainers with your Pokemon. Caring for your mons and such is just as equally important.
Also to counter the same point. Ash does lose. To other trainers, to gym leaders, to the league competitors. Losing/failure is a good lesson. And yes, he is a slacker, but that ties in with the previous point-- he fails; which leads to growth.
By the end of his journey he isn't the same slacker. Core parts of his character stay with him. As that's who he is, but he is way more disciplined and such.
Also, mediums such as the anime and manga do a great job of bringing the games to life while straying from the rules of said games. The authors even praised that fact as it gives the worlds more life.
More points to add, but again I am a fan of both 🤟
To each their own.
While I disagree on the point of Digimon being superior to Pokémon in every way, I will concede to a few points.
1. The Digimon protagonists had to face consistently higher stakes and had to become better. Ash Ketchum never needed to grow so urgently and took much longer to learn from his mistakes (assuming the writers let him remember).
2. Digimon seem to consistently scale higher in power than Pokémon. Ultimate and Mega Forms are no joke; those forms may need help or special items to achieve but the capabilities are incredible.
3. Digimon protagonists were more willing to get directly involved in fights than Pokémon trainers. They might not have been powerhouses but they showed a lot of guts and cunning far more often.