Lincoln was known for having wrestling matches in the White House, Kirk didn't wanna take the chance and lose to him. Remember, Kirk doesn't believe in "No Win Scenarios", so much so he cheated in an unwinnable simulation.
Mr President may i ask u a question? The last time i saw u you were hunting vampires.the only logical explanation was aliens brought u forward in time.but what for and why did they abandon you
Noticed for the first time that Lincoln walks to the doors expecting them to open automatically. Why would he be expecting them to open if he knows nothing else about 23rd century technology?
He was about 3 feet from the door when they opened , so he just walked through ....there was no need for him to act shocked or ask questions on why the doors just opened ....he already was told about the music and transportation .
And met a bunch of other personages of historical significance, as well as popularized the phrase "Be excellent to each other...and...PARTY ON, DUDES!"
To be honest, "taped" didn't mean it was played by tape. In the 1960s, the concept of a computer relying on data storage other than 1) punch cards, 2) paper punch tape , or 3) reel to reel tapes was bordering on unheard of or impossible to imagine. When the show aired, the plastic covered cartridges they called tapes that stored data operated more likely as if they were hard drives or something akin to sd cards... But as much as technology has advanced since the 1960s now, imagine 200-250 years further into the future. That said, "back then" the terminology of "taped music" or "taped audio" was most often slang for recorded music or recorded audio, which, even on a CD or mp3 or any other digital format, the audio had to be recorded for it to exist in digital form. Comparing that to live performance (as described from an 1800s perspective) is enough clarity for the story in the scene.
Lee is So good as Lincoln. It's too bad sci-fi almost never gets any respect from the television academy because this guy gave an emmy-calibre performance here.
Actually Star Trek was nominated for many Emmy's during the show's network run including best actor for both Shatner and Nimoy. I'm not sure how many the show won, however.
@@jasonstarr6419 Of course there is no underwear. If you wear anything under it then it's a skirt. (By the way I wear kilts for Ren Faire and for the summer months they are comfortable and cool. Better than shorts. Sorry to disappoint but if I am performing in a kilt I wear dark underwear. Need to keep it family friendly... Go ahead someone need to say it wold be more disappointing if I wore nothing and an insult to the Celts.
"*At my age* I'm not very dangerous." Important qualifier since in his younger years Abe was a pretty accomplished wrestler. Legend goes when challenged a known cheater, Lincoln during the match was so enraged by the dirty tricks of his opponent (below the belt hits) lifted the guy by the neck ala Darth Vader and tossed him from the ring.
Lincoln was a dab hand with a broadsword also. He was once challenged to a duel and as the aggrieved party, he chose broadsword. At the duel site (an island in the Mississippi between Iowa and Illinois), the two parties refused to reconcile...until Lincoln casually began chopping branches off a nearby tree with his long arms. The other guy who'd challenged him promptly called off the duel and reconciled their disagreement. :)
@@PaulCashman Being a wood cutter has its advantages 😉 but the man is the only president to own a patent apart from his keen wit and brilliant mind. Truly one of the greatest US presidents ever.
Lincoln was immensely strong. One time in his younger days he was repairing a chicken coop. He had to move the entire wooden structure. So he hoisted on to his back and carried it. It weighed some 600 pounds!
I expect he would acknowledge that, like his predecessors, some of his efforts and opinions would turn out, upon future reflection, to have been misguided.
T I believe it was the norsemen who said that you only truly die when no-one remembers your existence. Leonard Nimoy will live forever in his iconic role as Spock. Ergo, I'm down with live long and prosper.
The writers, and or the actors certainly did their homework! “I hope to have time to speak to each of you” was a staple of Lincoln in such occasions. It was also his way of saying “dismissed” :-)
These are Red Shirts, they already know anything they see is trying to kill them... Lucky if they can get through 30 minutes without one or more dying... Rough Job !
@Denise Armstrong: My hero is Abraham Lincoln a real life hero. Then Captain Kirk my fantasy badass hero in one room I am in heaven. Is this what you are trying to say?
It always struck me as funny that Kirk went along with Lincoln knowing full well it was an Alien or whatever. Yet he asks God why he needs a spaceship. Spock did the same with his Alien from Vulcan (sorry I forget his name )
Still, the way they make it sound, the "copies" are created with the mind that might as well be the original, so as far as they know, they are that person.
Even though that was a duplicate of Abraham Lincoln,Captain Kirk & his crew did show him respect and wore their dress uniforms to await his arrival. If the President of the United Federation of Planets was going to be making a visit to the Enterprise,they would play the taped music for him as they did for Lincoln's duplicate.
@@boss-anova watching TOS you see plenty of visiting officials that do not get the honor that was given to Lincoln. Thus... my statement of "it's called class" still stands.
Ben Der... I take it you don't watch much TOS? now... trf12567 does raise a good point... usually you don't aim phasers.... but at the same token the honor guard does not carry empty weapons today either. What if this had been Lincoln? What if it had been an evil impersonator? I am not exactly sure what Present Arms would look like in Star Fleet. Nor am I familiar with what they would consider low ready versus high ready... it would be interesting to see this episode remade with the close advisement of police and military advisors.
Mr Lincoln would have been much taller than Kirk, even with Shatner's high-healed boots. Mr Shatner was 5' 9" on a good day. Lincoln was 6' 4". I kid, even though this was one of my favorite episodes.😊❤
ive loved star trek ever since it aired in the 60s and i always liked this episode, lincoln was such a kind humble man in this episode and he wanted to talk to the crew and greet all of them, as a kid i remember being so sad when he was killed , , , , that nasty col. green was such a back stabber how fitting that he actually got stabbed in the back at the end , absolute wonderful tv show!
This is a very good episode. The only problem with it is that, throughout, Kirk and his crew are acting on the assumption that the historical figures they are interacting with are mere illusions of some kind. Just here, Scotty says he originally locked on to something mineral but then, at the end, Kirk asks the alien what he offered their opponents had they won the contest and the alien responds, "What they wanted most, power." That means they were, somehow, real.
My understanding is that these historical figures were in some way recreated or simulated as perfectly as the aliens could manage. Not quite the real article, but they'd readily believe themselves to be so, and would think and act very closely to the individuals they were based on.
Actually, that was just a ruse to make Kirk and Spock comply with the experiment. The other six characters were merely metamorphosed rock creatures, to enact the battle. Maybe try paying more attention, next time.
Actually, Security Officer Dickerson is a sly, indirect reference by Roddenberry to Lincoln's personal bodyguard and companion between September 1862 and April 1863 (they shared a bed during the absences of Lincoln's wife), Captain David Derickson (he had a dick like a derrick), with whom some historians theorize (amply endowed are they with more than sufficient circumstantial evidence) Lincoln had a homosexual relationship.
This was a pretty awesome episode, gorn fight scene and all. Lincoln was always curious about all manner of invention. Anything that could improve the state of the union or end the war sooner was welcome. He was a very accessible President to the alarm of some concerned for his security. Each day if possible he entertained visitors. They came from far and wide, to see the great man, or to present their ideas, and he listened earnestly and defused tensions with his gentle humor or his back country analogies. He was open to ideas from every quarter, never pretending that he knew everything better, but using his best judgment and the best information he could gather to make decisions. A model leader, a great man.
And just food for thought. When Abe Lincoln was assassinated by Boothe, he was a Democrat. The Confederate South breaking away was orchestrated by Democrats who always wanted slavery. Even the KKK was created by the Democrats. The GOP (Republicans) were actually formed to combat slavery. Even to this day the welfare system is designed to keep people enslaved/dependant upon the Government. Welfare is an invention of the Democrats. It's a shame few people know all the real facts.
The movie "Lincoln" with Daniel Day Lewis is perfection. That Lincoln is the one I imagined in my mind. I don't think I have ever seen an Actor better portray someone from history.
Lincoln was beaten by his dad as a child. Then his father would dress everyone up on Sunday morning for church. He grew up hating God. He carried a Bible as a young adult so he would be asked about it and he could start an argument. Eventually God used him in a mighty way. Abe Lincoln became a believer despite his childhood and he rose to the Presidency. A great man. He believed the Civil War was God’s judgment for the sin of slavery.
thunder bolt First of all, no it isn't. Secondly, how do you know I wasn't talking to him? I talk to him all the time. Thirdly, god isn't his name, it's his species. yahweh is his name. And most importantly (and I said this already) the commandment in question is a prohibition against breaking an oath made in the name of god. If you haven't sworn an oath then you can't be breaking one, can you? Open your bible once in a while before you make people hate us believers even more with your blasphemous ignorance of what it says
thunder bolt You get to heaven by believing Jesus died for you. It helps to look a few things up about ancient hebrew culture. A lot of the bible was written with things they already understood. The phrase "taking a name" means to swear an oath by someone. It doesn't mean 'saying a name'. Unfortunately over time the jews developed their own equally incorrect taboo about this commandment, and believed it meant to never say 'yahweh' at ALL. Even though we know for a fact Moses said it and various other people said it.. and it's right there in the bible to read aloud. But even so, 'god' isn't his name. it's a german word that germans were using long before they ever heard of the god of abraham isaac and jacob. And it isn't smart to edit your behavior "just in case" someone might think you're sinning. That's the way of pharisees and saducees, and it makes religion look terrible to everyone with any sense.
thunder bolt I didn't say 'know', I said 'believe'. The demons _know_ it happened. That's why god can't just prove stuff, then it's no longer faith, it's knowledge. A computer can know facts, only a human soul can hold beliefs.
The problem with this scene is when Scotty is talking to McCoy about what he locked onto. A device that has to discriminate down to the atom and it couldn't tell if the living rock was Lincoln or something standing next to him. I realize its a plot device, but really.
Those 2 security guards were sure surprised to see Abraham Lincoln form on the transporter pad. The savage curtain was the last time on Star Trek:TOS that the dress uniforms were worn and Scotty wearing a kilt with his dress uniform.
Notice only McCoy and Spock the only ones that call Kirk by the name Jim. Likewise in TNG Beverly the only person that call Picard by his first name Jean Luc
Imagine how Kirk must have felt when "Lincoln" appeared...the Lincoln in Kirk's mind-imagination. Like when we read a book and imagine the imagery in our minds....perfectly....according to us. Like Spock says in the end, how could he have been anything else than what Kirk thought he would be.
@Mr. Al I think Gestapo was referring to the fact that in this scene, it doesn't appear that Lincoln should have known their names yet, as he was just beamed aboard.
I'm reminded of a time, about 20 years ago, I mentioned to a teen coworker that my Mom still had a working rotary phone. His reply was, "What's a rotary phone?"
Could be a holdover term, just like how people still call movies "films" despite the fact that the common medium these days for the transportation of films are completely electronic/virtual (even DVDs are going out of fashion)...
This is because our schools have ceased to teach true history. Kids of today know more about the revisionist history, the romanticized stories, and the conspiracy theories.
@MrConundrum2020 a lifeform that looks like a Terran who died April 15, 1865 on a alien planet in a far distanced star system...every reason to be cautious!
@@dougwebb704 "The Savage Curtain" was the series antepenultimate episode. "Spock's Brain", bad as it was (Ed Wood funny, though), was still only the first episode of Season 3. After that very inauspicious start, the last season had quite a few excellent episodes - "Spectre of the Gun" being one of my favorites of the entire series.
The man that's playing President Abraham Lincoln in the 1980s he was in the miniseries North and South the miniseries with Patrick Swayze he played a Frenchman that owned a plantation in South Carolina and in Louisiana
Actor Lee Bergie was Abe Lincoln, Robert Huron was Kales the Klingon, who also was Sam in Charlie X, and was also the birdlike creature in the first pilot episode The Cage. Also, in this episode, we all got a chance to meet Surik, actor Barry Atwater, who taught and established peacefulness and logic as well as dispencing of emotions on his planet Vulcan and is revered as being the greatest Vulcan alive. He also tried to deal with the remaining violent Vulcans who didn't accept logic as a key factor in saving the planet Vulcan from extinction, so, those violent Vulcans were sent by the Peservers, an alien race of beings who reseeded others in other parts of the galaxy whare they could form and become another society, this is whare the Romulans from the Romulus Remus section of the galaxy were from, and sprung from the Vulcan race as they were are at one time Vulcsns.
The real Lincoln was 6'-4'' inches tall. He would appear much taller next to Kirk's 5'-10'' height. Plus, his voice wasn't as deep as the Begere's. But, Begere was good casting as Lincoln.
Maybe they should have told Lincoln that when he got back, it would be in his best interest to stay away from every theatre and to never let any man named John near him.
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I like how Kirk says "The USS Enterprise is honored to have you aboard Mr. President" while 2 phasers are trained at Lincoln.
Deveriam não apontar armas para um Presidente americano . A USS Enterprise é comandada por americano .
Lincoln was known for having wrestling matches in the White House, Kirk didn't wanna take the chance and lose to him. Remember, Kirk doesn't believe in "No Win Scenarios", so much so he cheated in an unwinnable simulation.
Wouldn't be the first time Lincoln had a gun pointed at him
a gun solute is respectful, not malice!
@@wolfkniteX Lincoln should have punched the alien, not a starfleet officer! Kirk should have been above such childishness
Lincoln was a huge Trek fan, sadly this was his last TV appearance before his death.
It was an alien called an Excalbian that was using it's ability to transform into the likenesses of Lincoln.
They had to use Rex Harrison as a stand in after that.
I heard that when Nichelle Nichols was thinking of leaving the show, he encouraged her to stay on. It's a shame he lost that duel with JFK.
@@MarcillaSmith MLK, Jr. asked Nichelle to stay on. She relates this story in an interview you may find on YT.
As reported as TRUTH by FOX NEWS!
I was very honored that they asked me to make a cameo on this show.
Abraham Lincoln lol.
Abraham Lincoln ... thank you for being a trecky.
@Anton Boludo - not to mention - your face immortalized on a $5 bill😊
Mr President may i ask u a question? The last time i saw u you were hunting vampires.the only logical explanation was aliens brought u forward in time.but what for and why did they abandon you
@Tucker Carlson not even close🤣
Abraham Lincoln is entirely unphased at his new reality.
He’s seen weirder.
Because hes an alien impostor
Well, he's fought vampires, so aliens ain't shit to him.
I heard he is actually a clone of the original Abraham Lincoln.
In the episode, he is materialized out of thin air. As far as he knows he actually is lincoln.
Noticed for the first time that Lincoln walks to the doors expecting them to open automatically. Why would he be expecting them to open if he knows nothing else about 23rd century technology?
sohsie Excellent catch. He was walking way to fast as well. Walking like he knew where he was going.
Nah, he just thought they must have a couple nice slaves opening and closing the doors for us!
He was about 3 feet from the door when they opened , so he just walked through ....there was no need for him to act shocked or ask questions on why the doors just opened ....he already was told about the music and transportation .
He grew up in a log cabin. They had no doors; they just walked through the opening. It was natural for him!
Being dead has it privileges. He can see how the world changes.
I thought Lincoln would say something like, "Very colorful uniforms, sir."
Or maybe "kick the yankees"
"Thats an mp3, sir. Playing off of Spock's Ipod, sir."
They dont have ipods in the future. Shit we barely have ipods now.
@@bundleization yes, Ipods are obsolete in the 23rd century. But apparently “tapes” made a comeback tho....,
@@davidjames666 You would need a lot of digital memory to capture the frequency range of a tape or a record
It’s funny how far ahead of *some* of ST:TOS we’ve gotten. Warp Drive and Transporters... eh, not so much.
Where's the gramophone?
The longer the years pass the more brilliant this series becomes. Unmatchable 💯
Indeed. So far ahead of it's time.
Not 100, but fourscore and seven
Some episodes were unwatchable, TBF. For every City on the Edge of Forever there's a Spock's Brain.
Lincoln saw vampires, aliens(spock) and mans from far future.
What a man!
And met a bunch of other personages of historical significance, as well as popularized the phrase "Be excellent to each other...and...PARTY ON, DUDES!"
I guess “cassette tapes” will come back in the future.
Well, vinyl and VHS sort of did, so why not?
They never went away.
This was from 1969. MP3's would be as strange to them back then as tapes would be to Abe Lincoln.
What is this taped music of which you speak??? A most interesting vessel.
Completely ignores automatic doors
To be honest, "taped" didn't mean it was played by tape. In the 1960s, the concept of a computer relying on data storage other than 1) punch cards, 2) paper punch tape , or 3) reel to reel tapes was bordering on unheard of or impossible to imagine. When the show aired, the plastic covered cartridges they called tapes that stored data operated more likely as if they were hard drives or something akin to sd cards... But as much as technology has advanced since the 1960s now, imagine 200-250 years further into the future. That said, "back then" the terminology of "taped music" or "taped audio" was most often slang for recorded music or recorded audio, which, even on a CD or mp3 or any other digital format, the audio had to be recorded for it to exist in digital form. Comparing that to live performance (as described from an 1800s perspective) is enough clarity for the story in the scene.
Lee is So good as Lincoln. It's too bad sci-fi almost never gets any respect from the television academy because this guy gave an emmy-calibre performance here.
Actually Star Trek was nominated for many Emmy's during the show's network run including best actor for both Shatner and Nimoy. I'm not sure how many the show won, however.
@@MrPeterbs Nominated for eleven different Emmys, never won though.
@@odysseusrex5908 -thanks for the info.
I liked the episode a lot. Especially the ending. You can tell that Kirk and Spock both admired Lincoln.
How was the President's reception handled by Star Fleet Ensign Booth?
They tapped Kirk and Spock's minds to create the personalities which they imagined those historical figures had.
It was hard watching him die
Scotty's dress uniform is BADASS
Scotty is Badass, full stop.
I liked that tartan kilt over his left shoulder.
Much better than the crap they had for TNG
being a kilt... no underwear perhaps.. wouldn't that be "bareass"?
@@jasonstarr6419 Of course there is no underwear. If you wear anything under it then it's a skirt. (By the way I wear kilts for Ren Faire and for the summer months they are comfortable and cool. Better than shorts. Sorry to disappoint but if I am performing in a kilt I wear dark underwear. Need to keep it family friendly... Go ahead someone need to say it wold be more disappointing if I wore nothing and an insult to the Celts.
4 score and 300 years ago!
Really? 300 years? Lincoln had only been dead for 104 years when this episode aired.
+DaReeldeal13 The episode took place quite a few years after it aired...
Paul Robert Yeah I realized that soon after but I didn't feel the need to comment again.
S. Adam Bernstein ERB
A score is 20 years, 4 score and 7 years is 87 years. 4 score and 300 years is correctly written as 19 score.
"*At my age* I'm not very dangerous." Important qualifier since in his younger years Abe was a pretty accomplished wrestler. Legend goes when challenged a known cheater, Lincoln during the match was so enraged by the dirty tricks of his opponent (below the belt hits) lifted the guy by the neck ala Darth Vader and tossed him from the ring.
And also a vampire hunter 🤣
Lincoln was a dab hand with a broadsword also. He was once challenged to a duel and as the aggrieved party, he chose broadsword. At the duel site (an island in the Mississippi between Iowa and Illinois), the two parties refused to reconcile...until Lincoln casually began chopping branches off a nearby tree with his long arms.
The other guy who'd challenged him promptly called off the duel and reconciled their disagreement. :)
@@PaulCashman That's how you win a fight without fighting...scare the shit out of your opponent
@@PaulCashman Being a wood cutter has its advantages 😉 but the man is the only president to own a patent apart from his keen wit and brilliant mind. Truly one of the greatest US presidents ever.
Lincoln was immensely strong. One time in his younger days he was repairing a chicken coop. He had to move the entire wooden structure. So he hoisted on to his back and carried it. It weighed some 600 pounds!
Honest Abe is so lucky. Meeting the crew of the Enterprise and also meeting Bill and Ted...Excellent!!!
Star Trek will be as always the most awesome show timeless
Star wars had bad actors.
It's not very "timeless" if they think we'll still use tapes in the future
Taking everything into consideration, this is the best ever TV series.
When he left his last words were: PARTY ON DUDES!
I understood that reference.
Not to be too corny, but that was an EXCELLENT comment!
@@ChrisCa1601 and yours as well!
@@Strive1324L One might say, MOST EXCELLENT!
Be excellent to each other!
I miss these old shows. Star Trek was the coolest of the cool.
Be sure to check out Star Trek Continues!
I wonder what Mr. Lincoln thought about his good name being stripped from a San Francisco high school by a fashionably sanctimonious school board?
Social(ist) Justice
if it is good and wholesome it must be removed so that degeneracy can be accelerated.
I expect he would acknowledge that, like his predecessors, some of his efforts and opinions would turn out, upon future reflection, to have been misguided.
I'm unfamiliar with this. What had happened?
RIP Leonard Nimoy aka Spock. You are and shall ever be my favorite alien. Live long, and prosper...
How is he going to live long? Lol!
T I believe it was the norsemen who said that you only truly die when no-one remembers your existence.
Leonard Nimoy will live forever in his iconic role as Spock. Ergo, I'm down with live long and prosper.
His roles as a cowboy sure weren't noteworthy.
The writers, and or the actors certainly did their homework! “I hope to have time to speak to each of you” was a staple of Lincoln in such occasions. It was also his way of saying “dismissed” :-)
The actor who played Lincoln in this episode did an outstanding job. I hope the real man was similar to this portrayal.
Um...usually the honor guard isn't pointing their weapons AT the one they're honoring.
I assume you've never been to a democrat fund raising event?
At this point did they know it was an alien called an Excalbian that was using it's ability to transform into the likenesses of Lincoln ?
These are Red Shirts, they already know anything they see is trying to kill them...
Lucky if they can get through 30 minutes without one or more dying... Rough Job !
Lincoln arrives not in a horse-drawn buggy but a 23rd Century transporter. How cool!
One of the best representations too Abe Lincoln Beams Aboard
If those are weapons, please lower them.. The thought of weapons pointed at me makes the back of my head hurt!
It was also Crew Theater Night. Poor timing . . .
A groaner that Jay Leno would say "what is the problem, too soon ?".
I like the old Starship Enterprise episodes to watch fascinating 🖖😀👍
My two hero's Abe Lincoln a real life history hero . Then Captain Kirk my fantasy badass hero in one room I am in hero heaven .
Mean wile at Ford's theater, Lincoln has nodded off into deep sleep.
@@johnbockelie3899
Don't you mean to say: "meanwhile" versus what you wrote down?
@Denise Armstrong:
My hero is Abraham Lincoln a real life hero. Then Captain Kirk my fantasy badass hero in one room I am in heaven.
Is this what you are trying to say?
It always struck me as funny that Kirk went along with Lincoln knowing full well it was an Alien or whatever. Yet he asks God why he needs a spaceship. Spock did the same with his Alien from Vulcan (sorry I forget his name )
Still, the way they make it sound, the "copies" are created with the mind that might as well be the original, so as far as they know, they are that person.
Surak....founder of Vulcan Logic
Rex Hamilton as Abraham Lincoln
I got that reference.
I remember this episode. Hated when Lincoln died, again!
Next time on Star Trek: Donald Trump beams aboard the Enterprise... xD
let him go, let him go, let him go!!!!! For WORLD GOOD and for ours!!!!!
Well he and William Shatner have the same Barber.
He would make Star Trek great again
You are wrong. You are the problem.
They'd quickly beam him back out into space.
Lincoln man of future
Even though that was a duplicate of Abraham Lincoln,Captain Kirk & his crew did show him respect and wore their dress uniforms to await his arrival. If the President of the United Federation of Planets was going to be making a visit to the Enterprise,they would play the taped music for him as they did for Lincoln's duplicate.
it's called class.
@@briangriffin9793 or standard protocol for a visiting official.
@@boss-anova watching TOS you see plenty of visiting officials that do not get the honor that was given to Lincoln. Thus... my statement of "it's called class" still stands.
@@briangriffin9793 did you want to cite an example?
Ben Der... I take it you don't watch much TOS?
now... trf12567 does raise a good point... usually you don't aim phasers.... but at the same token the honor guard does not carry empty weapons today either. What if this had been Lincoln? What if it had been an evil impersonator? I am not exactly sure what Present Arms would look like in Star Fleet. Nor am I familiar with what they would consider low ready versus high ready... it would be interesting to see this episode remade with the close advisement of police and military advisors.
Two centuries from now they go back to taped music.
Mr Lincoln would have been much taller than Kirk, even with Shatner's high-healed boots. Mr Shatner was 5' 9" on a good day. Lincoln was 6' 4". I kid, even though this was one of my favorite episodes.😊❤
ive loved star trek ever since it aired in the 60s and i always liked this episode, lincoln was such a kind humble man in this episode and he wanted to talk to the crew and greet all of them, as a kid i remember being so sad when he was killed , , , , that nasty col. green was such a back stabber how fitting that he actually got stabbed in the back at the end , absolute wonderful tv show!
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And Abe wasn't even fazed by the self-opening doors... hihihi
The second part of this episode was never aired. President Lincoln freed the slaves of Rigel 10. And there was much rejoicing.
Abraham Lincoln was my all-time favorite president.
mine is Abraham Simpson...aka Joe Biden
Lee Bergere did a fantastic job portraying Abraham Lincoln.
This is a very good episode. The only problem with it is that, throughout, Kirk and his crew are acting on the assumption that the historical figures they are interacting with are mere illusions of some kind. Just here, Scotty says he originally locked on to something mineral but then, at the end, Kirk asks the alien what he offered their opponents had they won the contest and the alien responds, "What they wanted most, power." That means they were, somehow, real.
My understanding is that these historical figures were in some way recreated or simulated as perfectly as the aliens could manage. Not quite the real article, but they'd readily believe themselves to be so, and would think and act very closely to the individuals they were based on.
Actually, that was just a ruse to make Kirk and Spock comply with the experiment. The other six characters were merely metamorphosed rock creatures, to enact the battle. Maybe try paying more attention, next time.
Officer Dickerson's soooo dead.
Actually, Security Officer Dickerson is a sly, indirect reference by Roddenberry to Lincoln's personal bodyguard and companion between September 1862 and April 1863 (they shared a bed during the absences of Lincoln's wife), Captain David Derickson (he had a dick like a derrick), with whom some historians theorize (amply endowed are they with more than sufficient circumstantial evidence) Lincoln had a homosexual relationship.
This was a pretty awesome episode, gorn fight scene and all. Lincoln was always curious about all manner of invention. Anything that could improve the state of the union or end the war sooner was welcome. He was a very accessible President to the alarm of some concerned for his security. Each day if possible he entertained visitors. They came from far and wide, to see the great man, or to present their ideas, and he listened earnestly and defused tensions with his gentle humor or his back country analogies. He was open to ideas from every quarter, never pretending that he knew everything better, but using his best judgment and the best information he could gather to make decisions. A model leader, a great man.
Man, could we ever use such a statesman now.
And just food for thought. When Abe Lincoln was assassinated by Boothe, he was a Democrat. The Confederate South breaking away was orchestrated by Democrats who always wanted slavery. Even the KKK was created by the Democrats. The GOP (Republicans) were actually formed to combat slavery. Even to this day the welfare system is designed to keep people enslaved/dependant upon the Government. Welfare is an invention of the Democrats. It's a shame few people know all the real facts.
The movie "Lincoln" with Daniel Day Lewis is perfection. That Lincoln is the one I imagined in my mind. I don't think I have ever seen an Actor better portray someone from history.
Lincoln was beaten by his dad as a child. Then his father would dress everyone up on Sunday morning for church. He grew up hating God. He carried a Bible as a young adult so he would be asked about it and he could start an argument. Eventually God used him in a mighty way. Abe Lincoln became a believer despite his childhood and he rose to the Presidency. A great man. He believed the Civil War was God’s judgment for the sin of slavery.
The Gorn was not in this episode. That was a different episode.
The Enterprise is honored to have you aboard. So honored that two of my security guards have phasers trained on you.
God it looks just like him. even the mole is right. Lincoln in Bill n' Ted was well cast too.
thunder bolt
What? I didn't. If I said "I swear to god that looks like lincoln" and it actually didn't, then you could complain.
thunder bolt
as an interjection, what else?
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First of all, no it isn't. Secondly, how do you know I wasn't talking to him? I talk to him all the time. Thirdly, god isn't his name, it's his species. yahweh is his name. And most importantly (and I said this already) the commandment in question is a prohibition against breaking an oath made in the name of god. If you haven't sworn an oath then you can't be breaking one, can you?
Open your bible once in a while before you make people hate us believers even more with your blasphemous ignorance of what it says
thunder bolt
You get to heaven by believing Jesus died for you.
It helps to look a few things up about ancient hebrew culture. A lot of the bible was written with things they already understood. The phrase "taking a name" means to swear an oath by someone. It doesn't mean 'saying a name'. Unfortunately over time the jews developed their own equally incorrect taboo about this commandment, and believed it meant to never say 'yahweh' at ALL. Even though we know for a fact Moses said it and various other people said it.. and it's right there in the bible to read aloud.
But even so, 'god' isn't his name. it's a german word that germans were using long before they ever heard of the god of abraham isaac and jacob.
And it isn't smart to edit your behavior "just in case" someone might think you're sinning. That's the way of pharisees and saducees, and it makes religion look terrible to everyone with any sense.
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I didn't say 'know', I said 'believe'. The demons _know_ it happened. That's why god can't just prove stuff, then it's no longer faith, it's knowledge. A computer can know facts, only a human soul can hold beliefs.
The problem with this scene is when Scotty is talking to McCoy about what he locked onto. A device that has to discriminate down to the atom and it couldn't tell if the living rock was Lincoln or something standing next to him. I realize its a plot device, but really.
Those 2 security guards were sure surprised to see Abraham Lincoln form on the transporter pad. The savage curtain was the last time on Star Trek:TOS that the dress uniforms were worn and Scotty wearing a kilt with his dress uniform.
I don't know how Dr McCoy felt about this as he is a Southerner, he doesn't seem too enamoured.
Big BRUH moment i never thought of that 😂😂💀
Lincoln was born a Southerner.
From Kentucky. He moved North as a young boy. His second VP was a Southerner.
Notice only McCoy and Spock the only ones that call Kirk by the name Jim. Likewise in TNG Beverly the only person that call Picard by his first name Jean Luc
yo CBS yall should reuopload these in 4k and reap the rewards
Not one of TOS better episodes, but Lee Bergere makes a credible Lincoln only really lacking Lincoln's Kentucky twang.
"That's "taped" music Sir" - Eventually we discard digital recordings and revert back to magnetic tape. As it should be.
Imagine how Kirk must have felt when "Lincoln" appeared...the Lincoln in Kirk's mind-imagination. Like when we read a book and imagine the imagery in our minds....perfectly....according to us. Like Spock says in the end, how could he have been anything else than what Kirk thought he would be.
Poor Lincoln has to be greeted with guns pointed at him aboard the Enterprise.
Seems he can't catch a break!
Well, that rock in 2021, is now called Mr. Joe Biden.
Well maybe now you can crawl back under it where you belong.
@@haroldbeck4351 Why would we? We were doing great until the likes of you and Biden came out of 2020's ass.
Lincoln called Spock and McCoy by name before the introductions.
@Mr. Al I think Gestapo was referring to the fact that in this scene, it doesn't appear that Lincoln should have known their names yet, as he was just beamed aboard.
Interesting heh????????;-)
Mr Spock would have to explain 'tape ' to modern generation.
I'm reminded of a time, about 20 years ago, I mentioned to a teen coworker that my Mom still had a working rotary phone. His reply was, "What's a rotary phone?"
If it was Nixon, he'd well understand!
Image of Lincoln. Image of Surok. could be. depends on how you look at it.
Abraham Lincoln : Vampire Hunter the movie is more plausible and realistic than this episode he is in.
An Honor Guard of only two? Surely a President of the United States of America rates better.
tape lol
Could be a holdover term, just like how people still call movies "films" despite the fact that the common medium these days for the transportation of films are completely electronic/virtual (even DVDs are going out of fashion)...
Except it hasn't held over... we say "recorded" today.
@@mikicerise6250 "Recorded" doesn't mean anything specific. It just means to capture information and store it.
I hear people say "Filming" when recording video on their smart phones.
FYI....set in the 1960s.
Why is this content restricted? Did TH-cam really not learn the lesson the Uhura was trying to teach?
Abe was taller than this jabronie!
There are very few images of Lincoln, actually wearing that style of hat.
There are also very few images of him with a beard.
Lincoln wasn't tall enough. He's only a few inches taller than Kirk. Shatner is 5'10. Lincoln was 6'4.
Lincoln is asking questions that would not be in his mind. Due to no knowledge of future technology
Such as?
He literally lost his brains back in 1865
Abraham Lincoln had slaves because everyone else had slaves and it would have been rude to not have slaves.
Where did you get the idea that Abraham Lincoln owned slaves? He didn't.
Why is this video age restricted? Heh
It's a plastic prop, not a weapon
Don't want kids asking questions about a Republican President no doubt !
D.A. Risse Lincol Republicans were left wing
It works on my phone
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Maybe President Lincoln, if alive, would have thought that Trump was a greedy sob for not accepting his defeat to Joe Biden.
James Kirk should've requested Starfleet Command to have a starship named after Abraham Lincoln after his duplicate appeared on the Enterprise.
I remember seeing this when I was around 4 and being terrified of the Lincoln doppelgänger for some reason lol.
"I freed the slaves but in the future unemployed white kids with a Liberal Arts Degree will call me a racist"- Abraham Lincoln
This is because our schools have ceased to teach true history. Kids of today know more about the revisionist history, the romanticized stories, and the conspiracy theories.
If only they would have beamed up Donald J. Trump.
They would have been most impressed.
I wouldn't. Not anymore.
Why does Scott have a scrap of tartan on his shoulder?
They rate this TV-14?!?! Really! Family guy YES, but Star Trek 69??????
@MrConundrum2020 a lifeform that looks like a Terran who died April 15, 1865 on a alien planet in a far distanced star system...every reason to be cautious!
Why are the phasers still being held on the President? lol
Daniel D Lewis looks more like Lincoln.
Pretty much jumps the shark here.
Na, that honour goes to the episode, "Spock's Brain".
It was pretty much all over after that.
@@dougwebb704 "The Savage Curtain" was the series antepenultimate episode. "Spock's Brain", bad as it was (Ed Wood funny, though), was still only the first episode of Season 3. After that very inauspicious start, the last season had quite a few excellent episodes - "Spectre of the Gun" being one of my favorites of the entire series.
Taped music. The future is archaic. :-)
They have warp drive but they still use tapes for music.
Seems legit...
Nobody foresaw CDs or MP3s in 1968.
they did outlaw autotune though
@@dalethelander3781 i know. Was just funny.
Outside of that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?
The man that's playing President Abraham Lincoln in the 1980s he was in the miniseries North and South the miniseries with Patrick Swayze he played a Frenchman that owned a plantation in South Carolina and in Louisiana
Were you born in 1518?
Scotty in full Scottish dress uniform
Actor Lee Bergie was Abe Lincoln, Robert Huron was Kales the Klingon, who also was Sam in Charlie X, and was also the birdlike creature in the first pilot episode The Cage. Also, in this episode, we all got a chance to meet Surik, actor Barry Atwater, who taught and established peacefulness and logic as well as dispencing of emotions on his planet Vulcan and is revered as being the greatest Vulcan alive. He also tried to deal with the remaining violent Vulcans who didn't accept logic as a key factor in saving the planet Vulcan from extinction, so, those violent Vulcans were sent by the Peservers, an alien race of beings who reseeded others in other parts of the galaxy whare they could form and become another society, this is whare the Romulans from the Romulus Remus section of the galaxy were from, and sprung from the Vulcan race as they were are at one time Vulcsns.
Lee Bergere was Lincoln; Barry Atwater was Surak. Barry was in the original Night Stalker movie, while Lee was in the original Dynasty series.
*Kahless
*Surak
Enterprise new callsign
Air Force One
The real Lincoln was 6'-4'' inches tall. He would appear much taller next to Kirk's 5'-10'' height. Plus, his voice wasn't as deep as the Begere's. But, Begere was good casting as Lincoln.
Not a good omen for Lt. Dickerson. Red shirt, plus being called out by name. It's curtains for him.
*Security has guns pointed at him.
Lincoln: ‘oh no, it’s the theatre booth seen all over again.’
‘Please lower them.’
‘Please clap.’
Crew members in line of fire
"Oh no. It's the theater booth scene all over again."
I see what you did there....
"What was that play about again?"
"Taped" music ... that's so 70's retro. Electronically recorded music would have been easier to explain.
Remember that this was filmed in the late 60's. Digital recording wasn't commercially available yet.
That's kinda' my point. A modern digital recording is being referred to here as having been "taped." @@CarpeVerpa
Lincoln is almost a foot short here
The real Lincoln (or tallest president) was 6'4". This one looked almost that tall.
30 centimeters
Apparently Lincoln got much shorter in death.
This is one of my favorite episodes of any science fiction show ever.
Taped music? In the 23rd century? Fascinating!
Fascination (1983) The Human League
Hopefully they don't send him back afterwards and let his fate play out the same way again.
Maybe they should have told Lincoln that when he got back, it would be in his best interest to stay away from every theatre and to never let any man named John near him.
Or to get a body guard who wasnt a drunk.
Funny how Lincoln just walks for the door and is not surprised when it opens for him.