Koby Altman End-of-Season Media Availability

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  • Cleveland Cavaliers President of Basketball Operations speaks with the media at Cleveland Clinic Courts in Independence, Ohio on May 24, 2023.
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  • @basedgodbill
    @basedgodbill 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    Nah no way you guys are gonna let the internet gaslight you into thinking JB was a good coach, and Koby is a bad GM. Koby rebuilt this team from nothing in 3-4 years. JB couldn’t draw up a play to save his life. Bad rotations, clearly wasn’t liked by veterans. Cavs have made hard, but necessary decisions so far.

    • @peacefulwarrior9518
      @peacefulwarrior9518 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      There can be such a thing as a middle ground on thse topics. JB did well with developing young guys and coaching defense but not so well with coaching a deep playoff team with fluid offense. Koby did well with drafting talent, but then made some mistakes trying to turn talent into a team that makes sense. Koby maybe could still figure it out whereas JB's problems arnt going away next year. SO i mostly agree with you but it's not like JB achieved nothing.

    • @jadenuniverse9541
      @jadenuniverse9541 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@peacefulwarrior9518nah Bickerstaff is a lottery coach Altman was his dads friend so he gave him a pass when he should’ve been fired after the Knicks series now this franchise is a year late to getting a new coach

    • @basedgodbill
      @basedgodbill 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@peacefulwarrior9518 JB established a winning culture back in Cleveland. He was great for that. He didn’t fit with the team. I think he would do amazingly in Charlotte for example. If I were to reword my comment I would say “no way you guys think JB was a good coach for this team”

    • @domenicac.giampaolo9277
      @domenicac.giampaolo9277 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Jb should have been fired last year and could have gotten a good coach. I'm not sure who you can bring in now that has a successful track record.

    • @mileswestmoreland5515
      @mileswestmoreland5515 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Altman has been far from perfect lol

  • @RealTalkTone
    @RealTalkTone 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    JB wasn’t a good coach anyone that thinks otherwise didn’t watch the Cavs this last season

    • @tomk537
      @tomk537 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think JB was good for the rebuild - but not for winning big in playoffs - offense was so stuck

    • @thacryinggame
      @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You guys are missing it:
      This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

    • @UnworthyCretion
      @UnworthyCretion 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tomk537 Exactly

  • @TheTruth923
    @TheTruth923 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I respect J.B the man. He helped lift us up and grind us out of the bottom of the league. But it was apparent he was always going to be a bridge coach. His non-existent offensive system really hurt this team and hurt Mobleys development. Koby waited a year too long to make this shift when it was clear as day after the Knicks series. Now the coaching pool is very slim. We lost the chance to get one of the most promising coaches in the league in Jordi Fernandez. Koby needs to get this coaching hire correct. His job depends on it.
    Cavs also need to see how else they can supplement this team. Niang was a TERRIBLE signing. Strus is best coming off the bench. Cavs needs a 3 & D player with length. It's going to be a tough task. Can't trade one of the core 4's without creating another big hole.

    • @greyinglish6054
      @greyinglish6054 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I've been saying it. Give us jaden mcdaniels, derrick jones jr, herb jones, anyone like that with the current big 4 and see what happens lol. More rotational minutes for mobley and allen to not clog up the floor together. You can work strus okoro and merril in much easier with someone like that too. Really haven't seen one 6'7+ primary defender with a decent clip and playmaking ability on the cavs ever. Besides bron of course but he's one of one. Okoro fits the role so well he just doesn't have enough body to take everyone on that we need him too. Mobleys development isn't done and he isn't close to what he can be, we saw the first flashes of it in that semifinals he has potential to be a top 5 big.

    • @greatness3928
      @greatness3928 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      6 yrs still haven't got a legit sf smh

  • @ikidd06
    @ikidd06 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Koby needs to internalize that regular season means nothing. Please stop building these soft rosters. Basketball still a contact sport especially in the playoffs.

    • @tomk537
      @tomk537 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think this was more a JB thing - Koby lit into JB for playing Spida so many minutes in regular season (if we can believe reports)

  • @IsSkyyyyyyyy9264
    @IsSkyyyyyyyy9264 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think kobe altman is the greatest gm we ever had .

  • @louielou6489
    @louielou6489 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    JB is a good coach, but not what the Cavs need right now 🤷🏽 Move had to be made.

  • @user-hz4xu8ie9b
    @user-hz4xu8ie9b 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    thank you JB

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @tomk537
    @tomk537 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Listen to Koby talk about injuries, post all star play, using depth (CPJ, Merrill, etc.) - he saw what most fans who had issues with JB noticed

  • @wackkmann8146
    @wackkmann8146 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Just take max strus of the line up and get a bigger 3

    • @banditY2K
      @banditY2K 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Put Strus at the 2 and trade Garland for aforementioned bigger 3.

    • @AndrewPolander
      @AndrewPolander 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Koby wouldn't know a small forward if he walked in the room!

  • @loscrap
    @loscrap 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    if you say that we don't need big changes, then you should be fired too. We need at least 2 good wings, 1 to start and 1 to bench. I'm good if you won't trade Garland or Allen, they can perform better with a good coach and an offseason training session where they improve shooting(also Mobley needs) and how to be DAWGS. If you want a hint, I think that Niang+4 srp are enough to take DENI AVDIJA. Okoro is tradable, he doesn't improve in playoffs.

    • @tomk537
      @tomk537 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Not really disagreeing- but Koby can’t kill trade value by slamming players or sounding desperate

    • @loscrap
      @loscrap 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@tomk537 I'm fine with it, in fact I'd take both Garland and Allen. But Niang isn't good, he wasn't and I don't think he'll be good. Avdija is a playoff starter, can shoot. Needs to improve but he is young

  • @themadclevelandbrownsfan3080
    @themadclevelandbrownsfan3080 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Answer the question? What are YOU going to do to fix this roster? From listening to this it seems we are running it back 😢😢😢😢😢

    • @thacryinggame
      @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You guys are missing it:
      This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

    • @avonbarksdale91
      @avonbarksdale91 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thacryinggame stop crying. They’ll trade Allen and Garland will have a bounce back year.

  • @stanton8334
    @stanton8334 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s actually laughable that Koby kept his job and JB didn’t. Whatever you think of JB’s performance this past season, he wasn’t the source of our issues. The conversations have been centered around fit and roster construction, which isn’t JB’s fault. You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit. “JB is just bad bro.” Yeah? Well we were missing our “future franchise” player and former all star for a significant stretch and still managed to win nearly 50 games. And our offensive never looked more seamless than when Garland and Mobley weren’t on the floor. We’ve done nothing but improve year after year since Bron left, and that’s all under JB.
    I understand that coaching changes (often) are for reasons unrelated to competence in a vacuum. The reports say that he lost the locker room, so I agree, it was time to move on. But I’m not going to be convinced that JB was the main problem. And to the extent we’re apportioning fault, it’s more on the front office, i.e., Koby Altman and our jackass owner. And for anyone who disagrees, watch how quickly we move on from DG and/or JA this offseason. It’s rare you see both major roster reconstruction AND a coaching change. I hope JB lands on his feet somewhere. Start calling Koby Altman Koby Simpson for the murder he just got away with.

  • @michaelj.k.9408
    @michaelj.k.9408 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think people underestimate the effect of JB not utilizing the roster he had well enough. There’s a lot of talent, but we had no cohesive complete identity, based around each players talents as part of the whole. Koby not wanting to blow it up, I believe is correct. Aggressively pursue one wing and hire someone who utilizes our gold mine of talent.

  • @XXXXDarkCaesarXXXX
    @XXXXDarkCaesarXXXX 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He said “The Contract” which means things are in place!

  • @scottrichards3587
    @scottrichards3587 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love how Altman is fooling everyone into thinking DM remains a Cav while quitely working behind the media lines to maximize the return in trading him. Koby would be a tough poker opponent. Cavs should get some top level 3+D wings and good draft picks. I bet Spida teams up with Unicorn in a Spurs jersey. Johnson, Sochan, Osman, and 3 #1 picks for Mitchell, Niang, and Thompson.

  • @JF238xLearning
    @JF238xLearning 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Time for the Cavs to get back on the path of contention for an NBA championship again. Cavs have a championship winning history and need to build on their championship winning culture moving forward. LETS GO CAVS!!

    • @thacryinggame
      @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You guys are missing it:
      This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. DAN IS THE ONE PLAYING GENERAL MANAGER OF THE CAVALIERS AND THATS WHY WE MAKE ALL KINDS OF WEIRD SHORTSIGHTED MOVES. TRUST ME. KOBY JUST HAS THE TITLE HE ISNT EVEN QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION

  • @stormcards
    @stormcards 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Every team has injuries. I don't want to hear that being used as an excuse. This team just doesn't fit well together and that ultimately falls on the front office. JB was a good coach for laying a solid foundation but was never going to lead us to a championship. He was outcoached consistently last year and we did not play well after the all star break the past 3 years.

    • @thacryinggame
      @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You guys are missing it:
      This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @robgarcia4404
    @robgarcia4404 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like koby Altman talented GM

    • @thacryinggame
      @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You guys are missing it:
      This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

    • @AndrewPolander
      @AndrewPolander 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thacryinggame Its Koby not Dan....He had a stroke 5 years ago...did you forget that?

  • @greatness3928
    @greatness3928 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Time to fire him too

  • @Rerpesentz
    @Rerpesentz 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sign Lebron and Klay, trade out either guard for a 4th star and lets win a ring for the king

  • @tonitesmokinup
    @tonitesmokinup 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I don’t want Koby Altman in charge of the process moving forward. He’s firing the coach he hired. Every end of season press conference he always figures out a way to make it sound like he has another 5 to 7 years to win a championship.

    • @AndrewPolander
      @AndrewPolander 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You are so right...he has been here 7 years..and said that it is only 2 years for this group! What a joke!

    • @sammyttheg412
      @sammyttheg412 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He's been the best cavs gm I can remember

    • @tonitesmokinup
      @tonitesmokinup 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sammyttheg412 that’s not saying much. He lost LeBron James for nothing. He’s like the only GM to lose a superstar for nothing.

    • @AndrewPolander
      @AndrewPolander 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sammyttheg412 Chris Grant was so much better than Koby

    • @relativityventures1878
      @relativityventures1878 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sammyttheg412 Uhhh David Griffin lol?

  • @thatboionyx6375
    @thatboionyx6375 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    JB 🥺

  • @paramjotsandhu86
    @paramjotsandhu86 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If don stays dg def gone he not about to keep listening to this goof

  • @sammyttheg412
    @sammyttheg412 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Koby has done a great job here getting a ton of talent to the team. We do need to make some moves but hes the right guy to do it

    • @AndrewPolander
      @AndrewPolander 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Are you Koby? Or his brother!

    • @thacryinggame
      @thacryinggame 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@AndrewPolanderMust be. Or a casual 😂

  • @AndrewPolander
    @AndrewPolander 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mr. Smug in spin mode...so length and size doesn't matter Koby. Core 4 fine...they will just be making a ton more soon! DM extensioin, Moibley extension, JA extension$$$$$...Last thing...Cavs will not be ranked higher than 6 or 7 entering next season in the East if there are not significant roster fit moves!

    • @sammyttheg412
      @sammyttheg412 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He's not gonna come out and say we are trading dg you guys are stupid

    • @AndrewPolander
      @AndrewPolander 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sammyttheg412 Koby isn't stupid while he plays CYA!

  • @zachanderson1827
    @zachanderson1827 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you JB.
    Please get Zion!

  • @vics7739
    @vics7739 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Altman is delusional and hes not selling me. Garland dribbles too much and turns the ball over besides being a liability on defense. Mobley has not developed and is lost when his back is against the basket. Allen gets bullied by more physical centers and has no heart. The bench is sporadic at best and does not hit the three consistently enough to keep us in games with great teams. If our goal is to be third or fourth place in the Eastern conference, we are built to accomplish that every year for ten more years. Our offensive strategy was pure garbage running pick and roll every play which willnot work against a physical team as Allen has shown weakness against. Garland needs to be traded and we need to find young aggressive bigs that can come in and push back. The bench is the key. Threes and heart.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Gilbert lets clowns run the circus. This is horrible

  • @Zepie
    @Zepie 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If we take him at face value, they literally have no plan.

    • @peacefulwarrior9518
      @peacefulwarrior9518 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Never trust a GM saying things in public. Especially when he has high stakes negotiations coming up. That said no changes sounds bad to me as well.

  • @AndrewPolander
    @AndrewPolander 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Koby has missed on alot of picks!!!! The Sexton(8)...Okoro(5)...Agbaji(14)...Windler(late #1). KPJ the red flag(late#1). Khalifa Flop(early round 2).....just to name a few!!!! MUCH better players available at the time they were picked...unlike when he took Mobley at 3(the obvious pick)

    • @avonbarksdale91
      @avonbarksdale91 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Sexton and agbaji got you Donovan.

    • @AndrewPolander
      @AndrewPolander 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@avonbarksdale91 Markannen and the 5 picks got you DM!

  • @Dennisd1122
    @Dennisd1122 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    2 words "mark Jackson"

  • @ikidd06
    @ikidd06 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Figures Koby love DG soft ass. DG literally got an unforced 10 second violation in 4thQ of a playoff game 🤦🏿 Dude casually plays playoff basketball like he at evening open gym runs. Get Darius outta here!

    • @Altwjde
      @Altwjde 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You keep crying like no one cares 😂

    • @Altwjde
      @Altwjde 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Brah thinks it’s easy to come back and play basketball when you broke your jaw 😂😂😂

    • @ikidd06
      @ikidd06 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Altwjde until next season starts and we're getting knocked off spots and casual in our pace. Can't play the way the Cavs do and make it to the Finals

    • @lavelledavis6474
      @lavelledavis6474 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Chill on dg he was banged up eating food out a straw most of the season

    • @Altwjde
      @Altwjde 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ikidd06it dont even matter no matter what cleveland aint getting another ring😂

  • @IsSkyyyyyyyy9264
    @IsSkyyyyyyyy9264 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think kobe altman is the greatest gm we ever had .

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.

  • @thacryinggame
    @thacryinggame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are missing it:
    This dude is simply just a public mouthpiece for dan gilbert. DAN GILBERT is the one making these horrible roster moves - HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. Its NO COINCEDENCE we stopped making moves once dan had the stroke. Dan gilbert is the one doing all of this. He is exactly like jimmy haslam he is HORRIBLE. We’re screwed.